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already written
Posted by: hey jegus freaks ()
Date: April 12, 2019 11:47AM

So, what I've been taught is that jegus is all seeing...basically, she has seen the past, present, and FUTURE.

I've also seen it described by some jegus freaks that she basically has "written" the story of your life...she has created everybody and has pre-ordained (or whatever the cool jegus term might be) the story of everyone's life...from conception, to birth, to life, to death.

No accidents, no surprises, nothing that hasn't been planned by dear sweet jegus.

Then where do abortions fit in?

Since ol jegus planned them, why are they a sin?

And, if maybe someone was thinking about having an abortion, but then didn't, would that go against ol jegus' plan?

Like, shoot...I planned for that kid to get aborted...then, the mother changed her mind at the end...now what do I do?

And of course, if somebody does have an abortion, wasn't that just per jegus' plan for everybody?

Because, as you guys say, he has written the story of EVERYBODY'S life...past, present, and future.

jegus babble in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

jegus babble includes...1. Not answering the question 2. turning the question back without an answer

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Re: already written
Posted by: Educate Yourself ()
Date: April 12, 2019 12:09PM

2 Corinthians 4: 14- 5: 1
A Reading from the Second Letter of Paul to the Corinthians
Brothers and Sisters:
Knowing that the one who raised the Lord Jesus
will raise us also with Jesus
and place us with you in his presence.
Everything indeed is for you,
so that the grace bestowed in abundance
on more and more people
may cause the thanksgiving to overflow
for the glory of God.
Therefore, we are not discouraged;
rather, although our outer self is wasting away,
our inner self is being renewed day by day.
For this momentary light affliction
is producing for us an eternal weight of glory
beyond all comparison, as we look not to what is seen
but to what is unseen; for what is seen is transitory,
but what is unseen is eternal.
For we know that if our earthly dwelling, a tent,
should be destroyed, we have a building from God,
a dwelling not made with hands, eternal in heaven.
The Word of the Lord

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Re: already written
Posted by: I knew it!!!!! ()
Date: April 12, 2019 12:13PM

hahahaha I knew it!

as I said, jegus babble includes "turning the question back" as in, "Educate Yourself".

And then, no real answer to the question, just some stupid babble...

Ha!

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Re: already written
Posted by: wutfer ()
Date: April 12, 2019 12:15PM

A reading from the second letter of paul to the corinthians...

Is that the one for weddings, or funerals?

Or bof?

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Re: already written
Posted by: more babble ()
Date: April 12, 2019 12:20PM

Dueteronomy 1 2 and 3 are beauts as well...

like, if your weiner gets cut off in war, you can't enter the kingdom of heaven.

If you are an 10th generation bastard...like, 10 grandparents ago...the same.

No kingdom of heaven.

Jegus babblers have a real good time with that one...all the jegus babble comes out.

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Re: already written
Posted by: answer for ya ()
Date: April 12, 2019 03:28PM

I googled it.

Some guy was trying to illustrate that even though god knows everything, including the future, that even though, there is still "free will" in making a decision tomorrow.

To illustrate, he said if he put either a 1. bowl of tasty cereal, or 2. a bowl of stinking dead mice in front of his child, he, as the parent knows that his child will pick the bowl of cereal over the dead mice, but it is still his child making the choice.

You see?

Isn't it simple?

Or is it frickin stupid?

Do you think the analogy of a child picking tasty cereal over dead mice as a comparison to free will is about as good as you'll get, folks?

Is it not even bible babble...is it just babble babble?

Of course, this doesn't contemplate what happens if you put two bowls of different tasty cereal in front of the kid...just as many christian "miracles" don't include things like, say, a guys leg growing back.

Only reasonable miracles!

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Re: already written
Posted by: A little advise ()
Date: April 12, 2019 05:00PM

Get yourself a Bible and visit a Church wear you can get the help you need. If you still have questions after that we'll be here for you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: spellur ()
Date: April 12, 2019 05:33PM

Get yourself a dictionary.

Jegus babble 101-turn the question back, don't answer anything.

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Re: already written
Posted by: do whut ()
Date: April 12, 2019 05:55PM

who is jegus?

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Re: already written
Posted by: Go to the lite ()
Date: April 12, 2019 06:44PM

If your really looking for the questions, you know where to look. If your looking for help, it's all around you. Just let us know.

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Re: already written
Posted by: little helper ()
Date: April 12, 2019 09:34PM

Are you looking for help spelling?

It's all around you.

Just let us know.

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Re: already written
Posted by: notice he spell Jesus a little f ()
Date: April 12, 2019 11:34PM

I think what he's looking for as spiritual help, but I guess we could all use some spelling tips!

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Re: already written
Posted by: Boo fn hoo ()
Date: April 12, 2019 11:35PM

What is jegus?

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Re: already written
Posted by: whatafukinheaten ()
Date: April 12, 2019 11:37PM

I knew it!!!!! Wrote:
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> hahahaha I knew it!
>
> as I said, jegus babble includes "turning the
> question back" as in, "Educate Yourself".
>
> And then, no real answer to the question, just
> some stupid babble...
>
> Ha!


So your intent is to troll and not learn. Noted.

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Re: already written
Posted by: luv some jc ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:34AM

I love it...referring back to the original post.

Nobody gets on and deals with the issue...

They just bounce back to the poster...kinda like "I'm rubber, you're glue"...

Jegus babble 101. Make personal attacks, selectively quote from the bible, etc,

Is that what jegus would do, or would he answer?

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Re: already written
Posted by: K6lgd ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:59AM

Obviously the op just wants to taunt Christians into acting unchristainly.

The New Testament is readily available to everyone on this forum. Open your mind and read it.

Yes, educate yourself. Acknowledge your mind, body, and soul. No one else can do that for you: that is exercising your free will.

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Re: already written
Posted by: ye verily ()
Date: April 13, 2019 11:22AM

bla bla bla.

I love how you "know" what the OP wants to do...

Perhaps he/she would sincerely like a discussion about pre-destination?

After all, it seems he/she put forth a few discussion points to do so.

But, like any bible thumper, the response is to avoid the topic, tell the person to read and understand the bible (huh?) and then, try and discredit the person for asking questions. and for raising real logical issues.

AKA, bible babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Gkekw ()
Date: April 13, 2019 11:43AM

It doesnt take heavenly intervention to see that each of your posts is condescending and ugly in tone and not inquisitive in nature. You are exercising your free will, and that is fine.

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Re: already written
Posted by: keeps coming ()
Date: April 13, 2019 03:24PM

bla bla bla...

Right back at me, huh? What a jerk I am, right?

Not even an attempt at an answer.

bible babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Some thoughts ()
Date: April 13, 2019 03:59PM

If you really want to get help and learn about the Bible then you really should try going and visit some churches. I suggest Christian churches as the catholic ones can stray quiet far from scripture. But I think besides that you will find many people on hear happy to answer your questions and help explain pretty much what ever you need. Hey, no need to thank us, that's what were supposed to do!

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Re: already written
Posted by: P6v9w ()
Date: April 13, 2019 04:03PM

No answer given will be satisfactory to you. Spiritual answers are not mathematical equations or grammar rules - you cant google the answer or get it from someone else.

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Re: already written
Posted by: i'll buy that for a dollar ()
Date: April 13, 2019 04:11PM

P6v9w Wrote:
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> No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> Spiritual answers are not mathematical equations
> or grammar rules - you cant google the answer or
> get it from someone else.


The reason it can't be googled is it has all is all been made up anyway. Only the retarded Believe a 2ooo-year-old book of myth, legend, and superstition has some sort of factual value.

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Re: already written
Posted by: No not really ()
Date: April 13, 2019 04:30PM

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Attachments:
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Re: already written
Posted by: Vmmty ()
Date: April 13, 2019 04:47PM

i'll buy that for a dollar Wrote:
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> P6v9w Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> > Spiritual answers are not mathematical
> equations
> > or grammar rules - you cant google the answer
> or
> > get it from someone else.
>
>
> The reason it can't be googled is it has all is
> all been made up anyway. Only the retarded Believe
> a 2ooo-year-old book of myth, legend, and
> superstition has some sort of factual value.

