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Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: From a Disinterested Party ()
Date: July 08, 2019 12:35PM

So for many of us with lives its difficult to understand half of the ravings going on in these threads. The names 'Mark' 'Miz' 'eesh' 'Philip Leiser' mean nothing to us nor do rants about various accusations of money owed nor court actions.

I took it upon myself to look up the latter name and 'Moreno' and found a fascinating case Moreno v. Basl case 17-32341-KLP https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5af90ff88d82840a91f758cd

Its interesting in that William and Sharon Moreno (plaintiffs) were pleading to have their million dollar settlement against Josef Basl (defendant) held as non-dis-chargeable under bankruptcy code. Basl had filed for Chapter 7 protection and sought to have all his debts discharged after liquidation of his assets.

Its an interesting read by the Judge - essentially plaintiffs lost because they failed to show malice in defendant needed to hold the debt non-dis-chargeable. Surprising given the level of damages awarded to the Morenos in a previous stalking ruling against Basl. It would seem plantif's error was assuming the previous judgement alone would satisfy the malice requirement for debt non-dis-chargeabilty - it didnt.

So Morenos won a large monetary award in a stalking case (borne from Fairfax Underground altercation gone into the real world) but could collect none of it because the defendant simply filed for Chapter 7.

As is the case so many times in legal actions no one wins. People seeking 'justice' through litigation are misinformed and usually disappointed. Its expensive and takes a lot of time and in the end you cannot get blood from a stone. I feel sorry for all involved really.

In closing, all these posts here about the 'Miz' (sorry dont know the story there) and Phillip Leiser are undoubtedly by Josef Basl using most if not all of his time here in some misguided or pathological belief he can extract some kind of understanding or justice himself. An unlikely outcome. If you are one of the few still visiting this site wondering who the person who is always here, always talking about lawyer fees of others, or 'Gerry' or 'Miz' or 'Leiser' and yes, a strong proponent for Trump and probably a self-loathing gay person - I believe it is Josef.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Very well written post ()
Date: July 08, 2019 12:44PM

Good job, Your meds must be working.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Hi Mr. Basl ()
Date: July 08, 2019 12:51PM

Hi Mr. Basl - may I call you Josef?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: 93fjn ()
Date: July 08, 2019 12:59PM

Ironic the person that posts every 10 minutes about mooching libtards used Chapter 7 to get out of his debts and is now himself penniless with the worst possible credit rating for the next 7 years. Chapter 7 means no one will loan you a dime for at least 7 years.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Hey Wiz ()
Date: July 08, 2019 01:07PM

May I call you weak?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: It was a lose-lose ()
Date: July 08, 2019 01:10PM

Looks like the Morenos when on the cheap and just submitted the previous judgement without thought to standards for the new case. They needed to spend substantial funds to provide evidence of malice (which surely existed). Even then, they never would have collected a fraction of the 1 million plus from Mr. Basl - he is unemployed with virtually no assets. No doubt he will be a burden on society for the remainder of his life.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Very funny stuff ()
Date: July 08, 2019 01:12PM

It was a lose-lose Wrote:
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> Looks like the Morenos when on the cheap and just
> submitted the previous judgement without thought
> to standards for the new case. They needed to
> spend substantial funds to provide evidence of
> malice (which surely existed). Even then, they
> never would have collected a fraction of the 1
> million plus from Mr. Basl - he is unemployed with
> virtually no assets. No doubt he will be a burden
> on society for the remainder of his life.


Say's the guy on SSI. HAHAHAHA!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: mxpnn ()
Date: July 08, 2019 01:32PM

Very funny stuff Wrote:
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> It was a lose-lose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looks like the Morenos when on the cheap and
> just
> > submitted the previous judgement without
> thought
> > to standards for the new case. They needed to
> > spend substantial funds to provide evidence of
> > malice (which surely existed). Even then, they
> > never would have collected a fraction of the 1
> > million plus from Mr. Basl - he is unemployed
> with
> > virtually no assets. No doubt he will be a
> burden
> > on society for the remainder of his life.
>
>
> Say's the guy on SSI. HAHAHAHA!

Mr. Basl is 'SSI' Social Security Income - you think I am a person who receives these benefits? I assume you do not dispute the veracity of my assumptions.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: pn9mu ()
Date: July 08, 2019 01:49PM

hmmm, seems to have scared him off for the moment. I hope he finds peace outside of this virtual reality, I really do.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: spam prevention ()
Date: July 08, 2019 02:19PM

yea he wont be bumping this thread anymore. Imagine what he could have done with the energy he has put into stalking, and trolling. Hell, seems he could have been a crappy lawyer if he had put his mind to it.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: sureokkk ()
Date: July 08, 2019 02:51PM

So Basl is the guy that is constantly snarking at others for being lazy or libtarded and on the Dole? He has to be on State assistance.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Question for the op ()
Date: July 08, 2019 03:11PM

If your so obsessed w/ this Basil guy, why don't you just ask him out?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: hi mr basl ()
Date: July 08, 2019 03:46PM

hardly obsessed, just with the volume of posting he does I finally checked the story out. is that you mr. basl?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: nobody cares...no one, really ()
Date: July 08, 2019 03:58PM

no one cares about Miz or Basl...no one, really no one at all. really.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: The right to an answer ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:07PM

nobody cares...no one, really Wrote:
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> no one cares about Miz or Basl...no one, really no
> one at all. really.


