...if he's omnipotent and invulnerable, why doesn't he quit wasting time going after low-level gangsters and bank robbers and really solve all the world's problems? Why doesn't Superman leave the bank robbers and mobsters to the local authorities and go clean out Hamas, or Al Qaida? Where was Superman on 9/11?! Where was he during Pearl Harbor?! Where was he during the Holocaust?!? MILLIONS of jews died....and he didn't do SHIT! He should have been tried at Nuremberg for that! Superman could end this war on terror in one fell swoop. He could do the United States' bidding....he could topple Kim Jong-Il and the Taliban and Castro, all in five minutes flat. What the fuck is Superman's problem? Why doesn't he leave Metropolis once in a while? He could stop earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis.....he could have prevented Hurricane Katrina, just by standing by the levees and blowing with his super-breath. And even now, he could just reverse the earth's rotation and go back to stop it if he wanted to. Obviously, he doesn't have any interest. Either Superman is the world's biggest asshole, or he's mentally retarded and doesn't comprehend the extent of his own powers. Somebody should do something about this.

instead, THIS is the kind of shit he wastes his time with--playing homo-erotic see-saw with Batman and Robin. Batman has an excuse, at least...he can't do shit. He's just a glorified vigilante. The Green Arrow can't do shit but shoot arrows...Wonder Woman has an invisible jet--what the fuck?!...Superman, on the other hand, has no excuse. Nietzche was wrong...God's not dead...God is Superman, and he is FUCKING OUT TO LUNCH!

...why does Superman let bad things happen to good people...?



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> ...if he's omnipotent and invulnerable, why
> doesn't he quit wasting time going after low-level
> gangsters and bank robbers and really solve all
> the world's problems? Why doesn't Superman leave
> the bank robbers and mobsters to the local
> authorities and go clean out Hamas, or Al Qaida?
> Where was Superman on 9/11?! Where was he during
> Pearl Harbor?! Where was he during the
> Holocaust?!? MILLIONS of jews died....and he
> didn't do SHIT! He should have been tried at
> Nuremberg for that! Superman could end this war on
> terror in one fell swoop. He could do the United
> States' bidding....he could topple Kim Jong-Il and
> the Taliban and Castro, all in five minutes flat.
> What the fuck is Superman's problem? Why doesn't
> he leave Metropolis once in a while? He could stop
> earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis.....he could have
> prevented Hurricane Katrina, just by standing by
> the levees and blowing with his super-breath. And
> even now, he could just reverse the earth's
> rotation and go back to stop it if he wanted to.
> Obviously, he doesn't have any interest. Either
> Superman is the world's biggest asshole, or he's
> mentally retarded and doesn't comprehend the
> extent of his own powers. Somebody should do
> something about this.
>
> instead, THIS is the kind of shit he wastes his
> time with--playing homo-erotic see-saw with Batman
> and Robin. Batman has an excuse, at least...he
> can't do shit. He's just a glorified vigilante.
> The Green Arrow can't do shit but shoot
> arrows...Wonder Woman has an invisible jet--what
> the fuck?!...Superman, on the other hand, has no
> excuse. Nietzche was wrong...God's not dead...God
> is Superman, and he is FUCKING OUT TO LUNCH!


And why is all the bad shit happening in metropolis?

Didn't he throw all the nuclear missiles in the sun back in the 80s? It made some radioactive man thing. BTW, that was the worst Superman movie ever.

Superman is the least interesting character ever. His comics always sucked, because how do you fight a guy who's invincible....fuck that, he's not just invincible--he's god-like. He should be the world's biggest humanitarian....no one's going to take Superman on...except maybe Batman, wearing a suit made out of kryptonite. The Dark Knight Returns is brilliant because it perfectly encapsulates what Superman REALLY represents--unchecked totalitarian power and fascism. The message of Superman is plain and simple--if you're the biggest, toughest, strongest kid on the block, then the world is yours for the taking. It's just by coincidence that Superman is on our side.....if he had crash-landed in the Soviet Union in the 50's, it would be a very different story. Because Superman is not an intellectual...he doesn't think for himself...there's no real motive behind Superman other than "I'm strong, so I can stop you". All in all, he does make for the perfect American Hero in that way.

Terrible.

