http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/06/city_officer_shoots_man_after.html

Off-duty Baltimore cop gets into an argument at a bar and winds up shooting a guy six times in the chest. He refuses to take a breathylizer test, and gets placed on "desk duty" while the cops try to figure out just what in the heck happened. Back in the 90s, this same cop was in trouble for shooting someone in the back.

Drinking and carrying a gun is never a good idea. It is disturbing that he is on desk duty. Sounds like means he is in contact with the public on a limited basis but still carrying a gun. Wouldnt on leave with pay be a better alternative?

Tim45 Wrote:
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> Drinking and carrying a gun is never a good idea.

You're right.

It's an AWESOME idea.

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Maybe he can get a job at BART...



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Tim45 Wrote:
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> Wouldnt on leave with pay be a better alternative?

You'd think that someone who just fired a gun 13 times outside a bar, killing someone in the process, would be asked to stay home and chill the fuck out for a few weeks.

I think it's disturbing that cops are allowed to refuse a breathylizer test. If a citizen shot someone, would he be allowed to refuse a breath test? I seriously doubt it.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/06/2010 01:11PM by TheMeeper.

A lot of employers can request as part of your employment that you take a drug/alcohol test when you are involved in an accident. I would hope the police would require this as well especially with a gun being discharged.

Of course they wont hold him down and make him take it but upon refusal you should be terminated from employment. It would help if the police departments had as a rule if you are consuming alcohol then you cannot carry a gun. Its just common sense.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Tim45 Wrote:
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> >
> > Wouldnt on leave with pay be a better
> alternative?
>
> You'd think that someone who just fired a gun 13
> times outside a bar, killing someone in the
> process, would be asked to stay home and chill the
> fuck out for a few weeks.
>
> I think it's disturbing that cops are allowed to
> refuse a breathylizer test. If a citizen shot
> someone, would he be allowed to refuse a breath
> test? I seriously doubt it.


Actually, Meep, anyone in VA can refuse a breathalyzer. However, I am under the impression that bus drivers (etc.) are required to do so ( in addition to random drug screening) as condition of employment and/or employer/union agreement; I believe cops don't have to because they have the strongest and largest unions around.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/20
> 10/06/city_officer_shoots_man_after.html
>
> Off-duty Baltimore cop gets into an argument at a
> bar and winds up shooting a guy six times in the
> chest. He refuses to take a breathylizer test,
> and gets placed on "desk duty" while the cops try
> to figure out just what in the heck happened.
> Back in the 90s, this same cop was in trouble for
> shooting someone in the back.

It's Baltimore. What else could you expect?

foolio Wrote:
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>
> Actually, Meep, anyone in VA can refuse a
> breathalyzer. However, I am under the impression
> that bus drivers (etc.) are required to do so ( in
> addition to random drug screening) as condition of
> employment and/or employer/union agreement; I
> believe cops don't have to because they have the
> strongest and largest unions around.



foolio,

isn't that a crime itself, refusing a breathalyzer? I'm pretty sure it makes you look even more guilty when you face a judge also...

Anyways, this is Maryland we are talking about, their laws are waaaaay different to ours.

Tyrone Brown grew up in East Baltimore and graduated in 1994 from what was then Southern High School, where he played lacrosse and football. He went on to serve eight years in the Marines, half of them in Iraq. He was there from 2001 to 2005, said his mother, Vivian Scott.

"His company was one of the first that went into Fallujah," she said, adding that her son was reluctant to talk about his experiences. The aftereffects of the war took a toll on his marriage, his mother said, and he separated from his wife and moved back home with his mother. She eventually convinced him to seek counseling through Veterans Affairs and he was trying to reconcile with his wife, Scott said. He had no criminal record but for a 5-year-old charge, eventually dropped, for possessing an open container of alcohol in public.

