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Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 20, 2010 04:03PM

This is your Tea Party at work...



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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: OBAMA! ()
Date: May 20, 2010 04:56PM

SO is this....
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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 20, 2010 04:59PM

OBAMA! Wrote:
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> SO is this....


Wait until people start to compare and contrast the Tea Baggers with rational people.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Truth21 ()
Date: May 20, 2010 05:27PM

Don't know if I've told you this before Mr. Tonelocian:

You're a cunt.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: help me ()
Date: May 20, 2010 05:55PM

It wasnt that long ago that the media laughed at Jessie Ventura running for governor and look what happened. Americans can be stuborn people and dont like to be told what to do.
Not saying the Tea Party is right or wrong just saying these things can happen.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: somepeople ()
Date: May 20, 2010 06:50PM

yeah but 10 years ago Jessie Ventura didnt say that desegregation was a mistake

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: May 20, 2010 07:31PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> OBAMA! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SO is this....
>
>
> Wait until people start to compare and contrast
> the Tea Baggers with rational people.


We all know that "rational" people turn to Communism as a political ideology.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 20, 2010 07:33PM

somepeople Wrote:
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> yeah but 10 years ago Jessie Ventura didnt say
> that desegregation was a mistake


In fairness he didnt say that. He just beleives the rights of private property ownership trumps many other rights. I dont agree with him. I believe a business that requires a license or health/safety inspection are there to serve the public. As such they must serve the entire public.

Dr. Paul's argument was used by many on here to try and defend smoking in restaurants...with restaurant owners supposedly having the right to serve whomever they want.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Eastsider ()
Date: May 20, 2010 07:39PM

This is another stupid example of trumped-up, GOTCHA! manipulation of the media in the same fashion as Larry Summers was blasted for views that actually make sense.

I agree with Paul here. Racism from the government is intolerable, but the government should not pass laws that ban private individuals and businesses from being racist. It is a First Amendment issue.

If you believe in free markets' ability to work, racist businesses should eventually fail because they are introducing higher costs to their operation by discriminating.

To use Maddow's analogy, I think obesity is a bad thing, but I won't support Congress's passing a law that bans soda and candy. Let fatties kill themselves. Problem solved.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 20, 2010 08:17PM

Paul is trying to make a nuanced argument about Libertarian theory. The problem is when what he advocates was applied in the real world, you got this...

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Paul's problem is it's a no-win argument. The law won't be changed and bringing it up only alienates a part of the electorate. The guy is not a politician...and it shows.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: May 20, 2010 08:20PM

i hate the tea party on principal (or is it principle? fuck it...), meaning i hate glen beck. But i cant disagree with the small government aspect of it. I am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative, which leaves no party to represent me. Maybe that will change

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 20, 2010 08:33PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> The problem is when what he
> advocates was applied in the real world, you got
> this...

Exactly. Rand Paul sounds like he'd rather have our country revert back to the 19th century. Maybe we can go back to a time when businesses decide not to employ blacks, the handicapped, women?

He talks about "the free market", yet his opinion suggests that the free market shouldn't actually be "free" for everyone.

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, but he sounds like dangerous lunatic after watching this.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 20, 2010 08:54PM

Eastsider Wrote:
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> This is another stupid example of trumped-up,
> GOTCHA! manipulation of the media in the same
> fashion as Larry Summers was blasted for views
> that actually make sense.
>
> I agree with Paul here. Racism from the
> government is intolerable, but the government
> should not pass laws that ban private individuals
> and businesses from being racist. It is a First
> Amendment issue.
>
> If you believe in free markets' ability to work,
> racist businesses should eventually fail because
> they are introducing higher costs to their
> operation by discriminating.
>
> To use Maddow's analogy, I think obesity is a bad
> thing, but I won't support Congress's passing a
> law that bans soda and candy. Let fatties kill
> themselves. Problem solved.


Bad time for the "free market" ability to work things out theory. As in the world of finance...markets do self correct...but in the extreme. You could say the Civil Rights Movement was the markets self adjustment.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: somepeople ()
Date: May 20, 2010 10:04PM

the Tea Party makes me sick

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:40AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> somepeople Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > yeah but 10 years ago Jessie Ventura didnt say
> > that desegregation was a mistake
>
>
> In fairness he didnt say that. He just beleives
> the rights of private property ownership trumps
> many other rights. I dont agree with him. I
> believe a business that requires a license or
> health/safety inspection are there to serve the
> public. As such they must serve the entire
> public.
>
> Dr. Paul's argument was used by many on here to
> try and defend smoking in restaurants...with
> restaurant owners supposedly having the right to
> serve whomever they want.

You're right. And it's no secret Rand Paul is Libertarian.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:49AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul is trying to make a nuanced argument about
> Libertarian theory. The problem is when what he
> advocates was applied in the real world, you got
> this...
>
>
>
> Paul's problem is it's a no-win argument. The law
> won't be changed and bringing it up only alienates
> a part of the electorate. The guy is not a
> politician...and it shows.


There is one good point about forced de-segregation however, in that it can't change peoples minds. People changed their racist views over time, on their own.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: mcsmack ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:50AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Eastsider Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is another stupid example of trumped-up,
> > GOTCHA! manipulation of the media in the same
> > fashion as Larry Summers was blasted for views
> > that actually make sense.
> >
> > I agree with Paul here. Racism from the
> > government is intolerable, but the government
> > should not pass laws that ban private
> individuals
> > and businesses from being racist. It is a
> First
> > Amendment issue.
> >
> > If you believe in free markets' ability to
> work,
> > racist businesses should eventually fail
> because
> > they are introducing higher costs to their
> > operation by discriminating.
> >
> > To use Maddow's analogy, I think obesity is a
> bad
> > thing, but I won't support Congress's passing a
> > law that bans soda and candy. Let fatties kill
> > themselves. Problem solved.
>
>
> Bad time for the "free market" ability to work
> things out theory. As in the world of
> finance...markets do self correct...but in the
> extreme. You could say the Civil Rights Movement
> was the markets self adjustment.

Wrong. The Civil Rights Movement showed bigotry and racism for what it is, unconstitutional. Which doesn't seem to be that popular any more. Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. No guarantees, no matter what race.



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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: May 21, 2010 03:13AM

Politics are boring.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 06:12AM

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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>
> There is one good point about forced
> de-segregation however, in that it can't change
> peoples minds. People changed their racist views
> over time, on their own.

