Just curious. How many of you think your life is going well? Are you happy? Happy enough? I'm curious,,,

Nosy. Get help.

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> Nosy. Get help.

I tried. Didn't work.

Mr. Misery, your problem is that you have sought help from the psychiatric community, which has very dark and sinister intentions.

You sound like you have surrounded yourself with suppressive persons, you need to disconnect from them and focus on having a clear mind.

Your first step should be to take a personality test, normally tests like this cost around $500, but I'm offering to you Mr. Misery for free. http://www.oca.scientology.org/

Take your scientology and shove it. I'm a Quaker.

Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> Take your scientology and shove it. I'm a Quaker.



HA! Don't Quakers reject technology? Why are you on the internet?

50% of happiness is determined by your genes. your body has a set point that can be altered by diet, exercise and meditation.

40% is situational. like if your at a funeral or party.

only 10% is a result of having money or financial security.

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> Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> > Take your scientology and shove it. I'm a
> Quaker.
>
>
>
> HA! Don't Quakers reject technology? Why are you
> on the internet?

you're thinking of the Amish. Quakers are the most sensible religion I've heard of. No huge dogmatic institution....no Catholic hocus-pocus don't-chew-the-wafer bullshit...just meet in a room once a week and sit quietly. That's the most reasonable religion I'm aware of. If I wasn't so lazy, I'd go to a meeting one day.

I'm not happy enough...

I am pretty happy. While I could always be happier, I consider myself lucky when compared to other people I know who seem either empty, distressed or depressed all of the time.

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Better then most...

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i love your life too, gm1


say, you wouldnt happen to wear round frame glasses would you?

I should have been born in the 1800's. Back then, in centuries past, people expected to suffer. Life was rough, for everyone. And short. I doubt so many people back then even questioned their own happiness....it must have been tough enough business knowing where your next meal was coming from, or guarding your village from bandits and brigands. It's a lot easier these days to be unhappy, I think. It just proves that no matter who you are, what you're doing, you can (and will) always find something to complain about. Some of us have bigger and more frequent complaints than others, but we all have them. None of this helps, though. The 'look on the bright side' thing doesn't work, because even though things can always be worse, you only know your own personal experience and no amount of philosophizing can really make you appreciate the other side of things. It's not all relative. It's absolute. You absolutely only know your own experience, and that makes your own personal problems absolute--not relative--no matter how much you try to appreciate how much worse or better things can or have been. That's my thing. In other words, your mother was full of shit when she told you to clean your plate and to think of all the starving kids in China. When you're full, you're full. I've never been to China. I don't know China from a hole in the ground. It just. doesn't. work.

But whatever.

"I once complained that I had no shoes....until I met a man who had no feet."
--Shaquille O'Neill

Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> I should have been born in the 1800's. Back then,
> in centuries past, people expected to suffer.

So you'd be happier if you, and everyone you knew, were suffering?

> Life
> was rough, for everyone. And short. I doubt so
> many people back then even questioned their own
> happiness....

How do you know? I bet you'd still be miserable...

> it must have been tough enough
> business knowing where your next meal was coming
> from, or guarding your village from bandits and
> brigands.

Then starve yourself... Or go on a panhandling tour across the country. You have control over your life, Miz.

> It's a lot easier these days to be
> unhappy, I think.

How do you know? You're just looking for any excuse, aren't you?

> It just proves that no matter
> who you are, what you're doing, you can (and will)
> always find something to complain about.

Stop your fucking whining! ;)... no but seriously..

Some of
> us have bigger and more frequent complaints than
> others, but we all have them. None of this helps,
> though. The 'look on the bright side' thing
> doesn't work, because even though things can
> always be worse, you only know your own personal
> experience and no amount of philosophizing can
> really make you appreciate the other side of
> things.

No compassion for your brothers and sisters, Miz?

> It's not all relative. It's absolute. You
> absolutely only know your own experience, and that
> makes your own personal problems absolute--not
> relative--no matter how much you try to appreciate
> how much worse or better things can or have been.
> That's my thing.

Uhhh... Is it true you aren't supposed to wake a sleepwalker?

> In other words, your mother was
> full of shit when she told you to clean your plate
> and to think of all the starving kids in China.
> When you're full, you're full. I've never been to
> China. I don't know China from a hole in the
> ground. It just. doesn't. work.

She was trying to get you to appreciate what you had. Don't waste your food... You're a lucky motherfucker to even have any food. Don't take your life for granted. Shit can, and does, change.

Miz, you have all the tools you need to forge a happy life for yourself. All you have to do is want to be happy. You have to consciously take a vacay from Miseryland. I have a feeling you're not going to just stumble out by accident.