Batman, on the other hand, represents something real. Batman is about justice--not just mindless, fascist brute force. You get the feeling Batman wouldn't just do as he's told, like Superman would....he has principles, and convictions.

Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> Superman is the least interesting character ever.
> His comics always sucked, because how do you fight
> a guy who's invincible....fuck that, he's not just
> invincible--he's god-like. He should be the
> world's biggest humanitarian....no one's going to
> take Superman on...except maybe Batman, wearing a
> suit made out of kryptonite. The Dark Knight
> Returns is brilliant because it perfectly
> encapsulates what Superman REALLY
> represents--unchecked totalitarian power and
> fascism. The message of Superman is plain and
> simple--if you're the biggest, toughest, strongest
> kid on the block, then the world is yours for the
> taking. It's just by coincidence that Superman is
> on our side.....if he had crash-landed in the
> Soviet Union in the 50's, it would be a very
> different story. Because Superman is not an
> intellectual...he doesn't think for
> himself...there's no real motive behind Superman
> other than "I'm strong, so I can stop you". All in
> all, he does make for the perfect American Hero in
> that way.
>
> Terrible.
>
> Batman, on the other hand, represents something
> real. Batman is about justice--not just mindless,
> fascist brute force. You get the feeling Batman
> wouldn't just do as he's told, like Superman
> would....he has principles, and convictions.


I've always liked both, but I think I was a little more heavily into Batman as a kid. My interest in Batman resurfaced after the latest two movies, which in my view completely revamped the entire franchise.

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Lois Lane was interesting.

In love with Superman, she treats Clark Kent with indifference.

Superman represents the ESTABLISHMENT, man! Superman is a narc! If Superman was real, you can bet your bottom dollar he'd be a puppet of the United States government--we would use him as a weapon, a threat, a bargaining chip-- to dominate the world. And he'd fall right in line. Superman is a CHUMP!
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> Batman has an excuse, at least...he
> can't do shit. He's just a glorified vigilante.

You shut your filthy fucking whore mouth.

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> Superman represents the ESTABLISHMENT, man!
> Superman is a narc! If Superman was real, you can
> bet your bottom dollar he'd be a puppet of the
> United States government--we would use him as a
> weapon, a threat, a bargaining chip-- to dominate
> the world. And he'd fall right in line. Superman
> is a CHUMP!


I don't really see the difference in Batman and Superman, aside from the obvious superpowers. They both lead duel lives, are pussy whipped, and have arch-enemies they seem unable to destroy.

Superman is boring. He's a god-like man who, over the life of his comic, could hardly ever be defeated, only weakened by some green rock.

Batman is way cooler. An intellectual vigilante who gets shit done when the broken system can't. He's a man. He's not bulletproof, can't fly, doesn't shoot xray or heat beams out of his eye, or whatever.

Both of them never just killed their fucking enemies. You'd think after battling the Joker or Lex Luther for over 50 years, they'd be like "I'm fucking tired of sending your ass to jail, only to have you get out in 6 months and bother me some more, so....BLAM!"

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> Superman is boring. He's a god-like man who, over
> the life of his comic, could hardly ever be
> defeated, only weakened by some green rock.
>


+1 Also, his cover is a boring worker bee that works for a newspaper. Batman lives in a huge ass mansion and practically owns Gotham City.

depends on which version of Batman you're talking about. The original Bob Kane version killed people....then the comics code crackdown happened and he started playing gay see-saw with Superman and Robin....then there's Frank Miller's Batman, who killed the shit out of people and kicked Superman's ass. Then he had a heart attack.

This is why I've always been a Marvel guy...for the most part, DC's characters are these Superman-like omnipotent beings who come from different planets and from Atlantis, or from some other dimension or far-off land. Most Marvel characters are from New York--right away, it's more relatable. They have real problems. I've always found The Hulk to be one of the most compelling superheroes, because right off the bat, you have an intense inner conflict. That's a good character. An invincible Mr. Perfect from some other planet is not. And he can't see through lead?! Why not?! That's just stupid!

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> Both of them never just killed their fucking
> enemies. You'd think after battling the Joker or
> Lex Luther for over 50 years, they'd be like "I'm
> fucking tired of sending your ass to jail, only to
> have you get out in 6 months and bother me some
> more, so....BLAM!"