Free will, baby, free will.

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Re: already written
Posted by: United Methodist ()
Date: April 13, 2019 05:14PM

The thing about Church is it's really fun. You always learn new things and you can meet very cool people, many have gone thru the same stuff you have and even worst. But that's the thing about Jesus, no matter what you have done or how low you have sank everyone can be redeemed in the Lord.

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Re: already written
Posted by: german ()
Date: April 13, 2019 09:18PM

I hear tell even Hitler could go to heaven, if right at the end, he accepted jesus.

Anne Frank, not so much. Unless she too accepted jesus.

At least that is what jesus people believe.

wow.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Beautiful Truth ()
Date: April 13, 2019 09:58PM

Everyone can go to Heaven. With Jesus on your side, anything is possible.

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Re: already written
Posted by: more more more ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:02PM

P6v9w Wrote:
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> No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> Spiritual answers are not mathematical equations
> or grammar rules - you cant google the answer or
> get it from someone else.

Well, then why do people study it, and "believe" it, if it all really doesn't make any sense?

Why not just go with any made up stuff?

Why follow organized religion?

bible babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Ok, then ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:03PM

Beautiful Truth Wrote:
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> Everyone can go to Heaven. With Jesus on your
> side, anything is possible.


What happens if you don't believe in jesus, but otherwise live a good and charitable life?

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Re: already written
Posted by: Beautiful Truth ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:07PM

more more more Wrote:
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> P6v9w Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> > Spiritual answers are not mathematical
> equations
> > or grammar rules - you cant google the answer
> or
> > get it from someone else.
>
> Well, then why do people study it, and "believe"
> it, if it all really doesn't make any sense?
>
> Why not just go with any made up stuff?
>
> Why follow organized religion?
>
> bible babble.


It actually makes perfect sense. Some might say its the only thing that makes any sense. What part are you confused about?

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Re: already written
Posted by: keeps on a comin ()
Date: April 13, 2019 10:51PM

Not confused about anything, thank you.

Some might say its the only thing that makes any sense, huh?

Some also followed Jim Jones and thought he made perfect sense as well.

Just more bible babble. Not answering any questions or describing things logically, and turning it back at the person with babble.

Bible babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Who gives a shit ()
Date: April 14, 2019 01:30AM

Ok, then Wrote:
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> Beautiful Truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Everyone can go to Heaven. With Jesus on your
> > side, anything is possible.
>
>
> What happens if you don't believe in jesus, but
> otherwise live a good and charitable life?


Yes, one can live a good charitable life without believing in Jesus.

People's actions towards others are more important than their religious beliefs,

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Re: already written
Posted by: X4t4f ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:26AM

Said "who gives a shit" at 1:30 a.m.


Heres what Christ said:

1. Love God and his will, life is not all about you
2. Love your neighbor

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Re: already written
Posted by: Hcun3 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:37AM

more more more Wrote:
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> P6v9w Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> > Spiritual answers are not mathematical
> equations
> > or grammar rules - you cant google the answer
> or
> > get it from someone else.
>
> Well, then why do people study it, and "believe"
> it, if it all really doesn't make any sense?
>
> Why not just go with any made up stuff?
>
> Why follow organized religion?
>
> bible babble.

It is about understanding your own soul not someone else's physics theory; only you can do that.

It is not about studying so you can remember, it is studying so you better understand your own soul, purpose and relationship with others.

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Re: already written
Posted by: good one! ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:39AM

Who gives a shit Wrote:
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> Ok, then Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Beautiful Truth Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Everyone can go to Heaven. With Jesus on
> your
> > > side, anything is possible.
> >
> >
> > What happens if you don't believe in jesus, but
> > otherwise live a good and charitable life?
>
>
> Yes, one can live a good charitable life without
> believing in Jesus.
>
> People's actions towards others are more important
> than their religious beliefs,


HaHa..great example of bible babble!!!

Way to go...avoiding a clear question!!!!

Which is...if one does not believe in dear sweet jesus, but, still live a charitable and good life, can they go to heaven?

Try and answer the question, no more babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: more of it ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:42AM

Hcun3 Wrote:
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> more more more Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > P6v9w Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > No answer given will be satisfactory to you.
> > > Spiritual answers are not mathematical
> > equations
> > > or grammar rules - you cant google the answer
> > or
> > > get it from someone else.
> >
> > Well, then why do people study it, and
> "believe"
> > it, if it all really doesn't make any sense?
> >
> > Why not just go with any made up stuff?
> >
> > Why follow organized religion?
> >
> > bible babble.
>
> It is about understanding your own soul not
> someone else's physics theory; only you can do
> that.
>
> It is not about studying so you can remember, it
> is studying so you better understand your own
> soul, purpose and relationship with others.

Yet, you still believe in jesus, and, a set of man made rules?

Why not just be a good person, behave well towards others, without the "promise" of going to heaven if you do so?

And who said anything about "studying so you can remember" And "someone else's physics theory" except you? Why introduce that stuff when the OP didn't ask that?

I know...'cause it's bible babble!!!

Yay!

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Re: already written
Posted by: V9wwu ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:13AM

Who defines "good"?

Killing a child right before it takes its first breath is good to some people.

Throwing gays from rooftops is good to some people.

Chopping off heads of Christians is good to some people.

Raping and enslaving is good to some people.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Bylcu ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:22AM

> And who said anything about "studying so you can remember" And
> "someone else's physics theory" except you? Why introduce that
> stuff when the OP didn't ask that?

> I know...'cause it's bible babble!!!

The reason that example was used was a direct response to your question, in an attempt to help you understand. You asked

> Well, then why do people study it, and "believe" it, if it all
> really doesn't make any sense?

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Re: already written
Posted by: because it's ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:26AM

Bylcu Wrote:
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> > And who said anything about "studying so you can
> remember" And
> > "someone else's physics theory" except you? Why
> introduce that
> > stuff when the OP didn't ask that?
>
> > I know...'cause it's bible babble!!!
>
> The reason that example was used was a direct
> response to your question, in an attempt to help
> you understand. You asked
>
> > Well, then why do people study it, and "believe"
> it, if it all
> > really doesn't make any sense?


A whole bunch of other things have been asked, as well, that get to the essence of the matter.

Which you choose to avoid, and then start talking about things like...

"Studying to remember", which doesn't really answer anything asked, and, "studying to remember", same.

which is a great example of bible babble!

Just complicate the s*** out of things, change the subject, add layers of BS, etc...

you know, bible babble!

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Re: already written
Posted by: confucios say ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:29AM

Bylcu Wrote:
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> > And who said anything about "studying so you can
> remember" And
> > "someone else's physics theory" except you? Why
> introduce that
> > stuff when the OP didn't ask that?
>
> > I know...'cause it's bible babble!!!
>
> The reason that example was used was a direct
> response to your question, in an attempt to help
> you understand. You asked
>
> > Well, then why do people study it, and "believe"
> it, if it all
> > really doesn't make any sense?


Dude, you add a bunch of esoteric stuff, instead of getting to the heart of the matter...you really believe in a fictional guy with a beard?

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Re: already written
Posted by: W7bu6 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:33AM

If you refuse to acknowledge your soul, that is your free will choice.

It is not complicated, and that is the essence of the matter.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Ebdfc ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:38AM

> the heart of the matter...
> you really believe in a fictional guy with a beard?

That is not the heart of the matter. The fictional guy lived. Teachings attributed to him were documented. I study them. It is good with my soul.

Choose for yourself.

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Re: already written
Posted by: ok ok ()
Date: April 14, 2019 12:04PM

You tire me out.

No, bible babble tires me out.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Paul. ()
Date: April 14, 2019 01:38PM

german Wrote:
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> I hear tell even Hitler could go to heaven, if
> right at the end, he accepted jesus.
>
> Anne Frank, not so much. Unless she too accepted
> jesus.
>
> At least that is what jesus people believe.
>
> wow.

