serious question Wrote:
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> Hey OP, will you at least admit that niggers are
> the missing link between chimps and humans. Can
> we not all agree on that at least?


If you actually took the time to learn about evolution you would know that human and chimps have a common ancestor. That is far different than humans being descended from chimps.

Here is a question for you.

Did Noah bring a pair of black on the Ark with two of every animal or was he smart enough to know they were human?

Not me...the OP.

I don't dignify such garbage with a response, other than to disclaim any association with it.

I was raised Catholic, but I grew tired on being molested.

Why are Catholic priests so darned horny?

Ex Catholic Wrote:
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> I was raised Catholic, but I grew tired on being
> molested.
>
> Why are Catholic priests so darned horny?

I know I posted this joke on this forum before, but it is too good.


Q: How do you get a nun pregnant?

A: Dress her up like an altar boy.

This all kind of fizzled out as soon as the oP started with all the anger and name calling. Too bad because the original questions were interesting. I appreciate many of the well thought out sincere answers and I have to re-assert one sentence paragraphs are simply not worth reading unless they are numbered or at least bulleted. I havent read the latest but I get the gist - Religion is hypocritical and unscientific. Those positions are valid yet do not extinguish the value of faith..

Pastor Don Wrote:
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> This all kind of fizzled out as soon as the oP
> started with all the anger and name calling. Too
> bad because the original questions were
> interesting. I appreciate many of the well
> thought out sincere answers and I have to
> re-assert one sentence paragraphs are simply not
> worth reading unless they are numbered or at least
> bulleted. I havent read the latest but I get the
> gist - Religion is hypocritical and unscientific.
> Those positions are valid yet do not extinguish
> the value of faith..

Dude, I am the OP and not once will you find anger and name calling in any of my posts.

Typical of many god folk, you may have that problem of making stuff up out of thin air.

I do know for certain you never really attempted to answer any of my questions or engage in any serious dialogue regarding some of my points.

You seemed more concerned with my paragraph structure (or lack thereof) and inexplicably, conflated my questions regarding current beliefs and an interesting hypothetical with "parables"

All of this may just be more examples of "dodges".

And you might even possibly know you're dodging, you've been doing it, and getting away with it, for so long.

Kind of sad.

Are you really a pastor?

Donny, this might be an interesting exercise for you, as you seem to be some self anointed sentence and paragraph structure expert, but take my post above, without changing the content, and put into paragraphs.

Is it really that hard for you to read?

It is mainly a list of stand alone thoughts, with questions interspersed.

Better than the "walls of text" that so often find their way onto FFXU.

But really...are you that flummoxed by it?

Kind of follows the bible structure in some ways.

Again, not interested in reading your unstructured prose. Have a great night friend.

So, let me get this straight, Donny...you claim not to read my "prose", yet somehow, you make counter-arguments...weak and misguided, but counter-arguments nonetheless.

Then, you accuse me of being angry and resorting to name calling.

All this without reading my prose?

Wow...what other stuff can you make up out of thin air? Oh, maybe your whole belief in a deity?

Are you a real pastor?

So, keep not reading my prose, and we'll chat again tomorrow. I'll give you more stuff not to read.

I told you, I read the first sentence, sometimes I scan a few others but no, not since your initial post (maybe one post after) have I read all the single lines you list. I did answer your initial post in thoughtful detail. From what I can glean thereafter it seems you may be unwilling or unable to grasp what I have to offer. You seem unsatisfied with almost any reply but I cannot say for sure as I dont read your complete posts.

Have a peaceful evening friend.

I didn't read what you just wrote.

It just looks like a long line of text.

Maybe try breaking it up a little better.

And, you're making a mighty big assumption/presumption with this "friend" business, but clearly you seem OK making assumptions and presumptions.

Keep not reading what I write.

So, going on 3 days now, over 300 views and 100 posts, and I see maybe one honest attempt at discussing the 4 or 5 serious questions or topics that have been posted herein.