People will continue to care until we get all the answers.

What the fuck is sharon sitting on?
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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Green car ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:11PM

The Moreno's can always refile after eesh's chapter 7 runs out after 7 years. All eesh did was give himself 7 years of bad credit and liquidate his assets.

As for all the bumping of Lessor and Miz threads, we all came to the same conclusion that eesh is throwing a temper tantrum for some reason.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: I don't get it ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:15PM

Why does this guy take his mother along to fight his battles? He should be ashamed to be defended by his mother of all people. Like a Tony Perkins movie.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Read the Testimony ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:34PM

I don't get it Wrote:
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> Why does this guy take his mother along to fight
> his battles? He should be ashamed to be defended
> by his mother of all people. Like a Tony Perkins
> movie.

Read the lawsuit Moreno's filed against eesh and the court testimony. It's post on here some place.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: I know what she is sitting on ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:35PM

It's lizzie's dildo - sharon wanted to return it in exchange for miz's laptop.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: nobody cares...no one, really ()
Date: July 08, 2019 04:38PM

No one cares that moreno and his mother have a relationship...or that he wrote about his fantasies. No one really care that he thought that Basl dude was sexy...no one!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: You are Correct Sir ()
Date: July 08, 2019 05:23PM

We don't

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: baloney ()
Date: July 08, 2019 05:33PM

I don't get it Wrote:
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> Why does this guy take his mother along to fight
> his battles? He should be ashamed to be defended
> by his mother of all people. Like a Tony Perkins
> movie.


You never involve your mom. And this is the guy everyone though was some kind of great writer and artist? You guys blow!!!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: mildly interesting ()
Date: July 08, 2019 06:45PM

So Mr. Basl spends the afternoon here 'defending' himself by discussing his victims. Not a very logical approach. When you lose a 1.4 million dollar suit brought against you then file Chapter 7 why not just move on with your life? Why keep dragging it out?

Finally, all 3 Morenos were awarded 6 figure judgements against Mr. Basl so its incorrect to say one brought another to court or the 'fight' - they filed as plaintiffs together and each won awards by the jury.

No idea who Liz or Miz are if there is a case on them Im glad to review it. This is mildly interesting.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: sock puppet central ()
Date: July 08, 2019 06:54PM

boring, really really lame attempt.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: C&B, LLC ()
Date: July 08, 2019 08:22PM

Good evening Mr. Moreno,

May I call you William or perhaps you prefer to be known as Miz? You were banned from this site in no uncertain terms. You have harassed, stalked, defamed, and libeled as many as a couple dozen individuals, many of whom did absolutely nothing to harm you and many were not even regulat visitors to Fairfax Underground. In fact you have done more things -- and worse things, to harm more people than your Internet adversary was even accused of.

You ruined your family's reputation and finances, and contributed to the untimely death of your father. You claim to have been injured on this site, yet you constantly return to pick up your imbecilic jihad.

Had you been paying attention during the time your boyfriend Mr. Basl was away for impersonating your dead cat, you would have noticed that there was little to no change in posts made about you. Evidently you were the only one who failed to notice and process that information.

To put it succinctly, nobody likes you, and nobody wants you here. Now run along back to your elderly widowed mother who still works to support your pathetic existence and who loves you as mothers are wont to do. Try not to take her with you on your stalking expeditions. She is almost 70.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: oh, and miz? ()
Date: July 08, 2019 08:25PM

lizzie gets out in three months!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Starban ()
Date: July 08, 2019 09:10PM

What is this about impersonating a dead cat?

Meow bitches.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: so well written OP ()
Date: July 08, 2019 10:02PM

Great post OP, love the detail. You're right, everyone is a loser in the end. Surprised he came back, but I'm glad he did, it's fun to watch the shit show from afar.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Miz=W Moreno who knew ()
Date: July 08, 2019 11:08PM

C&B, LLC Wrote:
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> Good evening Mr. Moreno,
>
> May I call you William or perhaps you prefer to be
> known as Miz? You were banned from this site in no
> uncertain terms. You have harassed, stalked,
> defamed, and libeled as many as a couple dozen
> individuals, many of whom did absolutely nothing
> to harm you and many were not even regulat
> visitors to Fairfax Underground. In fact you have
> done more things -- and worse things, to harm more
> people than your Internet adversary was even
> accused of.
>
> You ruined your family's reputation and finances,
> and contributed to the untimely death of your
> father. You claim to have been injured on this
> site, yet you constantly return to pick up your
> imbecilic jihad.
>
> Had you been paying attention during the time your
> boyfriend Mr. Basl was away for impersonating your
> dead cat, you would have noticed that there was
> little to no change in posts made about you.
> Evidently you were the only one who failed to
> notice and process that information.
>
> To put it succinctly, nobody likes you, and nobody
> wants you here. Now run along back to your
> elderly widowed mother who still works to support
> your pathetic existence and who loves you as
> mothers are wont to do. Try not to take her with
> you on your stalking expeditions. She is almost
> 70.