I'm not saying you have to be happy... or that you should be happy... I'm just saying that, IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO, you could be.

Now finish the fucking Fairfax Underground Novel, you Miserable Slacker...

>
> But whatever.

spoken like a man who's never been depressed. No offense, Harry, but you can't relate. Some of us just have a tougher time dealing with life. You are lucky.

Consider this thread closed for business. Excuse me for keeping it a little too real.

No offense, Misery, but you have no idea who I am... You don't know my struggle...

It's really easy to just write off what people say because they "can't relate".... It's convenient for you to believe that people have no idea what you're going through... Why don't you make me understand? Don't give me that "if you have to ask, you'll never know" bullshit.

Are you denying the possibility that you are CHOOSING to be miserable? No one is making you stay in your basement... no one is forcing you to eat pills. You can change your actions. You do have control.


Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> spoken like a man who's never been depressed. No
> offense, Harry, but you can't relate. Some of us
> just have a tougher time dealing with life. You
> are lucky.

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> No offense, Misery, but you have no idea who I
> am... You don't know my struggle...
>
>
> Are you denying the possibility that you are
> CHOOSING to be miserable? No one is making you
> stay in your basement... no one is forcing you to
> eat pills. You can change your actions. You do
> have control.
>


Well, it is possible that someone is making him do these things, if you really think about it.

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I'll give you that, Tone... It's possible...

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Well, it is possible that someone is making him do
> these things, if you really think about it.

Re: Is your life going well? Or not well? new
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: March 21, 2010 03:57PM


i love your life too, gm1


say, you wouldnt happen to wear round frame glasses would you?




No,BB I don't.




Re: Is your life going well? Or not well? new
Posted by: Mr. Misery ()
Date: March 21, 2010 05:27PM


"I once complained that I had no shoes....until I met a man who had no feet."
--Shaquille O'Neill

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gm1 are you of the hippie persuasion?

there's a little something called brain chemistry, Harry. I'm saying yours is not fucked up the same way mine is (it could be, you're right--I don't know you--but it's unlikely. You haven't been on psychoactive meds your whole life. Have you?). That's what I'm talking about. When your brain is physically not producing enough of this, or too much of that, a lot of your Tony Robbins bullshit goes out the window. At the very least, it makes it a bit more complicated. If mental illness was as visible as paraplegia, or cerebral palsy, far fewer empty platitudes would be thrown out whenever the subject arises.

About the choosing to be miserable business...I know where that's coming from when you say it--mental illness is social illness, and therefore the lines become blurred very easily between what is acceptable disability for which I am not personally accountable, and what is unacceptable personal flaw of character on my part. It comes down to this....if my brain worked like yours, or the average healthy male's, we wouldn't be having this conversation right now. The fact that it doesn't means that I have to wrestle with a lot more behavioral problems and questions of myself than a mentally healthy person does, and the decisions I make in that context do come down to personal responsibility and character....but there is an over-arching dysfunction at play, and that's why I reject your point, or at least why I take issue with it. Does a paranoid schizophrenic choose to be that way? I would say to you that saying 'you choose to be miserable' is just as convenient an excuse on the other side to shoo away the issue.

People LOVE to tout 'personal responsibility' as the closing argument against addiction, for example, but I think most of the time, those people are full of shit. You have no idea how close you are at all times--however safe and secure you believe yourself to be--from losing it all. There's a lot of very conservative sentiment going around these days on that issue (and social diseases in general)....I think it's the 'in' thing to say...but the problem is much more complicated than the condemnation. And what you have given me is a very SIMPLE condemnation. But, hell, we don't have time to get into deep philosophical discussions on every subject...judgments are useful...and necessary...but they are ALWAYS flawed on some level.

You missed the point of my initial post (the one to which you responded) by the way...but I'm too tired to go into it now.

anyway, it's my fault for bringing it up. This is not the place, of course.
alright. that's enough.

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that doesnt help the situation L ron.

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> that doesnt help the situation L ron.



bloody blisters, have you ever considered joining the Sea Org?



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75 million years? isnt the longer than the earths existence?

and i think you forgot an "L" in the bottom left pic and quote at the the bottom.

and no, a navy guy called me tonight asking for a care package donation, i felt bad so i didnt mess with him to the extent i mess with other solicitors. that is all i considered. why do you think im a good candidate for the sea org?

Mr. Misery Wrote:
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> there's a little something called brain chemistry,
> Harry. I'm saying yours is not fucked up the same
> way mine is (it could be, you're right--I don't
> know you--but it's unlikely.

