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Question about question 11E
Posted by: Old Armed Hippie ()
Date: April 08, 2021 09:38AM

Every time marijuana comes up on this board, one (or more) persons brings up question 11e on the fed firearms background check about marijuana use. Virginia legalizing weed yesterday raises two questions about 11e. Hoping someone here can help.

First, what would be the scenario where the feds would take the slightest interest in whether a person lied about this?

Second, how many people in the last ten years have been prosecuted for lying on this question?

Thanks in advance

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: well... ()
Date: April 08, 2021 09:44AM

we know Hunter Biden lied about on the 4473, this after going to rehab in excess of 70 fukin times. Then, after he had "misplaced" his handgun in a trash can across the street from a school, the fed gov tried to conceal the fact that Hunter bought a gun by going to the dealer and confiscating the paperwork.

This is known as democrat privilege.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: personally ()
Date: April 08, 2021 09:58AM

I've forgotten how many times I've filled out that form, but I never lied on it. Way back when, pretty much the day I turned 18, I was given a shotgun, even though I did smoke a bit of weed on the weekends. But I gave up weed several years before I started buying guns on my own.

Odd how all my guns combined have killed fewer people than Ted kenndys car. Thanks to libtard logic, we know it was the actual car that murdered Mary Jo and not Ted.



Why don't libshits go after car manufacturers when an illegal alien murders two nuns in a hit and run while drunk at 07:00 on a Sunday?

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: questionerer of things ()
Date: April 08, 2021 10:02AM

Why do liberal retards(redundant) want everyone stoned and defenseless??

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: not a lawyer ()
Date: April 08, 2021 10:23AM

So you like to post and respond to yourself? That is so nice, I bet it keeps you busy!

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Old Armed Hippie ()
Date: April 08, 2021 10:27AM

Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately, my questions were not addressed. I will re-phrase.

My concern is about whether 11e has any practical consequences, or is it just another government boondoggle. I am hard pressed to see how the government could possibly prove that one was a user AT THE TIME they filled out the form. Or maybe even for some period of time before they did. Because if you buy the gun first, and then immediately go smoke some pot (for the first time), you have not lied on the form.

I've already got mine, obtained legally without the need for a background check, so I don't really give a shit. But (at least) one person on this board seems to think 11e is a big deal. Do the feds prosecute these violations? And if they do, what circumstances would cause them to go after a person for lying on 11e. My guess is that 11e is a by product of a long gone era, and that it is essentially meaningless. But I would like to hear other opinions.

Thanks

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: addressed ()
Date: April 08, 2021 10:44AM

Question 11e asks: Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? If you check yes you will not be allowed to purchase a gun.

Note the word "stimulant". If you drink coffee every day you are using a "stimulant". There are currently over 90 people in federal prison who were caught by the BATF drinking coffee every day. If they are locking people up for coffee then you know they are locking them up for cigarettes and weed too! One guy got busted in the drive-thru at Starbucks, he got 4 years!

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: there is no short answer ()
Date: April 08, 2021 11:04AM

Old Armed Hippie Wrote:
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> Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately, my
> questions were not addressed. I will re-phrase.
>
> My concern is about whether 11e has any practical
> consequences, or is it just another government
> boondoggle. I am hard pressed to see how the
> government could possibly prove that one was a
> user AT THE TIME they filled out the form. Or
> maybe even for some period of time before they
> did. Because if you buy the gun first, and then
> immediately go smoke some pot (for the first
> time), you have not lied on the form.
>
> I've already got mine, obtained legally without
> the need for a background check, so I don't really
> give a shit. But (at least) one person on this
> board seems to think 11e is a big deal. Do the
> feds prosecute these violations? And if they do,
> what circumstances would cause them to go after a
> person for lying on 11e. My guess is that 11e is
> a by product of a long gone era, and that it is
> essentially meaningless. But I would like to hear
> other opinions.
>
> Thanks

The law is, it is a federal crime, i.e. a fellony, to lie on a 4473. No excuses.

I have a friend that has worked at a gun store for about 25 years. It was an issue when I lived closer to that store as I became a very good customer. A few years ago I was in there one day when the state cops came in to investigate someone who lied on the 4473. I knew the law, which we'd talked about many times as I'd heard them(the shop) giving not entirely accurate information to customers. So I asked, how many people get caught lying per year and how many get investigated. He said 10-15 people get caught lying during the NICS check, less than 3 got police follow up.

Right after sandy hook, a real reporter got to dementia joe and pointed out there were at the time about 22,000 gun laws in this country. That number has been reduced some by eliminating duplicate laws. Dementia joes response to that was, and I quote.. "we can't afford to enforce all those laws but we need another law". This is the intelengnce level of your average liberal retard(redundant).

Years ago I researched it and there are a handful of fellonys one can get and not effect their 2A or voting rights. It's been awhile, I don't remember what they were. I do believe not all fellonys should count, number one. Number two, after someone serves their time and "pays their debt", shouldn't they get all their rights back, for the more minor stuff?