Look at Americans' views of race today compared to the 1960s. Desegregation did, in fact, change people's minds. We may not be a race-loving mecca, but we are sure the hell more tolerant than back in the 60s.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 21, 2010 06:51AM

LOL..what a joke..one only has to read 80% of the comments about hispanics on here to see how far we've come in race relations. We need laws to protect people's rights.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: WTL Fail ()
Date: May 21, 2010 07:04AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul is trying to make a nuanced argument about
> Libertarian theory. The problem is when what he
> advocates was applied in the real world, you got
> this...
>
>
>
> Paul's problem is it's a no-win argument. The law
> won't be changed and bringing it up only alienates
> a part of the electorate. The guy is not a
> politician...and it shows.


WTL- You FAIL again. Read the sign-- "By Order of Police Dept"

He specifically is against gov't racism. Try again buddy.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: May 21, 2010 07:53AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> LOL..what a joke..one only has to read 80% of the
> comments about hispanics on here to see how far
> we've come in race relations. We need laws to
> protect people's rights.


I don't think you can just lump hispanics into a single group and say "hey, look at these poor innocent hardworking people that Americans shit on every day". It's illegal immigrants that people don't care for. Here's the key distinction: Illegal. Illegal. Illegal. They are breaking the law and getting all kinds of support from the rest of an already overburdened society.

I'll grant you that most illegal immigrants in this country just happen to be of hispanic origin. Just as most muslim terrorists just happen to come from the middle east. And just as most meth dealers in Kentucky are probably white. And just as most gangbangers in South Central LA are black. And most lobbyists on K Street are white males.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 08:04AM

Eastsider Wrote:
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> I agree with Paul here. Racism from the
> government is intolerable, but the government
> should not pass laws that ban private individuals
> and businesses from being racist. It is a First
> Amendment issue.
>
> If you believe in free markets' ability to work,
> racist businesses should eventually fail because
> they are introducing higher costs to their
> operation by discriminating.


Really good theoretical attempt, but the fact remains that racist businesses, pre-1964, were a fantastic business model. You don't actually think that Woolworth's policies were an attempt to LOSE business, do you?

Edit: Discriminating doesn't raise costs, either. Its FREE. What it does do, is reduce top line revenue, unless of course, the fact that a business discriminates is seen as a positive drawing card for "like-minded" patrons. Hence a full, WHITE lunch counter at Woolworths.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 08:52AM

WTL Fail Wrote:
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>
>
> WTL- You FAIL again. Read the sign-- "By Order of
> Police Dept"
>
> He specifically is against gov't racism. Try
> again buddy.


How do you think segregation is enforced? Even for private businesses?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: LOL you goddamn moron ()
Date: May 21, 2010 08:53AM

"WTL- You FAIL again. Read the sign-- "By Order of Police Dept"

He specifically is against gov't racism. Try again buddy."

Who do you think told the Police Dept in the South what to do, the tooth fairy? You are either naive, or an idiot, or both.

There is no "gov't racism" without private citizens who want it.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 08:54AM

LOL you goddamn moron Wrote:

>
> Who do you think told the Police Dept in the South
> what to do, the tooth fairy? You are either naive,
> or an idiot, or both.
>
> There is no "gov't racism" without private
> citizens who want it.


How does a private business enforce its policies?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 21, 2010 08:56AM

Warhawk Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > LOL..what a joke..one only has to read 80% of
> the
> > comments about hispanics on here to see how far
> > we've come in race relations. We need laws to
> > protect people's rights.
>
>
> I don't think you can just lump hispanics into a
> single group and say "hey, look at these poor
> innocent hardworking people that Americans shit on
> every day". It's illegal immigrants that people
> don't care for. Here's the key distinction:
> Illegal. Illegal. Illegal. They are breaking
> the law and getting all kinds of support from the
> rest of an already overburdened society.
>
> I'll grant you that most illegal immigrants in
> this country just happen to be of hispanic origin.
> Just as most muslim terrorists just happen to
> come from the middle east. And just as most meth
> dealers in Kentucky are probably white. And just
> as most gangbangers in South Central LA are black.
> And most lobbyists on K Street are white males.


Here's the willfully ignoranrt part of your logic..that the undocumented workers wouldnt be very happy to pay their fair share of taxes...and that they contribute more to society then they take. Now there's no sense in getting your stats to prove your point..I have as many as you do to prove mine.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 08:58AM

Here is the problem with private businesses enforcing segregation...it requires the State to intercede to enforce it.

Besides, if the country is going to be minority majority in a few decades, the mostly white Tea Baggers better be careful about what they wish for.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 09:42AM

Prior to 1964, private businesses wishing to discriminate were in lock-step with local govt...even govt in all its dimensions. Hence the "By Order Of" signs. And, when you were beat over the head with a billy club by police for protesting, I doubt you bled any less than if it was a redneck with a baseball bat doing it.

Abolishing govt-based racism wouldn't have changed private business behavior without the accompanying Title II provisions. No matter how much "free market" bullshit you want to spew.

Remember too, the Civil Rights Act was a grass roots AMERICAN piece of legislation, notwithstanding the efforts of William F Buckley and Barry "Fuckwit" Goldwater, from, of all places, Arizona.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 09:52AM

I'm glad we are having this discussion. Paul should get 25% of the vote come November.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: sid the kid ()
Date: May 21, 2010 10:37AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm glad we are having this discussion. Paul
> should get 25% of the vote come November.

Well, considering he is up 25 percentage points over Conway today, he has a way to fall. Who gets fewer votes Paul and his nuanced answers or Blumenthal and his outright lies about Viet Nam?

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Date: May 21, 2010 10:42AM

sid the kid Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > I'm glad we are having this discussion. Paul
> > should get 25% of the vote come November.
>
> Well, considering he is up 25 percentage points
> over Conway today, he has a way to fall. Who gets
> fewer votes Paul and his nuanced answers or
> Blumenthal and his outright lies about Viet Nam?


It's May. The voters of Kentucky will have several months to absorb the "wisdom" of Rand Paul. As for Blumenthal, you won't find me defending that scumbag.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 21, 2010 10:48AM

Rand Paul Says He's Being "Trashed Up And Down" By "Democratic Talking Points"
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/05/21/rand_paul_says_hes_being_trashed_up_and_down_by_democratic_talking_points.html
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"I've just been trashed up and down and they have been saying things that are untrue. And when they say I'm for repealing the Civil Rights Act, it's absolutely false. It's never been my position and something that I basically just think is politics."

