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GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Automotive industry analyst ()
Date: November 30, 2019 11:37AM

GM has had it with lazy American UAW workers. GM already has half of its operations in China and technically is no longer an American company. We lost Chrysler years ago so Ford and Tesla is all that's left. Obama should have let GM go under years ago. GM is a shithole company. Now a GM-Ford merger is looking likely.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/10/25/20930350/gm-workers-vote-end-strike

https://www.wardsauto.com/news-analysis/gm-ford-mergeranythings-possible

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: November 30, 2019 12:04PM

Not surprised, all of Obama's buddies are terrorists.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Japs eat our lunch ()
Date: November 30, 2019 12:40PM

Americans just aren't very good a building vehicles. Honda, toyota and Mazda sales are just going higher every year because they have a quality product. It is sad to see the American auto industry continue to fail.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: November 30, 2019 12:43PM

Japs eat our lunch Wrote:
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> Americans just aren't very good a building
> vehicles. Honda, toyota and Mazda sales are just
> going higher every year because they have a
> quality product. It is sad to see the American
> auto industry continue to fail.

Unions, like democrats, reward failure.

Non union businesses succeed. Toyota is more American then government owned Obama motors.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Terry S. ()
Date: November 30, 2019 05:40PM

A friend of mine sent me this picture last month of his honda. Why do so many imports smoke out of the tailpipes? Anyways, he’s trading this heap for a General Motors product. At least they don’t smoke or rust in half like hondas.


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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: When are apples ripe ()
Date: November 30, 2019 08:34PM

GM vehicles never really smoke because they are in the crusher before their engines hit 100k. No one can afford the repairs on GM products as they age - endless money pits. Hondas, on the other hand always last 200k many get 300 or even 400k miles and yes the start to smoke a little after 300 or 400k as the rings wear down.

Im sure your friend will find the crushing depreciation and repair costs cold comfort in exchange for a non 'smoking' (if you call the water vapor in the pic 'smoke') vehicle.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Terry S. ()
Date: November 30, 2019 10:33PM

GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000 miles? LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM would not exist, genius.


General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of most reliable vehicles.
So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant fuck? Apparently yes ;-)

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/


And as far as honda goes, they hold no more reliability than any other vehicle.

“Water vapor”? Lolz!

https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286

https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143

https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smoke-032

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: chicken lights ()
Date: December 01, 2019 07:01AM

GM really screwed up with the Chevy Cruze and the Chevy Volt. Both turned out to be disposable cars not long after 100k miles. Consumers continue to buy more and more Asian cars and the only thing GM can really make money on is light trucks. Probably won't be long till some of those trucks are built in China and sold here. That Buick Envision is selling well and its the first GM vehicle made in China and sold here, the first of many more to come.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Saved by the bell ()
Date: December 01, 2019 09:20AM

Terry S. Wrote:
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> GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000 miles?
> LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM would
> not exist, genius.
>
>
> General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> most reliable vehicles.
> So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant fuck?
> Apparently yes ;-)
>
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
> suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
>
>
> And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> reliability than any other vehicle.
>
> “Water vapor”? Lolz!
>
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
> is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
>
> https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
>
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
> ke-032




Very true.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Ford driver ()
Date: December 01, 2019 10:00AM

No surprise that GM sales are down in the US after the ignition switch scandal where GM willfully killed 124 of their customers and injured 275 others. GM paid out about 2.5 billion in federal court settlements and fines but that does not bring back the 124 of their clients that they killed.

https://fortune.com/2017/06/23/gm-settles-ignition-switch-lawsuits/

https://fortune.com/2016/09/05/general-motors-settles-ignition-switch-cases/

GM even tried to escape the liability of some of the lawsuits that were filed prior to their bankruptcy filing in 2009. Thankfully the courts put a stop to that.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/business/supreme-court-general-motors-ignition-flaw-suits.html

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: luba tips ()
Date: December 01, 2019 12:56PM

Yes GM is now a commie company.
America the great is fading away......you will be missed.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: 90s kid ()
Date: December 01, 2019 08:14PM

luba tips Wrote:
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> Yes GM is now a commie company.
> America the great is fading away......you will be
> missed.


If you were born in the 50s or 60s you need to please keep your opinions to yourself. You are old and worthless.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Banana Up Gerry’s Ass ()
Date: December 01, 2019 08:24PM

90s kid Wrote:
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> luba tips Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Yes GM is now a commie company.
> > America the great is fading away......you will
> be
> > missed.
>
>
> If you were born in the 50s or 60s you need to
> please keep your opinions to yourself. You are old
> and worthless.
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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Auto analysis ()
Date: December 01, 2019 09:22PM

Saved by the bell Wrote:
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> Terry S. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000
> miles?
> > LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> > fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM
> would
> > not exist, genius.
> >
> >
> > General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> > most reliable vehicles.
> > So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant
> fuck?
> > Apparently yes ;-)
> >
> >
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
>
> > suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
> >
> >
> > And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> > reliability than any other vehicle.
> >
> > “Water vapor”? Lolz!
> >
> >
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
>
> > is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
> >
> > https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
> >
> >
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
>
> > ke-032
>
>
>
>
> Very true.