Not necessarily. Many Christians do believe that Jesus died for the sins of all men (mankind), salvation is universal, and that for example Jews and Buddhists can go to heaven. In fact it's obvious to many Christians that people who died in ancient times or non-human beings would be entitled to the same message and salvation.

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Re: already written
Posted by: which way is it ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:14PM

So, "many" christians believe it?

I guess that would mean that many, at least some, do not believe it.

So, is the whole deal with christianity you just kinda believe what you want?

Just call yourself a christian, but really, no codified beliefs?

Hmmm...

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Re: already written
Posted by: D7hlv ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:31PM

Largely correct - share in that they read and study the New Testament and share the belief that Christ knew what he was talking about.

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Re: already written
Posted by: You just realized this?? ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:34PM

which way is it Wrote:
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> So, "many" christians believe it?
>
> I guess that would mean that many, at least some,
> do not believe it.
>
> So, is the whole deal with christianity you just
> kinda believe what you want?
>
> Just call yourself a christian, but really, no
> codified beliefs?
>
> Hmmm...

That's the way humans are. Everyone has his or her own brain and set of beliefs. There will never be 100% agreement on anything, let alone religion and theology.

Essentially the codified belief to be a Christian is a single verse: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

It's pretty simple actually, as it must be.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Fth4k ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:49PM

And mankind, being what it is, debates what the words mean and then likeminded people decide to read and pray together and sometimes declare rules around beliefs and acceptable behavior. Thats why there are different churches.

And sometimes evil, manipulative people come on the scene and steal or abuse. But that's the doings of evil people, not Christ.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Emh6y ()
Date: April 14, 2019 02:59PM

I dont think it works this way, "I want everlasting life, so I will say I am Christian.".

I think it works this way, "Christ taught lessons, I truly want to understand them. " Then through our honest attempts to understand, we come closer to God, wish for His will to be done, wish for our lives to be used for good, wish well for our neighbors, and love for Christ takes over.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Romans 15:13 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 03:00PM

which way is it Wrote:
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> So, "many" christians believe it?
>
> I guess that would mean that many, at least some,
> do not believe it.
>
> So, is the whole deal with christianity you just
> kinda believe what you want?
>
> Just call yourself a christian, but really, no
> codified beliefs?
>
> Hmmm...


Your asking the right questions. Now you just have to find the right answers. That's definately stuff you should talk to a Pastor about.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Yhtjl ()
Date: April 14, 2019 03:12PM

Or just read it. Jefferson was turned off by organized religion, too. He compiled "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth" by cutting and pasting with a razor and glue numerous sections from the New Testament. It was his way of studying the doctrine of Jesus.


Referring to the 1804 version, Jefferson wrote, "A more beautiful or precious morsel of ethics I have never seen; it is a document in proof that I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

Jefferson's claim to be a Christian was made in response to those who accused him of being otherwise, due to his unorthodox view of the Bible and conception of Christ. Recognizing his rather unusual views, Jefferson stated in a letter (1819) to Ezra Stiles Ely, "You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

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Re: already written
Posted by: no thanks ()
Date: April 14, 2019 06:14PM

Romans 15:13 Wrote:
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> which way is it Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > So, "many" christians believe it?
> >
> > I guess that would mean that many, at least
> some,
> > do not believe it.
> >
> > So, is the whole deal with christianity you
> just
> > kinda believe what you want?
> >
> > Just call yourself a christian, but really, no
> > codified beliefs?
> >
> > Hmmm...
>
>
> Your asking the right questions. Now you just
> have to find the right answers. That's definately
> stuff you should talk to a Pastor about.


Nah.

I don't feel like getting buggered.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Your choice ()
Date: April 14, 2019 06:28PM

no thanks Wrote:
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> Romans 15:13 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > which way is it Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > So, "many" christians believe it?
> > >
> > > I guess that would mean that many, at least
> > some,
> > > do not believe it.
> > >
> > > So, is the whole deal with christianity you
> > just
> > > kinda believe what you want?
> > >
> > > Just call yourself a christian, but really,
> no
> > > codified beliefs?
> > >
> > > Hmmm...
> >
> >
> > Your asking the right questions. Now you just
> > have to find the right answers. That's
> definately
> > stuff you should talk to a Pastor about.
>
>
> Nah.
>
> I don't feel like getting buggered.

"Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." (Revelation 3:20)

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Re: already written
Posted by: pointing out the obvious ()
Date: April 14, 2019 06:42PM

If these spaghetti monster believers really wanted to learn about things they don't understand, they would open their ears and actually listen. As it is, they are nothing but trolls.

If one were to read about the amount of archeology that confirms large parts of the bible are at least plausible, one would be a little more open minded about the greater possibilities. It's not just archeology in and around Judea either. The ancient city of Troy was found by using clues left in the bible.

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Re: already written
Posted by: OK, I'll play ()
Date: April 14, 2019 06:47PM

Tell me more about how two of EVERY species was loaded up on the ark and kept alive?

There are over 100 different species of rattlesnakes, like, 500 different beetles...and untold birds.

Wouldn't the lions eat the bunny rabbits? Would not ONE animal get sick, and then the species die off?

Do you know how ridiculous the story of the ark is when viewed practically?


Oh, please, do tell.

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Re: already written
Posted by: ...... ()
Date: April 14, 2019 06:53PM

OK, I'll play Wrote:
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> Tell me more about how two of EVERY species was
> loaded up on the ark and kept alive?
>
> There are over 100 different species of
> rattlesnakes, like, 500 different beetles...and
> untold birds.
>
> Wouldn't the lions eat the bunny rabbits? Would
> not ONE animal get sick, and then the species die
> off?
>
> Do you know how ridiculous the story of the ark is
> when viewed practically?
>
>
> Oh, please, do tell.


It's obvious you refuse to even recognize any of it. You are a waste of time.

I will tell you the Bible is two books, not one. These fucking stupid questions you are trolling with all reference the Old Testament. If you truely want to learn, first learn the difference between Old and New. Google is your friend. Until you want to learn that, you are hopeless.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Arks R Us ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:16PM

OK, I'll play Wrote:
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> Tell me more about how two of EVERY species was
> loaded up on the ark and kept alive?
>
> There are over 100 different species of
> rattlesnakes, like, 500 different beetles...and
> untold birds.
>
> Wouldn't the lions eat the bunny rabbits? Would
> not ONE animal get sick, and then the species die
> off?
>
> Do you know how ridiculous the story of the ark is
> when viewed practically?
>
>
> Oh, please, do tell.

If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of dollars being spent on similar such efforts today, all over the world?

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Re: already written
Posted by: oh golly ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:18PM

Billions of dollars are being spent to build more arks to hold two of every animal species all over the world?

Tell me one.

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Re: already written
Posted by: what the fuck is wrong with you? ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:18PM

Arks R Us Wrote:

> If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of dollars
> being spent on similar such efforts today, all
> over the world?

Would you kindly cite a reference?