So 'Miz' is William Moreno? Ok that clears that up. Are you commenting in general or do you believe he started the thread? I started it and I assure you that I am not he.

Were there legal actions against the alleged actions taken by Mr. Moreno? Id be interested in reading those cases too. Ill continue to refer to you as Mr. Basl as you have not indicated you wish to be called by your first name.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Who cares? ()
Date: July 08, 2019 11:18PM

nobody cares

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: astounding ()
Date: July 08, 2019 11:29PM

Sort of amusing, attempting to sort out FFXU drama. It is actually amazing how far so much of the acrimony went. Lawsuits, judgements, prison. All over a shitty forum. Astounding.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Good Evening Miz, ()
Date: July 08, 2019 11:58PM

Miz=W Moreno who knew Wrote:
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> C&B, LLC Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Good evening Mr. Moreno,
> >
> > May I call you William or perhaps you prefer to
> be
> > known as Miz? You were banned from this site in
> no
> > uncertain terms. You have harassed, stalked,
> > defamed, and libeled as many as a couple dozen
> > individuals, many of whom did absolutely
> nothing
> > to harm you and many were not even regulat
> > visitors to Fairfax Underground. In fact you
> have
> > done more things -- and worse things, to harm
> more
> > people than your Internet adversary was even
> > accused of.
> >
> > You ruined your family's reputation and
> finances,
> > and contributed to the untimely death of your
> > father. You claim to have been injured on this
> > site, yet you constantly return to pick up your
> > imbecilic jihad.
> >
> > Had you been paying attention during the time
> your
> > boyfriend Mr. Basl was away for impersonating
> your
> > dead cat, you would have noticed that there was
> > little to no change in posts made about you.
> > Evidently you were the only one who failed to
> > notice and process that information.
> >
> > To put it succinctly, nobody likes you, and
> nobody
> > wants you here. Now run along back to your
> > elderly widowed mother who still works to
> support
> > your pathetic existence and who loves you as
> > mothers are wont to do. Try not to take her
> with
> > you on your stalking expeditions. She is
> almost
> > 70.
>
> So 'Miz' is William Moreno? Ok that clears that
> up. Are you commenting in general or do you
> believe he started the thread? I started it and I
> assure you that I am not he.
>
> Were there legal actions against the alleged
> actions taken by Mr. Moreno? Id be interested in
> reading those cases too. Ill continue to refer to
> you as Mr. Basl as you have not indicated you wish
> to be called by your first name.

You may call me whatever you like. I certainly do not refer to myself as Mr. Basl nor do I use any other name associated with that individual.

Nevertheless it is quite odd -- bordering on inconceivable -- that someone who is truly disinterested and who purports to be ignorant of most of the events and details of the past five to eight years surrounding the Miz/Liz/eesh/Megan drama would assign authorship and the motivation of random posts to some specific individual based purely on reading one single case summary, much less do so with such a sense of conviction and certainty.

Indeed, if you are not the pedophile and banned poster Mr. William Robert Moreno, aka Mr. Misery aka Miz aka jimmylegs, you most definitely are someone with an affiliation to the Moreno Crime Family, their "crack legal team", or the case.

Bottom Line: You are a sock puppet and no one is buying your story. Hasta la vista, Miz, Phil, David, Sharon, or whoever you really are...(and try to get over your gay crush on eesh)
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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: can't wait til lizzie gets out ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:06AM

she is SO ready to finish the job on miz.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: nope not William ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:13AM

^no Im really not affiliated with anyone from this site or with any interest in any of the legal matters. I surmised that the obsessive behavior against those who I now know are the Moreno family would logically be from the very person whose life was destroyed by the very same behavior. Its speculation to be sure.

I guess my motivation and ultimately the revelation was trying to understand what type of a person would have such easily identifiable obsession with those topics and this site. I read the case cited and I can honestly say it was amazing to me this virtual sillyness here metastasized into into such an unhappy real world outcome.

This brings to mind the woman who ended her life, many allege, due to postings on this site. Its strange to think how serious and harmful this seemingly inane site can become in the real world.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: person whose life was destroyed ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:19AM

That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo article 'our lives are ruined!'

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Some Casual Observations ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:21AM

As a casual observer I would say you are way off.

When I came here Eesh was one of the BMOC. He was involved in this soap opera with other personas including Miz and Lizzie. Their antics were largely ignored by most on this forum. Meanwhile Phil Leiser was just an attorney who got a minimal amount of bad publicity here by trying to collect from one of his deadbeat clients.

Then the shit hit the fan, and the soap opera moved to center stage. When that happened behavior on this forum that was attributed to Miz left a number of posters ill disposed towards Miz. That continues to today. Eesh may still be taking shots at Miz, but whenever someone tries to stir up support for Miz it isn't just Eesh who throws water on it. Maybe this is something you have to live through to recognize.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: ah, miz, you just ID'd yourself ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:24AM

Some Casual Observations Wrote:
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> Maybe this is something you
> have to live through to recognize.