It’s no surprise that honda vehicles have engines that smoke. But that’s the least of the problems they have. The Takata exploding airbag debacle was a coverup by honda to mislead the public and deny compensation to them. Honda finally paid out 605 million in damages to date, only because attorneys forced them to. A honda engineer discovered the faulty airbags in 1999, but honda refused to address the issue.


Read here...

https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/honda-605-million-takata-airbag-settlement.shtml


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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Redneck Billy Bob news ()
Date: December 01, 2019 09:44PM

Well GM has already moved three US plants to Mexico under Trump. Might as well even it out with China and India.

Good thing Trump is bringing companies back to America.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: lj4bt ()
Date: December 01, 2019 09:46PM

GM Ford and Chrysler should be out of business -socialist USA politicians gave them billions of taxpayer dollars so they didint go under.

GM vehicles are horribly built machines made with cheap parts and very poor engineering. Honda is known around the world as the best manufacturer of auto engines. Honda transmissions can be shit (see their minivan). You could not pick a better bet for an engine lasting than a Honda. Period. You want worn rings and blown head gaskets by a Chevy or Caddy.

Also, please stop pretending to know anything about autos or engines, googling a few examples of single examples of engine failures is meaningless.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gm+engine+problems+class+action+suit&t=ffab&ia=web

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: what a dunce ()
Date: December 01, 2019 09:50PM

Terry S. Wrote:
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> GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000 miles?
> LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM would
> not exist, genius.
>
>
> General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> most reliable vehicles.
> So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant fuck?
> Apparently yes ;-)
>
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
> suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
>
>
> And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> reliability than any other vehicle.
>
> “Water vapor”? Lolz!
>
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
> is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
>
> https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
>
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
> ke-032

lol the articles on smoke coming from Hondas all deal with vehicles still on the road after 10-25 years! You actually posted these hoping to prove your point but just proved mine. dunce

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Butthurt demtards ()
Date: December 01, 2019 10:26PM

what a dunce Wrote:
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> Terry S. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000
> miles?
> > LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> > fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM
> would
> > not exist, genius.
> >
> >
> > General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> > most reliable vehicles.
> > So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant
> fuck?
> > Apparently yes ;-)
> >
> >
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
>
> > suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
> >
> >
> > And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> > reliability than any other vehicle.
> >
> > “Water vapor”? Lolz!
> >
> >
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
>
> > is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
> >
> > https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
> >
> >
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
>
> > ke-032
>
> lol the articles on smoke coming from Hondas all
> deal with vehicles still on the road after 10-25
> years! You actually posted these hoping to prove
> your point but just proved mine. dunce




Wrong. Stop lying you ignorant fuck. Honda’s are shit built crap boxes and the transmissions will not pass 70,000 miles on a good day. Like proven by that other guy, General Motors has 4 out of the 10 most reliable vehicles today. What part of facts do you not comprehend? You sound nearly as ignorant as that Gerry faggot. Lol


https://duckduckgo.com/?q=honda+engine+problems+class+action+settlement&t=ffab&ia=web

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: petr built ()
Date: December 02, 2019 04:26AM

Ford driver Wrote:
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> No surprise that GM sales are down in the US after
> the ignition switch scandal where GM willfully
> killed 124 of their customers and injured 275
> others. GM paid out about 2.5 billion in federal
> court settlements and fines but that does not
> bring back the 124 of their clients that they
> killed.
>
> https://fortune.com/2017/06/23/gm-settles-ignitio
> n-switch-lawsuits/
>
> https://fortune.com/2016/09/05/general-motors-sett
> les-ignition-switch-cases/
>
> GM even tried to escape the liability of some of
> the lawsuits that were filed prior to their
> bankruptcy filing in 2009. Thankfully the courts
> put a stop to that.
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/business/suprem
> e-court-general-motors-ignition-flaw-suits.html


Obama should never have bailed GM out. They should have been left to go under when they were bankrupt.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Auto worker ()
Date: December 02, 2019 07:08AM

GM makes the worst vehicles in history. If you buy a car to last you want a Toyota or a Honda. Don't waste your time and hard earned money on a government owned GM.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Scotty knows ()
Date: December 02, 2019 07:37AM


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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: ¿  ()
Date: December 02, 2019 08:14AM

lj4bt Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GM Ford and Chrysler should be out of business
> -socialist USA politicians gave them billions of
> taxpayer dollars so they didint go under.
>
> GM vehicles are horribly built machines made with
> cheap parts and very poor engineering. Honda is
> known around the world as the best manufacturer of
> auto engines. Honda transmissions can be shit
> (see their minivan). You could not pick a better
> bet for an engine lasting than a Honda. Period.
> You want worn rings and blown head gaskets by a
> Chevy or Caddy.
>
> Also, please stop pretending to know anything
> about autos or engines, googling a few examples of
> single examples of engine failures is meaningless.
>
>
> https://duckduckgo.com/?q=gm+engine+problems+class
> +action+suit&t=ffab&ia=web


Ford didn't take the bailout money. GM and Chrysler did.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: have both ()
Date: December 02, 2019 08:15AM

Auto worker Wrote:
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> GM makes the worst vehicles in history. If you buy
> a car to last you want a Toyota or a Honda. Don't
> waste your time and hard earned money on a
> government owned GM.