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 11:00AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Rand Paul Says He's Being "Trashed Up And Down" By
> "Democratic Talking Points"

>
> "I've just been trashed up and down and they have
> been saying things that are untrue. And when they
> say I'm for repealing the Civil Rights Act, it's
> absolutely false. It's never been my position and
> something that I basically just think is
> politics."
>
>
>

He was asked a simple question which he did not answer. Do you believe businesses should have a right to deny services to people based on their race, gender or religion? He danced around without answering the question.

I don't believe the guy is racist. I don't believe he would try to repeal the Civil Rights Act. I do think he stumbled into a quagmire and continues to dig himself in deeper by trying to blame the media and DNC for what he has done to himself.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 21, 2010 11:07AM

And, as he pointed out - let's bring the politics of Byrd into the equation. A man who still uses the term "white-niggers" and such in recent memory (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a racist.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 11:10AM

Actually, Rachel Maddow did a fine job of asking the question. She wasn't deterred by his attempts at double-speak and evasion. He got eviscerated--hoisted on his own petard.

Then he went running off to Wolf Blitzer, who asked him stutteringly stupid follow-up questions (and allowed him to change his position overnight), and Laura Ingraham, who only wanted to talk about what a bitch Maddow is.

I'll leave it to you fine folks to decide who the journalist was in the equation.

And the fine people of Kentucky have more information now than they did 3 days ago. Let's hope they use it.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 11:13AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> And, as he pointed out - let's bring the politics
> of Byrd into the equation. A man who still uses
> the term "white-niggers" and such in recent memory
> (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a racist.


The question isn't "who's a racist", and you know its not. The question was, and still is, does Paul believe the Civil Rights Act was correct legislation. Any thinking person who watched him waffle knows his answer, even though he refused to commit to it. Crying "politics" just makes him even more pathetic.

But nice try obfuscating the issue.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 11:16AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> And, as he pointed out - let's bring the politics
> of Byrd into the equation. A man who still uses
> the term "white-niggers" and such in recent memory
> (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a racist.


Since when is Byrd running for the Senate in Kentucky. Maybe Paul should explain his positions before deflecting blame to others.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 11:20AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And, as he pointed out - let's bring the
> politics
> > of Byrd into the equation. A man who still uses
> > the term "white-niggers" and such in recent
> memory
> > (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a
> racist.
>
>
> Since when is Byrd running for the Senate in
> Kentucky. Maybe Paul should explain his positions
> before deflecting blame to others.

That matters little to the Reggies of the world, who's only focus is on supporting ANY non-Democratic politician, at ANY expense. Philosophically, morally, or otherwise. Or just trying to desperately change the subject.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 21, 2010 11:25AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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>
> That matters little to the Reggies of the world,
> who's only focus is on supporting ANY
> non-Democratic politician, at ANY expense.
> Philosophically, morally, or otherwise. Or just
> trying to desperately change the subject.


Bingo. And it won't work. Rand has stepped in a big pile of Macaca and he can't get out. Tar babies aren't so funny now, are they Tea Baggers?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 21, 2010 11:55AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And, as he pointed out - let's bring the
> politics
> > of Byrd into the equation. A man who still uses
> > the term "white-niggers" and such in recent
> memory
> > (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a
> racist.
>
>
> The question isn't "who's a racist", and you know
> its not. The question was, and still is, does
> Paul believe the Civil Rights Act was correct
> legislation. Any thinking person who watched him
> waffle knows his answer, even though he refused to
> commit to it. Crying "politics" just makes him
> even more pathetic.
>
> But nice try obfuscating the issue.

No, his point was, he is not a racist, is not advocating racism, and yet he is being painted as a racist. So pointing out folks who actually are racist but given a pass on the issue is a valid point. You would be one of the first ones here pointing out how Fox News is big on using these tactics, so I don't see how you can confuse the issue when the shoe is on the other foot. So all these whiners going on about Fox News are just pathetic then - gotcha.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:05PM

I believe he isnt a racist...he's just a 19th Century politcal hack.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:11PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> fairfaxdude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > And, as he pointed out - let's bring the
> > politics
> > > of Byrd into the equation. A man who still
> uses
> > > the term "white-niggers" and such in recent
> > memory
> > > (March 2001). And I believe old Byrd IS a
> > racist.
> >
> >
> > The question isn't "who's a racist", and you
> know
> > its not. The question was, and still is, does
> > Paul believe the Civil Rights Act was correct
> > legislation. Any thinking person who watched
> him
> > waffle knows his answer, even though he refused
> to
> > commit to it. Crying "politics" just makes him
> > even more pathetic.
> >
> > But nice try obfuscating the issue.
>
> No, his point was, he is not a racist, is not
> advocating racism, and yet he is being painted as
> a racist. So pointing out folks who actually are
> racist but given a pass on the issue is a valid
> point. You would be one of the first ones here
> pointing out how Fox News is big on using these
> tactics, so I don't see how you can confuse the
> issue when the shoe is on the other foot. So all
> these whiners going on about Fox News are just
> pathetic then - gotcha.


Paul is not being painted as a racist---he's being painted as a head-in-the-sand politician who's utopian view on the world would actually set it back 50 years, and re-enable racism by his ultimate freedom-fighters: businesses.

Its a easy distinction to understand. Unless, of course, changing the subject is the only tool you have on this issue. I recall your same exploits on the Halliburton employee rape discussion.

And i don't think FOX had anything to add on this issue--other than safe haven so he could change his position and crybaby about "politics". Isn't HE the one that WANTS TO BE A POLITICIAN?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: stupid republicans ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:14PM

Well if he's not racist, then how does he defend himself against the video where he was shown shouting the N-word at a group of African-American school children?

That is a totally indefensible act and only a stupid teabagger Republican would say it isn't racist.

Get a life.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 21, 2010 12:41PM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> > these whiners going on about Fox News are just
> > pathetic then - gotcha.
>
>
> Paul is not being painted as a racist---he's being
> painted as a head-in-the-sand politician who's
> utopian view on the world would actually set it
> back 50 years, and re-enable racism by his
> ultimate freedom-fighters: businesses.
>
> Its a easy distinction to understand. Unless, of
> course, changing the subject is the only tool you
> have on this issue. I recall your same exploits on
> the Halliburton employee rape discussion.
>
> And i don't think FOX had anything to add on this
> issue--other than safe haven so he could change
> his position and crybaby about "politics". Isn't
> HE the one that WANTS TO BE A POLITICIAN?

