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How about 5 screens plus a TV?
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Now that's living.

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WingNut Wrote:
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> A neighbor gave me a second monitor last week. I
> figured it would be cool to try out working with
> two screens, use one for work related shit and
> emails and the other to watch vids, waste time
> here or keep multiple windows open.
>
> So I ordered a VGA splitter thinking I'll slap the
> 2 monitors into that and then my PC will reconize
> them both and all will be awesome. I have WIndows
> 7 and it has an option to detect a second monitor.
> But shit, it's not to be, and I'm not sure if that
> is a problem with the connector or the graphics
> card.
>
> I googling my graphics card and seeing wtf with
> that, but I thought I'd kick it out and see what
> you animals know too.


a) you need a graphics card with a second video output or a second video card. i recommend a new video card with two outputs
b) if you are using CRTs, dump them because they use a TON of power. seriously, they increase the electric bill significantly. a nice flat panel or two will pay for itself in under a year.
c) sorry bro, the splitter is not what you need.

if you would like additional help from me, just PM me.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Yeah. a splitter didn't do it. It just cloned the image onto the other screen and there was no recogntion whatsoever by the PC. No CRTs here, fortunately.

Next step is a graphics card with two ports, I think the one I have now is integrated, so I've got figure that shit out. :(

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I don't have any experience with these as I have multiple outputs on even my years-old backup PC, but they may be easier than adding a video card if you don't know much about what you are doing:

http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-Dual-Display-Adapter/dp/B000JMHXDG

http://www.provantage.com/aluratek-auv200f~7ALUT04P.htm

WingNut Wrote:
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> Yeah. a splitter didn't do it. It just cloned the
> image onto the other screen and there was no
> recogntion whatsoever by the PC. No CRTs here,
> fortunately.
>
> Next step is a graphics card with two ports, I
> think the one I have now is integrated, so I've
> got figure that shit out. :(


Depending on the vendor, the on-board graphic port will still function if you add in a graphics card. I believe HP supports this, but I think for some reason Dell went away from it. Make sure when you put a card in, that you check the bios and tell it to boot from "PCI/PCIe/..." whatever the card slot is first. Some bios will figure this out automatically, but most times that is not the case.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

pgens Wrote:
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> I don't have any experience with these as I have
> multiple outputs on even my years-old backup PC,
> but they may be easier than adding a video card if
> you don't know much about what you are doing:
>
> http://www.amazon.com/USB-2-0-Dual-Display-Adapter
> /dp/B000JMHXDG
>
> http://www.provantage.com/aluratek-auv200f~7ALUT04
> P.htm




This is another move I was looking into. I've found them for about $35 on Ebay. I'm not sure yet if the graphics card will handle it though my OS (windows 7) has the option to recognize 2 monitors.

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yeah. a splitter didn't do it. It just cloned
> the
> > image onto the other screen and there was no
> > recogntion whatsoever by the PC. No CRTs here,
> > fortunately.
> >
> > Next step is a graphics card with two ports, I
> > think the one I have now is integrated, so I've
> > got figure that shit out. :(
>
>
> Depending on the vendor, the on-board graphic port
> will still function if you add in a graphics card.
> I believe HP supports this, but I think for some
> reason Dell went away from it. Make sure when you
> put a card in, that you check the bios and tell it
> to boot from "PCI/PCIe/..." whatever the card slot
> is first. Some bios will figure this out
> automatically, but most times that is not the
> case.









If heard if it is an integrated card it must be shutoff at the BIOS . If I can find a usb to vga adaptor, I think we're going to try this first, because everything else sounds like a hassle.

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WingNut Wrote:
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> This is another move I was looking into. I've
> found them for about $35 on Ebay. I'm not sure yet
> if the graphics card will handle it though my OS
> (windows 7) has the option to recognize 2
> monitors.

What does it have to do with the graphics card already in there? These are basically external graphics cards that hook up via USB. Your current graphics card stays where it is, and Windows 7 sees this other video hardware and uses it for an additional monitor.

Quad-SLI with GTX480s. Better yet, Matrox sells some crap in which you can do this with like 10 monitors.

WingNut Wrote:
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> If heard if it is an integrated card it must be
> shutoff at the BIOS . If I can find a usb to vga
> adaptor, I think we're going to try this first,
> because everything else sounds like a hassle.

It depends on the vendor. Using a USB to VGA is BAD IDEA. Slow, and will probably cause more problem then it is worth. You can get an inexpensive NVIDIA graphics card with dual outputs all over the place. AGP cards with 2 outputs as cheap as $7.99, or $19.99 - Diamond PCIe cards for $20.99, etc.

http://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.phtml?sortby=pricelow&Ntt=&Ntk=&Ntx=&N=4294966938&sht=Any&prt=NewProduct&web_group=

Just depends on what is available on the motherboard. It is very easy to do. Don't do the USB though unless it is a last resort.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I think my move is going to be to get one of these USB to VGA adaptors. My graphics card is integrated and I'll have to fuck with the BIOS which is something I've never done. I may consider a new card of the adaptor gives me problems.