Unfortunately, Honda's QC has been going down for the last decade. Toyotas are the top cars now. Hopefully, Honda gets it's shit together.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Proud muslim ()
Date: December 02, 2019 08:53AM

Honda’s are the worst shit-boxes ever build.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Factchecker to Dunceposter ()
Date: December 02, 2019 11:40AM

GM Brands And Vehicles Struggle In 2019 Consumer Reports Reliability Survey

General Motors brands and vehicles struggled in the 2019 Consumer Reports Auto Reliability Survey.

The annual Consumer Reports list ranks brands and vehicles using data from surveyed Consumer Reports members. This year, it gathered data on 420,000 different vehicles spanning the 2000 to 2019 model years, with members able to report vehicle problems across 17 “trouble areas” including engine, transmission and in-car electronics. Consumer Reports then uses the survey data to calculate a “reliability rating” for every major mainstream brand and vehicle.

GM did very poorly in this study. Cadillac was ranked 30th among the mainstream auto brands – which is dead last. Its other brands didn’t do too well, either. Chevrolet was 25th, GMC was 22nd and Buick was 18th. Lexus, Mazda and Toyota occupied the top three in that order, while Porsche and Genesis completed the top five, respectively. Joining Cadillac at the bottom of the order were two other luxury brands: Alfa Romeo was 29th, while Acura was 28th.


http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/11/gm-brands-and-vehicles-struggle-in-2019-consumer-reports-reliability-survey/




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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Facts for the butthurt Op ()
Date: December 02, 2019 11:53PM

“Honda has also battled to stay above water in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study, because of reliability problems stemming from its reworked infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored above the industry average since 2015.”

.

https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-appears-weather-quality-issues

“Honda also has had complaints about stalling and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018 CR-Vs with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of fuel improperly mixing with oil, a problem numerous owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda said the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for short distances during extreme cold weather, which could cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel mix with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil levels could result in an engine misfire. A recent Wards Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could face the same issue.”

Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent years, including a bizarre recall of late-model Ridgeline pickups because of a fire risk involving car wash soap.

"When you look at the reliability of Honda and Acura, they have slid over the last several years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto testing at Consumer Reports
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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Scotty fan2 ()
Date: December 03, 2019 05:13AM

Auto analysis Wrote:
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> Saved by the bell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Terry S. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000
> > miles?
> > > LMAO. If you actually believe that, your
> simply
> > > fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM
> > would
> > > not exist, genius.
> > >
> > >
> > > General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10
> of
> > > most reliable vehicles.
> > > So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant
> > fuck?
> > > Apparently yes ;-)
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
>
> >
> > > suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
> > >
> > >
> > > And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> > > reliability than any other vehicle.
> > >
> > > “Water vapor”? Lolz!
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
>
> >
> > >
> is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
> > >
> > > https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
>
> >
> > > ke-032
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Very true.
>
>
>
>
> It’s no surprise that honda vehicles have
> engines that smoke. But that’s the least of the
> problems they have. The Takata exploding airbag
> debacle was a coverup by honda to mislead the
> public and deny compensation to them. Honda
> finally paid out 605 million in damages to date,
> only because attorneys forced them to. A honda
> engineer discovered the faulty airbags in 1999,
> but honda refused to address the issue.
>
>
> Read here...
>
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/honda-605-
> million-takata-airbag-settlement.shtml
>

Yes, 16 deaths caused by Takata airbags, two of which were in GM vehicles. Compare that to the 124 people who were killed by GM's ignition switch failure cover up.

Also there are plenty of Takata airbags in GM vehicles but GM is fighting to keep NHTSA from forcing a recall.

https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-your-money/why-gm-won-t-recall-thousands-of-takata-air-bags

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: China Tariffs ()
Date: December 03, 2019 10:02AM

That's what happens when you start putting tariffs on countries. American businesses move their operations to that country.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: ds ()
Date: December 03, 2019 03:13PM

you mean putting african americans out of work, btw

they have taken over detroit and it's the african americans that have caused the issue of:

* raping GM's retirement system

* closing GM parts plants to pay for african americans (off-shoring)

* the democrat party of Detroit

so if you want to cry on my shoulder and say their jobs are going bye bye i'm going to say: GOOD. THEY WRECKED GM with lawsuits. they deserve it.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: election day volunteer ()
Date: December 03, 2019 08:30PM


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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Old Buck ()
Date: December 03, 2019 08:37PM

GM putting its junk-assed cars on the roads is all part of Trump's plan to immobilize China in the even the trade war turns hot.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: good kid ()
Date: December 03, 2019 08:50PM

Buy a GM and you have only yourself to blame. Unless its a 2012 Suburban you are fucked. Shame Id love to buy a car with parts made in Mexico and assembled somewhat in USA. Im cheap so I hardly ever buy cars - I drive two cars with a combined 500k mileage. I find engines/trans combos with highly durable bodies and interiors buy them and maintain them to perfection.

I would not buy 99% of GM products. I hate milquetoast Jap products - everyone has one and I owned an accord for 225k miles. Im done with boring jap cars except Lexus, Id buy one of those in a heartbeat.