From the expanded article on ABC
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...
Paul's Civil Rights Comments Could Embolden Tea Party Critics (as seen here on FFXU)

The controversy over Paul's comments on federal civil rights legislation has revived suggestions by Tea Party critics that there are racists in the movement, an allegation Paul denies.

The most recent ABC News polls show the perception of racial prejudice in the movement exists, particularly among the movement's opponents. Among all Americans, 28 percent see racial prejudice against President Obama as a substantial factor in support for the Tea Party movement.

Paul clarified his views in a written statement Thursday, saying whatever concerns he may have had about parts of the Civil Rights Act, he has not -- and has never -- called for repealing it.

"Even though this matter was settled when I was 2, and no serious people are seeking to revisit it except to score cheap political points, I unequivocally state that I will not support any efforts to repeal the Civil Rights Act of 1964," Paul, 47, said.

"Let me be clear: I support the Civil Rights Act because I overwhelmingly agree with the intent of the legislation, which was to stop discrimination in the public sphere and halt the abhorrent practice of segregation and Jim Crow laws," he said.
...

So, as usual, nothing but slanted attacks on opinions he may have had on issues, but nothing he has actually advocated for, or attempted to change. He has an opinion, just like others have expressed opinions. I guess you will get to see how well it goes over come the election - right now it looks like he is ahead.

Maybe you should get a better candidate in Kentucky rather than worrying about the guy he is losing to at the moment. I guess Conway isn't looking so good as a politician himself huh?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/ky/kentucky_senate_paul_vs_conway-1148.html

Polling Data
Poll Date Sample Paul (R) Conway (D) Spread
RCP Average 5/1 - 5/19 -- 47.3 37.7 Paul +9.6
Rasmussen Reports 5/19 - 5/19 500 LV 59 34 Paul +25
R2000/Daily Kos (D) 5/10 - 5/12 600 LV 42 39 Paul +3

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 21, 2010 02:31PM

LOL So it's "news" that people think there are anti-Obama racists in the tea-bagger ranks? ummm...DUH...the monkey signs and African tribal chieftain signs are a pretty good indicator, doncha think?

And now you post an article from the MSM (whom you purport to despise) with a bolded quote from Paul from the DAY AFTER he couldn't support the CRA, but now all of a sudden he can. Brilliant.

I swear, Reggie, as leader of the "I must have the last word" fuckwits on here, you really will stoop at nothing to confuse and conflate the issues.

As for Conway (who ISN'T the issue) I'll admit to knowing next to nothing about the guy, primarily because I'm not from Kentucky. We have enough problems here in VA with that Cuccinelli dimwit.

I bet you can derail this thread with more global cooling/warming bullshit too--after you tire of trying so hard to defend Rand Paul and his lame views on the CRA and the FHA.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 21, 2010 03:58PM

And yet, you still Fairy on my postings and have to "cover my bases" with your BS - even though it has nothing to do with Virginia. Follow your own advice ShadowBrain and post on something you care about - like your Brain-Partner: Vince.

As far as the Tea Party being racist - as has been pointed out a number of times - there are plenty of blacks, Hispanics, etc, etc in their ranks. But when 95% of the black population voted for Obama, and the Hispanic population (primarily the ones here illegally) are beholden to the left-tards to allow them to get their welfare, food stamps, and other subsidized living from the Fed, is it any wonder they are not out supporting the Tea Party which wants less government and better border security? I am not "defending" Paul - what I take offense at is the "gotcha" BS "journalism" that MSM purports to call reporting on the issues. I actually think his father is quite a loon for some of his views, and know a little less about his - at the same time the fact that it is obvious the people closer to the issues (like the ones that live in Kentucky) probably have a better idea of what he really represents then you, or WTL, or the Democratic talking point folks.

Maybe if you spent less time being a hyper-Fairy and more time understanding the issues you would not make yourself look like you have such a man-crush on other people here.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 22, 2010 09:56AM

Oh, fer fucks sake Reggie, stop being such a goddamm crybaby.

Stop insisting " a few" minority tea-baggers = "plenty".

Stop blaming the messenger when your position, or candidate, or favorite political point gets eviscerated by a journalist.

Stop retreating into your partisan hack bullshit whining about "talking points".

And stop whining about fantasy "man-crushes", when its obvious that 78% of the posters here think you're just a big windy Repuke douchebag with qoute boxes.

Every time you get destroyed here, its just one big whine from you. Go insult Vince some more and feel better about yourself.

Fuckin Dumbass.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: the trueth fairy ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:03AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Oh, fer fucks sake Reggie, stop being such a
> goddamm crybaby.
>
> Stop insisting " a few" minority tea-baggers =
> "plenty".
>
> Stop blaming the messenger when your position, or
> candidate, or favorite political point gets
> eviscerated by a journalist.
>
> Stop retreating into your partisan hack bullshit
> whining about "talking points".
>
> And stop whining about fantasy "man-crushes", when
> its obvious that 78% of the posters here think
> you're just a big windy Repuke douchebag with
> qoute boxes.
>
> Every time you get destroyed here, its just one
> big whine from you. Go insult Vince some more and
> feel better about yourself.
>
> Fuckin Dumbass.
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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:03AM

stupid republicans Wrote:
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> Well if he's not racist, then how does he defend
> himself against the video where he was shown
> shouting the N-word at a group of African-American
> school children?
>
> That is a totally indefensible act and only a
> stupid teabagger Republican would say it isn't
> racist.
>
> Get a life.

Do you have a link?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 11:28AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Oh, fer fucks sake Reggie, stop being such a
> goddamm crybaby.
>

Um Fairy?

The only one here that is acting the dumbshit and being a crybaby - is you.

99% of your posts are "rebukes" of people YOU think are dumbasses - and the best part? Look in a mirror ShadowBrain - it's you. Warped perceptions much? Project much?

LOL.

The best part is how you always cite "the other 95% of folks here..." who obviously support your position. Talk about delusional - yeah Fairy - you are IT. Maybe you should talk to Vince or some of your other "well-medicated" friends and find out who they go to for their delusional/bipolar tendencies. You think you are the shit, and the thing is - you ARE the shit, literally. You name yourself every time you post here.

Have pity on the ShadowBrain - he needs it.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 11:46AM

In a way it's too bad for Rand - although I still think he has a good shot at pulling his run off.