Like you did, right miz? Oh, and I still think PYBR jokes are funny.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Wow are you off ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:28AM

That was a post from someone who is indicating why there is support for Team Eesh on this forum. Why would Miz post something like that?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: oh, a few reasons ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:32AM

Primarily to try to rationalize why it is that eesh is preferred over miz (ie you).

miz, we all know this is you.

And FFS, quit crowing abuout eesh's life being destroyed.

You have destroyed your entire family and a good part of its finances.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Bankruptcy ()
Date: July 09, 2019 01:36AM

Kind of funny that the Moreno's lawyers are all declaring bankruptcy themselves or being sued and on the run from creditors. The case links are all here you can look them up. The Leiser's house was even foreclosed and up for auction, not sure what happened though.

A few years ago as a result of underwater real estate and a divorce I too had to file Chapter 7. In truth I was surprised there was really not much of a negative effect at all. I kept a couple credit cards, but even if I hadn't, it is easy to get a secured card which can be switched to credit or used to establish credit. I also bought another house shortly after my bankruptcy and was surprised to find that lenders do not view bankruptcy as a showstopper. The interest rate was not as good, but I have since refinanced to the going market rate.

My experience is not unique and bankruptcy is not the stigma or horror it was in the past.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: That's nothing ()
Date: July 09, 2019 02:03AM

I don't get it Wrote:
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> Why does this guy take his mother along to fight
> his battles? He should be ashamed to be defended
> by his mother of all people. Like a Tony Perkins
> movie.

His father told a reporter that he couldn't come to the phone because "he's in a deep depression, he's got the covers over his head." Go the 2:30 point in the video to hear it.

https://wtvr.com/2015/07/25/richmond-man-at-the-center-of-a-reign-of-terror-cyber-bulling-lawsuit/

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Moving on up to the eastside ()
Date: July 09, 2019 06:44AM

Eesh isn't broke anymore. He found his niche
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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Hey Wiz ()
Date: July 09, 2019 08:25AM

Go back to Ronnie Calhoun...this is just too lame.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Richmond Follies ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:13AM

Moving on up to the eastside Wrote:
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> Eesh isn't broke anymore. He found his niche


Lol, and Meade is a famous singer.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Sterling Sharpe ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:05PM

LOL, and Miz is a famous artist

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: spam prevention ()
Date: July 09, 2019 12:38PM

Bankruptcy Wrote:
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> Kind of funny that the Moreno's lawyers are all
> declaring bankruptcy themselves or being sued and
> on the run from creditors. The case links are all
> here you can look them up. The Leiser's house was
> even foreclosed and up for auction, not sure what
> happened though.
>
> A few years ago as a result of underwater real
> estate and a divorce I too had to file Chapter 7.
> In truth I was surprised there was really not much
> of a negative effect at all. I kept a couple
> credit cards, but even if I hadn't, it is easy to
> get a secured card which can be switched to credit
> or used to establish credit. I also bought
> another house shortly after my bankruptcy and was
> surprised to find that lenders do not view
> bankruptcy as a showstopper. The interest rate
> was not as good, but I have since refinanced to
> the going market rate.
>
> My experience is not unique and bankruptcy is not
> the stigma or horror it was in the past.

Hi Mr. Basl,

Cool story about buying a new house this past year - mobil home?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Well hello ()
Date: July 09, 2019 01:19PM

Mr Moreno, May I call you Willy? I see you have a new fantasy shtick. Have you found a new mix of your 25 meds that keep you lucid for a few hours? That's excellent. Your girl will be out soon. LOLZ!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: eesh takes the bait ()
Date: July 09, 2019 01:21PM

God you're so easy to get worked up

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Sorry.... ()
Date: July 09, 2019 01:26PM

Not eesh, (your gay fantasy) just someone who has fucked w/ you for a while. Time to get back to work...fuck w/ you later. HAHAHAHAHA!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Disinterested Party ()
Date: July 09, 2019 01:30PM

person whose life was destroyed Wrote:
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> That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo
> article 'our lives are ruined!'


I never said 'our lives are ruined' but it makes sense that everyone associated with this lawsuit came out the worse for it (except judge and jury).

What I said was 'the very person whose life was destroyed by the very same behavior' - I was referring to Mr. Basl and his apparent OCD - after a 1.4 million dollar judgement, then chapter 7 and I believe there was an arrest and jail time, Basl would likely qualify for saying his life was destroyed. I doubt that was what he or his parents envisioned his young adulthood would be growing up.

