Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Other than the "hype" surrounding this law, it
> specifies little, if anything different from what
> is already being done in practice in hundreds of
> law enforcement areas in the country. Some of them
> do it if they arrest a person, some of them do it
> to anyone they have "lawful contact" with (as this
> law specifies). Usually the indicator would be -
> when you ask them for their license (after they
> have been pulled over) they fail to produce one,
> or have a suspended license from another state. I
> don't believe it says they are thrown in jail
> because of this - just that they can have their
> status checked with ICE.
>
>
http://www.investorvillage.com/smbd.asp?mb=3666&mi
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>
> ...
> Contrary to the talk, it is a reasonable, limited,
> carefully-crafted measure designed to help law
> enforcement deal with a serious problem in
> Arizona. Its authors anticipated criticism and
> went to great lengths to make sure it is
> constitutional and will hold up in court. It is
> the criticism of the law that is over the top, not
> the law itself.
>
> The law requires police to check with federal
> authorities on a person's immigration status, if
> officers have stopped that person for some
> legitimate reason and come to suspect that he or
> she might be in the U.S. illegally. The heart of
> the law is this provision: "For any lawful contact
> made by a law enforcement official or a law
> enforcement agency where reasonable suspicion
> exists that the person is an alien who is
> unlawfully present in the United States, a
> reasonable attempt shall be made, when
> practicable, to determine the immigration status
> of the person."
>
> Critics have focused on the term "reasonable
> suspicion" to suggest that the law would give
> police the power to pick anyone out of a crowd for
> any reason and force them to prove they are in the
> U.S. legally. Some foresee mass civil rights
> violations targeting Hispanics. What fewer people
> have noticed is the phrase "lawful contact," which
> defines what must be going on before police even
> think about checking immigration status.
>
> "That means the officer is already engaged in some
> detention of an individual because he's violated
> some other law," says Kris Kobach, a University of
> Missouri Kansas City Law School professor who
> helped draft the measure. "The most likely context
> where this law would come into play is a traffic
> stop."
>
> As far as "reasonable suspicion" is concerned,
> there is a great deal of case law dealing with the
> idea, but in immigration matters, it means a
> combination of circumstances that, taken together,
> cause the officer to suspect lawbreaking. It's not
> race -- Arizona's new law specifically says race
> and ethnicity cannot be the sole factors in
> determining a reasonable suspicion.
>
> For example: "Arizona already has a state law on
> human smuggling," says Kobach. "An officer stops a
> group of people in a car that is speeding. The car
> is overloaded. Nobody had identification. The
> driver acts evasively. They are on a known
> smuggling corridor." That is a not uncommon
> occurrence in Arizona, and any officer would
> reasonably suspect that the people in the car were
> illegal. Under the new law, the officer would get
> in touch with U.S. Immigration and Customs
> Enforcement to check on their status.
>
> But what if the driver of the car had shown the
> officer his driver's license? The law clearly says
> that if someone produces a valid Arizona driver's
> license, or other state-issued identification,
> they are presumed to be here legally. There's no
> reasonable suspicion.
>
> Is having to produce a driver's license too
> burdensome? These days, natural-born U.S.
> citizens, and everybody else, too, are required to
> show a driver's license to get on an airplane, to
> check into a hotel, even to purchase some
> over-the-counter allergy medicines. If it's a
> burden, it's a burden on everyone.
> ...
>
>
> They cannot just walk up to you on the street and
> demand you show identification.
Any "lawful contact"...then allows law enforcement to question you on your legal status.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.