If you are arguing that your brain chemistry is different than mine, I don't doubt it. It's your argument that, because your brain chemistry is different than mine, something must be wrong with your brain that I take issue with. The whole "it's just the way I am" excuse is worn out. Everything in the universe is constantly changing, why should you be any different?

> You haven't been on
> psychoactive meds your whole life.

Who was forcing you to take these meds? Did you have any control over that? You could choose to take them. Someone convinced you that something was "wrong" with your brain. I bet it didn't even take that much convincing...

What evidence did you have that something was "wrong" with your brain? Some in-depth charts? A doctor said "You probably have [this]..."? Is the fact that you are miserable and felt like killing yourself all the proof you needed that something was wrong with your brain?

Isn't there another explanation? Isn't it possible that some other factor was at play?

> Have you?).
> That's what I'm talking about. When your brain is
> physically not producing enough of this, or too
> much of that, a lot of your Tony Robbins bullshit
> goes out the window.

It sounds like you have it all figured out, Misery... What exactly was/is your brain not producing enough of? Or too much of? Do you know for sure? How do you know? Did the doctors take the pH level of your brain? Did they take an fMRI? Did you get totally PET Scanned?

Even if your brain was "producing too much of that", how does that prove something is wrong with your brain? It just means your brain is working differently than other people's brains... What is so "wrong" with that?

If they knew what was "wrong" with your brain, don't you think they could come up with a way to "fix" it?

> At the very least, it makes
> it a bit more complicated. If mental illness was
> as visible as paraplegia, or cerebral palsy, far
> fewer empty platitudes would be thrown out
> whenever the subject arises.

This can work against you... They are not as visible... So how can you prove they are beyond your control? Am I supposed to just take your word for it?

>
> About the choosing to be miserable business...I
> know where that's coming from when you say
> it--mental illness is social illness, and
> therefore the lines become blurred very easily
> between what is acceptable disability for which I
> am not personally accountable, and what is
> unacceptable personal flaw of character on my
> part.

You may not be accountable for all the feelings you experience... but every action brings on its own feeling.

Who else, other than you, is accountable for your actions, Miz? Can you just do whatever you want and blame your "illness" for everything? Do you have no responsibility for your actions?

Does your brain control you? Or do you control your brain?

> It comes down to this....if my brain worked
> like yours, or the average healthy male's, we
> wouldn't be having this conversation right now.

How can you possibly know this? Cite your source please... Are you saying that this is a conversation that can only take place between a sick person and a healthy person? Two healthy people couldn't have this same conversation?

There are plenty of people who have read this thread, Misery... I am the one person that you are having this conversation with... Does that mean I am the only healthy person on this forum? Why is no one else jumping in? Is it possible that your logic is flawed?

> The fact opinion that it doesn't means that I have to
> wrestle with a lot more behavioral problems and
> questions of myself than a mentally healthy person
> does,

Please, how do you know what a "healthy" person wrestles with? How do you know what a "healthy" person even is?

> and the decisions I make in that context do
> come down to personal responsibility and
> character....but there is an over-arching
> dysfunction at play, and that's why I reject your
> point, or at least why I take issue with it.



> Does
> a paranoid schizophrenic choose to be that way?

I don't know... Do you know any paranoid schizophrenics we can talk to?

> I
> would say to you that saying 'you choose to be
> miserable' is just as convenient an excuse on the
> other side to shoo away the issue.

I'm not surprised.... You did say that you wished you lived in the 1800's... Would your brain chemistry be any different if you were born back then? What exactly about the 1800's would make you less miserable? Why can't you try to emulate that today?

The "choose to be miserable" argument offers hope of, one day, being happy. The "it's the way I am" argument offers you no hope... No choice but to be miserable...

Now you're telling me that a man with an imagination like yours, can't imagine a world where the choice is yours? You write Raisin Bran obituaries, but you think it's absurd to believe you have the freedom to choose what to believe in?

>
> People LOVE to tout 'personal responsibility' as
> the closing argument against addiction, for
> example, but I think most of the time, those
> people are full of shit.

Again, I'm not surprised.

> You have no idea how
> close you are at all times--however safe and
> secure you believe yourself to be--from losing it
> all.

Alright, motherfucker, I'm growing weary of you constantly telling me what I know or what I have no idea about. It's as if, in your mind, I'm some All-American, obnoxiously handsome, kid that you went to school with. You have no idea where I've been mentally, Mr. Misery.

> There's a lot of very conservative sentiment
> going around these days on that issue (and social
> diseases in general)....I think it's the 'in'
> thing to say...but the problem is much more
> complicated than the condemnation. And what you
> have given me is a very SIMPLE condemnation.