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WingNut Wrote:
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> I think my move is going to be to get one of these
> USB to VGA adaptors. My graphics card is
> integrated and I'll have to fuck with the BIOS
> which is something I've never done. I may consider
> a new card of the adaptor gives me problems.

WingNut - seriously - just get the card. The USB adapter will likely be the worst choice, and then you will still end up spending money and time to do it the other way.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

i'm trying to find one that I can return if I don't like it.

Do you know the steps for disabling the other card at the BIOS?

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> i'm trying to find one that I can return if I
> don't like it.
>
> Do you know the steps for disabling the other card
> at the BIOS?

Depends on the BIOS - usually it is under the advanced settings, or peripheral devices. And it can be something like "Initialize Video Device First" with options like integrated, PCI, AGP, etc. In most cases, if it is going to need to be disabled, in the newer BIOS, it will do it automatically. The times it makes a difference is when it leaves the integrated video on, and it wants you to prioritize the device that should be the primary video device.

It usually is not hard though.

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Gravis Wrote:
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> b) if you are using CRTs, dump them because they
> use a TON of power. seriously, they increase the
> electric bill significantly. a nice flat panel or
> two will pay for itself in under a year.
>




a "nice" flat panel would cost around 200 bucks so unless your CRT is using $20 of electricity a month its gonna take quite a while to "pay for itself"

wavy gravis Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
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> -----
>
> > b) if you are using CRTs, dump them because
> they
> > use a TON of power. seriously, they increase
> the
> > electric bill significantly. a nice flat panel
> or
> > two will pay for itself in under a year.
> >
>
>
>
>
> a "nice" flat panel would cost around 200 bucks so
> unless your CRT is using $20 of electricity a
> month its gonna take quite a while to "pay for
> itself"

These Acer monitors (I use them all the time - they are very good) are just fine.

20" Widescreen Acer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009218

$119 w/free shipping

http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category=19&name=Monitors

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> wavy gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > b) if you are using CRTs, dump them because
> > they
> > > use a TON of power. seriously, they increase
> > the
> > > electric bill significantly. a nice flat
> panel
> > or
> > > two will pay for itself in under a year.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > a "nice" flat panel would cost around 200 bucks
> so
> > unless your CRT is using $20 of electricity a
> > month its gonna take quite a while to "pay for
> > itself"
>
> These Acer monitors (I use them all the time -
> they are very good) are just fine.
>
> 20" Widescreen Acer
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N8
> 2E16824009218
>
> $119 w/free shipping
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Store/Category.aspx?Category
> =19&name=Monitors


a crt averages 80 watts. an lcd averages 25 watts

a difference of 55 watts or $2 a month if the monitors are on 24/7.

Gravis Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > A neighbor gave me a second monitor last week.
> I
> > figured it would be cool to try out working
> with
> > two screens, use one for work related shit and
> > emails and the other to watch vids, waste time
> > here or keep multiple windows open.
> >
> > So I ordered a VGA splitter thinking I'll slap
> the
> > 2 monitors into that and then my PC will
> reconize
> > them both and all will be awesome. I have
> WIndows
> > 7 and it has an option to detect a second
> monitor.
> > But shit, it's not to be, and I'm not sure if
> that
> > is a problem with the connector or the graphics
> > card.
> >
> > I googling my graphics card and seeing wtf with
> > that, but I thought I'd kick it out and see
> what
> > you animals know too.
>
>
> a) you need a graphics card with a second video
> output or a second video card. i recommend a new
> video card with two outputs
> b) if you are using CRTs, dump them because they
> use a TON of power. seriously, they increase the
> electric bill significantly. a nice flat panel or
> two will pay for itself in under a year.
> c) sorry bro, the splitter is not what you need.
>
> if you would like additional help from me, just PM
> me.


Will an HDMI output port in the CPU, get the job done?

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Be sure to let us know how it goes, this sounds like a cool set-up.

I mostly use my laptop, so I have a built-in HDMI port and I hooked it up to the Vizio once. It was amazing how well it worked, but it's all built into the laptop. I'm guessing that you have a tower?

I have an "Old" laptop which died only a year after I bought it, and while the CPU and Biometric Scanner still work, the monitor is completely dead. It doesn't have an HDMI port, but I'm hoping that I can still use my Vizio as a monitor for it (With the VGA 15 pin connector), so I can finally retrieve my three + year old files. I tried it once on a regular CPU monitor, but that didn't do jack.