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Re: already written
Posted by: Noah ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:50PM

what the fuck is wrong with you? Wrote:
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> Arks R Us Wrote:
>
> > If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of
> dollars
> > being spent on similar such efforts today, all
> > over the world?
>
> Would you kindly cite a reference?

https://www.frozenark.org/

http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/may/animal-dna-to-be-frozen-in-huge-national-bank.html

https://nationalzoo.si.edu/center-for-species-survival/cryo-initiative


Also being done for plants:

https://www.croptrust.org/our-work/svalbard-global-seed-vault/

https://www.agprofessional.com/article/update-worlds-15-largest-seed-banks


Furthermore there have been proposals to create an Ark on the Moon, Mars, or Asteroids to preserve species in the event of global disaster affecting the Earth. Elon Musk has mentioned such a project, but I need to find a link.

https://www.space.com/329-noah-cosmic-ark-preserving-dna-moon.html
https://www.sciencealert.com/spacex-launched-second-secret-payload-designed-last-millions-years-tesla-arch
https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/2/6/16980538/spacex-falcon-heavy-isaac-asimovs-foundation-series

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Re: already written
Posted by: whatafukindumbshit ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:54PM

Noah Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> what the fuck is wrong with you? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Arks R Us Wrote:
> >
> > > If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of
> > dollars
> > > being spent on similar such efforts today,
> all
> > > over the world?
> >
> > Would you kindly cite a reference?
>
> https://www.frozenark.org/
>
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/may/animal
> -dna-to-be-frozen-in-huge-national-bank.html
>
> https://nationalzoo.si.edu/center-for-species-surv
> ival/cryo-initiative
>
>
> Also being done for plants:
>
> https://www.croptrust.org/our-work/svalbard-global
> -seed-vault/
>
> https://www.agprofessional.com/article/update-worl
> ds-15-largest-seed-banks
>
>
> Furthermore there have been proposals to create an
> Ark on the Moon, Mars, or Asteroids to preserve
> species in the event of global disaster affecting
> the Earth. Elon Musk has mentioned such a
> project, but I need to find a link.
>
> https://www.space.com/329-noah-cosmic-ark-preservi
> ng-dna-moon.html
> https://www.sciencealert.com/spacex-launched-secon
> d-secret-payload-designed-last-millions-years-tesl
> a-arch
> https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/2/6/16980538/sp
> acex-falcon-heavy-isaac-asimovs-foundation-series

are you really comparing all of those to the bible? I thought you were just being an idiot with this thread, but you truely are that. fucking. stupid.

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Re: already written
Posted by: call Giorgio A. Tsoukalos ()
Date: April 14, 2019 07:59PM

Noah Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> what the fuck is wrong with you? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Arks R Us Wrote:
> >
> > > If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of
> > dollars
> > > being spent on similar such efforts today,
> all
> > > over the world?
> >
> > Would you kindly cite a reference?
>
> https://www.frozenark.org/
>
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/may/animal
> -dna-to-be-frozen-in-huge-national-bank.html
>
> https://nationalzoo.si.edu/center-for-species-surv
> ival/cryo-initiative
>
>
> Also being done for plants:
>
> https://www.croptrust.org/our-work/svalbard-global
> -seed-vault/
>
> https://www.agprofessional.com/article/update-worl
> ds-15-largest-seed-banks
>
>
> Furthermore there have been proposals to create an
> Ark on the Moon, Mars, or Asteroids to preserve
> species in the event of global disaster affecting
> the Earth. Elon Musk has mentioned such a
> project, but I need to find a link.
>
> https://www.space.com/329-noah-cosmic-ark-preservi
> ng-dna-moon.html
> https://www.sciencealert.com/spacex-launched-secon
> d-secret-payload-designed-last-millions-years-tesl
> a-arch
> https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/2/6/16980538/sp
> acex-falcon-heavy-isaac-asimovs-foundation-series


So you want us to believe that 21st-century technology was available to Noah?

Or did the Ancient Aliens do this?
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Re: already written
Posted by: 7ev9y ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:01PM

The OP is confusing his mind with his soul. Lots of people do that, please do not ridicule him.

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Re: already written
Posted by: aliens? ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:19PM

call Giorgio A. Tsoukalos Wrote:
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> Noah Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > what the fuck is wrong with you? Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Arks R Us Wrote:
> > >
> > > > If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of
> > > dollars
> > > > being spent on similar such efforts today,
> > all
> > > > over the world?
> > >
> > > Would you kindly cite a reference?
> >
> > https://www.frozenark.org/
> >
> >
> http://www.nhm.ac.uk/discover/news/2018/may/animal
>
> > -dna-to-be-frozen-in-huge-national-bank.html
> >
> >
> https://nationalzoo.si.edu/center-for-species-surv
>
> > ival/cryo-initiative
> >
> >
> > Also being done for plants:
> >
> >
> https://www.croptrust.org/our-work/svalbard-global
>
> > -seed-vault/
> >
> >
> https://www.agprofessional.com/article/update-worl
>
> > ds-15-largest-seed-banks
> >
> >
> > Furthermore there have been proposals to create
> an
> > Ark on the Moon, Mars, or Asteroids to preserve
> > species in the event of global disaster
> affecting
> > the Earth. Elon Musk has mentioned such a
> > project, but I need to find a link.
> >
> >
> https://www.space.com/329-noah-cosmic-ark-preservi
>
> > ng-dna-moon.html
> >
> https://www.sciencealert.com/spacex-launched-secon
>
> >
> d-secret-payload-designed-last-millions-years-tesl
>
> > a-arch
> >
> https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/2/6/16980538/sp
>
> >
> acex-falcon-heavy-isaac-asimovs-foundation-series
>
>
> So you want us to believe that 21st-century
> technology was available to Noah?
>
> Or did the Ancient Aliens do this?

The flood was at least 7,000 years ago and we have little knowledge of the details of what Noah or Utnapishtim or whoever did to save species other than what has been handed down stories and ancient texts.

The modern efforts are focused on a longer term with no specific brewing rainstorm in mind.

I suppose one could just as easily invoke aliens now as then. Perhaps aliens are advising the Frozen Ark Project?

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Re: already written
Posted by: hits keep comin' ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:59PM

7ev9y Wrote:
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> The OP is confusing his mind with his soul. Lots
> of people do that, please do not ridicule him.


See, that's just more bible babble.

Attacking the person with a non-sensical statement...to avoid the real issue, which is, you believe in a myth.

What gives you the idea someone is "confusing his mind with his soul"?

Nothing.

And what does that mean?

Nothing.

Just more bible babble.

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Re: already written
Posted by: never never cash down ()
Date: April 14, 2019 08:59PM

aliens? Wrote:

>
> The modern efforts are focused on a longer term
> with no specific brewing rainstorm in mind.
>
> I suppose one could just as easily invoke aliens
> now as then. Perhaps aliens are advising the
> Frozen Ark Project?


That was the point.

The original statement in question was about building the Ark in Noah's alleged era.

""" If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of dollars
being spent on similar such efforts today, all
over the world?"""

As it turns out, they are not spending billions on recreating what Noah was said to have done. They are spending billions of dollars doing something else entirely.

Members of the Cross People cult (Christians) are always have something basically wrong with their logic. They have to, they believe in that shit.

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Re: already written
Posted by: keep it comin ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:05PM

And then some weirdo gets on here claiming that there are billion dollar recreations of the ark all over the place...

Wow...

Even today...with all the technology and science available...it would be IMPOSSIBLE to round up two of every species (like, 10,000 different beetles) and propagate them in a controlled environment...much less a wooden boat splashing about on the ocean.


Have you ever seen what happens when dogs are inbred for a couple of generations?

Not good. Not life affirming.

But...EVERY single animal alive today was born of the same parent like 6,000 years ago? And those animals were captured and survived on a wooden boat splashing around on the sea?

C'mon...give me a break.

That's just stupid.

But of course, bible babble saves the day!!

Attack the OP! Poor soul! Confusing this with that! Go see a pastor!!!

Maybe I should see ted haggard.

Or jim jones.

Freakin weirdos.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Xc44x ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:11PM

You are mischaracterizing "them"; "they" are not monolithic, as demonstrated by this thread.

You seem delighted to have gotten a bite in your trolling, which was presumably your aim; but it does not go unnoticed that you ignore the essentials of your soul and the definition of "good".

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Re: already written
Posted by: oh jeeezzz ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:15PM

What are you talking about?

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Re: already written
Posted by: back to the subject ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:18PM

Seriously, "Mischaracterization guy", tell me about the ark.

Just how did it work?

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Re: already written
Posted by: Nduvd ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:21PM

I am talking about your condescending rants against Christians, declaring them all illogical fools, while talking about the Bible as if it is a documentary to be "fact checked" instead of a spiritual text that has inspired people for thousands of years.

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Re: already written
Posted by: boinngggg ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:24PM

Right back atcha, pal.

Why shouldn't the bible be fact checked?

I mean, for f888 sake, you all claim to live by it...wouldn't you want it to be true?

Or, is that it?