I'm not offering condemnation... I'm offering you a belief that offers hope. Why would you choose hopelessness?

> But,
> hell, we don't have time to get into deep
> philosophical discussions on every
> subject...

Forget every subject... This is the only one that really interests me right now.

> judgments are useful...and
> necessary...but they are ALWAYS flawed on some
> level.

Who is making the judgments, Misery?


>
> You missed the point of my initial post (the one
> to which you responded) by the way...but I'm too
> tired to go into it now.

Whenever you regain your strength, I will be here...

>
> anyway, it's my fault for bringing it up.

Are you sure it's not your brain chemistry's fault?

> This is
> not the place, of course.
> alright. that's enough.

Where is the place? PM?

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Mr. Misery Wrote:

>
> If you are arguing that your brain chemistry is
> different than mine, I don't doubt it. It's your
> argument that, because your brain chemistry is
> different than mine, something must be wrong with
> your brain that I take issue with. The whole "it's
> just the way I am" excuse is worn out. Everything
> in the universe is constantly changing, why should
> you be any different?

That doesn't make sense, Harry. Depression, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia--these are all documented, real mental illnesses. Obviously, if you have schizophrenia, something is "wrong" with your brain.

> Who was forcing you to take these meds? Did you
> have any control over that? You could choose to
> take them. Someone convinced you that something
> was "wrong" with your brain. I bet it didn't even
> take that much convincing...

no, it didn't take much convincing, because I was started on meds before I was old enough to choose for myself. So, yes, I was kind of 'forced' to take meds, since I was a child. A small child. Now I'm on that crazy train, and it's hard to get off.

>
> What evidence did you have that something was
> "wrong" with your brain? Some in-depth charts? A
> doctor said "You probably have ..."? Is the fact
> that you are miserable and felt like killing
> yourself all the proof you needed that something
> was wrong with your brain?

Yes, a doctor said I had delayed speech as a child, social issues, you name it. No, I have reams and reams of documentation from psychiatrists since I was 5 to prove that something does not work properly in my brain.

>
> Isn't there another explanation? Isn't it possible
> that some other factor was at play?
>

I don't know what you mean.

> It sounds like you have it all figured out,
> Misery... What exactly was/is your brain not
> producing enough of? Or too much of? Do you know
> for sure? How do you know? Did the doctors take
> the pH level of your brain? Did they take an fMRI?
> Did you get totally PET Scanned?

Seratonin, thyroid, among other things. Happy? Yes, I have had MANY tests done. All kinds of scans and cognitive tests.

>
> Even if your brain was "producing too much of
> that", how does that prove something is wrong with
> your brain? It just means your brain is working
> differently than other people's brains... What is
> so "wrong" with that?

It's "wrong", for lack of a better word, because not enough Serotonin, thyroid, etc. (I'm not a doctor, okay) can cause depression; brain chemistry is involved in schizophrenia, bipolar, you name it. No, those things are not desirable for a person to have. Again, I'm not a doctor, but that much I know. I'm sure you know that much too.

>
> If they knew what was "wrong" with your brain,
> don't you think they could come up with a way to
> "fix" it?

No, because there is no 'cure' for Asperger's Syndrome, clinical depression, social anxiety, etc. There are only treatments. And that means MEDS.

> This can work against you... They are not as
> visible... So how can you prove they are beyond
> your control? Am I supposed to just take your word
> for it?

I can't prove that, Harry. That's my point. That the line between what is 'illness' and what is 'personal responsibility' or flaw of character can be blurred very easily. I didn't ask you to take my word for anything...I just meant to explain the above point, which, evidently, did not penetrate your thick skull.

> You may not be accountable for all the feelings
> you experience... but every action brings on its
> own feeling.

...yeah...?

>
> Who else, other than you, is accountable for your
> actions, Miz? Can you just do whatever you want
> and blame your "illness" for everything? Do you
> have no responsibility for your actions?
>
> Does your brain control you? Or do you control
> your brain?

No one other than me. If I was a paranoid schizophrenic and I went out and shot someone because I thought they were plotting against me, the case would be a little more clear cut...we would have some argument. It happens in court everyday. But I don't have that, and I don't believe I intimated anything to say that I, personally, could do whatever I wanted without consequence. What I said was that there is some complexity involved...that a mental affliction can blur the line between culpability and accountability...and that's pretty much all I said. And yes, Harry, my brain controls me. Your brain controls you. The brain controls everything. If you want to bring morality into question, that's another thing, and it's too deep a subject to go into here, I'm afraid.