He is obviously a pretty smart guy - he could run circles around Palin and similar folks - probably Obama as well on the intellectual side. But he is not the "elitist's elitist". He is not as nuanced at politics and the politics of personal destruction that the MSM supported political party has at it's beck and call. He is one of those folks who doesn't need a teleprompter to make a speech - but he does need a better PR guy to coach him in the pitfalls of saying too much, or saying things in ways that are easily misconstrued.

I don't know that much about him, but it's obvious he has the political machine on the left up in arms. It will be interesting to see if the Democrat out there has sufficient credit to overcome his local polling - even if they manage to smear his national perception.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2010 12:13PM

You think way too highly of Dr. Rand...perhaps if he used a teleprompter he could stay on the message he wants to get out. He hasnt been smart enough so far to keep his foot out of his mouth.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 12:58PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> He hasnt been smart
> enough so far to keep his foot out of his mouth.

Yesterday he said President Obama's criticism of BP was "un-American".

I guess us real Americans should be praising all foreign-owned companies that create huge disasters near our shores?

When I first heard about Rand I was a little intrigued and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. But based on comments like this, now I just think he's a far-right teabag dumbass pretending to be libertarian.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Bill Dohrn ()
Date: May 22, 2010 01:21PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Yesterday he said President Obama's criticism of
> BP was "un-American".
>
> I guess us real Americans should be praising all
> foreign-owned companies that create huge disasters
> near our shores?

Nah, we should just plant bombs in government buildings and then when the time comes host the future President of the United States at a reception to kick off his political career. That's what real Americans do, right?

> When I first heard about Rand I was a little
> intrigued and wanted to give him the benefit of
> the doubt. But based on comments like this, now I
> just think he's a far-right teabag dumbass
> pretending to be libertarian.

Says the guy whi voted for a man who kicked off his political career in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist, lol.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 01:40PM

Bill Dohrn Wrote:
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>
> Says the guy whi voted for a man who kicked off his political career in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist, lol.

Yeah, I'd feel so much smarter voting for a guy who put Joe The Plumber out on stage during his campaign.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Rev. Jerry ()
Date: May 22, 2010 02:01PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Bill Dohrn Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Says the guy whi voted for a man who kicked off
> his political career in the living room of an
> unrepentant terrorist, lol.
>
> Yeah, I'd feel so much smarter voting for a guy
> who put Joe The Plumber out on stage during his
> campaign.

I bet you would. I bet you would also feel smarter knowing you voted for a guy that spoke highly of Jeremiah Wright and considered him a wonderful person.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: May 22, 2010 03:09PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> In a way it's too bad for Rand - although I still
> think he has a good shot at pulling his run off.
>
> He is obviously a pretty smart guy - he could run
> circles around Palin and similar folks - probably
> Obama as well on the intellectual side. But he is
> not the "elitist's elitist". He is not as nuanced
> at politics and the politics of personal
> destruction that the MSM supported political party
> has at it's beck and call. He is one of those
> folks who doesn't need a teleprompter to make a
> speech - but he does need a better PR guy to coach
> him in the pitfalls of saying too much, or saying
> things in ways that are easily misconstrued.
>
> I don't know that much about him, but it's obvious
> he has the political machine on the left up in
> arms. It will be interesting to see if the
> Democrat out there has sufficient credit to
> overcome his local polling - even if they manage
> to smear his national perception.

Translation:
"hes a smart guy, but unfairly picked on"---GOP talking point for "really what we mean is we are smarter than the party in power, but have no way to prove it"

"politics of personal destruction"---GOP talking point for whenever there is criticism of one of theirs

"teleprompter"--- GOP talking point for "we hate our President"

"misconstrued"--GOP talking point word for "caught"


LMAO....Rand Paul is "smart" because he's running as a Republican, you mean...so you can support him. This is a guy who's so out of touch with American society and history that he thinks the sovereignty of owning a business trumps human civil rights, that the Fair Housing Act is a legislative "overreach", and thinks criticizing BP for their oil spill is "Un-American". Don't confuse philosophical pedantry for "smart".

Oh, and btw, he's running for Jim Bunning's REPUBLICAN seat in Kentucky--the guy once voted one of the 5 worst Senators of all time, who's not running this election BECAUSE HIS OWN PARTY HAS KILLED HIS CHANCE TO RAISE FUND RAISE, and had an approval rating of under 30% in his own state after 10 years in office!

Ya gotta admit..that's ironic! If he gets elected, he becomes the worthless dumbass GOP junior Senator from Kentucky, replacing the worthless dumbass GOP junior Senator from Kentucky. Chalk one up, GOP!

I bet he knows how to participate in a filibuster, though. Or will learn quick enough, since it's fairly easy to do. Easier than actually DOING anything, that is.

You're a priceless little hack, Reggie. Keep spinning!

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: HarlanCountyWar ()
Date: May 22, 2010 03:33PM

Rand Paul is running in Kentucky. Not California.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 04:14PM

Rev. Jerry Wrote:
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>
> I bet you would. I bet you would also feel
> smarter knowing you voted for a guy that spoke
> highly of Jeremiah Wright and considered him a
> wonderful person.


Christians say alot of stupid shit on a regular basis.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: p rich ()
Date: May 22, 2010 04:16PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Rev. Jerry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I bet you would. I bet you would also feel
> > smarter knowing you voted for a guy that spoke
> > highly of Jeremiah Wright and considered him a
> > wonderful person.
>
>
> Christians say alot of stupid shit on a regular
> basis.


I know. Isn't Obama a Christian?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 04:29PM

p rich Wrote:
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>
>
> I know. Isn't Obama a Christian?
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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: p rich ()
Date: May 22, 2010 04:48PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> some lame pic

What's a muslin?

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 22, 2010 05:05PM

HarlanCountyWar Wrote:
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> Rand Paul is running in Kentucky. Not California.


Not every Kentuckian is a fucking idiot. And Democrats have done decently in Kentucky over the years.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: HarlanCountyWar ()
Date: May 22, 2010 06:18PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> HarlanCountyWar Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Rand Paul is running in Kentucky. Not
> California.
>
>
> Not every Kentuckian is a fucking idiot. And
> Democrats have done decently in Kentucky over the
> years.

They haven't done so well in the Senate and McCain beat Obama by
over 16%. Union influence is less now than it used to be.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: burt ()
Date: May 22, 2010 06:44PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Not every Kentuckian is a fucking idiot.



