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Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 09:53AM

The dome didn't work. The top hat didn't work. Shooting it full of mud and garbage didn't work. Robots with diamond-bladed saws didn't work. Now, giant gardening shears are going to be deployed:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100603/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_939

What about... a giant cork? Or dropping a big-ass rock on it to smash the end of the pipe closed? Or harsh language?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Eli ()
Date: June 03, 2010 09:59AM

what about Conie's twat?... that thing is so loose that it will hoover up anything.


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:04AM

I think we should look to the Lord and pray to Jesus to stop the oil. Never underestimate the power of faith.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:10AM

Minivans...dump as many as we can on top of the pipe.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:37AM

Bars Leak?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:38AM

Realistically? The relief wells. In August.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:38AM

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:52AM

Seriously, what's wrong with the idea of blowing it up? Even if we don't use a nuke for fear of contamination, what about a MOAB?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:56AM

Send fake Spunky down there to bore it into submission.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 03, 2010 11:07AM

I had originally wondered why they didn't make a long tube, with an inflatable bladder attached to the end (deflated and inside the tube). Insert the tube into the pipe, and then they inject the bladder with the cement mixture to expand and fill the pipe. The bladder could have had rough aggregate embedded in the surface, or they could use the robots to drill through the pipe and insert cross rods so that the inflated bladder would be held by those when the pressure was trying to push it out.

I know some girl with a PhD suggested something similar to this recently - but this was weeks ago when I was pondering this.

Not knowing much about the pressure issues though, it was purely idle speculation.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 03, 2010 11:08AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Seriously, what's wrong with the idea of blowing
> it up? Even if we don't use a nuke for fear of
> contamination, what about a MOAB?

There is concern that the rock floor under the sea bed is compromised - if they set off a large explosive device, instead of sealing the well, they could rupture the entire containment of the oil and even more would be released.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/03/2010 11:08AM by Registered Voter.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:24PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> There is concern that the rock floor under the sea
> bed is compromised - if they set off a large
> explosive device, instead of sealing the well,
> they could rupture the entire containment of the
> oil and even more would be released.





It would be the underwater version of Centralia PA or the Gates of Hell in Turkmenistan. Fire/explosions at a source of fossil fuel can have decades long repercussions.

Amateur Geologist Eesh signing off.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:40PM

Supposedly, another concern about just plugging it up is that pressure could continue to build and then cause a bigger rupture.

I posted this in a previous thread, but it's relevant to MrMephisto's question.



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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:42PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Seriously, what's wrong with the idea of
> blowing
> > it up? Even if we don't use a nuke for fear of
> > contamination, what about a MOAB?
>
> There is concern that the rock floor under the sea
> bed is compromised - if they set off a large
> explosive device, instead of sealing the well,
> they could rupture the entire containment of the
> oil and even more would be released.

So, dumb question... what's causing the pressure of the oil currently gushing out? I know high pressure moves to low pressure, but what's preventing all of these undersea deposits from exploding to begin with?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: mr pelosi ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:44PM

My guess is if all the campaign promises from the democrats were collected and stuffed into the pipe , it would hold the oil back.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:49PM

mr pelosi Wrote:
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> My guess is if all the campaign promises from the
> democrats were collected and stuffed into the pipe
> , it would hold the oil back.


But all of the hot air and lies in those would blow the well open even more. PLEASE ALL BP EMPLOYEES AND GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS READING THIS DO NOT DO WHAT MR PELOSI SUGGESTS. We do not need any more damage from the demokrats, they have taken enough money from big oil (especially BP) to buy Obama's presidency and gross leniency in this matter.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:52PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Seriously, what's wrong with the idea of
> > blowing
> > > it up? Even if we don't use a nuke for fear
> of
> > > contamination, what about a MOAB?
> >
> > There is concern that the rock floor under the
> sea
> > bed is compromised - if they set off a large
> > explosive device, instead of sealing the well,
> > they could rupture the entire containment of
> the
> > oil and even more would be released.
>
> So, dumb question... what's causing the pressure
> of the oil currently gushing out? I know high
> pressure moves to low pressure, but what's
> preventing all of these undersea deposits from
> exploding to begin with?