Just parts are true...the ones you like?

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Re: already written
Posted by: more reading for you ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:38PM

Watch the documentary "jesus camp" or anything about jim jones if you really want to get the willies about not asking questions...

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Re: already written
Posted by: Tv6gn ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:38PM

"You all" is a mischaracterixation, as has been shown over and over in this thread.

If you are interested in proof of history, you need not look further than today's headlines to know proof is not possible: one headline says trump is a spy, the other says he was a victim of espionage. You're wasting your time fact checking the Bible.

The essential question, in my view, is this: do you believe you have a soul? Maybe you dont - free will decision, YOUR belief, not mine. If you dont think you have a soul, ignore religion altogether, and go get yours, baby.

But if you get off social media, and examine yourself, i think you'll find you do have a soul. And the Bible has many good teachings for the person who knows they have a soul.

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Re: already written
Posted by: oh jeezzz pt 2 ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:49PM

I love it...so, if proof is not possible (really?), that means accept the bible!

KInd of like, ahhh screw it...nothing is verifiable, therefore, let's go with this story of jesus.

But, get real pissed off when people ask specifics about it, claim they have no soul, but by no means, discuss their points with them!

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Re: already written
Posted by: and back to YOU ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:55PM

And why don't you get off social media yourself?

Besides this FFXU, which I'm not sure is social media.

Do you have a soul? really? How many ghosts have you seen?

Before my dad died, he told me, if at all possible, he would come back and "ghost" me within a year...going on 20 yrs now.

Do you know how many people have died over the ages? Millions upon millions. And not once has someone verifiably seen a ghost. Except for crackpots.

You are a condescending person.

Religion has been the cause of wars, of famines, of molestation...and, I myself, consider myself a charitable person, involved with charities, giving to charities, being fair, WITHOUT fooling myself with the "promise" of heaven.

Who is the better person now?

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Re: already written
Posted by: Md9be ()
Date: April 14, 2019 09:55PM

I think you and I are similar, OP, but I may be wrong: I want the truth, I am extraordinarily logical. I questioned the "Jesus thing" in my youth. Who the heck thinks surrender is victory for crying out loud?!? And the ark thing makes little sense.

I examined many religions, rebelled and argued. Then i took a New Testament class, and I read and contemplated and read and contemplated. In my view, ideas attributed to Christ are consistent and true, and they are helpful to me in understanding myself, my soul, others, and the world.

Spiritual questions simply cannot be answered by anyone but you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Cdpyx ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:05PM

And I dont believe i am a better person than you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: OK, here's something ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:08PM

The problem is, nearly every one who claims to be "religious" or "spiritual" is doing it for temporal reasons, or, at a minimum, they expect to be given a pass by everyone, because they are "such a spiritual person".

Admit it. Deep down inside you KNOW it.

Or, keep you "spiritualism" to yourself, and impress others merely by deeds.

Be a good person. Don't tell me about it. If you need "spiritualism" to guide you in being a good person, so be it...but keep it to yourself.

I certainly don't need "spiritualism" to guide me in being a good person, nor do I seek reward, either temporal of everlasting, for doing so.

Also, understand...just how much EVIL is visited upon the world in the name of religion and god seeking..,.and, again, how much people expect and get a pass in the name of their "spirituality".

And also admit to bible babble. Answer nothing...confuse...obfuscate...tell the person to see a pastor...etc...etc...

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Re: already written
Posted by: Hwudv ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:17PM

I disagree. I have been talking with you today because you asked, not because I was proselytizing.

And Christ taught just as you say, matthew 6:

1“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven.

2 “So when you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and on the streets, to be honored by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. 3 But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: yeah verily ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:19PM

Tell me about dueteronomy...

That is a doozy!

If you want to see the world record for backpeddling...ask a "christian" about that!

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Re: already written
Posted by: Dpptv ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:34PM

You're baiting again - and hey what about this?!?

Just stop worrying about everyone else and what they believe, calm your mind, contemplate, and love others; and know you are loved.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Hbyhp ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:42PM

And I agree much evil has been perpetrated on the world in the name of religion. But it is because humans manipulate others to their own selfish benefit, sowing seeds of discontent to get others to act out of fear or greed.

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Re: already written
Posted by: what the f ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:49PM

Baiting?

You quote scripture to me, then I ask you to tell me about some other scripture?

That's baiting?

Then stop quoting scripture to me, silly goose.

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Re: already written
Posted by: and no ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:53PM

And stop worrying about everyone else?

Why would I do that?

Especially sneaky petes.

That's part of the deal...you "religious folk" want and expect a free pass, like I said...

I don't give one, as you might tell...I say everyone needs to be held accountable and stop hiding behind jesus babble.

But you know, "what a guy"...goes to church, etc...too many people expect that, and frankly, are given it.

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Re: already written
Posted by: 3pved ()
Date: April 14, 2019 10:58PM

Thank you for calling me a "silly goose" instead of a "f'ing foolish idiot". I have to go off-line now...probably until after Easter...but hope to talk with you later. May God bless you, and I hope you knpw I mean it with all sincerity.

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Re: already written
Posted by: pointing out the obvious ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:25PM

7ev9y Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The OP is confusing his mind with his soul. Lots
> of people do that, please do not ridicule him.


No. The OP is a fucking troll. It has no desire to learn, only ridicule.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Pjhpb ()
Date: April 14, 2019 11:28PM

That is not Christianly. You do not know his soul.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Ark Royal ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:46AM

never never cash down Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> aliens? Wrote:
>
> >
> > The modern efforts are focused on a longer term
> > with no specific brewing rainstorm in mind.
> >
> > I suppose one could just as easily invoke
> aliens
> > now as then. Perhaps aliens are advising the
> > Frozen Ark Project?
>
>
> That was the point.
>
> The original statement in question was about
> building the Ark in Noah's alleged era.
>
> """ If it's so ridiculous, why are billions of
> dollars
> being spent on similar such efforts today, all
> over the world?"""
>
> As it turns out, they are not spending billions on
> recreating what Noah was said to have done. They
> are spending billions of dollars doing something
> else entirely.
>
> Members of the Cross People cult (Christians) are
> always have something basically wrong with their
> logic. They have to, they believe in that shit.

No, both the ancient and modern efforts are about preserving species during a natural disaster. Furthermore, Noah -- or Utnapishtim if you will -- built the ark thousands of years before Christ. So while the story is in the Bible, it's certainly not exclusive to Christianity.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Are you for real? ()
Date: April 15, 2019 02:10AM

Ark Royal Wrote:

>
> No, both the ancient and modern efforts are about
> preserving species during a natural disaster.
> Furthermore, Noah -- or Utnapishtim if you will --
> built the ark thousands of years before Christ.
> So while the story is in the Bible, it's certainly
> not exclusive to Christianity.

This does not address the only pertinent inquiry.
Could an Ark have been built during the alleged time of Noah?

Point to modern technology and saying, "they are researching it in the 21st century", really doesn't answer that question, now does it?

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Re: already written
Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 07:12AM

God has a "pre-written" destiny/plan for your life. It is up to you whether or not you follow the plan. He gives you the path to follow with instructions in the Bible. It's up to you or not whether you follow those instructions. Being sinful is not part of God's plan for our lives. Whether you sin or not is up to you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Boat builder ()
Date: April 15, 2019 07:46AM

Are you for real? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Ark Royal Wrote:
>
> >
> > No, both the ancient and modern efforts are
> about
> > preserving species during a natural disaster.
> > Furthermore, Noah -- or Utnapishtim if you will
> --
> > built the ark thousands of years before Christ.
>
> > So while the story is in the Bible, it's
> certainly
> > not exclusive to Christianity.
>
> This does not address the only pertinent inquiry.
> Could an Ark have been built during the alleged
> time of Noah?
>
> Point to modern technology and saying, "they are
> researching it in the 21st century", really
> doesn't answer that question, now does it?

Whats so difficult about building a large wooden boat? It was certainly possible with no assistance from aliens required.