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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 09:22PM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> You're a priceless little hack, Reggie. Keep
> spinning!

Again - you have defined yourself. You are nothing but a hack Fairy. You come on and deride anyone who holds an opinion - yours is nothing but a shadow of other posters here. You are a worthless hack, with nothing worthwhile to say.

As far as criticism goes - you are of the party that can take any rightfully defined criticism of their current leader, and boil it down to one common (and untrue) denominator - racism.

When the Democrats get voted out - regardless of your hopeful ranting here - it won't really matter what happens to Rand Paul in Kentucky. And he is still likely to win. So keep going with "racism" and "Bush did it". Other than trying to play "gothca" politics, that is about all that is left in the Obama and Democrat playbook.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 09:33PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He hasnt been smart
> > enough so far to keep his foot out of his
> mouth.
>
> Yesterday he said President Obama's criticism of
> BP was "un-American".
>
> I guess us real Americans should be praising all
> foreign-owned companies that create huge disasters
> near our shores?
>
> When I first heard about Rand I was a little
> intrigued and wanted to give him the benefit of
> the doubt. But based on comments like this, now I
> just think he's a far-right teabag dumbass
> pretending to be libertarian.

In all truthfulness, a real leader LEADS. Even project management 101 teaches the basic theory:

"If you want to complain about a problem, you also have to offer up a solution"

Right now Obama is looking pretty stupid when all he does is try to push blame on BP. Sure, I think we all know by now that BP, Halliburton and TransOcean are the folks who were working on the well. Pretty obvious where the focus will be. So how about they DO something instead of waiting for BP to pull a rabbit out of their ass?

Carville, Matthews rip W.H. BP response
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/37632.html
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...
James Carville, a stalwart Obama defender -- and Louisiana native -- and MSNBC's Chris Mathews both voiced concerns about the president's handling of the spill, and Obama's decision to allow BP to take the lead on plugging the pipe, which has been pouring oil into the sea for a month.

Their statements came on a day when the press corps spent the better part of an hour grilling White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs about the administration's response to the Deepwater Horizons disaster -- and the cloud of confusion over the amount of oil spilling from the severed exploration pipe and BP's efforts to staunch the flow.

Matthews, speaking during an appearance with Jay Leno on NBC's "Tonight Show," said Obama's response "scares me. He's been acting a little like a Vatican Observer here. When is he actually going to do something?"

Carville, one of the President Bush's harshest critics in the wake of the 2005 hurricane that decimated New Orleans, called Obama's response "lackadaisical."

"They are risking everything by this 'go along with BP' strategy they have that seems like, lackadaisical on this," Carville told CNN's Anderson Cooper on Friday. "They seem like they're inconvenienced by this, this is some giant thing getting in their way and somehow or another, if you let BP handle it, it'll all go away. It's not going away. It's growing out there. It is a disaster of the first magnitude, and they've got to go to Plan B."
...

BP is doing what they can to try and mitigate an accident that probably no one could have anticipated. When is the last time an oil rig blew up and sank in mile deep water? Maybe the government needs to step in and get some NASA folks or their supposed experts that work for the folks overseeing oil well management and environmental concerns. Right now it looks like a lot of finger pointing, and very little incentive for anyone to do anything other than position themselves for the eventual, never-ending lawsuits coming their way.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 09:56PM

There's an enormous difference between "lackadaisical" and "un-American". The former expresses lack of seriousness, and the latter is just some stupid term used to rally a bunch of stupid white trash teabaggers.

If you yourself had to choose, would you call the remarks "lackidaisical" or "un-american"?

Apparently Rand Paul has decided this.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 22, 2010 10:14PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
>
> BP is doing what they can to try and mitigate an
> accident that probably no one could have
> anticipated. When is the last time an oil rig blew
> up and sank in mile deep water? Maybe the
> government needs to step in and get some NASA
> folks or their supposed experts that work for the
> folks overseeing oil well management and
> environmental concerns. Right now it looks like a
> lot of finger pointing, and very little incentive
> for anyone to do anything other than position
> themselves for the eventual, never-ending lawsuits
> coming their way.


When was the last time my house caught fire? Never? I guess I don't need home owners insurance, then.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:16PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> There's an enormous difference between
> "lackadaisical" and "un-American". The former
> expresses lack of seriousness, and the latter is
> just some stupid term used to rally a bunch of
> stupid white trash teabaggers.
>
> If you yourself had to choose, would you call the
> remarks "lackidaisical" or "un-american"?
>
> Apparently Rand Paul has decided this.

Really?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37273085/ns/politics-decision_2010/
Interior Secretary Ken Salazar told CNN on May 2: "Our job basically is to keep the boot on the neck of British Petroleum."

Barack Obama’s BP Brit-bashing could harm US-UK relations
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100040294/100040294/
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Could the Obama administration’s bashing of BP (or British Petroleum) over the Gulf oil spill harm relations between the White House and the new Cameron administration? I think there is a good chance it could. After all, a major British corporation, which employs 29,000 Americans, has been demonised by this administration with language that it would dare not use even against America’s worst enemies, such as Iran and North Korea. In addition, it is facing xenophobic calls from some Democrats on Capitol Hill to be banned altogether from operating in the United States, a petty form of protectionism which is fundamentally against the spirit of free trade which for centuries has helped drive the prosperity of both the United States and Great Britain.

The consequences for US-British relations should not be underestimated, and the White House should exercise caution before repeating its “boot on the throat” refrain, especially with new leadership in Downing Street that is more likely to respond forcefully than its predecessor.

...

The “boot on the throat” remark however, was beyond the pale, and symbolic of an arrogant, imperial-style presidency with a track record of disdain for US allies, as well as the private sector in general.

http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/rand_paul_obamas_criticism_of.html
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Kentucky's Republican Senate candidate Rand Paul criticized President Barack Obama's handling of the Gulf oil spill today as putting "his boot heel on the throat of BP" and "really un-American."

Paul's defense of the oil company came during an interview in which he tried to explain his controversial take on civil rights law, an issue that has overtaken his campaign since his victory in Tuesday's GOP primary.

"What I don't like from the president's administration is this sort of, 'I'll put my boot heel on the throat of BP,'" Rand said in an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America." ''I think that sounds really un-American in his criticism of business."