Anyway GM sucks, Chrysler sucks, Dodge sucks. Honda and toyota are having some issues with direct fuel injection.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Jerry Mandrell ()
Date: December 03, 2019 11:56PM

Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Honda has also battled to stay above water
> in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study, because
> of reliability problems stemming from its reworked
> infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored
> above the industry average since 2015.”

>
> .
>
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
> ppears-weather-quality-issues
>
> “Honda also has had complaints about stalling
> and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018 CR-Vs
> with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of fuel
> improperly mixing with oil, a problem numerous
> owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda said
> the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for short
> distances during extreme cold weather, which could
> cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel mix
> with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In
> extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil levels
> could result in an engine misfire. A recent Wards
> Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could face
> the same issue.”
>
> Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent years,
> including a bizarre recall of late-model Ridgeline
> pickups because of a fire risk involving car wash
> soap.
>
> "When you look at the reliability of Honda and
> Acura, they have slid over the last several
> years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto testing
> at Consumer Reports




This is no surprise. A coworker of mine had a honda car with the takata airbag, and the honda dealer gave him the runaround about changing it under recall. I don’t understand that as takata was going to pay for it. Turns out that honda dealer was taking the granted recall money from takata and keeping it, and fucking over the car owners. He since went to domestic cars and hasn’t looked back.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Gerrys alter ego ()
Date: December 04, 2019 12:03AM

Terry S. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000 miles?
> LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM would
> not exist, genius.
>
>
> General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> most reliable vehicles.
> So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant fuck?
> Apparently yes ;-)
>
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
> suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
>
>
> And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> reliability than any other vehicle.
>
> “Water vapor”? Lolz!
>
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
> is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
>
> https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
>
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
> ke-032






Looks like that ignorant fuck op is getting really angry, lol.

Anyway, that’s awesome that G.M. has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of listed most reliable cars/trucks. That’s more vehicles than honda or toyota has.


Lolz!

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Reality is......... ()
Date: December 04, 2019 12:27AM

GM isn't even close on reliability to asian brand autos. Koreans make shitty appliances, but very reliable cars. Japan makes extremely reliable cars in the Honda/Toyota/Nissan line. You start getting into Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and you'll have more problems but still far and away less than GM. Even Ford beats GM.

GM has had to cut costs on every angle because they've had to promise high pensions and benefits to the workers via the UAW. That means especially lower quality parts over the life of the vehicle. Those benefits promises will collapse however, since it's just not doable in a global economy where rice burners will work and labor for less.

GM back storage lots are overflowing with unsold vehicles. The demand for GM products just isn't there compared to Honda/Toyota/Nissan.

Don't really care what "a friend of mine" sends me for complaints. Those are anecdotal. Large surveys of hundreds of thousands of owners say otherwise.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: GXFc9 ()
Date: December 04, 2019 12:33AM

ds Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> you mean putting african americans out of work,
> btw
>
> they have taken over detroit and it's the african
> americans that have caused the issue of:
>
> * raping GM's retirement system
>
> * closing GM parts plants to pay for african
> americans (off-shoring)
>
> * the democrat party of Detroit
>
> so if you want to cry on my shoulder and say their
> jobs are going bye bye i'm going to say: GOOD.
> THEY WRECKED GM with lawsuits. they deserve it.


The Unions promise things like work for 25 years and get pay and bennies for 50. It just doesn't fucking work. You can't get enough interest in that time to back the ridiculous promises the UAW demands. The wheels fall off with that stupid shit. This isn't they heydays of the 1950's when there was no competition.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: reader of stuff. ()
Date: December 04, 2019 05:21AM

THe new Consumer reports that just got delivered yesterday has a segment on overall reliability of vehicles by brand. According to their data Honda has slipped in quality but its still far better than GM products. Lexus was rated highest with a tie for second between Mazda and Toyota.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Bongo lips ()
Date: December 04, 2019 09:21AM

Proud muslim Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Honda’s are the worst shit-boxes ever build.



I feel your pain. Besides the rust problems that honda and Toyota has, honda engines have the oil burning issue that is plaguing their engines.


Buyer beware.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Facts for the butthurt op ()
Date: December 04, 2019 09:29AM

Jerry Mandrell Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> This is no surprise. A coworker of mine had a
> honda car with the takata airbag, and the honda
> dealer gave him the runaround about changing it
> under recall. I don’t understand that as takata
> was going to pay for it. Turns out that honda
> dealer was taking the granted recall money from
> takata and keeping it, and fucking over the car
> owners. He since went to domestic cars and
> hasn’t looked back.