One the other hand, one can point to numerous examples of ancient construction that should not have been possible yet they exist, creating fodder for the aliens enthusiasts.

Riding in boat for a couple months with a bunch of animals is not technically unreasonable, and there is a strong tradition predating the Bible that it happened. We know there have been huge floods of Biblical proportions.

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Re: already written
Posted by: fuck him ()
Date: April 15, 2019 08:49AM

Pjhpb Wrote:
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> That is not Christianly. You do not know his soul.


the OP repeatedly intentionally mistyped Jesus, it was explained to said troll he is quoting the Old Testastment. The words of Jesus are written in red. There is no red ink in the Old Testament. The Old Testament is an attempt by people that knew very little of the world to explain how that world came to be. Even though the flood story has since been proven to likely be based on fact...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_deluge_hypothesis

the OP obviously has refused the Google the difference between the Old and New Testaments while continuing to ridicule what it thinks is one book. Assholes like him are too much of a pussy to ridicule a religion that their only claim to Jerusalem is their child molesting prophet visited there in a dream, because that is the one religion on this planet today that will slit your throat for insulting them.

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Re: already written
Posted by: oh my golly ()
Date: April 15, 2019 08:50AM

"Riding in a boat for a couple of months with a bunch of animals is not technically unreasonable"

No, its not. You're right.

Riding in a boat WITH TWO OF EVERY SPECIES IN THE WORLD even for 30 seconds is one of the most ridiculous things out there.

Even more ridiculous is the notion of catching two of each, keeping them alive, and having them successfully breed and repopulate the earth with healthy, non-inbred offspring.

Stop equivocating.

Admit it...it is ridiculous.

Don't you bible folks have some mechanism you default to, like, it is just a parable and not a real story, when truth starts getting too real?

Then, probably time to use that.

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Re: already written
Posted by: ok smart guy ()
Date: April 15, 2019 08:53AM

It's really quite simple Wrote:
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> God has a "pre-written" destiny/plan for your
> life. It is up to you whether or not you follow
> the plan. He gives you the path to follow with
> instructions in the Bible. It's up to you or not
> whether you follow those instructions. Being
> sinful is not part of God's plan for our lives.
> Whether you sin or not is up to you.


So, with abortion...did god "pre-write" that the kid was going to get aborted?

Because, certainly, the kid really has no say in the matter, right?

What do those destiny/plans look like?

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Re: already written
Posted by: oh yeah? ()
Date: April 15, 2019 08:54AM

pointing out the obvious Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 7ev9y Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The OP is confusing his mind with his soul.
> Lots
> > of people do that, please do not ridicule him.
>
>
> No. The OP is a fucking troll. It has no desire to
> learn, only ridicule.

The OP has some good questions, and he basically called the response...that is, what he terms "bible babble".

More power to the OP, and shame on you.

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Re: already written
Posted by: and for real ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:00AM

Look, if you bible experts can't stand up to some questioning, and scrutiny of some of your claims, that is your problem.

Don't get angry at OP...understand that the bible does have some pretty outrageous stuff in it.

If you don't think it does, you probably haven't read it,

Grow up, and learn how to stand up.

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Re: already written
Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:06AM

ok smart guy Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> It's really quite simple Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > God has a "pre-written" destiny/plan for your
> > life. It is up to you whether or not you
> follow
> > the plan. He gives you the path to follow with
> > instructions in the Bible. It's up to you or
> not
> > whether you follow those instructions. Being
> > sinful is not part of God's plan for our lives.
>
> > Whether you sin or not is up to you.
>
>
> So, with abortion...did god "pre-write" that the
> kid was going to get aborted?
>
> Because, certainly, the kid really has no say in
> the matter, right?
>
> What do those destiny/plans look like?


No more than God pre-writes someone gets murdered or killed in a car crash. God has a plan. If someone doesn't follow His plan, so be it. An abortion is a consequence of someone not following God's plan for their life.

God's destinies for us are to be Christ-like and follow the Word. What that looks like is to follow the God-given laws in the Bible (10 commandments and those put forth by Jesus). There is no destiny like 'turn right at the next light'. We exist to be close to God. That is the plan. 99% of us don't do it and fall short (some by a little, most by a lot).

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Posted by: oh, i think I see, is it ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:15AM

"An abortion is a consequence of somebody not following God's plan for their life."

So, that aborted child just wasn't paying attention, huh, to god's plan? Is that what you are saying?

Or, are you saying, that was god's plan?

When does that part about "god not making any mistakes" come into play?

Hmmm...

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Posted by: horny toad ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:22AM

When I was a kid, back in the 60's, we'd visit texas, and we'd catch "horny toads", basically, horned lizards.

We'd try to keep them for a while. They basically ate only ants, and so when we came back north in the winter, we couldn't find ants.

They'd die amazingly fast. Like, w/in 3-4-5 days of us catching them.

Since then, I've been somewhat interested in the little fellers...and have learned just how hard it is to keep them in captivity, and breed them.

Like, teams of university trained people know how to do it in controlled environments...with a lot of failure...

But, ol Noah and his family here, with his wooden boat full of animals, and birds, and reptiles...not a problem...

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Posted by: maybe they drowned, haha ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:47AM

horny toad Wrote:
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> When I was a kid, back in the 60's, we'd visit
> texas, and we'd catch "horny toads", basically,
> horned lizards.
>
> We'd try to keep them for a while. They basically
> ate only ants, and so when we came back north in
> the winter, we couldn't find ants.
>
> They'd die amazingly fast. Like, w/in 3-4-5 days
> of us catching them.
>
> Since then, I've been somewhat interested in the
> little fellers...and have learned just how hard it
> is to keep them in captivity, and breed them.
>
> Like, teams of university trained people know how
> to do it in controlled environments...with a lot
> of failure...
>
> But, ol Noah and his family here, with his wooden
> boat full of animals, and birds, and
> reptiles...not a problem...

Not a problem? Horned toads do not inhabit the region attributed to the flood today, nor have they in the recent past. So even if the toads had lived around Noah before the flood, Noah could not be credited with success in saving them.

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Posted by: fuck him ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:56AM

The Old Testament is no different than stories of fire breathing dragons, or stories of giants. Those stories are the result of ancient people trying to explain dinosaur bones. The story of Noah and the ark is an attempt to explain an event that really did happen, but had been passed down through verbal story telling for 1000 years before being written down. A 30 second Google search gets this...

https://www.josh.org/8-manuscripts-validate-new-testament/


I find it odd how there is no palestinian evidence on this list...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_artifacts_in_biblical_archaeology

there's a hell of a lot more to that list, but most are at sources that believers of the spaghetti monster won't listen to. I study archeology, not specific to any religion, but world wide. There is much to learn from it, and it explains where a lot of what we believe comes from. Though excavations have been excruciatingly slow, this appears to have been built then abandoned a good 2000 years before humans were thought capable of such...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

Imagine what could be learned in the time this asshole spent trolling, but he's made it obvious he'd rather keep believing in the great spaghetti monster..

fuck him

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Re: already written
Posted by: horny toads on a plane ()
Date: April 15, 2019 09:59AM

Don't you know the story?

Two of 'em heeded the call, and swam across the Atlantic, crawled across north Africa to Mt Ararat, and presented themselves, healthy, and with a yr supply of red ants, to Noah.

Duh!

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Re: already written
Posted by: penne pasta ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:01AM

Who/what is the great spaghetti monster?

And who believes in it/him?

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Re: already written
Posted by: ancient boater ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:17AM

^^ You didn't even mention the most recent tablet translated. The flood story was written at least as early as 2,000 BC and describes events that happened much much earlier.

There is solid archaeological evidence for the flood and the destruction it caused. Not sure what the spaghetti eater is smoking. Since there are no horned lizards outside of North America today, obviously Noah or Utnapishtim did NOT save them.
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Posted by: Black Sea ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:26AM

The flood is pretty widely accepted as having actually happened, despite the denial from the spaghetti monster worshiper.

It would be foolish to discount old stories out of hand as fabrications. Archaeology moves very slowly, but evidence always supports myths at a minimum having a basis in actual real events.