As noted above, I smoked just a tad bit of weed when I was younger. I've also been a gun owner and hunter pretty much since the day I turned 18. But I never did anything stronger than weed, I don't buy this bullshit that it's a gateway drug, but it can easily be abused. Back then no one blinked at a full gun rack in a pickup in Fairfax county. The only thing that's really changed around here is the influx of libtards, as they flee all the shitholes they've already created.

and there's quite few more houses now

But, always a butt, there is a short answer. If we enforce the laws we already have %90 of our problems would go away. The libtard solution is to create more laws that only effect those already obeying the law.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: jus sayin ()
Date: April 08, 2021 11:11AM

Guilani turned NYC around by using the Broken Window Policy. That is enforcing all the petty shit that leads to more corrupt/violent shit. The policy works. But the libshit solution is the exact opposit.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Not that I don't believe you ()
Date: April 08, 2021 04:55PM

addressed Wrote:
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>
>
> There are
> currently over 90 people in federal prison who
> were caught by the BATF drinking coffee every day.
>


There is a more than a whiff of bullshit in the air here. You would not happen to have a source for this nugget of information, would you?

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Phil McCrackin ()
Date: April 08, 2021 05:49PM

OP is a retard that will not stop asking this stupid fucking question.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: meh.. ()
Date: April 08, 2021 06:04PM

Phil McCrackin Wrote:
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> OP is a retard that will not stop asking this
> stupid fucking question.


I suppose it's possible. But I don't get the impression it's the same asswipe
that been buying a vehicle for the past 10 years.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: See this ()
Date: April 08, 2021 06:35PM

You all might want to look at the updated version of the 4473 form.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearms-transaction-record-revisions

The question concerning drugs and usage is now 21e which states the following:

"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside."

So buy your guns now and smoke later.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: yea,.. ()
Date: April 08, 2021 06:53PM

See this Wrote:
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> You all might want to look at the updated version
> of the 4473 form.
>
> https://www.atf.gov/firearms/atf-form-4473-firearm
> s-transaction-record-revisions
>
> The question concerning drugs and usage is now 21e
> which states the following:
>
> "Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to,
> marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic
> drug, or any other controlled substance?Warning:
> The use or possession of marijuana remains
> unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether
> it has been legalized or decriminalized for
> medicinal or recreational purposes in the state
> where you reside."
>
> So buy your guns now and smoke later.

like I keep saying, not one of these libtards has ever attempted to fill out a 4473, much less look up what the questions are. But they keep shitposting lies about who can buy a gun where.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: The last word ()
Date: April 08, 2021 08:01PM

Question 11e, or whatever number it is now, is a form of gun control.

Resist!

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Lifetime NRA member ()
Date: June 07, 2023 07:40AM

It is probably best to skip background check completly. If you want a gun just go to a gun show and ask the dealers for a "cash sale". The gun might cost a little more but what the heck.
The whole reason these gun shows exist is for these under the table deals. It is a big scam.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Answer for OP ()
Date: June 07, 2023 08:31AM

Bottom line, it would be very difficult for federal prosecutors to make a case. And prosecutors know that, so they are only going to even consider it when they want somebody for other things (perhaps like Hunter Biden). Even then, you would have to be pretty dumb, like buying a gun the day you check yourself into rehab, to be in any real danger. And even with that, you would have to do something else dumb to draw attention to yourself to start an investigation.

Not saying whether this is a good or bad thing, but 11E is about as worthless as a gun free zone.

Here is an older article on the topic. Given relaxing attitudes about weed, I doubt the feds have become any more aggressive since it was written

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/11/lying-buy-gun-fear-not-feds/

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Jeep driver ()
Date: June 07, 2023 08:38AM

Lifetime NRA member Wrote:
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> It is probably best to skip background check
> completly. If you want a gun just go to a gun show
> and ask the dealers for a "cash sale". The gun
> might cost a little more but what the heck.
> The whole reason these gun shows exist is for
> these under the table deals. It is a big scam.

I know it happens all the time but it is illegal to buy a gun that way. You would be better off lying on the question than you would buying at a gun show under the table.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: non-issue ()
Date: June 07, 2023 03:05PM

Old Armed Hippie Wrote:
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> Every time marijuana comes up on this board, one
> (or more) persons brings up question 11e on the
> fed firearms background check about marijuana use.
> Virginia legalizing weed yesterday raises two
> questions about 11e. Hoping someone here can
> help.
>
> First, what would be the scenario where the feds
> would take the slightest interest in whether a
> person lied about this?
>
> Second, how many people in the last ten years have
> been prosecuted for lying on this question?
>
> Thanks in advance

11e was used by prosecutors only twice in the last 20 years. Both those cases ended up being dismissed.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Sully Police Killers Father ()
Date: June 07, 2023 04:25PM

Lied on 11e about his use of weed , when cops looked in his house with a warrant after his son killed two Fairfax Co officers in cold blood they found weed residue in his ashtray