EDIT: I misread your question. Numbers' answer is pretty close to being right...imagine a layer of dead organics that over millions and millions of years gets layer upon layer of mud/sediment piled on top of it. The pressure from the overlaid rocks/sediment is one of the ingredients needed to turn that organic crap into oil. Then the sediment hardens (due to the pressure) into rock, which acts like a cap. There are many places in the earth where oil, natural gase, methane, etc. follow fissures up to the surface and leak out...but normally it's a very, very, very small amount - barely noticeable.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:53PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> So, dumb question... what's causing the pressure
> of the oil currently gushing out? I know high
> pressure moves to low pressure, but what's
> preventing all of these undersea deposits from
> exploding to begin with?


The Earths crust is what contains the vast energy contained within the core. The crust gets thicker over time as it cools. However, energy imprisoned will make itself free in whatever way possible, such as volcanoes. Oil is part of the Earths crust and consists of highly compressed matter like dead bodies, trees and other organic stuff.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: SomeGuy ()
Date: June 03, 2010 12:57PM

I say send Bruce Willis and his elite oil rig team to fix it. They saved us before.

All I know is Robots with circular saws are pretty cool to watch.

http://www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/globalbp/globalbp_uk_english/incident_response/STAGING/local_assets/html/OceanInterventionROV2.html

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 01:00PM

Numbers Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > So, dumb question... what's causing the
> pressure
> > of the oil currently gushing out? I know high
> > pressure moves to low pressure, but what's
> > preventing all of these undersea deposits from
> > exploding to begin with?
>
>
> The Earths crust is what contains the vast energy
> contained within the core. The crust gets thicker
> over time as it cools. However, energy imprisoned
> will make itself free in whatever way possible,
> such as volcanoes. Oil is part of the Earths crust
> and consists of highly compressed matter like dead
> bodies, trees and other organic stuff.

So what's stopping the reserves from blasting out of the crust at any given time? And does oil ever "naturally" leak out in large quantities?

I've seen "There Will Be Blood," so I know how it works on land. Unfortunately, he wasn't drinking anyone's underwater milkshake, so I'm not sure how that works.

I would think the pressure from the ocean would have an effect on things, too...

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: rigger ()
Date: June 03, 2010 01:14PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> So what's stopping the reserves from blasting out
> of the crust at any given time? And does oil ever
> "naturally" leak out in large quantities?


Over 60 million gallons of oil seep naturally from the ocean floor and eroding sedimentary rocks on an annual basis. If we actually drilled more, we could prevent this harm to our oceans by preventing the threat caused by undrilled oil reserves. It really is a tragedy that we have been ignoring for years.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 03, 2010 01:17PM

Given the crude oil is in a liquid form in pockets of the Earths crust, there is little or no pressure for it escape. Unless someone drills a hole into the pocket, everything is cool.

Remember that the ocean floor used to be the ground and probably had trees, animals and typical land based stuff on it before it was submerged by water. Likewise, some deserts used to be underwater, but the Earth is constantly changing and shifting land masses around in the form of earthquakes, volcanoes and sometimes man-made events.

The Earth is about 4.8 BILLION years old and a lot can happen in that amount of time. The human species has only been around for about 150,000 years, but there were many other species long before us and thats where the oil comes from. All it would take is a meteor or some other catastrophic event to create new pockets or layers of organic matter and about 300,000 years to cure it and wallah, more oil.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 01:52PM

rigger Wrote:
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> Over 60 million gallons of oil seep naturally from
> the ocean floor and eroding sedimentary rocks on
> an annual basis. If we actually drilled more, we
> could prevent this harm to our oceans by
> preventing the threat caused by undrilled oil
> reserves. It really is a tragedy that we have
> been ignoring for years.

So where's all that oil going?

Numbers Wrote:
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> Given the crude oil is in a liquid form in pockets
> of the Earths crust, there is little or no
> pressure for it escape. Unless someone drills a
> hole into the pocket, everything is cool.