>
> How can you possibly know this? Cite your source
> please... Are you saying that this is a
> conversation that can only take place between a
> sick person and a healthy person? Two healthy
> people couldn't have this same conversation?

All I meant by that is I wouldn't be mentally ill, depressed, whatever, if my brain worked like yours (a non-depressed--I'm assuming, as you have not stated otherwise--person's), thus, I would not have broached the topic to begin with.

>
> There are plenty of people who have read this
> thread, Misery... I am the one person that you are
> having this conversation with... Does that mean I
> am the only healthy person on this forum? Why is
> no one else jumping in? Is it possible that your
> logic is flawed?

I don't know, Harry. Anything's possible.

>
> > The fact opinion that it doesn't means that I
> have to
> > wrestle with a lot more behavioral problems and
> > questions of myself than a mentally healthy
> person
> > does,
>
> Please, how do you know what a "healthy" person
> wrestles with? How do you know what a "healthy"
> person even is?

I was speaking in generalities...a person with no mental issues, for example, does not have to wrestle with the same problems a person with schizophrenia does...they don't have to deal with hearing voices, that kind of thing (an example, okay?). In relation to the unafflicted brain and the afflicted...

>
> > and the decisions I make in that context do
> > come down to personal responsibility and
> > character....but there is an over-arching
> > dysfunction at play, and that's why I reject
> your
> > point, or at least why I take issue with it.
>
>
>
> > Does
> > a paranoid schizophrenic choose to be that way?
>
> I don't know... Do you know any paranoid
> schizophrenics we can talk to?

I do, in fact. But no, I'm not going to bring him around here just to argue with you.

>
> > I
> > would say to you that saying 'you choose to be
> > miserable' is just as convenient an excuse on
> the
> > other side to shoo away the issue.
>
> I'm not surprised.... You did say that you wished
> you lived in the 1800's... Would your brain
> chemistry be any different if you were born back
> then? What exactly about the 1800's would make you
> less miserable? Why can't you try to emulate that
> today?

No, Harry, my brain chemistry would not be different if I was born in the 1800's. Again, you miss the point: what I was saying is that a lot of unhappiness we as humans feel has to do with expectations...and that, back then, life was tougher, and people expected to have it rough...I was drawing a comparison, that because in America today, we EXPECT to be happy, and when we aren't, we get disappointed, so we sort of set ourselves up to be unhappy anytime things don't go perfectly. In other words, you're reading it too literally.

>
> The "choose to be miserable" argument offers hope
> of, one day, being happy. The "it's the way I am"
> argument offers you no hope... No choice but to be
> miserable...
>
> Now you're telling me that a man with an
> imagination like yours, can't imagine a world
> where the choice is yours? You write Raisin Bran
> obituaries, but you think it's absurd to believe
> you have the freedom to choose what to believe
> in?

You're missing the gray, Harry. My point is, there's some complexity here and it's not all 'the way I am', nor is it all 'my choice'...it's complicated. I think the point you're getting tripped up on is my saying that you discount the 'nature' part of the equation too much...I never said that 'nurture' played no role.

>
> >
> > People LOVE to tout 'personal responsibility'
> as
> > the closing argument against addiction, for
> > example, but I think most of the time, those
> > people are full of shit.
>
> Again, I'm not surprised.
>
> > You have no idea how
> > close you are at all times--however safe and
> > secure you believe yourself to be--from losing
> it
> > all.
>
> Alright, motherfucker, I'm growing weary of you
> constantly telling me what I know or what I have
> no idea about. It's as if, in your mind, I'm some
> All-American, obnoxiously handsome, kid that you
> went to school with. You have no idea where I've
> been mentally, Mr. Misery.

I wasn't talking about you specifically, Harry. Settle down. Again, generalities. I was speaking in them.

>
> > There's a lot of very conservative sentiment
> > going around these days on that issue (and
> social
> > diseases in general)....I think it's the 'in'
> > thing to say...but the problem is much more
> > complicated than the condemnation. And what you
> > have given me is a very SIMPLE condemnation.
>
> I'm not offering condemnation... I'm offering you
> a belief that offers hope. Why would you choose
> hopelessness?

What you offered was a platitude...the overall point of EVERYTHING I wrote was that it's a much more complex issue than you made it in your initial post to me.

>
> > But,
> > hell, we don't have time to get into deep
> > philosophical discussions on every
> > subject...
>
> Forget every subject... This is the only one that
> really interests me right now.
>
> > judgments are useful...and
> > necessary...but they are ALWAYS flawed on some
> > level.
>
> Who is making the judgments, Misery?