The feds were brought in snd he ended up in federal prison for his lie showing that when things go wrong and you use weed and possess a firearm you too will go down

Today its been question 21 e for some time

Choose one your weed or guns only you can not have both legally

Its so weak hypocritical and chicken that Democrats never tell you this they just suck you into legal weed for your votes as they try to take your gun rights away

You may not like the message but the messenger is honest not chicken with you I care less about weed or your use of it as I have no use for it I just dont want young people under age 18 to get into it and I dont want Democrats getting votes for it while they oppress our rights

Who is the honest ones here ! Its never the Democrats

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: yup sure ok whatever ()
Date: June 07, 2023 04:32PM

Sully Police Killers Father Wrote:
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> Lied on 11e about his use of weed , when cops
> looked in his house with a warrant after his son
> killed two Fairfax Co officers in cold blood they
> found weed residue in his ashtray
>
> The feds were brought in snd he ended up in
> federal prison for his lie showing that when
> things go wrong and you use weed and possess a
> firearm you too will go down
>
> Today its been question 21 e for some time
>
> Choose one your weed or guns only you can not have
> both legally
>
> Its so weak hypocritical and chicken that
> Democrats never tell you this they just suck you
> into legal weed for your votes as they try to take
> your gun rights away
>
> You may not like the message but the messenger is
> honest not chicken with you I care less about weed
> or your use of it as I have no use for it I just
> dont want young people under age 18 to get into it
> and I dont want Democrats getting votes for it
> while they oppress our rights
>
> Who is the honest ones here ! Its never the
> Democrats

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: Post Why Im Wrong ()
Date: June 07, 2023 05:47PM

Other wise its just another far leftist with nothing posting BS lies thinking they are scoring votes for Dems !

Democrats never mention question 21 E All they do is smile and tell people "Were giving your weed"

Yes weed with very high taxation to keep the pusher man in his deadly job

And not a word about the troubles 21E can bring you

Lets see if he can post to see what a another marijuana soaked brain has to say

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: josey wales ()
Date: June 08, 2023 05:11AM

Sully Police Killers Father Wrote:
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> Lied on 11e about his use of weed , when cops
> looked in his house with a warrant after his son
> killed two Fairfax Co officers in cold blood they
> found weed residue in his ashtray
>
> The feds were brought in snd he ended up in
> federal prison for his lie showing that when
> things go wrong and you use weed and possess a
> firearm you too will go down
>
> Today its been question 21 e for some time
>
> Choose one your weed or guns only you can not have
> both legally
>
> Its so weak hypocritical and chicken that
> Democrats never tell you this they just suck you
> into legal weed for your votes as they try to take
> your gun rights away
>
> You may not like the message but the messenger is
> honest not chicken with you I care less about weed
> or your use of it as I have no use for it I just
> dont want young people under age 18 to get into it
> and I dont want Democrats getting votes for it
> while they oppress our rights
>
> Who is the honest ones here ! Its never the
> Democrats

Yeah so the Sully shooters Dad caught a case over 11e but he ended up taking a plea deal anyway so the 11e thing was never tested at trial. The whole 11e or 21e thing is just bullshit. Smoke that weed and buy those guns.

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: party. on ()
Date: June 08, 2023 10:04PM

josey wales Wrote:
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> Sully Police Killers Father Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lied on 11e about his use of weed , when cops
> > looked in his house with a warrant after his
> son
> > killed two Fairfax Co officers in cold blood
> they
> > found weed residue in his ashtray
> >
> > The feds were brought in snd he ended up in
> > federal prison for his lie showing that when
> > things go wrong and you use weed and possess a
> > firearm you too will go down
> >
> > Today its been question 21 e for some time
> >
> > Choose one your weed or guns only you can not
> have
> > both legally
> >
> > Its so weak hypocritical and chicken that
> > Democrats never tell you this they just suck
> you
> > into legal weed for your votes as they try to
> take
> > your gun rights away
> >
> > You may not like the message but the messenger
> is
> > honest not chicken with you I care less about
> weed
> > or your use of it as I have no use for it I
> just
> > dont want young people under age 18 to get into
> it
> > and I dont want Democrats getting votes for it
> > while they oppress our rights
> >
> > Who is the honest ones here ! Its never the
> > Democrats
>
> Yeah so the Sully shooters Dad caught a case over
> 11e but he ended up taking a plea deal anyway so
> the 11e thing was never tested at trial. The whole
> 11e or 21e thing is just bullshit. Smoke that weed
> and buy those guns.


lets get fucked up!!

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: WEED LEECH ()
Date: June 08, 2023 10:25PM

I always trust the words of other weed leeches weed soaked brains when it comes to guns and weed , that's why Im a homeless WEED LEECH

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Re: Question about question 11E
Posted by: why bother? ()
Date: June 13, 2023 06:13AM

It is so easy to get a gun at the gun show without a background check. People have made a bunch of youtube vids on how to do it.

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