So where's the pressure coming from in the Gulf well? The ocean pushing down, or the mantle pushing up?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: murdok ()
Date: June 03, 2010 01:55PM

if you have a problem, and no one else can help, and you can find them...you can hire the A Team. Not available until June 11 though

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: rigger ()
Date: June 03, 2010 02:05PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> rigger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Over 60 million gallons of oil seep naturally
> from
> > the ocean floor and eroding sedimentary rocks
> on
> > an annual basis. If we actually drilled more,
> we
> > could prevent this harm to our oceans by
> > preventing the threat caused by undrilled oil
> > reserves. It really is a tragedy that we have
> > been ignoring for years.
>
> So where's all that oil going?

It goes into the ocean. That's why we need to drill and extract it. People who are saying don't drill really don't care about the ocean. If they did, they would want to remove that ecological threat as soon as possible.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 03, 2010 02:06PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> So where's the pressure coming from in the Gulf
> well? The ocean pushing down, or the mantle
> pushing up?


From what I understand, the hole is over a mile below the surface of the ocean, so there is a shitload of pressure from that. There could also be other gasses inside the pocket that push the oil out.
Also, it could be that part of the pocket is above the hole, creating a syphon type effect.

This of course is all speculation on my part and I could be wrong about all this, but that's the way I always understood the way these things work.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 03, 2010 02:24PM

Think of the oil deposit as a ballon filled with water. Now put a sheet of steel over the balloon- pretend that's the earth's crust. Then imagine what would happen if you drilled a pinhole thru that steel crust into the balloon.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 03, 2010 02:26PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Think of the oil deposit as a ballon filled with
> water. Now put a sheet of steel over the balloon-
> pretend that's the earth's crust. Then imagine
> what would happen if you drilled a pinhole thru
> that steel crust into the balloon.


That's actually a great way to put it.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 03:08PM

Numbers Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Think of the oil deposit as a ballon filled
> with
> > water. Now put a sheet of steel over the
> balloon-
> > pretend that's the earth's crust. Then imagine
> > what would happen if you drilled a pinhole thru
> > that steel crust into the balloon.
>
>
> That's actually a great way to put it.

+1

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Slick ()
Date: June 03, 2010 03:10PM

Source for some interesting info has been the American Petroleum Institute.

http://www.api.org/

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 03, 2010 03:24PM

Ooops...


METAIRIE, La. – BP sliced off a pipe with giant shears Thursday in the latest bid to curtail the worst spill in U.S. history, but the cut was jagged and placing a cap over the gusher will now be more challenging.

BP turned to the shears after a diamond-tipped saw became stuck in the pipe halfway through the job, yet another frustrating delay in the six-week-old Gulf of Mexico spill.

The cap will be lowered and sealed over the leak, said Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the government's point man for the disaster. It won't be known how much oil BP can siphon to a tanker on the surface until the cap is fitted, but the irregular cut means it won't fit as snugly as officials hoped.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Snapple ()
Date: June 03, 2010 03:47PM

In Soviet Russia, nuclear bomb STOPS disaster!


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 04:02PM

Snapple Wrote:
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> In Soviet Russia, nuclear bomb STOPS disaster!
>
>

If that's a russian video, why is it in english with a russian accent?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Lurker. ()
Date: June 03, 2010 04:20PM

If nothing else build a huge containment area a couple hundred feet wide and have tankers or dredges constantly pumping the oil into tankers. If the well is leaking 5000 gallons a day, have enough suction pumps to suck up 10,000 gallons.

BP should be building large suction hoses like dredges on tankers to attack the spill.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 03, 2010 04:48PM

Lurker. Wrote:
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> If nothing else build a huge containment area a
> couple hundred feet wide and have tankers or
> dredges constantly pumping the oil into tankers.
> If the well is leaking 5000 gallons a day, have
> enough suction pumps to suck up 10,000 gallons.
>
> BP should be building large suction hoses like
> dredges on tankers to attack the spill.