That's the very thing that defines the Batman/Joker rivalry. Joker contends that Batman is just as crazy as he is. If Batman ever killed the Joker, he'd be proving him right.

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They all exhibit signs of latent homosexuality.

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latent, you say?
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Okay. Maybe overt. I mean, short of them whipping it out and pounding each other in the ass, all signs point to gay.

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This dude had it right. They are trying to make teh gays out of all of us!



Batman wants YOU to be his "Dick" Grayson.

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They were trying to teach morals. IE - killing = bad. That was why heroes are always so tortured - they were showing how their inner struggle to NOT kill the asshole - despite all the evils they had done - tore at their belief that killing was wrong.

Superman didn't have to kill folks because they couldn't kill him. So he kept doggedly tossing their ass back into the legal system in the hopes that they could be judged and dealt with by human beings, rather then him just squishing their heads like ripe melons and ending the issue. That way the humans don't think he is lording it over them - his intent was never to rule folks, but if they got the impression he would just kill all the bad guys, he would end up becoming a defacto God of mortals. Superman was the one who always had to deal with the other folks with SUPERHUMAN strength and abilities. On occasion he would get the Lex Luthor types, but otherwise he got all the super weirdos.

Batman on the other hand was a man of the people. So as a man, it was easier for him to go down a road where he might once in a while kill someone as part of his duties. His goal was never to kill anyone, and he wore and used devices to enhance his uberness and protect himself - but he could have been killed at any time by getting crushed with a truck, etc. Most of his enemies were of normal (human) strengths and weaknesses, they just had more nefarious plots, or toys to try and destroy the world with.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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The great thing about the Bat-Man (as he was originally called) was that creators Bob Kane and Bill Finger were among the first to add human and realistic dimensions to their hero. He could do what he did financially because he was rich. He didn't have super powers, but made up for it through training and tools. He was motivated more by revenge than some altruistic concept of "being a hero." He often wrestles with his actions. He hides his identity because it would cost him if he didn't.

These were fairly advanced concepts back in the 1940s. Even though some of that was lost in the late 40s until the 70s when he became Batman, the original foundation was set by Kane and Finger at the start.

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Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> depends on which version of Batman you're talking
> about. The original Bob Kane version killed
> people....then the comics code crackdown happened
> and he started playing gay see-saw with Superman
> and Robin....then there's Frank Miller's Batman,
> who killed the shit out of people and kicked
> Superman's ass. Then he had a heart attack.



He faked the heart attack.

Oh and he's gay.
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My favorite is Green Arrow

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Uhhhh, ya mean Green Lantern?

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No there was a Green Arrow. Had the soul patch/pedo stache thing going on, dressed in green with an archer's cap. Definitely a C-list superhero like Daredevil, Ghost Rider, or Thor.

Interestingly enough Colin Cowherd (ESPN radio) is having a superhero/supervillian bracket. Right now it's looking like a final four of Superman, Batman, Lex Luthor and The Joker. Although Wolverine is giving Batman a close race.

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I never understood the appeal of the Green Arrow. How many instances are there going to be when shooting an arrow is going to be more advantageous than being a cop with a 9 mm and body armor?

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> I never understood the appeal of the Green Arrow.
> How many instances are there going to be when
> shooting an arrow is going to be more advantageous
> than being a cop with a 9 mm and body armor?

Oh, he has more than plain ol' arrows. He's got exploding arrows, sonic arrows, boomerang arrows, boxing glove arrows, bullet arrows, curving arrows, homing arrows, EMP arrows, zip-line arrows, glue arrows, etc.

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That's a lot of arrows to look through. I wonder if he ever shot the wrong arrow when he was under extreme duress...

He must have one hell of an organizational system.

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> Oh, he has more than plain ol' arrows. He's got
> exploding arrows, sonic arrows, boomerang arrows,
> boxing glove arrows, bullet arrows, curving
> arrows, homing arrows, EMP arrows, zip-line
> arrows, glue arrows, etc.

Well, duh. That's why he was a superhero. Plus, his aim was as good as Bullseye's, except only with... Y'know... Bows and arrows.

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huh? Well who the hell are you, man? Isaac fucking Newton?

Yes.

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Dominant male monkey mother fucker.

I like the c-list heroes, they were loners who never needing anyone, broke rules and did what they damn well pleased

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