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Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: Firefox User ()
Date: May 17, 2022 01:06PM

For at least 4 monrhs I've been having trouble reading FXU using the Firefox browser.

I wonder if anyone else is having this problem.


It started one day when Firefox updated to a new version. At first I thought it was just a bug in Firefox. But now I think it might be a problem with the web site.

The problem is that all the pages look wrong. There are no lines between the columns. The alignment is all wrong: rather than tabular layout, it's like everything is centered. And the fonts/faces are weird. The layout and styling is just all messed up!

It makes the site fairly impossible to use.

My workaround until now has been to reload (refresh) the page manually. So when I first open every page, it's messed up. Then I hit reload and it fixes itself.

That workaround stopped working this week with the latest greatest version of Firefox.


*BIG CLUES*

The problem is definitely related to Privacy and Security features in the brower.

Firt of all, the problem started when Firefox made some improvements to the privacy or security in the browser. And when they made further improvements in that area, even my "reload" workaround stopped working!

And here's the big clue. I discovered a new workaround. Instead of opening the page normally, I can open it as a "privcy page". That means that (privacy invading) tracking is blocked, any cookies it accepts are deleted when the page is closed, and it doesn't see any cookies you already had, it doesn't record the page in your History, and so on. It's to make your session more anonymous.

If I "Open in a Private Window", the site works perfectly!

However, I have to log back in every time.


*THEORY*

The layout symptons suggest to me that the problem might be with the Javascript or CSS.

And those parts of a page usually come from a separate file that gets loaded with the HTML.

So there is something wrong with the CSS or JS files.

I have no idea what. But they are what do all the layout that's missing.

So what's the difference between regular windows (doesn't work) and Private windows (does work).

I don't know exactly what Firefox is doing, so this is a little confusing. But here's a wild guess.

The regular windows automatically block a variety of things. For example, certain kinds of cookies. And there are also domain (URL) restrictions to prevent cross-site scripting attacks. However, it does accept normal cookies from the site itself.

The Private window is supposed to be more...umm, private. But maybe it actually accepts tracking cookies (and who knows what else). Because it's going to just throw them all away when the window is closed.

JS and CSS files often come from a third-party site.

Remember, there is also a CDN site standing between us and the actual FXU server. Cloudflare could be injecting Javascript. Or it could be trying to send tracking cookies, and refusing to serve the CSS files unless you accept them. Or something like that.

So there's either (a) misconfiguration on the FXU server (b) bad behavior by a third party site trying to do tracking or (c) Cloudflare screwing it all up. Or some bad combination of those things.

*FINAL*

Most users are probably using browsers that are less strict than Firefox. If you're using Chrome for example, it's all about compromising you!

Anyone else seeing these problems?

Cary is the only person who can do anything about this. I wonder if he will read this thread?

Jesus Christ I hope that drug-addled tech conspiracy lunatic spammer doesn't post in this thread. Please.

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debugging - regular window
Posted by: Firefix User ()
Date: May 17, 2022 01:41PM

I don't know how to interpret all this junk, but here is the debugging output for a REGULAR window.

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index.php
13:33:08.428
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13:33:08.518 Loading failed for the

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debugging - private window
Posted by: Firefox User ()
Date: May 17, 2022 01:46PM

I don't know what all this junk means, here is the debugging output from a PRIVATE window.

This is what it looks like when the site is loading properly and not messed up at all.

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13:26:13.291 InstallTrigger is deprecated and will be removed in the future. invisible.js:1:35506
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Unknown property ‘-moz-border-radius’. Declaration dropped. codemirror.css:244:22

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Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: Firefox User ()
Date: May 17, 2022 01:51PM

So as I guessed, the CSS and JS files are not getting loaded. And there are problems with cookies.

Just what the hell it all means, I dunno.

But I hope Carey can fix the site.

As the other browsers start turning on the stricter controls in the future, they're all going to break the site too.

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: The Tech Guy ()
Date: May 17, 2022 05:18PM

Try logging out and turning you're computer off, then restart the router and turn the computer back on. That should fix it.