Well first off, it's measured in barrels, not gallons. A barrel is something like 42 gallons. So, the BP estimate of 5,000 barrels translates into 210,000 gallons a day.

However, estimates have put it as high as 70,000 barrels, or 2,940,000 gallons. Nobody's really sure how much is leaking.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 03, 2010 04:52PM

I think one of the things that has screwed up dealing with the spill was BP putting dispersant directly in the oil stream as it came out of the pipe. It seems they would have been better off leaving the oil in normal form until it got to the surface, then corral it and deal with it. By using the chemicals underwater they appear to have made the overall issues harder to deal with.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 03, 2010 05:56PM

I think BP should plug the hole with Obama's head. God knows it's big enough.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Redneck Bimbo Housewife ()
Date: June 03, 2010 05:58PM

Alias Wrote:
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> I think BP should plug the hole with Obama's head.
> God knows it's big enough.


+1

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: uppitynig ()
Date: June 03, 2010 06:26PM

call it a day and drill the fuck out of the gulf theres more there that came from.
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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: woof-woof(RocketBoom) ()
Date: June 03, 2010 07:24PM

Why does not the U.S. Navy launch an ASROC (Anti Submarine ROCket), seeks out submarines and has a small nuclear charge that collapses the submarine, at the leak?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Take a Stand ()
Date: June 03, 2010 08:13PM

First off that Maddow video about the 1978 spill was incredible, its amazing that other MSM , is not running with that.. it shows culpability and previous knowledge of such a problem ..

RV, I understand what you mean, I thought the same things, but the Dispersant is a trade off. Use the dispersant and hopefully save the shore and make it easier to clean on on land , or not use it and save the marine life in the water..

Unfortunately it has been so bad , neither is now possible. It just goes to show how little this industry has thought of disaster recovery .


The idea behind a big bell to collect the oil works theory, but when its 5,000 feet below the Nat. gas and oil is already under suck hi pressure , that by drawing a vacuum on the bell, quickens the formation of these "hydrologics" (ice chunks, that form from water vapor in the oil and gas) This is the reason they are also pumping methyl alcohol in the recover tube right now to act as a antifreeze in the pipe.

BP can not just plug this up because the immense presure of the well head, could back up and blow out the casing ( cement structure as the base of the BOP) Due to the explosion and pipe break, they dont know the true condition of the casing to rely on it as a long/mid term solution.

That being said, Maddow summed it up. Their only concern is making money, and be damned the risk or impact.

Almost the exact thing happened before, and no one learned a damn thing from it ?!

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: June 03, 2010 08:45PM

drain the ocean then let the oil dry like a scab.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: June 03, 2010 09:08PM

Redneck Bimbo Housewife Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
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> > I think BP should plug the hole with Obama's
> head.
> > God knows it's big enough.
>
>
> +1

Howdy, Redneck Bimbo!

If Obama's big head doesn't do the trick, let's throw Nancy Pelosi's liposuctioned fat ass in there with him.

Whaddyathink, partner?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 03, 2010 09:40PM

De-regulation, tax cuts and free markets will fix it.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 03, 2010 09:45PM

Snapple Wrote:
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> In Soviet Russia, nuclear bomb STOPS disaster!
>
>


Here are three reasons they aren't using a nuke for this...

1. They are already drilling relief wells to fill the original well with cement. The video you posted shows the Soviets using essentially a relief well to use the nuke. If once the relief well is drilled cement can seal the original well, why use a nuke?

2. A detonation at that depth will reportedly result in a Tsunami. That will REALLY help the people on the Gulf.

3. Radiation. The Soviets didn't give a fuck about poisoning their own people, but I think we care about turning the bottom of the Gulf and the oil beneath it into an unusable wasteland of nuclear radiation.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: trogdor! ()
Date: June 03, 2010 10:20PM

I wish there was a nice graphic representation of what the hell is going on under the water there. Is the oil coming from a pipe? Is the pipe vertical or horizontal? Is there debris around it? The live video feed is no help in understanding the problem.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 04, 2010 09:32AM

trogdor! Wrote:
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> I wish there was a nice graphic representation of
> what the hell is going on under the water there.
> Is the oil coming from a pipe? Is the pipe
> vertical or horizontal? Is there debris around
> it? The live video feed is no help in
> understanding the problem.