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Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:35AM

oh, i think I see, is it Wrote:
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> "An abortion is a consequence of somebody not
> following God's plan for their life."
>
> So, that aborted child just wasn't paying
> attention, huh, to god's plan? Is that what you
> are saying?
>
> Or, are you saying, that was god's plan?
>
> When does that part about "god not making any
> mistakes" come into play?
>
> Hmmm...


The aborted child is no more part of God's plan than the innocent lady driving home that is hit and killed by a drunk driver.

As I wrote above, God's plan for our lives isn't a Waze set of directions that tell us when to sleep, when to eat, when to turn left, when to sit down, etc

God's plan for our lives is to listen to His Word and to follow it. God gave us all free will. We can follow His plan or not. It is up to us.

God does no make mistakes. People make mistakes. And when people make mistakes, there are consequences. Usually to ourselves, but also to those around us or to totally innocent people who just happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

None of this is complicated at all. You're way overthinking it. Live a holy life and follow the teachings of Christ and you'll be following God's plan for you. All of us fall short, but we have to keep trying or we are lost. Sadly, most don't care.

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Posted by: jybbhvg ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:44AM

Oh, it's way complicated.

You just choose to turn a blind eye to it. Who knows why.

I live a GREAT life. I don't require a "guidebook" to do so, nor do I require the promise of everlasting, nor do I need pats on the back from my peers to do so.

I choose to do so...out of FREE WILL!

But to not see the craziness in organized religion, and the unnecessary bad that can come from it...wars, deceit, coverups...is crazy to me.

Doesn't some of the stuff here seem crazy to you?

Like, people defending the ark as real?

I'm sure it does, you just don't want to admit it.

Your temporal reward systems wouldn't allow it.

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Re: already written
Posted by: and another thing ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:04AM

Why is that somebody will "pray" for sick person, and when they get well, the claim some kind of god miracle?

Has somebody ever prayed for an amputee, who then grows a leg back? Wouldn't that be miraculous, more so than something that might just have happened on its own?

And why is it, when like a tornado rips through a town, and some family is "spared" while just about everyone else gets blown apart, that they "thank god" that they were spared?

So, the other families? just not good enough to be spared? Or, did somebody not pray for them hard enough?

You don't see any hocus pocus BS in that?

Why the F not?

What is wrong with you!!!!

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Re: already written
Posted by: pointer outer of things ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:12AM

It's no more crazy than the people that think socialism will work this time because it wasn't done right last time

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Re: already written
Posted by: klpsng ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:27AM

Maybe, Who knows. Whatever political message you want.

But, I guarantee you, if anyone tries to answer that "and another thing" post, it will be filled with misdirection, "you're a dick (or whatever)" and all kinds of bible mumbo jumbo.

But no one will answer why "miracles" don't include an amputee growing a full leg back, while miracles DO include somebody getting cured of something, that might be attributable to modern science.

Oh, I know...god created modern science....therefore...

stop the insanity!

It's OK! You can still pretend...go to church...get your business contacts....get your pats on the back...

But please...admit it! The world will be better!

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Posted by: They be crazy ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:32PM

and another thing Wrote:
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> Why is that somebody will "pray" for sick person,
> and when they get well, the claim some kind of god
> miracle?
Here is an even more hypocritical use of 'miracle' that happens more than it should.

A person survives an accident where most others perish.

That person is called 'a miracle'.

What does that say about the others?

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Posted by: ...... ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:39PM

klpsng Wrote:
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> Maybe, Who knows. Whatever political message you
> want.
>
> But, I guarantee you, if anyone tries to answer
> that "and another thing" post, it will be filled
> with misdirection, "you're a dick (or whatever)"
> and all kinds of bible mumbo jumbo.
>
> But no one will answer why "miracles" don't
> include an amputee growing a full leg back, while
> miracles DO include somebody getting cured of
> something, that might be attributable to modern
> science.
>
> Oh, I know...god created modern
> science....therefore...
>
> stop the insanity!
>
> It's OK! You can still pretend...go to
> church...get your business contacts....get your
> pats on the back...
>
> But please...admit it! The world will be better!

I admit it, the world will be better if more people went to a good church

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Posted by: better living through chemistry ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:41PM

klpsng Wrote:

>
> It's OK! You can still pretend...go to
> church...get your business contacts....get your
> pats on the back...
>
> But please...admit it! The world will be better!


You do mention an important aspect of church-going.

Church-going does build social relationships and a sense of community. Human beings need to engage in those things to thrive or they end up becoming reclusive crazy people.

That doesn't mean that one needs to believe that Jesus rose from the dead George Romero style in order to get this interpersonal benefit from joining a church.

Naturally, in this day and age, there are many more options for people to find themselves a community to become part of.

Just don't think sitting reclusively at home typing away at your favorite forums or social media passes for belonging to a community.

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Posted by: still waiting ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:41PM

Of course, no one really discusses why no "miracle" limb regeneration has occurred, yet.

But when they do...oh boy is it gonna be good!

Deflect, deny, get angry.

Then the mumbo jumbo starts.

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Posted by: .... ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:42PM

They be crazy Wrote:
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> and another thing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is that somebody will "pray" for sick
> person,
> > and when they get well, the claim some kind of
> god
> > miracle?
> Here is an even more hypocritical use of 'miracle'
> that happens more than it should.
>
> A person survives an accident where most others
> perish.
>
> That person is called 'a miracle'.
>
> What does that say about the others?


The others were heathens, much like yourself.

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Posted by: label much? ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:52PM

better living through chemistry Wrote:
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> klpsng Wrote:
>
> >
> > It's OK! You can still pretend...go to
> > church...get your business contacts....get your
> > pats on the back...
> >
> > But please...admit it! The world will be
> better!
>
>
> You do mention an important aspect of
> church-going.
>
> Church-going does build social relationships and a
> sense of community. Human beings need to engage in
> those things to thrive or they end up becoming
> reclusive crazy people.
>
> That doesn't mean that one needs to believe that
> Jesus rose from the dead George Romero style in
> order to get this interpersonal benefit from
> joining a church.
>
> Naturally, in this day and age, there are many
> more options for people to find themselves a
> community to become part of.
>
> Just don't think sitting reclusively at home
> typing away at your favorite forums or social
> media passes for belonging to a community.

I belong to plenty of communities, all of them productive, all of them with positive by-products for those around.

None of which involve belief in a myth, nor involve the creation of massive temples to the myth, and hate in the guise of religion.

And so are you thinking, the only way to be part of a community is to be part of a church? Who raised you, boy? Christians? You need to expand your horizons...

Judgmental MoFo...

Thank you very much!

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Posted by: ark of truth ()
Date: April 15, 2019 12:56PM

Still waiting on somebody telling us why there has been no miracle limb regeneration.

Like, a serious christian person. And no, to say that there are billion dollar efforts worldwide to do that doesn't answer the question, mr ark guy.

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Posted by: don't forget.. ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:01PM

.... Wrote:

> > A person survives an accident where most others
> > perish.
> >
> > That person is called 'a miracle'.
> >
> > What does that say about the others?
>
>
> The others were heathens, much like yourself.


The proper form of address is "Heathen Scum".

That said, are you saying everyone who died in 911 were heathens?

Even if you were, what you are implying is that Christians don't give a shit about non-Christians. This is just like how Muslims don't give a shit about non-Muslims.

What was the difference between Christianity and Islam again?

I remember... Islam looks at Jesus as just another prophet and not the Messiah...

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Posted by: fact o the matter ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:04PM

IF people REALLY believed...like, how bad hell is, how great heaven is...do you think we would have ANYHTING here on earth?

No.

It'd be like...screw that trying to make money...I just want to fish and make bread and give it to the poor...'cus, man, this is but a very temporary blip...wouldn't give a sheyet about anything temporal, no earthly pleasures, no hot women, no cool cars, no football games, no cool houses, no golf courses with poor people outside, no vacations...it would be all making bread to give to the poor.

Now, how any christians do you know that live that way?