The fact that he still frequents this place is, I suppose, a predictable manifestation of just how extreme his dysfunction is.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: sdsdff ()
Date: July 09, 2019 03:29PM

lol

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: jesus christ miz...... ()
Date: July 09, 2019 05:59PM

Disinterested Party Wrote:
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> person whose life was destroyed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo
> > article 'our lives are ruined!'
>
>
> I never said 'our lives are ruined' but it makes
> sense that everyone associated with this lawsuit
> came out the worse for it (except judge and jury).
>
>
> What I said was 'the very person whose life was
> destroyed by the very same behavior'
- I was
> referring to Mr. Basl and his apparent OCD - after
> a 1.4 million dollar judgement, then chapter 7 and
> I believe there was an arrest and jail time, Basl
> would likely qualify for saying his life was
> destroyed. I doubt that was what he or his
> parents envisioned his young adulthood would be
> growing up.
>
> The fact that he still frequents this place is, I
> suppose, a predictable manifestation of just how
> extreme his dysfunction is.

give this shit up already. Nobody fucked themselves over this site as badly as you did. An dyes, we know this is you. Why don't YOU move on? Never mind about eesh!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Spam prevention ()
Date: July 09, 2019 08:34PM

jesus christ miz...... Wrote:
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> Disinterested Party Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > person whose life was destroyed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo
> > > article 'our lives are ruined!'
> >
> >
> > I never said 'our lives are ruined' but it
> makes
> > sense that everyone associated with this
> lawsuit
> > came out the worse for it (except judge and
> jury).
> >
> >
> > What I said was 'the very person whose life
> was
> > destroyed by the very same behavior'
- I
> was
> > referring to Mr. Basl and his apparent OCD -
> after
> > a 1.4 million dollar judgement, then chapter 7
> and
> > I believe there was an arrest and jail time,
> Basl
> > would likely qualify for saying his life was
> > destroyed. I doubt that was what he or his
> > parents envisioned his young adulthood would be
> > growing up.
> >
> > The fact that he still frequents this place is,
> I
> > suppose, a predictable manifestation of just
> how
> > extreme his dysfunction is.
>
> give this shit up already. Nobody fucked
> themselves over this site as badly as you did. An
> dyes, we know this is you. Why don't YOU move on?
> Never mind about eesh!

How could you possibly know who I am? I cannot prove who I am not. Why is it so important to you?

I have stated I thought both sides lost in this case - I wouldnt want to be any of the parties. All I know is one party was stalked and harassed and the other party, most certainly you, had a 1.4 million dollar judgement against you and went Chapter 7. Did the plaintiffs suffer more harm than you - I honestly have no idea.

After reading the Judge's ruling, I finally realized what type of person would go to such lengths over a website like this one. Same person that raves hear all day every day. Remarkable really.


Only thing interesting about this whole thing is I finally realized the who and why of this site regarding the OCD poster who is always so angry and thinks he is a master troll.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: miz stfu ()
Date: July 09, 2019 08:54PM

Aren't you supposed to be taking some sort of life skills course in how to take the bus, fill out a job application at McDonalds, etc?

Why, oh why, do you keep coming back to a site that allegedly traumatized you?

And how can you posit yourself as having come out better than eesh?
He did not blow a fortune on lawyers, did not kill his father and alienate his family, did not make an ass of himself on tv, and does not have a psycho girlfriend about to get out of prison and finish the job she started on 9-11.

You are NEVER going regain the status you once imagined yourself to have here. You were always the biggest joke on a forum full of jokes. At least eesh has moved on. Yes, he still posts here, and is even vaguely respected here. That door is closed to you.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: BTW, Mr. SP ()
Date: July 09, 2019 09:32PM

It's "here", you fucking retard.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: DPdp ()
Date: July 09, 2019 09:42PM

Mr. Basl,

Ive obviously struck a nerve, I imagine that is easy to do with you.

Again, I dont presume to know who was damaged more by this entire episode. The only facts I have are the ones in the Chapter 7 ruling. Chapter 7 and a 1.4 Million dollar judgement seem like formidable losses. I dont know about these other injuries and losses you speak of but as I have repeatedly have said - everyone involved lost.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: dpdp ()
Date: July 09, 2019 09:48PM

Also, 'Liz' is Mr. Moreno's girlfriend and is currently incarcerated? I guess another piece of the puzzle.

Oh and one more thing, you alluded to the ability to have 'status' on this website - is it your belief random, anonymous posters can achieve some kind of elevated social standing vis-a-vis this website? Is that possible and if so how do you imagine that accomplished?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Hey mizzer ()
Date: July 09, 2019 09:55PM

You, as usual keep saying the same thing over and over, ALL slanted towards your boy desire, eesh. Try switching it up for a more believable factor. OK Mrs.Moreno?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: probably wasting my time ()
Date: July 09, 2019 09:56PM

I am not eesh. eesh would never respond to you - he is wise to your pathetic attempts at baiting him, and wise enough to steer clear of you. After all there are plenty of other miz haters to pick up his slack.

You were damaged more - you have been reduced to participating in some sort of remedial program for retards.

And the trail you left behind! That sorry WaPo story, tootguy (more about him below) telling the world you were hiding under the covers, that picture of sharon chaperoning you on your ill-fated mission to retrieve your laptop (pretty humiliating for a 35 year old!).

$300,000 down the drain, and now your mother has to work again, siblings not speaking to you, psycho girlfriend about to get released and come gunning for you and then there's the matter of tootguy - your behavior killed your father!

I think I'd take bankruptcy over that laundry list any day f the week and twice on Sunday! (I've always wanted to use that phrase!)