I found this... http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/how_the_gulf_of_mexico_oil_spi.html

And this:

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: ANyone ()
Date: June 04, 2010 10:21AM

Anyone seen this:

http://www.ifitwasmyhome.com/

Scary.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Yahweh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 10:50AM

Right on Strife;

"A plan proposed to detonate a nuke to seal off that troublesome oil well is gaining support with each of BP's failures."

http://dvice.com/archives/2010/06/nuking-the-oil.php

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 10:58AM

Yahweh Wrote:
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> Right on Strife;
>
> "A plan proposed to detonate a nuke to seal off
> that troublesome oil well is gaining support with
> each of BP's failures."
>
> http://dvice.com/archives/2010/06/nuking-the-oil.p
> hp


Gaining support with who? Tea Baggers?

How many of those Russian attempts were a mile under water?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:06AM

The thought of a big nuclear hurricane raining down onto the southern US and storm-surging radioactive petroleum up onto shore is enough to scare me away from this whole atomic bomb idea.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Gonads & Strife ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:08AM

On the up-side...we might get super powers from coming into contact with the oil. I'd say that's worth the risk, wouldn't you?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: oiled up ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:19AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Gaining support with who? Tea Baggers?


No Democrats. From the NYT: Michael E. Webber, a mechanical engineer at the University of Texas, Austin, wrote to Dot Earth, a New York Times blog, in early May that he had surprised himself by considering what once seemed unthinkable. “Seafloor nuclear detonation,” he wrote, “is starting to sound surprisingly feasible and appropriate.”

Oh, and CNN reporters: Or as the CNN reporter John Roberts suggested last week, “Drill a hole, drop a nuke in and seal up the well.”


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:22AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> The thought of a big nuclear hurricane raining
> down onto the southern US and storm-surging
> radioactive petroleum up onto shore is enough to
> scare me away from this whole atomic bomb idea.

Presumably, it wouldn't be detonated ON the sea floor, but in a tunnel adjacent to the well.

However, if they're having all those problems with freezing already, I wonder what kind of complications this will entail.

But, like Cpl. Hicks always says... "Nuke from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Meechellllll ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:42AM


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 11:44AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The thought of a big nuclear hurricane raining
> > down onto the southern US and storm-surging
> > radioactive petroleum up onto shore is enough
> to
> > scare me away from this whole atomic bomb idea.
>
> Presumably, it wouldn't be detonated ON the sea
> floor, but in a tunnel adjacent to the well.
>
> However, if they're having all those problems with
> freezing already, I wonder what kind of
> complications this will entail.
>
> But, like Cpl. Hicks always says... "Nuke from
> orbit. It's the only way to be sure."


Even underground it would produce a huge shock wave. I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf coast communities by swamping them with a Tsunami.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:45AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Even underground it would produce a huge shock
> wave. I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf
> coast communities by swamping them with a Tsunami.

That's why we have all those awesome levies, duh.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: yee haw ()
Date: June 04, 2010 11:46AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TheMeeper Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The thought of a big nuclear hurricane
> raining
> > > down onto the southern US and storm-surging
> > > radioactive petroleum up onto shore is enough
> > to
> > > scare me away from this whole atomic bomb
> idea.
> >
> > Presumably, it wouldn't be detonated ON the sea
> > floor, but in a tunnel adjacent to the well.
> >
> > However, if they're having all those problems
> with
> > freezing already, I wonder what kind of
> > complications this will entail.
> >
> > But, like Cpl. Hicks always says... "Nuke from
> > orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
>
>
> Even underground it would produce a huge shock
> wave. I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf
> coast communities by swamping them with a Tsunami.

Who knows, ask CNN reporters and some Democrats in TX. They seem to have the answer to your questions.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 11:50AM

yee haw Wrote:
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> >
> > Even underground it would produce a huge shock
> > wave. I don't quite get the notion of saving
> Gulf
> > coast communities by swamping them with a
> Tsunami.
>
> Who knows, ask CNN reporters and some Democrats in
> TX. They seem to have the answer to your
> questions.