Generalities. I was speaking about the need for judgments in general, and that by using them, sometimes we discount the complexity of a given subject. Again, I wasn't talking to you specifically.

>
>
> >
> > You missed the point of my initial post (the
> one
> > to which you responded) by the way...but I'm
> too
> > tired to go into it now.
>
> Whenever you regain your strength, I will be
> here...
>

Oh, I got my strength back. Here it is. Bitch.


> >
> > anyway, it's my fault for bringing it up.
>
> Are you sure it's not your brain chemistry's
> fault?
>
> > This is
> > not the place, of course.
> > alright. that's enough.
>
> Where is the place? PM?

Fuck you, Harry.

this is where i didnt care to read anymore, the brain cant be controlled, either by external or internal forces. everyone has "a voice" inside their head. the brain is complex and completely incomprehensible. there are many factors you cant solve or equate to any matter. thats what makes humans interesting. understanding the brain is like understanding time travel, many loopholes, segways, integers, bullshit, and the reality of the situation. it fascinates me. yet there is no way i can completely understand how the brain works.

You just get a little sore hearing the same old 'cheer up' line. You have to understand, I've heard that all my life....then somehow we got into this deep, convoluted thing.......point is--end of story--IT AIN'T THAT SIMPLE. And that's really all I meant to say. Jeezus.

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> Obviously, if
> you have schizophrenia, something is "wrong" with
> your brain.

I don't think it's that obvious. Is it your belief that different = wrong?


> no, it didn't take much convincing, because I was
> started on meds before I was old enough to choose
> for myself. So, yes, I was kind of 'forced' to
> take meds, since I was a child. A small child. Now
> I'm on that crazy train, and it's hard to get
> off.

I believe in you... (Being sincere)... If you really want to get off of them, you can do it.



> Yes, a doctor said I had delayed speech as a
> child, social issues, you name it. No, I have
> reams and reams of documentation from
> psychiatrists since I was 5 to prove that
> something does not work properly in my brain.

Without being too specific, how does it "prove" that something isn't working "properly"? How does all of this tie into you being miserable?

>
> >
> > Isn't there another explanation? Isn't it
> possible
> > that some other factor was at play?
> >
>
> I don't know what you mean.

The fact that you contemplate suicide doesn't mean that something is wrong with you... There are other possibilities.


> No, because there is no 'cure' for Asperger's
> Syndrome, clinical depression, social anxiety,
> etc. There are only treatments. And that means
> MEDS.

My point was that nobody knows what's "wrong" with you. No one can tell you WHY your Thyroid/Seratonin is doing what it's doing. No one knows what causes Asperger's. My point is that your "I can't do anything about it, it's the way I was born" mentality is not helping you. It's not offering you any other way out. It's a path of hopelessness.

> I can't prove that, Harry. That's my point. That
> the line between what is 'illness' and what is
> 'personal responsibility' or flaw of character can
> be blurred very easily.

Exactly... I think we are converging... It's almost impossible to tell what causes what! Like I asked in the above paragraph, why are you adopting a hopeless outlook?

> I didn't ask you to take
> my word for anything...I just meant to explain the
> above point, which, evidently, did not penetrate
> your thick skull.

Is there really any need for insults here, Misery?

> No one other than me.

You control your actions, you can choose to act in ways that change how you feel.

> And yes, Harry, my brain controls me. Your
> brain controls you. The brain controls everything.

I apologize for the false dichotomy... I agree that your brain controls a lot... But you still have, at least some, control over your brain.

> I was speaking in generalities...a person with no
> mental issues,

Ever met one of these people?

> for example, does not have to
> wrestle with the same problems a person with
> schizophrenia does...they don't have to deal with
> hearing voices, that kind of thing (an example,
> okay?). In relation to the unafflicted brain and
> the afflicted...

Ok, but everyone I've ever met wrestles with feeling depressed....


> I do, in fact. But no, I'm not going to bring him
> around here just to argue with you.

Ask him for me... I don't need to talk to him. You brought it up to begin with.


> No, Harry, my brain chemistry would not be
> different if I was born in the 1800's. Again, you
> miss the point: what I was saying is that a lot of
> unhappiness we as humans feel has to do with
> expectations...

Expectations are something that a person has control of... Expectations aren't brain chemistry.

> and that, back then, life was
> tougher, and people expected to have it rough...I
> was drawing a comparison, that because in America
> today, we EXPECT to be happy, and when we aren't,
> we get disappointed, so we sort of set ourselves
> up to be unhappy anytime things don't go
> perfectly. In other words, you're reading it too
> literally.