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: From a Disinterested Party. ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:01PM

probably wasting my time Wrote:
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> I am not eesh. eesh would never respond to you -
> he is wise to your pathetic attempts at baiting
> him, and wise enough to steer clear of you. After
> all there are plenty of other miz haters to pick
> up his slack.
>
> You were damaged more - you have been reduced to
> participating in some sort of remedial program for
> retards.
>
> And the trail you left behind! That sorry WaPo
> story, tootguy (more about him below) telling the
> world you were hiding under the covers, that
> picture of sharon chaperoning you on your
> ill-fated mission to retrieve your laptop (pretty
> humiliating for a 35 year old!).
>
> $300,000 down the drain, and now your mother has
> to work again, siblings not speaking to you,
> psycho girlfriend about to get released and come
> gunning for you and then there's the matter of
> tootguy - your behavior killed your father!
>
> I think I'd take bankruptcy over that laundry list
> any day f the week and twice on Sunday! (I've
> always wanted to use that phrase!)


well done

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: dpdp ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:26PM

This is getting repetitive, its clear you feel the Morenos lost more than you with you. Im sure its quite possible. Is this some kind of victory for you and defeat for them? What have you gained by this victory of losing everything you own? Is it somehow better for you because the other party was ultimately harmed more?

If it is important to you I will believe you when you say they were harmed more than you (and that is quite a bit). The real question is what to do now? Look I know you think I am this nemesis of yours, that I am Mr. Moreno. I would encourage you to ignore him and this place - its been nothing but trouble for you. I dont mean this in an insulting way but you need some medical help with your need to be here all the time your need to make all these posts, have all these sock puppet conversations. I hope you do that and I wish you well.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Hey Wiz ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:32PM

dpdp Wrote:
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> This is getting repetitive, its clear you feel the
> Morenos lost more than you with you. Im sure its
> quite possible. Is this some kind of victory for
> you and defeat for them? What have you gained by
> this victory of losing everything you own? Is it
> somehow better for you because the other party was
> ultimately harmed more?
>
> If it is important to you I will believe you when
> you say they were harmed more than you (and that
> is quite a bit). The real question is what to do
> now? Look I know you think I am this nemesis of
> yours, that I am Mr. Moreno. I would encourage
> you to ignore him and this place - its been
> nothing but trouble for you. I dont mean this in
> an insulting way but you need some medical help
> with your need to be here all the time your need
> to make all these posts, have all these sock
> puppet conversations. I hope you do that and I
> wish you well.


Fuck off, No one gives a flying fuck what your "new persona" thinks. You have lost...EVERYTHING. get used to it. HHAHAHAHA. not eesh, just someone tired of your idiotic bullshit.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: ftxwv ()
Date: July 09, 2019 10:34PM

^ Thats fine. Best of luck.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: miz, you lost completely ()
Date: July 09, 2019 11:04PM

Sure, eesh took some licks, but seems to have learned from them and he has moved on. The adroit fashion in which he circumvented the ridiculous judgment against him has earned him considerable esteem within the legal profession. (Helping push three questionable attorneys over the precipice into bankruptcy was a coup as well.) He has a bright future!

You remain fixated on this forum. This is terrific, from our standpoint, as this means you will welcome lizzie back into your life when she gets out, with the usual calamitous results.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: this thread = another miz fail ()
Date: July 10, 2019 12:03AM

another in a long, long, long string

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Does this sound ()
Date: July 10, 2019 10:54AM

Disinterested Party Wrote:
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> person whose life was destroyed Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo
> > article 'our lives are ruined!'
>
>
> I never said 'our lives are ruined' but it makes
> sense that everyone associated with this lawsuit
> came out the worse for it (except judge and jury).
>
>
> What I said was 'the very person whose life was
> destroyed by the very same behavior'
- I was
> referring to Mr. Basl and his apparent OCD - after
> a 1.4 million dollar judgement, then chapter 7 and
> I believe there was an arrest and jail time, Basl
> would likely qualify for saying his life was
> destroyed. I doubt that was what he or his
> parents envisioned his young adulthood would be
> growing up.
>
> The fact that he still frequents this place is, I
> suppose, a predictable manifestation of just how
> extreme his dysfunction is.

Like a Miz screw up, where he is admitting it's him? ie "I never said 'our lives are ruined' but...."

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: sureokkk ()
Date: July 10, 2019 11:19AM

Looks like he said his piece and left - who are you talking to?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: sureokkk gay ()
Date: July 10, 2019 12:25PM

not you or anybody, just a disinterested observation.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: yes miz, buy you will be back ()
Date: July 10, 2019 03:16PM

sureokkk Wrote:
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> Looks like he said his piece and left - who are
> you talking to?


with some other shtick, that also won't work....