Paul appeared two days after a landslide primary victory over the Republican establishment's candidate, Trey Grayson. He had spent most of the time since his win laboring to explain remarks suggesting businesses be allowed to deny service to blacks without fear of federal interference. On Friday said he wouldn't seek to repeal civil rights legislation.

On the oil spill, Paul, a libertarian and tea party darling, said he had heard nothing from BP indicating it wouldn't pay for the spill that threatens devastating environmental damage along the coast of the Gulf of Mexico.

"And I think it's part of this sort of blame-game society in the sense that it's always got to be somebody's fault instead of the fact that maybe sometimes accidents happen," Paul said.
...

Take the soundbite - "Un-American" and it sounds like something else huh? In Context the statement is not so far out. He is pointing out - rightly so - that Obama has taken this very "anti-business" stance - in particular against one of the largest companies in Britain, let alone the folks they employ in the US. How about we get to the bottom of the reason the rig blew up, and also work on getting the oil contained and cleaned up, BEFORE we start making BP out to be the only bad guy here. And yes, maybe YES - it really was an unavoidable accident.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:17PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> When was the last time my house caught fire?
> Never? I guess I don't need home owners insurance,
> then.

Did you build your house on the Moon? That is about the equivalent of what we are talking about. Your analogy fails.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 22, 2010 10:20PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > When was the last time my house caught fire?
> > Never? I guess I don't need home owners
> insurance,
> > then.
>
> Did you build your house on the Moon? That is
> about the equivalent of what we are talking about.
> Your analogy fails.


Why would drilling for oil a mile underwater or 500 feet underwater result in BP not being to anticipate this kind of disaster? Maybe BP shouldn't be building houses on the Moon if they can't put out the fire.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:21PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > When was the last time my house caught fire?
> > > Never? I guess I don't need home owners
> > insurance,
> > > then.
> >
> > Did you build your house on the Moon? That is
> > about the equivalent of what we are talking
> about.
> > Your analogy fails.
>
>
> Why would drilling for oil a mile underwater or
> 500 feet underwater result in BP not being to
> anticipate this kind of disaster? Maybe BP
> shouldn't be building houses on the Moon if they
> can't put out the fire.

5000 feet? 1 Mile? Hello? Do you have any idea what the difference in pressure is at that depth?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 22, 2010 10:24PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> 5000 feet? 1 Mile? Hello? Do you have any idea
> what the difference in pressure is at that depth?


Yes. And that's my point. If BP can anticipate being able to stop a leak at 500 feet but can't anticipate being able to stop a leak at 1 mile, they shouldn't be drilling at 1 mile...at least until they CAN anticipate a fucking leak and fix it.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:31PM

Here you go:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=8261429&mesg_id=8261601
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If the crude oil has a specific gravity of 0.82 (and different crudes have varying spedific gravities) then the pressure at the bottom of a 5000' pipe filled with crude would be 0.82 x 2165 or 1775 psi.

Suppose however that the oil is at the bottom of a hole 8000 feet below sea level under 3000 more feet of rock with a specific gravity of 2.5. Now the total pressure of sea water plus rock overburden at the bottom of the hole could be:
2165 + (3/5)*2.5*2165 = 5412 PSI

However, the oil in the 8000 foot well would have a pressure of 8/5 * 1775 = 2840 PSI.

So there is a pressure differential of up to 5412 - 2840 = 2572 PSI available to push the oil up the well. Hence the blowout.

Now the above is not exact, since the pressure of the oil flowing out of the sand at the bottom of the well is not as much as the simple calculation would suggest, given that the rock is stiff and there is resistance to flow through the sand or rock to reach the well.

But that is the general idea.

During drilling, the well is supposed to be filled with a dense "drilling mud" in order to overcome the pressure of the oil under the weight of the rock.

Not to mention the 12000+ feet of rock between the ocean floor and the oil.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/05/04/bp-begins-drilling-relief-gulf-oil-spill/

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2010/may/04/surgery-8212-by-remote-control-5000-feet-under/
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...
Salvin noted that about 3,000 feet of water can crush a Navy submarine. Jason Holvey, a marine engineer, said smaller containment devices have been used in the Gulf, but at depths of only about 300 feet.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:35PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> Yes. And that's my point. If BP can anticipate
> being able to stop a leak at 500 feet but can't
> anticipate being able to stop a leak at 1 mile,
> they shouldn't be drilling at 1 mile...at least
> until they CAN anticipate a fucking leak and fix
> it.

Really? THAT was your point? LOL

Maybe you should talk to the government regulators that allowed for it to happen, that signed off on safety measures. Shouldn't they have done their own research to determine if the safety concerns were being adequately addressed? Maybe the Federal government could have done a better job anticipating the risks?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 22, 2010 10:50PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> He is pointing out - rightly so
> - that Obama has taken this very "anti-business"
> stance - in particular against one of the largest
> companies in Britain,

Yup, it's totally "anti-american" to talk tough about a foreign-owned corporation fucking us up. Especially a company from England.

Maybe next the tea-baggers will revert back to rescinding the Monroe Doctrine.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: May 23, 2010 07:48AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>
> Really? THAT was your point? LOL
>
> Maybe you should talk to the government regulators
> that allowed for it to happen, that signed off on
> safety measures. Shouldn't they have done their
> own research to determine if the safety concerns
> were being adequately addressed? Maybe the Federal
> government could have done a better job
> anticipating the risks?


Yes, it should of. It didn't because of what the Republicans did to regulations while they controlled Congress. The guy in charge of the agency responsible was a Bush holdover because the Republicans have been stonewalling Obama's picks for office.

As for the information you posted, it sounds like drilling at that depth makes a blowout much more likely. So this bullshit that BP couldn't anticipate it happening is just that...bullshit.