The vast majority of the responses have been the "F*** you's", the "you are a low IQ ass-hat" and "I can't read your posts because you use sentences instead of paragraphs"...and then, a few "you have to believe in order to believe. Then you'll believe, and then you'll be a believer" religious type mumbo jumbo answers.

I have no idea who the respondents are, so it would make no sense for me to call them names, attack their IQ's, etc.

But, as I suspected, no matter how much someone "claims" to believe, they will always start the shimmy-shake dodge when you ask them certain questions about their belief that they just have no real answer for.

The dodge can come in many forms, as witnessed herein.

If you created a world full of suffering and evil, would you want your victims to know where to find you? The existence of pleasure does not nullify evil as a truly omnipotent diety could make a world that is only good. So either god is not omnipotent or god is evil.. the most logical explanation for an evil diety creating a few good things is to string his victims along long enough to inflict more suffering.

Kinda goes along with a post natural disaster TV interview...think hurricae or tornado or forest fire...

Some redneck family gets "spared" and everyone is all like, "thank god for saving us...it's a miracle! Without god's grace, we would have been doomed!"

Meanwhile...what about the 100 or so people that died, including infants, etc?

Then, it's all like, god works in mysterious ways, and maybe he needed a few more angels...

God works in mysterious ways?

Or, happenstance works in mysterious ways, and dumb rednecks are more than happy to call that "god".

Too many rabbit holes. Too many crazy ivans. This thread, like all like this, was lost before the first post.

AntiGodist homosexual OP: Why is A?
Godist straight response: Because of B
AntiGodist homosexual OP: I don't like that answer, but what about C?

Examples of said rabbit holes and crazy ivans-

Example 1
AntiGodist homosexual OP: how can happen?
Godist straight person: God is not bound by .
AntiGodist homosexual OP: That's a dodge. But what about Hitler?

Example 2
Deist agnostic: There is no scientific evidence of the existence of God.
Godist straight person: Actually, there are dozens of books supporting just that, most written by scientists.
Deist agnostic: Scientific books by scientist can't be trusted, what do they know?

And they wonder why no one posts in these threads after a day or two.

Oh yeah...I forgot about those "dodges"

1. The old "NOBODY cares what you are posting"...the "I am now the spokesperson for the entire FFXU" claim to authority

2. The old "I don't care what you are posting at all"...says the guy that keeps reading and keeps posting how much he, and nobody else, cares. Kinda like the guy that will make a u-turn and cut across 5 lanes of traffic to yell at someone "nobody cares what you are wearing today!"

3. The old..."no one posts in these threads after a day or two" says the guy who posts on a 3 day old thread. Kinda like that old comedian quote "nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded".

4. And then, your post, Mr/Mrs upside down question mark person...the old "complete and utter nonsense post as an answer to any previous post".

In other words...just what in the hell are you talking about?

Just trying to explain to Pastor Don why this thread petered out friend. No need to go into one of your frothing rants.

god shur is mysterious Wrote:
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> Kinda goes along with a post natural disaster TV
> interview...think hurricae or tornado or forest
> fire...
>
> Some redneck family gets "spared" and everyone is
> all like, "thank god for saving us...it's a
> miracle! Without god's grace, we would have been
> doomed!"
>
> Meanwhile...what about the 100 or so people that
> died, including infants, etc?
>
> Then, it's all like, god works in mysterious ways,
> and maybe he needed a few more angels...
>
> God works in mysterious ways?
>
> Or, happenstance works in mysterious ways, and
> dumb rednecks are more than happy to call that
> "god".

The starting point needs to be what kind of god you believe in.