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Get help go for a walk etc. ()
Date: July 10, 2019 04:37PM

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Great post Bro ^^ ()
Date: July 10, 2019 04:59PM

I hear repetitions are good for autism.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: not repetition, PYBRepetition ()
Date: July 10, 2019 10:45PM

PYBR!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: miz posted this pic.... ()
Date: July 10, 2019 11:59PM

who is it?
Attachments:
mizsibling.jpg

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: ^^^that's pretty good ()
Date: July 11, 2019 09:14PM

Done by a 7th grader? Not very appropriate language though.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: it's his protrair of his sister ()
Date: July 11, 2019 09:17PM

he posted it after she wouldn't set him up with one of her friends

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: what's up with ()
Date: July 11, 2019 09:19PM

her fucked up grill?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: nothing deliberate ()
Date: July 11, 2019 09:27PM

what's up with Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> her fucked up grill?


miz just can't draw. Remember his portrait of tootguy, where it looked as half of two different pairs of glasses were somehow glued together? He did after all flunk art class.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Xxx 666 ()
Date: July 11, 2019 10:08PM

What eesh fails to realize.. Is he lost in court and filed bankruptcy to discharge the judgement.. But.. He can not be sued again and lose again..but he cant file bankruptcy again for another 7 years

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Honnie Halhoun ()
Date: July 11, 2019 10:12PM

Does this sound Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Disinterested Party Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > person whose life was destroyed Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > That would be miz. He even said in the WaPo
> > > article 'our lives are ruined!'
> >
> >
> > I never said 'our lives are ruined' but it
> makes
> > sense that everyone associated with this
> lawsuit
> > came out the worse for it (except judge and
> jury).
> >
> >
> > What I said was 'the very person whose life
> was
> > destroyed by the very same behavior'
- I
> was
> > referring to Mr. Basl and his apparent OCD -
> after
> > a 1.4 million dollar judgement, then chapter 7
> and
> > I believe there was an arrest and jail time,
> Basl
> > would likely qualify for saying his life was
> > destroyed. I doubt that was what he or his
> > parents envisioned his young adulthood would be
> > growing up.
> >
> > The fact that he still frequents this place is,
> I
> > suppose, a predictable manifestation of just
> how
> > extreme his dysfunction is.
>
> Like a Miz screw up, where he is admitting it's
> him? ie "I never said 'our lives are ruined'
> but...."

Miz seems to invest a lot of thought and effort into planning these re-entry attempts, only to fail miserably. He invented a new persona and then outed himself before he even got to a backstory. Slip ups like this are a trademark Moreno downfall, similar to his Ronnie Calhoun failure.

A major recurring failure issue is that Miz can never explain why some random new person would suddenly appear out of the blue on this obscure message board, join up with Team Miz, and start bashing eesh for no apparent reason. It would seem that crazy people such as Miz have a hard time even imagining how a normal sane person would act or behave.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: oh jesus christ miz.... ()
Date: July 11, 2019 10:56PM

Xxx 666 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> What eesh fails to realize.. Is he lost in court
> and filed bankruptcy to discharge the judgement..
> But.. He can not be sued again and lose again..but
> he cant file bankruptcy again for another 7 years


We all know your game here.

It has two parts.

A) The part where you insist that you still somehow came out ahead of eesh because of his bankruptcy filing, which was allegedly worse than stabbing your father, being humiliated in the media, giving all your money to corrupt attorneys who now hate you, ultimately killing your father, alienating your family, getting hit on the head by your girlfriend and trying unsuccessfully to SWAT her and on and on and on

B) You think you can bait eesh into doing something stupid, so you can sue him again, this time successfully, only to discover that you still can't get blood out of a turnip.

In reponse:

A) You lost - big time. Your life is over while eesh's goes on.

B) The legally sophisticated eesh knows exactly when, and how, to respond to you wihtout getting chucked into jail.

Give it the fuck up already!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: 4m73p ()
Date: July 11, 2019 10:59PM

From a Disinterested Party Wrote:
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> So for many of us with lives its difficult to
> understand half of the ravings going on in these
> threads. The names 'Mark' 'Miz' 'eesh' 'Philip
> Leiser' mean nothing to us nor do rants about
> various accusations of money owed nor court
> actions.
>
> I took it upon myself to look up the latter name
> and 'Moreno' and found a fascinating case Moreno
> v. Basl case 17-32341-KLP
> https://www.casemine.com/judgement/us/5af90ff88d82
> 840a91f758cd
>
> Its interesting in that William and Sharon Moreno
> (plaintiffs) were pleading to have their million
> dollar settlement against Josef Basl (defendant)
> held as non-dis-chargeable under bankruptcy code.
> Basl had filed for Chapter 7 protection and sought
> to have all his debts discharged after liquidation
> of his assets.
>
> Its an interesting read by the Judge - essentially
> plaintiffs lost because they failed to show malice
> in defendant needed to hold the debt
> non-dis-chargeable. Surprising given the level of
> damages awarded to the Morenos in a previous
> stalking ruling against Basl. It would seem
> plantif's error was assuming the previous
> judgement alone would satisfy the malice
> requirement for debt non-dis-chargeabilty - it
> didnt.
>
> So Morenos won a large monetary award in a
> stalking case (borne from Fairfax Underground
> altercation gone into the real world) but could
> collect none of it because the defendant simply
> filed for Chapter 7.
>
> As is the case so many times in legal actions no
> one wins. People seeking 'justice' through
> litigation are misinformed and usually
> disappointed. Its expensive and takes a lot of
> time and in the end you cannot get blood from a
> stone. I feel sorry for all involved really.
>
> In closing, all these posts here about the 'Miz'
> (sorry dont know the story there) and Phillip
> Leiser are undoubtedly by Josef Basl using most if
> not all of his time here in some misguided or
> pathological belief he can extract some kind of
> understanding or justice himself. An unlikely
> outcome. If you are one of the few still visiting
> this site wondering who the person who is always
> here, always talking about lawyer fees of others,
> or 'Gerry' or 'Miz' or 'Leiser' and yes, a strong
> proponent for Trump and probably a self-loathing
> gay person - I believe it is Josef.