BP may be run by a bunch of douchebags, but their engineers and geologists know a hell of a lot more about this stuff than John Roberts or James Cameron do. Maybe BP will take direction from Cameron the day Cameron allows a BP geologist to direct his next shitty sci-fi Epic.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: June 04, 2010 12:38PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf
> coast communities by swamping them with a Tsunami.

Or even worse, the explosion could awaken Godzilla, King of Monsters.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 04, 2010 12:45PM

And then he could shoot fire at the remaining oil slick and burn it off.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 12:49PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> The thought of a big nuclear hurricane raining
> down onto the southern US and storm-surging
> radioactive petroleum up onto shore is enough to
> scare me away from this whole atomic bomb idea.




Yep, and you know if there is a spike in cancer rates or any other health problems in that area over the next few decades, everyone will blame the nuclear explosion, whether it was truly the cause or not.



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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:05PM

Again, I doubt they'd just lay the nuke on top of the pipe and detonate it on the ocean floor.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:07PM


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:08PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf
> > coast communities by swamping them with a
> Tsunami.
>
> Or even worse, the explosion could awaken
> Godzilla, King of Monsters.


Would it be the evil Godzilla from the 1958 movie or the more friendly one that does a jig after he defeats a monster and has a little Godzilla love child?

EDIT - Numbers with the better reference above!

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 01:09PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I don't quite get the notion of saving Gulf
> > coast communities by swamping them with a
> Tsunami.
>
> Or even worse, the explosion could awaken
> Godzilla, King of Monsters.


Or worse, some sort of Cajun super-monster. Like Mothra, but with James Carville's head.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:12PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Again, I doubt they'd just lay the nuke on top of
> the pipe and detonate it on the ocean floor.


They would embed it in the seafloor near the well so the undersea area would basically turn to glass. And I doubt there would be some massive tsunami as an undersea earthquake has much more energy than the kinds of nukes we are talking about here. The radiation would be in the affected ground and I doubt it would be detectable on the surface of the water. They'd have to monitor seafood yields but I think the danger of that option is less than the option of letting oil continue to spill a that rate for at least another 60 days.

The negative reaction because the proposal uses a mean evil bomb to do some good is as useful as saying the sun causes skin cancer and horrible sunburning so it shouldn't be used for solar power. I'm no scientist and I don't know if it i would really work or what the implications would be, but if nuclear scientists teamed up with geologists and came up with something they both thought would work and net less damage than continued oil in the gulf I think it should at least be considered.



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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 01:14PM

Warhawk Wrote:
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>
>
> Would it be the evil Godzilla from the 1958 movie
> or the more friendly one that does a jig after he
> defeats a monster and has a little Godzilla love
> child?

I find the Godzilla/Japan relationship perplexing. The Japanese love a monster known for kicking the shit out of them. This could explain why the Japanese love America so much.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:21PM

What's all this Godzilla talk? We need to be more concerned with the Cloverfields of the world. Those fuckers can survive MOABs.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:22PM

eesh Wrote:
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> What's all this Godzilla talk? We need to be more
> concerned with the Cloverfields of the world.
> Those fuckers can survive MOABs.


Godzilla would own that bitch. And if he was in trouble, he'd get help from Rodan and Mothra.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:26PM

pgens Wrote:
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>
> The negative reaction because the proposal uses a
> mean evil bomb to do some good is as useful as
> saying the sun causes skin cancer and horrible
> sunburning so it shouldn't be used for solar
> power.



And the sun also doesn't cause chromosome damage, hair loss, thyroid cancer...the list goes on.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:28PM

But it does cause deserts, dehydration, blindness... the list goes on.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:30PM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> eesh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What's all this Godzilla talk? We need to be
> more
> > concerned with the Cloverfields of the world.
> > Those fuckers can survive MOABs.
>
>
> Godzilla would own that bitch. And if he was in
> trouble, he'd get help from Rodan and Mothra.