So you're saying that something other than your brain chemistry is contributing to your unhappiness?


> You're missing the gray, Harry. My point is,
> there's some complexity here and it's not all 'the
> way I am', nor is it all 'my choice'...it's
> complicated.

Ok, shit is complicated. But how is the "nature" perspective that you subscribe to helping you feel better?

> I think the point you're getting
> tripped up on is my saying that you discount the
> 'nature' part of the equation too much...I never
> said that 'nurture' played no role.

So you don't completely disagree that you have control over your misery? Keep in mind, I never said you have ABSOLUTE control... I just said you had control.

>
> I wasn't talking about you specifically, Harry.
> Settle down. Again, generalities. I was speaking
> in them.

Why were you confusing me with generalities when I was clearly speaking about you specifically? Were you trying to change the subject?


> What you offered was a platitude...the overall
> point of EVERYTHING I wrote was that it's a much
> more complex issue than you made it in your
> initial post to me.

I'm glad we're finally getting somewhere... My overall point was that it's more complex than you initially made it seem.


> Oh, I got my strength back. Here it is. Bitch.
>

Did you eat chicken soup?

> Fuck you, Harry.

Haha, I love you too, Misery. I'm glad we can have these discussions without anyone getting their feelings hurt.

It gives me faith in mankind... How progressive we are becoming!

Bottom line, many people treat mental illness as trivial. It is a real disease, and psychology/psychiatry is a very crude branch of medicine.

It's really surprising how little the medical community knows about the brain and its functions, and the medication for the various mental disorders is just as crude.

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> > Obviously, if
> > you have schizophrenia, something is "wrong"
> with
> > your brain.
>
> I don't think it's that obvious. Is it your belief
> that different = wrong?


That's really stupid. I didn't know schizophrenia was a state of being "different." It's a real disability.

We're not getting through to each other, Harry. I can't go point-by-point again...I'm too tired. I think the problem is, you're not being a person with me. That's alright. Be tongue-in-cheek. If you can't agree with me that schizophrenia is not a good thing to have, then I have to assume you're being glib. It's hard to tell over the internet. Especially for a mildly autistic person such as myself (I'm sure you'll have something to say about that, too).

Just so you know, I was keeping it real this whole time. I can't tell with you anymore.

thank you, eesh.

Are you saying that Schizophrenics are inferior? You want to assign a value to being Schizophrenic?

Sure, there are things we can do that Schizophrenics can't do... Likewise, there are things they can do that we can't...

I'm not saying that Schizophrenics don't face hardships... I'm just saying that everyone does.

To say one is more "disabled" than the other is "stupid", in my opinion.

"Different" is the only reasonable thing to call it.

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> That's really stupid. I didn't know schizophrenia
> was a state of being "different." It's a real
> disability.

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>
> I'm not saying that Schizophrenics don't face
> hardships... I'm just saying that everyone does.
>
> To say one is more "disabled" than the other is
> "stupid", in my opinion.


That's even more stupid, and borderline douchebag reasoning. Schizophrenics have misfires and chemical imbalances in their brain, it's as serious a condition as high-blood pressure, cancer, kidney failure.....

As far as everyone facing hardships, yeah, mortgage payments, job security, taxes, etc. are a bitch, but the ordinary person struggling to survive doesn't have hallucinations every waking moment, crippling paranoia, etc.

Then there is the medication, anti-psychotics that cause involuntary muscle movements, rapid weight gain that causes diabetes, blurry vision, dry mouth...

Are you getting the picture Harry? I thought you were smarter than this, it's really disappointing.

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> That's even more stupid, and borderline douchebag
> reasoning. Schizophrenics have misfires and
> chemical imbalances in their brain, it's as
> serious a condition as high-blood pressure,
> cancer, kidney failure.....

Ask someone with high blood-pressure if they'd like the be called disabled... Ask someone with cancer the same question. Sure it sucks but, like you just said, people without mental "illnesses" can go through some shit too. I'm not making light of what they are going through... I am just not sub-categorizing them or treating them any different than I would a regular person... Why has that not been a problem until the topic of mental "illness"?

>
> As far as everyone facing hardships, yeah,
> mortgage payments, job security, taxes, etc. are a
> bitch, but the ordinary person struggling to
> survive doesn't have hallucinations every waking
> moment, crippling paranoia, etc.

What's an ordinary person? Why aren't people with mental illnesses "ordinary"? Why must we continue to add labels to people and categorize them and dehumanize them? They are still people. Is it my reluctance to add subjective labels and values what's bothering you, eesh?