Sorry to hear about your friend. I switched to domestic vehicles years ago and I’m sooo glad I did. As consumer reports stated, honda cars are completely overrated, and through years of quality testing show less[b/] reliability

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: former GM customer. ()
Date: December 04, 2019 04:44PM

Scotty fan2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Auto analysis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Saved by the bell Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Terry S. Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000
> > > miles?
> > > > LMAO. If you actually believe that, your
> > simply
> > > > fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM
> > > would
> > > > not exist, genius.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10
> > of
> > > > most reliable vehicles.
> > > > So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant
> > > fuck?
> > > > Apparently yes ;-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
>
> >
> > >
> > > > suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> > > > reliability than any other vehicle.
> > > >
> > > > “Water vapor”? Lolz!
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
> > > >
> > > > https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
>
> >
> > >
> > > > ke-032
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Very true.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It’s no surprise that honda vehicles have
> > engines that smoke. But that’s the least of
> the
> > problems they have. The Takata exploding airbag
> > debacle was a coverup by honda to mislead the
> > public and deny compensation to them. Honda
> > finally paid out 605 million in damages to
> date,
> > only because attorneys forced them to. A honda
> > engineer discovered the faulty airbags in 1999,
> > but honda refused to address the issue.
> >
> >
> > Read here...
> >
> >
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/honda-605-
>
> > million-takata-airbag-settlement.shtml
> >
>
> Yes, 16 deaths caused by Takata airbags, two of
> which were in GM vehicles. Compare that to the 124
> people who were killed by GM's ignition switch
> failure cover up.
>
> Also there are plenty of Takata airbags in GM
> vehicles but GM is fighting to keep NHTSA from
> forcing a recall.
>
> https://www.wcpo.com/money/consumer/dont-waste-you
> r-money/why-gm-won-t-recall-thousands-of-takata-ai
> r-bags

Not surprising. GM killed over a hundred people with their ignition switch problem cover up. They figure that a few more deaths from their refusal to replace the Takata airbags is not a big deal.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Domestic = Happiness ()
Date: December 04, 2019 09:51PM

have both Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> Unfortunately, Honda's QC has been going down for
> the last decade.
> Hopefully, Honda gets it's shit together.




Doubtful. Honda’s deadly coverup of the takata airbags ruined their name. I’ve bought strictly domestic for a longgg time and couldn’t be happier.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Regretful honda owner ()
Date: December 04, 2019 09:54PM

Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> “Honda has also battled to stay above water
> in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study, because
> of reliability problems stemming from its reworked
> infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored
> above the industry average since 2015.”

>
> .
>
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
> ppears-weather-quality-issues
>
> “Honda also has had complaints about stalling
> and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018 CR-Vs
> with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of fuel
> improperly mixing with oil, a problem numerous
> owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda said
> the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for short
> distances during extreme cold weather, which could
> cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel mix
> with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In
> extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil levels
> could result in an engine misfire. A recent Wards
> Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could face
> the same issue.”
>
> Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent years,
> including a bizarre recall of late-model Ridgeline
> pickups because of a fire risk involving car wash
> soap.
>
> "When you look at the reliability of Honda and
> Acura, they have slid over the last several
> years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto testing
> at Consumer Reports




Wow. I had no idea that honda was such garbage.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: UAW demands ()
Date: December 05, 2019 04:43AM

Regretful honda owner Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > “Honda has also battled to stay above
> water
> > in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study,
> because
> > of reliability problems stemming from its
> reworked
> > infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored
> > above the industry average since 2015.”

> >
> > .
> >
> >
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
>
> > ppears-weather-quality-issues
> >
> > “Honda also has had complaints about stalling
> > and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018
> CR-Vs
> > with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of fuel
> > improperly mixing with oil, a problem numerous
> > owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda said
> > the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for short
> > distances during extreme cold weather, which
> could
> > cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> > higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel
> mix
> > with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In
> > extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil
> levels
> > could result in an engine misfire. A recent
> Wards
> > Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could
> face
> > the same issue.”
> >
> > Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent
> years,
> > including a bizarre recall of late-model
> Ridgeline
> > pickups because of a fire risk involving car
> wash
> > soap.
> >
> > "When you look at the reliability of Honda and
> > Acura, they have slid over the last several
> > years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto
> testing
> > at Consumer Reports
>
>
>
>
> Wow. I had no idea that honda was such garbage.


Yes Honda has slipped in quality in recent years. Lexus and Toyota taken the top spots in quality right now. Of course GM products are among the lowest quality with the exception of the little Buick SUV that is totally built in China. Maybe GM has found the answer to their sales slump, maybe they need to start making all their vehicles in China. They already build about half of their vehicles in China. It seems like GM customers have no problem supporting communism.

https://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.html/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2019/Jan/0107_sales.html

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Consumer reports ()
Date: December 05, 2019 08:49AM

UAW demands Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Regretful honda owner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > “Honda has also battled to stay above
> > water
> > > in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study,
> > because
> > > of reliability problems stemming from its
> > reworked
> > > infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored
> > > above the industry average since 2015.”

> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
>
> >
> > > ppears-weather-quality-issues
> > >
> > > “Honda also has had complaints about
> stalling
> > > and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018
> > CR-Vs
> > > with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of
> fuel
> > > improperly mixing with oil, a problem
> numerous
> > > owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda
> said
> > > the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for
> short
> > > distances during extreme cold weather, which
> > could
> > > cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> > > higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel
> > mix
> > > with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In
> > > extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil
> > levels
> > > could result in an engine misfire. A recent
> > Wards
> > > Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could
> > face
> > > the same issue.”
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent
> > years,
> > > including a bizarre recall of late-model
> > Ridgeline
> > > pickups because of a fire risk involving car
> > wash
> > > soap.
> > >
> > > "When you look at the reliability of Honda
> and
> > > Acura, they have slid over the last several
> > > years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto
> > testing
> > > at Consumer Reports
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow. I had no idea that honda was such garbage.
>
>
> Yes Honda has slipped in quality in recent years.
> Lexus and Toyota taken the top spots in quality
> right now. Of course GM products are among the
> lowest quality with the exception of the little
> Buick SUV that is totally built in China. Maybe GM
> has found the answer to their sales slump, maybe
> they need to start making all their vehicles in
> China. They already build about half of their
> vehicles in China. It seems like GM customers have
> no problem supporting communism.
>
> https://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.ht
> ml/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2019/Jan/0107_sales.ht
> ml





More lies. Do you even read the links you post you ignorant fuck?? So GM is building products in other countries and selling them to the local population. That’s what global companies do you weirdo. This bothers you? LMAO you have to be a libtard to let petty things like that bother you. GM is dominating the ‘foreign’ car market in China, while honda is still reeling over their takata airbag coverup and awful dependability record.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: old guy 6 ()
Date: December 05, 2019 04:39PM

UAW demands Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Regretful honda owner Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > “Honda has also battled to stay above
> > water
> > > in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study,
> > because
> > > of reliability problems stemming from its
> > reworked
> > > infotainment systems. The brand hasn't scored
> > > above the industry average since 2015.”

> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
>
> >
> > > ppears-weather-quality-issues
> > >
> > > “Honda also has had complaints about
> stalling
> > > and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018
> > CR-Vs
> > > with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of
> fuel
> > > improperly mixing with oil, a problem
> numerous
> > > owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda
> said
> > > the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for
> short
> > > distances during extreme cold weather, which
> > could
> > > cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> > > higher-than-expected amounts of unburned fuel
> > mix
> > > with engine oil, increasing the oil level. In
> > > extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil
> > levels
> > > could result in an engine misfire. A recent
> > Wards
> > > Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics could
> > face
> > > the same issue.”
> > >
> > > Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent
> > years,
> > > including a bizarre recall of late-model
> > Ridgeline
> > > pickups because of a fire risk involving car
> > wash
> > > soap.
> > >
> > > "When you look at the reliability of Honda
> and
> > > Acura, they have slid over the last several
> > > years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto
> > testing
> > > at Consumer Reports
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wow. I had no idea that honda was such garbage.
>
>
> Yes Honda has slipped in quality in recent years.
> Lexus and Toyota taken the top spots in quality
> right now. Of course GM products are among the
> lowest quality with the exception of the little
> Buick SUV that is totally built in China. Maybe GM
> has found the answer to their sales slump, maybe
> they need to start making all their vehicles in
> China. They already build about half of their
> vehicles in China. It seems like GM customers have
> no problem supporting communism.
>
> https://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.ht
> ml/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2019/Jan/0107_sales.ht
> ml


The last GM product I owned was a 1996 Chevy Silverado. Back in 96 GM was still making a quality product. Today everything GM sells is garbage and it really shows.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Automotive industry analyst ()
Date: December 05, 2019 08:10PM

Consumer Reports ranks Chevy among the least reliable car companies.
Going by 2019 Consumer Reports rankings, Chevrolet ranked 23rd among 29 car brands evaluated. That made Chevy vehicles seventh-worst overall. The Traverse SUV and Silverado 2500 HD pickup showed up among the year’s poorest-scoring vehicles for reliability.

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/is-chevy-the-most-reliable-car-company-like-the-ad-says.html/

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Chris Robinson ()
Date: December 05, 2019 11:13PM

Gerrys alter ego Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Terry S. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000
> miles?
> > LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> > fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM
> would
> > not exist, genius.
> >
> >
> > General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> > most reliable vehicles.
> > So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant
> fuck?
> > Apparently yes ;-)
> >
> >
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
>
> > suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
> >
> >
> > And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> > reliability than any other vehicle.
> >
> > “Water vapor”? Lolz!
> >
> >
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
>
> > is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
> >
> > https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
> >
> >
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
>
> > ke-032
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks like that ignorant fuck op is getting really
> angry, lol.
>
> Anyway, that’s awesome that G.M. has 4 vehicles
> in the top 10 of listed most reliable cars/trucks.
> That’s more vehicles than honda or toyota has.
>
>
> Lolz!





I’ve owned both imports and domestics. And domestics by far have more style, class, dependability and hold their values better than imports.


I once had a toyota. Rustiest piece of shit I ever owned.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Car and driver ()
Date: December 05, 2019 11:24PM

Talk about a pussy mobile. Imagine a man driving something like this!


Ha!


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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Automotive industry analyst ()
Date: December 06, 2019 05:05AM

"No Accident: Inside GM’s deadly ignition switch scandal"

Here is a interesting article about just one of the 124 people murdered by GM and their deadly ignition switch failure cover up.

https://www.atlantamagazine.com/great-reads/no-accident-inside-gms-deadly-ignition-switch-scandal/

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Bongo lips ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:20AM

Auto analysis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> problems they have. The Takata exploding airbag
> debacle was a coverup by honda to mislead the
> public and deny compensation to them. Honda
> finally paid out 605 million in damages to date,
> only because attorneys forced them to. A honda
> engineer discovered the faulty airbags in 1999,
> but honda refused to address the issue.
>
>
> Read here...
>
> https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2017/honda-605-
> million-takata-airbag-settlement.shtml
>





Thanks for the info.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Automotive industry analyst ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:22AM

Honda’s are the worst shit boxes ever built.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Democrat Parrot ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:28AM

Remember "Osama is dead, GM is alive"?