God the Big Picture Guy Wrote:
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> god shur is mysterious Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Kinda goes along with a post natural disaster
> TV
> > interview...think hurricae or tornado or forest
> > fire...
> >
> > Some redneck family gets "spared" and everyone
> is
> > all like, "thank god for saving us...it's a
> > miracle! Without god's grace, we would have
> been
> > doomed!"
> >
> > Meanwhile...what about the 100 or so people
> that
> > died, including infants, etc?
> >
> > Then, it's all like, god works in mysterious
> ways,
> > and maybe he needed a few more angels...
> >
> > God works in mysterious ways?
> >
> > Or, happenstance works in mysterious ways, and
> > dumb rednecks are more than happy to call that
> > "god".
>
> The starting point needs to be what kind of god
> you believe in.

So, what do you believe?

That there is more than one "god" to choose from?

Is there in fact, a "god" that is truly the maker of heaven and earth, and one that maintains a heaven and hell for the afterlife of humans?

Honestly, when I see a statement like "what kind of god you believe in" that would suggest to me that you feel that "gods" are merely a figment of an individual's imagination.

If not, if they are truly in fact "real", doesn't the idea that there are multiple gods to choose from suggest they are not real, because central to many gods is the claim they are the one and only god?

I'd be interested to know what you believe about the existence of god(s).

OK, a question or two tho Wrote:
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> If not, if they are truly in fact "real", doesn't
> the idea that there are multiple gods to choose
> from suggest they are not real, because central to
> many gods is the claim they are the one and only
> god?
>
> I'd be interested to know what you believe about
> the existence of god(s).


The biggest difference between the Christian and an atheist is the atheist believes in one less god.

God lover Wrote:
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> Ok, an argument often heard for the existence of
> god is "something can't come from nothing", which
> I guess means, something, or somebody had to start
> the whole thing that became our universe.
>
> Questions:
>
> 1. How do we know what "nothing" is? Since it is
> nothing, it has never been seen or experienced.
>
> 2. If in fact something can't come from nothing,
> well...where did god come from? Certainly couldn't
> have come from nothing...so, how does this
> argument prove god started it all...that would
> mean he came from...nothing.
>
> Oh, wow!
>
> Makes my head hurt!
>
> It is OK to say..."I don't know". It is NOT ok to
> say..."I don't know...therefore, god!"
>
> OK, go!
>
> And remember, no name calling! Dear sweet jezus
> wouldn't like that, plus, it makes no sense to
> call an anonymous person names.


Demands no name calling then refers to Jesus Christ as 'Dear sweet jezus.'


Cannot get respect if you refuse to give it.


You are deeply disrespectful of the very people you seek answers from.


You could start fresh by apologizing.






_

And, the old..."I'm deeply offended, therefore, I won't answer any questions" dodge.

An oldie but a goody!

Man...you should see the names they called me!

I call him jezus...works for me. If you believe, then you are a believer.

Try calling him jezus, maybe it will work for you as well.

I didnt say I was offended - I am not.

What I said was you were deeply disrespectful of 'God Guys' who are Christian.

Ohmigod!

Another dodge!

The old..let's slice and dice and mince the S*** outta words and meaning and intent until they have no meaning whatsoever!

OK...so, instead of saying, And the old..."I'm deeply offended, therefore, I won't answer any questions" dodge, perhaps I should have labeled it "I feel deeply DISRESPECTED, therefore, I won't answer any questions" dodge.

Or, maybe it is the "You were deeply disrespectful of 'God Guys' who are christian, therefore, on their behalf, I won't answer any questions" dodge.

Whatever.

You made the point that someone was "disrespectful", and it is not a stretch of logic to conclude that if someone was "disrespected", they would feel offended.

And so, OK...you're not going to include yourself in the "god guys" group...then how can you speak on their behalf?

Why not just deal with yourself?

Or did you feel offended...I mean, disrespected.

Jesus. What a load of semantic mumbo jumbo.

Just another dodge.

Jesus this guy is easy to troll...

Right back atcha

Is there any way a goat fucking faggot can get into heaven?
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The important question Wrote:
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> Is there any way a goat fucking faggot can get
> into heaven?

No, especially since he is a dirty Muslim
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havin fun all around Wrote:
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> Right back atcha