And Cloverfield has those giant crabs that make people's chests explode.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:31PM

So pgens, hypothetically speaking, if all this was going on off the coast of Virginia and Maryland, you would feel comfortable with a nuclear bomb, albeit underwater, being detonated nearby?

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:36PM

pgens Wrote:
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> They would embed it in the seafloor near the well
> so the undersea area would basically turn to
> glass. And I doubt there would be some massive
> tsunami as an undersea earthquake has much more
> energy than the kinds of nukes we are talking
> about here. The radiation would be in the
> affected ground and I doubt it would be detectable
> on the surface of the water. They'd have to
> monitor seafood yields but I think the danger of
> that option is less than the option of letting oil
> continue to spill a that rate for at least another
> 60 days.

... and it's not like they need to use one that can flatten a city. Maybe just a small, tactical nuke.

EDIT: My only argument against it would be, if the sea bed is weakened as RV said, and could potentially make the problem worse.

Underground detonation is the primary method of testing these devices, anyway.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Date: June 04, 2010 01:41PM

This shouldn't be a problem....



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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:42PM

I wonder if they could use some type of shape charge to melt the rock around the opening. It would need to be a pretty big one, but it would be better than setting off a nuke.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 04, 2010 01:44PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> This shouldn't be a problem....
>
>


LOL Even though water absorbs radioactive energy, I can't imagine using a nuclear bomb on this, even if it was only a few kilotons.

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 04, 2010 04:35PM

They are talking a few kiloton device even if they did it. You all are used to seeing the bombs they detonated over the atolls that created huge waves. At that depth it would likely not even be that noticeable beyond the immediate vicinity of the detonation.

Not that I want them to set off a nuke - I have a feeling based on what they are saying that there would be a better chance to make the leak worse. The idea of embedding the explosive in a tunnel next to the well makes the most sense, but they still don't have enough information of the rock formation there to make an educated determination on what setting off a nuke down there would do. At this point it seems the relief wells are the best bet - maybe if those fail it will be time to go the desperate route.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 05, 2010 07:01AM

the key to blocking the well is to use one way technologies. basically, stuff you can put down there that wont be able to come back out (ever).

my idea to put a mount of sorts at the opening of the well (there is less pressure outside the opening) and then pull down a bunch of weights to gradually block it off more and more of the tunnel downward until it's sealed off.

the mount would be like a grappling hook that collapses like an umbrella in order to fit in the well. when it gets to the bottom it would open and voila, you have a cable that you can pull things downward with. (one way technology)

however, to get it to the bottom you would need a weight to have gravity put it down (there's a lot of pressure pushing up!). you could put a pincher claw at the bottom so that it would release the weight when it opens.

so now, you have the ability to pull/push objects down the well using a really really strong "rope" (see metal cable). to utilize the cable, you need to use something that works either like cable/zip ties (you would need a fancy cable for that) or like a chinese finger trap. i would go with the finger trap because it works using friction alone. (both are one way technologies)

for the objects you are pushing/pulling down, i would use a raw material that is heavy, really heavy... like lead and pull/push it down to where the opening is. however, the cable is just guide and momentary crutch for the objects going down. each object needs to have it's own "legs" that push outward as it's pulled/pushed down so that if/when the tension loosens it will dig into the sides of the well (one way technology) instead of come flying back out (not a one way technology) of the well at a zillion miles an hour.

if you could get on of these objects (and several behind it) to block the well at it's opening, it's more likely to hold. after which time, fill the whole damn thing with cement if you want.

so yeah, that's my idea. it's simple, depends on basic mechanics (very important when you have pressures and temperatures that warp materials) and should shit go terribly wrong it wont make the situation worse.

for the record, blowing shit up in or by and oil well is a hell of a retarded idea.


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Re: Your ideas to stop the Gulf oil spill
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: June 05, 2010 04:34PM

http://www.fastcompany.com/article/gulf-oil-spill-bp-pump

Former NASA Investigator Offers Two More Ways for BP to Stop the Oil Spill







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