Alive for how long is the real question.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: SureokkkGMisSupergay ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:30AM

Reality is......... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GM isn't even close on reliability to asian brand
> autos. Koreans make shitty appliances, but very
> reliable cars. Japan makes extremely reliable cars
> in the Honda/Toyota/Nissan line. You start getting
> into Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and you'll have more
> problems but still far and away less than GM. Even
> Ford beats GM.
>
> GM has had to cut costs on every angle because
> they've had to promise high pensions and benefits
> to the workers via the UAW. That means especially
> lower quality parts over the life of the vehicle.
> Those benefits promises will collapse however,
> since it's just not doable in a global economy
> where rice burners will work and labor for less.
>
>
> GM back storage lots are overflowing with unsold
> vehicles. The demand for GM products just isn't
> there compared to Honda/Toyota/Nissan.
>
> Don't really care what "a friend of mine" sends me
> for complaints. Those are anecdotal. Large surveys
> of hundreds of thousands of owners say otherwise.

Lexus is rated as most reliable followed now by Mazda then Toyota/Honda. Surprisingly Acura is now among the least reliable. GM is junk, pretty all of their materials and design are inferior and you will incur a very high cost of ownership after the warranty period is up.

Lets be honest, the troll here extolling the virtue of GM probably drives a 1998 Toyota Corrolla.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: thinker of thinking things ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:34AM

Automotive industry analyst Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Consumer Reports ranks Chevy among the least
> reliable car companies.
> Going by 2019 Consumer Reports rankings, Chevrolet
> ranked 23rd among 29 car brands evaluated. That
> made Chevy vehicles seventh-worst overall. The
> Traverse SUV and Silverado 2500 HD pickup showed
> up among the year’s poorest-scoring vehicles for
> reliability.
>
> https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/is-chevy-
> the-most-reliable-car-company-like-the-ad-says.htm
> l/


Citing Facts?!? Why bother here, racist morons here dont care. Anyway, yea GM not even in the top 20 https://www.cheatsheet.com/money-career/most-reliable-cars-decade-according-consumer-reports.html/

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Gerrys alter ego ()
Date: December 06, 2019 09:46AM

Automotive industry analyst Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Honda’s are the worst shit boxes ever built.




That’s my experience as well :-)

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Auto examiner ()
Date: December 06, 2019 09:50AM

Terry S. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> GM vehicles are in the crusher by 100,000 miles?
> LMAO. If you actually believe that, your simply
> fooling yourself son. If that were true, GM would
> not exist, genius.
>
>
> General Motors has 4 vehicles in the top 10 of
> most reliable vehicles.
> So why do you lie? Are you just an ignorant fuck?
> Apparently yes ;-)
>
> http://gmauthority.com/blog/2019/03/chevrolet-gmc-
> suvs-demonstrate-longevity-in-new-study/
>
>
> And as far as honda goes, they hold no more
> reliability than any other vehicle.
>
> “Water vapor”? Lolz!
>
> https://honda-tech.com/how-tos/a/honda-accord-why-
> is-blue-smoke-coming-out-of-the-tailpipe-376286
>
> https://repairpal.com/car-smoking-143
>
> https://repairpal.com/the-car-is-smoking-black-smo
> ke-032




I often wondered why so many hondas I see driving around have colored smoke coming out of the tailpipe. Great info, thanks.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: I like Fords ()
Date: December 06, 2019 04:20PM

I drive a F-150 4x4 and I have a old beater 06 Accord. I much prefer driving my Ford but my old Honda was my commuter car before I retired. The Honda has had both airbag inflators replaced once and the passenger airbag inflator replaced a second time just recently.
While I dont love the ride or comfort of the Honda it has been the most reliable car I have ever owned. It now has about 280,000 miles on it and it only broke down once. It needed a new module of some sort back in 2016 and that was a 250 dollar repair. I bought it new and it still has the factory muffler. It has had multiple sets of tires and brakes of course and regular maintenance. If I needed a new vehicle now I would buy a Ford.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: resident guest ()
Date: December 06, 2019 08:24PM

So sad that we are losing the GM we grew up with. Today it's all about greed.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Eagle eyes ()
Date: December 06, 2019 11:29PM

My neighbor and myself had a little bet some years back. He was so bent on import quality, and swore that a domestic would never outlast an import. It was a friendly wager really. The bet was simple...who could get to 300,000 miles and spend the least amount of money. We would keep all receipts and bills and compare. I bought a new (at the time) 2009 Impala. He bought a new (at the time) Honda CRV. His honda was plagued with problems from the beginning, like a air conditioner recall, valve train chatter, foaming engine coolant, etc. He final straw was air bag recall. He gave up and traded it in at 223,000 miles.