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Video playback is usually where the USB adapters fall short, so watch your quality smut on the monitor driven by the video card.

pgens Wrote:
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> Video playback is usually where the USB adapters
> fall short, so watch your quality smut on the
> monitor driven by the video card.

I thought of that already. The splitter is going onto the VGA port and the VGA cable through the wall to my back BR flat screen. I'm going to have to experiment to see what works best, but I think I'll be using the 19" for the videos (in the office) and the 17 for emails, databases,folders etc.

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Yeah, I was looking at some of those USB to VGA adapters today. Another important point is available RAM in your PC. Those devices don't appear to have their own memory, and instead rely on the memory of your PC to manage the processed the video for them. For most Windows installations now you would want at least 1GB of RAM in the machine to function normally, and up to 4GB (assuming 32 bit Windows). You would want between 1GB-2GB assuming you have no other major programs running on your PC regularly to support the USB to VGA device. The more RAM the better and 1GB is really below minimum in most cases.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I updgraded to 4g RAM about a month ago so I'm covered in that regard. I am dying to see how this works out.

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you can plug a comp into any modern lcd or plazma tv.

a 50 inch screen is the size of 4 regular monitors.

you could leave as many windows open as you wanted.

WingNut Wrote:
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> I just got my dual screens running about an hour
> ago, it is great. RV you are right about the
> picture quality with a USB adaptor, but it's not
> something I can't live with.I use the second
> screen for files and email and stuff that doesn't
> have a lot of graphics. I really like having more
> workspace.
>
> It cost me about $40 for the adaptor and I got the
> second monitor free so it's a deal I couldn't
> beat. Don't know if the productivity will go up as
> much as it will be much easier and enjoyable not
> having to open windows constantly to look at
> stuff.

Just as a side note - you did see in the microcenter link I had - you could get a cheap PCIe card to $25 or less - if it was AGP even lower. They had a sale on - I went over and got some PCI cards (for machines with embedded graphics that have no PCIe slot) for $27 I think it was. The AGP ones were $35 I believe. They are nvidia 8400 series (which isn't bad for most basic apps and many games even today) and easily run two monitors with 512MB RAM on-board. So if you find you want to see if it could be better - that would be the way to go.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

I really wanted to do the new graphics card, but I was unsure aboutshuttong it off at startup or the bios. I'm a little disappointed my system didn't come with an extra graphics port of some form. But it's 2 years old.

I'm pretty happy with what I have now, two screens make sthings a lot easier. Now I am going to take this stupid splitter I got and run VGA through the wall into my back BR, split the picture from the VGA port and do Netflix and all that from my pc.


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I just got my dual screens running about an
> hour
> > ago, it is great. RV you are right about the
> > picture quality with a USB adaptor, but it's
> not
> > something I can't live with.I use the second
> > screen for files and email and stuff that
> doesn't
> > have a lot of graphics. I really like having
> more
> > workspace.
> >
> > It cost me about $40 for the adaptor and I got
> the
> > second monitor free so it's a deal I couldn't
> > beat. Don't know if the productivity will go up
> as
> > much as it will be much easier and enjoyable
> not
> > having to open windows constantly to look at
> > stuff.
>
> Just as a side note - you did see in the
> microcenter link I had - you could get a cheap
> PCIe card to $25 or less - if it was AGP even
> lower. They had a sale on - I went over and got
> some PCI cards (for machines with embedded
> graphics that have no PCIe slot) for $27 I think
> it was. The AGP ones were $35 I believe. They are
> nvidia 8400 series (which isn't bad for most basic
> apps and many games even today) and easily run two
> monitors with 512MB RAM on-board. So if you find
> you want to see if it could be better - that would
> be the way to go.

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Just as a side note - you did see in the
> microcenter link I had - you could get a cheap
> PCIe card to $25 or less - if it was AGP even
> lower.
> So if you find
> you want to see if it could be better - that would
> be the way to go.

fuck man let it go, he didn't go with your opinion and he's still happy. be happy he's happy, grow up

justsayin Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Just as a side note - you did see in the
> > microcenter link I had - you could get a cheap
> > PCIe card to $25 or less - if it was AGP even
> > lower.
> > So if you find
> > you want to see if it could be better - that
> would
> > be the way to go.
>
> fuck man let it go, he didn't go with your opinion
> and he's still happy. be happy he's happy, grow
> up

Fuck man - stfu.

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wavy gravis Wrote:
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> a crt averages 80 watts. an lcd averages 25 watts
>
> a difference of 55 watts or $2 a month if the
> monitors are on 24/7.

those are modern monitors which makes a big difference. if it's on the shitty end of the spectrum, it will cost a shitload per year.

these are new models of LCD. just think about what the old CRT ones are like: http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/monitor-comparison-chart/?tag=contentBody;nextPage


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