>
> Then there is the medication, anti-psychotics that
> cause involuntary muscle movements, rapid weight
> gain that causes diabetes, blurry vision, dry
> mouth...

Sounds like the treatment is worse than the symptoms...

>
> Are you getting the picture Harry? I thought you
> were smarter than this, it's really disappointing.

Can't win 'em all I guess. I knew that the subject of mental illnesses was a touchy one around here. I don't see anything wrong with having a discussion about them. Like I said before, I'm not trying to minimize the hardships of anybody...

I don't see why we have to resort to name calling on this issue.

True dat. Did you know that "restless leg syndrome" is actually a real thing? It's called Akathisia...and it's about a lot more than having the jimmy-legs. I was rushed to the hospital just a week ago when I had an attack of this, brought on by an anti-psychotic medication I was on (my pill shrink gave it to me 'off-label' for insomnia)....it's the most terrifying feeling I've ever had. It's like your whole body is about to jump out of your skin....you can't stay still. It's hard to describe. Anyway, those anti-psychotic meds are downright dangerous in my opinion. You do not want to be on that shit. Seroquel is like a lobotomy in a pill. So, after having been on it for at least five years (only recently came off it), I consider myself pretty well lobotomized. I think years of that shit has done real damage to my mind....and to think, all that time my doctor had me on it just for sleep. It's INSANE. NO ONE should be prescribed Seroquel just to help them sleep. I feel like the world's biggest ass for having taken it that long.

anyway...

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> Can't win 'em all I guess. I knew that the subject
> of mental illnesses was a touchy one around here.
> I don't see anything wrong with having a
> discussion about them. Like I said before, I'm not
> trying to minimize the hardships of anybody...


Bullshit. You are minimizing their hardships. Your argument has been that schizophrenia and mental illness in general are more novelties than real disabilities.

Using your logic, a person without legs isn't disabled, they just have a unique appearance.

eesh Wrote:
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> Harry Tuttle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Can't win 'em all I guess. I knew that the
> subject
> > of mental illnesses was a touchy one around
> here.
> > I don't see anything wrong with having a
> > discussion about them. Like I said before, I'm
> not
> > trying to minimize the hardships of anybody...
>
>
> Bullshit. You are minimizing their hardships. Your
> argument has been that schizophrenia and mental
> illness in general are more novelties than real
> disabilities.

I was not speaking in general. I was originally speaking, very specifically, about Mr. Misery and his misery. I was simply pointing out that there are things he can actively do to make himself feel better that don't involve medicine.

You seemed to take issue with my refusing to say that something is "wrong" with Schizophrenics. Schizophrenics have it rough, and I wouldn't want to be one, but I refuse to say that something is "wrong" with them.

>
> Using your logic, a person without legs isn't
> disabled, they just have a unique appearance.

That's like the Handicapped vs Handicapable argument. Is your position that there is something "wrong" with a person without legs?

Harry, you're just arguing for the hell of it. Goodbye.

deepak chopra Wrote:
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> 50% of happiness is determined by your genes. your
> body has a set point that can be altered by diet,
> exercise and meditation.
>
> 40% is situational. like if your at a funeral or
> party.
>
> only 10% is a result of having money or financial
> security.

I'd like to test that 10% theory. I just need the money first.

Re: Is your life going well? Or not well? new
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: March 21, 2010 10:11PM


gm1 are you of the hippie persuasion?




Yes, Tie-dye shirts Birkenstock sandals, and I had a 10" ponytail but cut my hair short

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graymoose1 Wrote:
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>
> Yes, Tie-dye shirts Birkenstock sandals, and I
> had a 10" ponytail but cut my hair short


weird. i hope you are kidding.

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>
> Yes, Tie-dye shirts Birkenstock sandals, and I
> had a 10" ponytail but cut my hair short


Graymoose, do you drive a VW van?

BB I'm not kidding and eesh, no but I wish I had one.

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> BB I'm not kidding and eesh, no but I wish I had
> one.


If you ever get the time, go to Bisbee Arizona. The place is completely filled with people that refuse to leave the 1960s. Seriously, everyone looks like a granola crunch Jerry Garcia fan.

Funny thing is, I was never a Dead Head and to BB, I cut my hair because I'm getting bald on top and it was looking silly.

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> Funny thing is, I was never a Dead Head and to BB,
> I cut my hair because I'm getting bald on top and
> it was looking silly.



A balding moose? I'm sure the antlers distract people from the bald spot.

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> BB I'm not kidding and eesh, no but I wish I had
> one.

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>Graymoose, do you drive a VW van?
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LMAO Now that would be nice to have

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