My Chevy Impala easily got to 300,000 miles. All it required was basic maintenance, (oil changes and fluid changes), one starter, one alternator, and one set of coil packs. I’m still driving it and is by far the most reliable car I’ve ever bought. So happy.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Former GM employee ()
Date: December 07, 2019 07:09AM

resident guest Wrote:
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> So sad that we are losing the GM we grew up with.
> Today it's all about greed.

At GM management hates labor. Whenever they have a layoff they make sure to do it right about this time of year. Just last year they closed the entire Lordstown Ohio plant down on November 26. Management gets a little kick out of watching the families suffer. With this kind of hatred between management and labor its no wonder that GM makes such low quality vehicles.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/06/gms-lordstown-factory-goes-dark-as-automaker-closes-underused-plants.html

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Automotive industry analysis ()
Date: December 07, 2019 09:40AM

Can I post this?

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: Laid off honda worker ()
Date: December 07, 2019 09:44AM

Consumer reports Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> UAW demands Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Regretful honda owner Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Facts for the butthurt Op Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > “Honda has also battled to stay above
> > > water
> > > > in the J.D. Power Initial Quality Study,
> > > because
> > > > of reliability problems stemming from its
> > > reworked
> > > > infotainment systems. The brand hasn't
> scored
> > > > above the industry average since
> 2015.”

> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.autonews.com/regulation-safety/honda-a
>
> >
> > >
> > > > ppears-weather-quality-issues
> > > >
> > > > “Honda also has had complaints about
> > stalling
> > > > and reduced power output for 2017 and 2018
> > > CR-Vs
> > > > with the 1.5-liter turbo engine because of
> > fuel
> > > > improperly mixing with oil, a problem
> > numerous
> > > > owners reported to Consumer Reports. Honda
> > said
> > > > the problem appeared in CR-Vs driven for
> > short
> > > > distances during extreme cold weather,
> which
> > > could
> > > > cause an abnormal level of oil dilution as
> > > > higher-than-expected amounts of unburned
> fuel
> > > mix
> > > > with engine oil, increasing the oil level.
> In
> > > > extreme cases, Honda said the excessive oil
> > > levels
> > > > could result in an engine misfire. A recent
> > > Wards
> > > > Auto report said 143,000 2016-18 Civics
> could
> > > face
> > > > the same issue.”
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, recalls have piled up in recent
> > > years,
> > > > including a bizarre recall of late-model
> > > Ridgeline
> > > > pickups because of a fire risk involving
> car
> > > wash
> > > > soap.
> > > >
> > > > "When you look at the reliability of Honda
> > and
> > > > Acura, they have slid over the last several
> > > > years," said Jake Fisher, director of auto
> > > testing
> > > > at Consumer Reports
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wow. I had no idea that honda was such
> garbage.
> >
> >
> > Yes Honda has slipped in quality in recent
> years.
> > Lexus and Toyota taken the top spots in quality
> > right now. Of course GM products are among the
> > lowest quality with the exception of the little
> > Buick SUV that is totally built in China. Maybe
> GM
> > has found the answer to their sales slump,
> maybe
> > they need to start making all their vehicles in
> > China. They already build about half of their
> > vehicles in China. It seems like GM customers
> have
> > no problem supporting communism.
> >
> >
> https://media.gm.com/media/cn/en/gm/news.detail.ht
>
> >
> ml/content/Pages/news/cn/en/2019/Jan/0107_sales.ht
>
> > ml
>
>
>
>
>
> More lies. Do you even read the links you post you
> ignorant fuck?? So GM is building products in
> other countries and selling them to the local
> population. That’s what global companies do you
> weirdo. This bothers you? LMAO you have to be a
> libtard to let petty things like that bother you.
> GM is dominating the ‘foreign’ car market in
> China, while honda is still reeling over their
> takata airbag coverup and awful dependability
> record.




I thought I had a good life. I worked in the airbag installation line at the honda factory. We were told to ignore the rumors of faulty airbags. I went along with it. I’ll regret that for the rest of my life.

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Re: GM vows to move more operations to China and put even more Americans out of work.
Posted by: GM update ()
Date: December 07, 2019 12:09PM

GM Brands were Slammed In Latest Consumer Reports Reliability Survey

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2018/10/gm-brands-slammed-in-latest-consumer-reports-reliability-survey/#ixzz67RRxfDF2

General Motors didn’t make out all too well in the latest Consumer Reports Reliability Survey. The non-profit organization ranked GM brands towards the bottom of the list.

The reliability survey comes from owner responses, which CR said it received feedback on more than 500,000 vehicles in the latest survey. Vehicles spanned the 2000-2018 model years and covered 300 models.

The biggest fall from grace was the Buick brand. The brand placed eighth last year but tumbled 11 spots to 19th place. That’s a major fall from 2016 when Buick became the first U.S. auto brand to crack the top three rankings since data collection began in the 1980s.

Owners cited issues with the 2018 Buick Enclave’s nine-speed automatic transmission as a real sour point. And it gets worse from there.

Buick was the best-ranked GM brand in the latest survey. Chevrolet placed 23rd, down from 18th place; GMC placed 25th, up from 26th place; and Cadillac held steady in 28th place. The luxury division was the second-worst ranked brand, only behind Volvo. The only Cadillac vehicle deemed “better than average” was the XTS sedan, coincidentally enough.

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