Miz can't write this well - no chance. Not him.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: ur both shit-stains ()
Date: July 11, 2019 11:02PM

oh jesus christ miz.... Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Xxx 666 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > What eesh fails to realize.. Is he lost in
> court
> > and filed bankruptcy to discharge the
> judgement..
> > But.. He can not be sued again and lose
> again..but
> > he cant file bankruptcy again for another 7
> years
>
>
> We all know your game here.
>
> It has two parts.
>
> A) The part where you insist that you still
> somehow came out ahead of eesh because of his
> bankruptcy filing, which was allegedly worse than
> stabbing your father, being humiliated in the
> media, giving all your money to corrupt attorneys
> who now hate you, ultimately killing your father,
> alienating your family, getting hit on the head by
> your girlfriend and trying unsuccessfully to SWAT
> her and on and on and on
>
> B) You think you can bait eesh into doing
> something stupid, so you can sue him again, this
> time successfully, only to discover that you still
> can't get blood out of a turnip.
>
> In reponse:
>
> A) You lost - big time. Your life is over while
> eesh's goes on.
>
> B) The legally sophisticated eesh knows exactly
> when, and how, to respond to you wihtout getting
> chucked into jail.
>
> Give it the fuck up already!

Sounds like you are both shit-stains. I have a piece of advise for you both. Fuck-off from this place. Get jobs or go backpacking or drive across the country. Do anything other than sitting on you loser asses making things worse coming here.

nuff said?

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: last two posts are miz ()
Date: July 11, 2019 11:08PM

again, his latest gambit isn't working, so it's back to the 'who gives a shit about this fag drama anyhow?' ploy....

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Harry Harrison ()
Date: July 11, 2019 11:18PM

I wonder why Miz didn't give his persona a name this time? It was nice being able to find the Ronnie Calhoun posts.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: I liked WAS LAX scholar ()
Date: July 11, 2019 11:25PM

miz din't just invent an avatar there, he gave his sock puppet an entire matching social set. Quite an effort!

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Brandon Pelar ()
Date: July 11, 2019 11:33PM

Yeah in there was a lot, some of whom were actual names of real students at WSHS like Kyle Presnell:

Billy Rake
Brandon
Brandt
Brixton
Burton
Dottie
Duncan Rail
Erol
Galoob
Mouth
Steamshovel
Skyscraper
Uncle Pascal
Attachments:
brony_pride_shower_curtain.jpg

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Miz in your head 24/7 ()
Date: July 12, 2019 01:02PM

last two posts are miz Wrote:
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> again, his latest gambit isn't working, so it's
> back to the 'who gives a shit about this fag drama
> anyhow?' ploy....


'fag drama' - your words and quite apt. Unless you yourself are 'Miz' then you just presented the naked truth. Your quest for the Holy Grail of 'hurting the Moreno's more than you yourself were hurt (1.4 million dollar settlement leading to your Chapter 7) is in fact 'fag drama'



(que 'he stabbed his father and he owes his lawyers 300k and his lawyers are drunks who are now bankrupt etc.')

(que see, look I told you it is Miz, lololol just look at how this is Miz - it so is! And Im totally sane and not obsessed, really

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: Try making sense ()
Date: July 12, 2019 01:33PM

No one gives a flying fuck about that pedo retard Moreno, UNTIL he comes here and tries to bait and shit all over the forum that ruined him. He cannot take the fact he lost.

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Re: Moreno v Basl Interesting
Posted by: no, miz on this forum 24/7 ()
Date: July 12, 2019 11:07PM

Miz in your head 24/7 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

>
> 'fag drama' - your words and quite apt. Unless
> you yourself are 'Miz' then you just presented the
> naked truth. Your quest for the Holy Grail of
> 'hurting the Moreno's more than you yourself were
> hurt (1.4 million dollar settlement leading to
> your Chapter 7) is in fact 'fag drama'
>
>
>
> (que 'he stabbed his father and he owes his
> lawyers 300k and his lawyers are drunks who are
> now bankrupt etc.')
>
> (que see, look I told you it is Miz, lololol
> just look at how this is Miz - it so is! And Im
> totally sane and not obsessed, really



Well, we COULD talk about you stabbing your father and giving money to your bankrupt attorneys, but hey - that shit's been rubbed into the ground. Let's talk about your 24 meds (thank you lizzie for posting that pic!), or all the phone calls and texts begging lizzie to come back, or how you tried to keep her in jail, and then took out a PYBRotective order against her and then lived with her and then were attacked by her, and lastly what the fuck sharon was sitting on.....

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