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‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: herald ()
Date: February 16, 2020 11:00AM

the former bishop of Hong Kong — has been a vocal critic of the Vatican’s rapprochement with the CCP, insisting that Pope Francis is “naïve” in dealing with a country he knows little about.

“The pope doesn’t know much about China. And he may have some sympathy for the Communists, because in South America, the Communists are good guys, they suffer for social justice,” Zen told Catholic News Agency (CNA). “But not the [Chinese] Communists. They are persecutors.”

“The Vatican is helping the government, surrendering, giving everything into their hands,” Zen said.

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The churches in China and Hong Kong were never under-ground.

Some chinese politicians have been indicted on charges of using "goons" to prevent children from going to church with the "long term goal of getting the land for free".

The report above seems to say the Church surrendered all it's land to china - I guarantee the land was all payed for, so if the Chinese seize it, there will be hell to pay.

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Re: ‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: herald ()
Date: February 16, 2020 11:04AM

https://catholicherald.co.uk/news/2020/02/15/the-vatican-lost-everything-got-nothing-an-interview-with-cardinal-zen/

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/02/16/cardinal-zen-vatican-is-giving-everything-to-chinas-communists/

neither article says specifically land was seized, however, the chinese "have asked for complete authority" over the church and asked for documents to be signed that they do have complete authority

TO ME, and looking at asians in the USA continually try to steal church land ... THAT IS A CLEAR CUT CASE of grabbing church land

(you see - i doubt china is trying to split from the church to run it's own church - china intends to take the land in the future and believes the church will not fight back)

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Re: ‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: herald ()
Date: February 16, 2020 11:13AM

this may become a matter where the chinese claim that signing the agreement "gave them control of the land", which of course they will write legislation to use to the advantage of the political party's wealth

why else would the chinese want a church to sign documents? they are for the bank.

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Re: ‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: k ()
Date: February 16, 2020 10:39PM

the Catholic Church is not "underground" in china

the Buildings are wide and high for all in the area to see

the buildings were paid for in every legal way

the asians are lying about history - as usual

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Re: ‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: pervs ()
Date: February 17, 2020 09:51AM

Would you like to see the pope on the end of a rope?
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Re: ‘The Vatican surrendered everything, got nothing, in deal with china’ bishop says. Claims the church in china "is underground" (which is a lie)
Posted by: ooijsdf ()
Date: February 17, 2020 01:57PM

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that makes me feel guilty all the time - we have to make a law against it

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