Besides, when Rand Paul says "accidents happen," he is correct. I don't think the issue here is that this accident happened. I think the issue is BP had no plan to respond to this accident happening. Are we all supposed to throw our hands in the air and say, "Oh well. BP can't stop this leak. We'll just let it spill out and kill everything in the gulf." Because that's what it sounds like he's saying.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 23, 2010 10:05AM

You can point fingers at Bush or Obama...but you are ignoring the big picture...the train wreck called Govt Oversight has been heading in the wrong direction since the Reagan years. Republican gutted Govt Oversite programs everywhere. In the meantime experts that once came to work for the Govt do not see a viable permanent career. Those that do work for the Govt see their long term loyalty to the industry...not We the People. If we statrted today to re-regulate it would take years to turn this train wreck around. Good going Republicans!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: statement ()
Date: November 03, 2010 02:01AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm glad we are having this discussion. Paul
> should get 25% of the vote come November.


yet, he didn't, tard

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: November 03, 2010 06:30AM

Clear prediction failure. That is what happens when you believe every tweet that emits from DailyKos.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: November 03, 2010 07:04AM

Palin and the Tea Party cost the Republicans the Senate. Aqua Buddha pulled this one out. But it will be interesting to see how long before Paul falls out with the RNC agenda or falls in line. Either way, it will be a rude awakening for the Tea Baggers.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 03, 2010 08:15AM

IF Paul is anything like his pop, he should bring some much needed "teachable moments" to Washington. He is against the Iraq War and other overseas nation-building ventures and has taled about having the principles to slice budgets mercilessly.


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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 03, 2010 08:22AM

Finally we have a politician who will stand up and fight against the tyranny of the Civil Rights Act.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 03, 2010 08:34AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Finally we have a politician who will stand up and
> fight against the tyranny of the Civil Rights Act.

Couldn't get around the intellectual argument of private property vs. what the government can tell you to do? Did you hear him say he'd have voted for the act?

Meeper, go to your bookmarks and DELETE huffingtonpost.com, dailykos.com and stop watching MSNBC, they're just as bad as Fox.


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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: November 03, 2010 08:58AM

WingNut Wrote:
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>
> the intellectual argument of private property vs. what the government

Yeah, Kentucky's really a place known for stuff like "intellectual arguments", not stuff like "back of the bus" or signs that say "Whites Only".

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: -SBS-_ ()
Date: November 03, 2010 09:08AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Palin and the Tea Party cost the Republicans the
> Senate. Aqua Buddha pulled this one out. But it
> will be interesting to see how long before Paul
> falls out with the RNC agenda or falls in line.
> Either way, it will be a rude awakening for the
> Tea Baggers.

I would argue that the Tea Party in fact helped to energize a measureable percentage of the Republican voters, which in turn contributed as much to Republican victories as the Tea Party did to Democratic victories.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: WingNut ()
Date: November 03, 2010 09:09AM

So you really don't know what he said and you're repeating a soundbite.

Come on Meeper, you're better than that.


TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > the intellectual argument of private property
> vs. what the government
>
> Yeah, Kentucky's really a place known for stuff
> like "intellectual arguments", not stuff like
> "back of the bus" or signs that say "Whites Only".


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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Date: November 03, 2010 09:33AM

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Palin and the Tea Party cost the Republicans
> the
> > Senate. Aqua Buddha pulled this one out. But it
> > will be interesting to see how long before Paul
> > falls out with the RNC agenda or falls in line.
> > Either way, it will be a rude awakening for the
> > Tea Baggers.
>
> I would argue that the Tea Party in fact helped to
> energize a measureable percentage of the
> Republican voters, which in turn contributed as
> much to Republican victories as the Tea Party did
> to Democratic victories.


You could argue that, but you would be wrong. If more moderate candidates had taken the Senate nominations in Nevada and Delaware, the GOP would have had a better chance of taking the Senate, too.

Now I expect to see the Tea Party and RNC come to blows over the next two years as they realize they can't work together.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Britdrnva~ ()
Date: November 03, 2010 09:37AM

Hey I voted libertarian yesterday - woo! My vote was one of the 4,500 cast for Redpath. Though I don't espouse much of the libertarian philosophy I actually have to agree with WingNut we need more "teachable moments". The Dems/Reps suck, though I think the Reps suck more they are both basically the same miserable party.

Anyway, now we have two more years of nothing going on with our government - except gridlock, finger-pointing and tantrums - sarcastic yay!

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: -SBS-_ ()
Date: November 03, 2010 10:04AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> You could argue that, but you would be wrong. If
> more moderate candidates had taken the Senate
> nominations in Nevada and Delaware, the GOP would
> have had a better chance of taking the Senate,
> too.
>

Granted, with more moderate candidates, Nevada and Delaware may have gone red. However, look at Wisconsin, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. Margin of victory for the Republicans was 5%, 2%, and 2% respectively. With a smaller, less energized Republican voter turnout, they could have gone blue.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: November 03, 2010 10:05AM

Britdrnva~ Wrote:
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> Hey I voted libertarian yesterday - woo! My vote
> was one of the 4,500 cast for Redpath. Though I
> don't espouse much of the libertarian philosophy I
> actually have to agree with WingNut we need more
> "teachable moments". The Dems/Reps suck, though I
> think the Reps suck more they are both basically
> the same miserable party.
>
> Anyway, now we have two more years of nothing
> going on with our government - except gridlock,
> finger-pointing and tantrums - sarcastic yay!

Exactly. The two major parties are too busy fighting each other to get anything done for the rest of us.

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Date: November 03, 2010 10:11AM


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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: November 03, 2010 10:13AM

Won't be long before he introduces legislation that the church of Aqua Buddha to be tax free.



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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: November 03, 2010 05:59PM

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > You could argue that, but you would be wrong.
> If
> > more moderate candidates had taken the Senate
> > nominations in Nevada and Delaware, the GOP
> would
> > have had a better chance of taking the Senate,
> > too.
> >
>
> Granted, with more moderate candidates, Nevada and
> Delaware may have gone red. However, look at
> Wisconsin, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. Margin of
> victory for the Republicans was 5%, 2%, and 2%
> respectively. With a smaller, less energized
> Republican voter turnout, they could have gone
> blue.


The Republican voter turnout was abnormally huge in my precinct.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: megaman ()
Date: November 03, 2010 11:39PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Palin and the Tea Party cost the Republicans the
> Senate. Aqua Buddha pulled this one out. But it
> will be interesting to see how long before Paul
> falls out with the RNC agenda or falls in line.
> Either way, it will be a rude awakening for the
> Tea Baggers.


Yet, Paul got well over the 25% you predicted. Where does that leave you? Still retarded.

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Re: Rand Paul...Let the Crazy Begin
Posted by: scott tenorman ()
Date: November 03, 2010 11:43PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> WingNut Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----
> >
> > the intellectual argument of private property
> vs. what the government
>
> Yeah, Kentucky's really a place known for stuff
> like "intellectual arguments", not stuff like
> "back of the bus" or signs that say "Whites Only".

Can you bottle up those tears of defeat for me? Cause I want to bottle up those sweet tears of unfathomable sadness.

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