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: FirefoxerJW ()
Date: May 17, 2022 07:23PM

The Tech Guy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Try logging out and turning you're computer off,
> then restart the router and turn the computer back
> on. That should fix it.


That doesn't make any sense. Also, I've done that (f0r 0ther reasons) many times over the MONTHS that this has been going on. What's your theory about how cookie problems would be fixed by power cycling anything? I could be wrong, but can you show me where in the logs the problem is and how your suggestion would fix it? Thanks!

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: Brave Browser ()
Date: May 17, 2022 07:52PM

TMI. Use the Brave browser. Problem Solved!

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: E3EDW ()
Date: May 17, 2022 08:25PM

So use Google Chrome or Microsoft Edge.
Problem solved.
You're welcome.

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: Certified Computer Repair ()
Date: May 18, 2022 12:47AM

Microsoft Edge is the recommended browser. Delete Fire-fox and reboot you're system. Refresh the cookies and you should be good too go. Did you upgrade to Windows 11 yet?

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: 3gyjnht64 ()
Date: May 18, 2022 03:19PM

#1 i compiled my own OS and web browser, the web browers was kinda broken but worked with FFU. firefox up until recently has worked with FFU

#2 i often use FFU with firefox on some brand of (linux or bsd)

#3 there are customizations of page type

#4 you fucked up your system installing someting and there's likely 0 ways for you to learn to fix it other than installing fresh on a DIFFERENT PC and seeing if the fresh install works ok with ffu (it does)

#5 NGIX is a crappy redhat webserver stolen from Apache copy lefted

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13:26:13.598 XHRGEThttp://detectportal.firefox.com/canonical.html
[HTTP/1.1 200 OK 9ms]

your using a UK EU binary blob with god knows what eu backdoors

I DARE YOU TO RECOMPILE IT AND GET THE SAME BINARY (they call that reproducability in debian - which has since become ubuntu - which has 0 reproducible binaries)


=================================

13:26:13.011 Cookie “phorum_session_st” has been rejected because it is already expired. css.php
13:26:13.011 Cookie “phorum_session_v5” has been rejected because it is already expired. css.php

you could be having security problems - ie - YOUR FIREWALL or https

(ie, microsoft is made to reject website that doen't use https, but ffu doesn't use https, redhat is a gov funded bitch ibm microsoft - and they may have https only hacks in it)

===================

you do need cookies - your lucky FFU even lets you post if your machine is mishanlding them, because FFU's "anti-spam" relies on it wholey. cary can reconfigure security of FFU with a single click and change what kind it uses, i was told

as far as layout - most web browsers support "layout styles" and CSS are the total crap specification by chinese which do that

THE BOTTOM LINE IS FIREFOX CSS AND FFU WORK - you have a broken installation of firefox

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: 35gy5hj64 ()
Date: May 18, 2022 03:22PM

(they call that reproducability in debian - which has since become ubuntu - which has 0 reproducible binaries) (ubuntu has killed of all APT binaries, has some STREAM store thing, if you want XPDF from the ubuntu stream you have to accept a license from some moron that never contributed to the making of XPDF as "the owner of xpdf" and "who is allowed access to your computer remotely without terms")

Ubuntu killed all of the projects that would let any poor man live. They insured the only path for PCs not to fail was to keep upgrading. IT IS A UK/CHINA DOMINATION MATRIX. a devil.

!!! FUCK UBUNTU, DROP DEAD REDHAT, FUCK ALL OF YOU REALLY !!!

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: 35t5h434 ()
Date: May 18, 2022 03:26PM

you have a broken installation of firefox - maybe whacked xml thing involved - but it COULD BE YOUR FIREWALL or a security issue that blocks some of ffu's "non-secure non-https web traffic"

i had to wait for (upgrade and option changes) to use Edge with FFU. it simply refused to visit the page because "it didn't use https"

MEANWILE - IN LINUX - i had a browser which did not support https. most websites (government big tech) refused to let me browse because i didn't support https - which was another huge thing in the BIG TECH arena - to kill off competitors with the "you don't support v1.3" bullshit

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Re: Firefox Issue With This Site
Posted by: unplug the router ()
Date: May 23, 2022 11:03AM

always works for me

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