Brown's sister, Chantay Kangalee, 30, of Baltimore County, said her brother put his hands on the behind of one of the women with the officer, Gahiji A. Tshamba. "He was just joking," Kangalee said. "That was just my brother's sense of humor. I said, 'Stop that.' "

The woman he had grabbed also spoke up, Kangalee said: "She said, 'Don't do that. That's disrespectful.' He said, 'My bad.' And then we were about to turn and go to the car and she walked up and swung at him."

Then the officer stepped up, she said.

"The guy pulled out his gun and he said, 'Do it again. Do it again,' " Kangalee said. " 'Now get on the ground.' "

Kangalee said Brown put his hands in the air and started backing up, saying, " ‘Wait a minute. Hold up.’ " And then the officer started shooting, Kangalee said.

What happened next is not in dispute — the officer pulled out his department-issued Glock handgun and fired at the unarmed Brown 13 times from just a few feet away.

Brown, struck at 1:30 a.m. by six bullets in the chest and groin, fell to the pavement and died 45 minutes later at Maryland Shock Trauma Center.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-police-shooting-club-20100605,0,806075.story

I think Baltimore police need to re-consider having their policemen carry around their service weapons off-duty. Clearly, some can't handle that responsibility. Here is a case where a Baltimore officer pulled his pistol out inside a Haunted House.

http://www.wbaltv.com/news/21430106/detail.html





Hopefully, with the new Virginia law passed that concealed handguns can be taken in bars, we won't see cases like this.



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foolio Wrote:
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> Actually, Meep, anyone in VA can refuse a
> breathalyzer.

I know you can refuse one if you're suspected of DUI, but can you refuse one if you're arrested for homicide?

That angers me even more about the shooting, considering that the guy is a Veteran. I'm not saying that a Marine, or a Vet for that matter, can't do any wrong, but it simply sounded like he was a little tipsy and goofing around in an inappropriate manner. That might warrant a good pop to the jaw, but not shooting the guy dead. I couldn't shoot someone for something like that, never. If the guy apologized and left (Or if he apologized, and I could tell that he was inebriated), I might not even hit him.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Sometimes justice does happen:

Baltimore Police have been searching for Tshamba, a 15-year- veteran of the police force, for the past week and an arrest warrant was issued Friday at 6pm.

Detectives believe Tshamba is attempting to avoid capture and may have possibly left Baltimore. He faces first-degree murder charges.

James Oakes Wrote:
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> Then the officer stepped up, she said.
>
> "The guy pulled out his gun and he said, 'Do it
> again. Do it again,' " Kangalee said. " 'Now get
> on the ground.' "
>
> Kangalee said Brown put his hands in the air and
> started backing up, saying, " ‘Wait a minute. Hold
> up.’ " And then the officer started shooting,
> Kangalee said.
>
> What happened next is not in dispute — the officer
> pulled out his department-issued Glock handgun and
> fired at the unarmed Brown 13 times from just a
> few feet away.
>
> Brown, struck at 1:30 a.m. by six bullets in the
> chest and groin, fell to the pavement and died 45
> minutes later at Maryland Shock Trauma Center.
>
> http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/bs-md-po
> lice-shooting-club-20100605,0,806075.story


Jesus Christ that's fucked up.

There was an interesting debate with the new restaurant concealed carry rules. Conceal carry with a permit will be allowed in places with on-premises alcohol consumption (restaurants) July 1, and the carrier cannot drink if carrying concealed. But the law says law enforcement, and (I think) commonwealth attorneys can drink while carrying concealed.

This story points out that cops are no safer drinking while carrying concealed than anyone else. As an aside this should also answer those that say "only police should have guns."

I can see an "undercover official duty" exemption, but there is none that I am aware of. Guns and alcohol definitely don't mix, though I believe it is perfectly fine for someone to carry in a restaurant if they aren't drinking.

And what is it with Baltimore cops? This story, the fucknut that was dicking around with the skater boy... FCPD, as much as the window-tiners like to complain about them, usually doesn't have those stories. Mishandled shootings and episodes of force yes, but I don't recall stories like Baltimore's related to FCPD.