Because, you know, heaven is great, and hell suuuuuucks.

Not many...and the few that do (Jonestown comes to mind), well, look what happens there.

Face it, folks, there are very few true believers.

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Posted by: whatadumbfuck ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:06PM

label much? Wrote:
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>
>
> I belong to plenty of communities, all of them
> productive, all of them with positive by-products
> for those around.
>
> None of which involve belief in a myth, nor
> involve the creation of massive temples to the
> myth, and hate in the guise of religion.
>
> And so are you thinking, the only way to be part
> of a community is to be part of a church? Who
> raised you, boy? Christians? You need to expand
> your horizons...
>
> Judgmental MoFo...
>
> Thank you very much!

that's why you are trolling this place. Living in your moms basement doesn't count as belonging to a community. But nice try.

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Re: already written
Posted by: Misunderstood ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:07PM

label much? Wrote:
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> better living through chemistry Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > klpsng Wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > It's OK! You can still pretend...go to
> > > church...get your business contacts....get
> your
> > > pats on the back...
> > >
> > > But please...admit it! The world will be
> > better!
> >
> >
> > You do mention an important aspect of
> > church-going.
> >
> > Church-going does build social relationships and
> a
> > sense of community. Human beings need to engage
> in
> > those things to thrive or they end up becoming
> > reclusive crazy people.
> >
> > That doesn't mean that one needs to believe
> that
> > Jesus rose from the dead George Romero style in
> > order to get this interpersonal benefit from
> > joining a church.
> >
> > Naturally, in this day and age, there are many
> > more options for people to find themselves a
> > community to become part of.
> >
> > Just don't think sitting reclusively at home
> > typing away at your favorite forums or social
> > media passes for belonging to a community.
>
> I belong to plenty of communities, all of them
> productive, all of them with positive by-products
> for those around.
>
> None of which involve belief in a myth, nor
> involve the creation of massive temples to the
> myth, and hate in the guise of religion.
>
> And so are you thinking, the only way to be part
> of a community is to be part of a church? Who
> raised you, boy? Christians? You need to expand
> your horizons...
>
> Judgmental MoFo...
>
> Thank you very much!


I think you misunderstood. I am a Heathen Scum I just know that the things people get out of going to church are independent of believing in a 2000-year-old book of myth, legend, and superstition. I honestly do think people need to be part of a community, sadly some only seem to be able to find one is by going to church.

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Re: already written
Posted by: bad christian...bad! ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:08PM

You are very inspirational!

Are you a christian!

judgmental MoFO!

You don't know me at all...there is no way possible for you to know me...

Heck...I could be old JC hisself...just testing you!

And you fail!

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Re: already written
Posted by: by the way ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:10PM

Above is to "whatadumf***"

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Re: already written
Posted by: to whatadumbf*** ()
Date: April 15, 2019 01:14PM

And so, mr. "whatadumf***" first, i thought christians werent supposed to cuss, and second, if in fact I'm sitting in my mom's basement (she died in the early 90's) wouldn't you be doing the same?

Not that I give a f&*& (don't cuss), but seriously?

What community do you belong to?

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Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 02:18PM

and another thing Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why is that somebody will "pray" for sick person,
> and when they get well, the claim some kind of god
> miracle?
>
> Has somebody ever prayed for an amputee, who then
> grows a leg back? Wouldn't that be miraculous,
> more so than something that might just have
> happened on its own?
>
> And why is it, when like a tornado rips through a
> town, and some family is "spared" while just about
> everyone else gets blown apart, that they "thank
> god" that they were spared?
>
> So, the other families? just not good enough to be
> spared? Or, did somebody not pray for them hard
> enough?
>
> You don't see any hocus pocus BS in that?
>
> Why the F not?
>
> What is wrong with you!!!!


Why is stage 4 cancer disappearing less of a miracle to you than someone regrowing a leg?

People thank God for things because they believe God did something for them. And those who are killed aren't necessarily killed because they were evil or because they didn't go to church. It was a tornado. Tornados often kill people. So do floods and house fires and car accidents and grizzly bears. How does this prove or disprove God?

You will never convince anyone who truly believes in God that we are wrong. Bad things happen to everyone. The Bible tells us that the rain falls on the just and the unjust alike. Being a child of God doesn't mean we don't have problems or are invincible. It's an inner peace and a knowing that transcends those who don't believe. If you don't have it, you won't understand it.

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Posted by: OK, nice try (not really) ()
Date: April 15, 2019 02:41PM

Why isn't stage 4 cancer disappearing less of a miracle?

Is it REALLY disappearing, as you think, or is it, via rounds of chemo and other medicines, being cured?

Instead of deflecting, shifting, tell me...why hasn't some guy ever regrown an amputated leg?

Because, we, as human animals, have yet to figure that out, that is, how to regrow an amputated body part.

But, we study reptiles, because through time and evolution, have developed the ability to somewhat regenerate body parts.

You know, those evil reptiles, that have come about not because of evolution, but because your sweet jegus and his daddy designed them so.

Guess they forgot to do that with humans.

Seriously...stop deflecting, equivocating, etc...you KNOW your line of reasoning would not stand up in any other arena besides religion, and you are so used to getting a pass because it is your religion.

But a limb regenerating itself is not the same as a cure for stage 4 cancer.

Nice try.

If it were, why hasn't a limb ever regenerated itself?

You know, a guy with no legs...and then, year later...legs?

How come jegus just seems to kind of, you know, shy away, avoid that?

And stop with the crazy logic.

Answer that as if you didn't believe in the myth.

You can't.

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Posted by: think about it ()
Date: April 15, 2019 02:46PM

And you try and make "believing" sound so, I don't know...good!

Would you feel the same way about someone who believed in Superman? Lord of the Rings? Harry Potter?

Probably not.

I wouldn't.

Why do you think your irrational belief is any different?

because you surround yourself with others of a similar mindset, who are rewarded here on earth for this belief and the systems that come with it.

But if you really stop and think about it, your beliefs are no better than superman, or lord of the rings, or...

You just get rewarded for it.

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Re: already written
Posted by: BB 102 ()
Date: April 15, 2019 02:53PM

Bible babble 102 is as follows:

Make some weird logic, half hearted attempt at refuting the argument (plenty of examples above), and then, go with the old "you just wouldn't understand...it is a matter of...blah blah blah..."

And then sometimes, maybe a conciliatory, "it's OK, 'cus your thinking with your mind, and not your soul" or something like that.

I might be OK with it all, if there wasn't so much EVIL associated with it...seriously.

It is HATE! and throw in a little MONEY!

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Re: already written
Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 05:19PM

OK, nice try (not really) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Why isn't stage 4 cancer disappearing less of a
> miracle?
>
> Is it REALLY disappearing, as you think, or is it,
> via rounds of chemo and other medicines, being
> cured?
>
> Instead of deflecting, shifting, tell me...why
> hasn't some guy ever regrown an amputated leg?
>
> Because, we, as human animals, have yet to figure
> that out, that is, how to regrow an amputated body
> part.
>
> But, we study reptiles, because through time and
> evolution, have developed the ability to somewhat
> regenerate body parts.
>
> You know, those evil reptiles, that have come
> about not because of evolution, but because your
> sweet jegus and his daddy designed them so.
>
> Guess they forgot to do that with humans.
>
> Seriously...stop deflecting, equivocating,
> etc...you KNOW your line of reasoning would not
> stand up in any other arena besides religion, and
> you are so used to getting a pass because it is
> your religion.
>
> But a limb regenerating itself is not the same as
> a cure for stage 4 cancer.
>
> Nice try.
>
> If it were, why hasn't a limb ever regenerated
> itself?
>
> You know, a guy with no legs...and then, year
> later...legs?
>
> How come jegus just seems to kind of, you know,
> shy away, avoid that?
>
> And stop with the crazy logic.
>
> Answer that as if you didn't believe in the myth.
>
> You can't.


You are using a strawman argument. We don't know if an amputated limb has grown back or not. For all we know, it happened yesterday in South America somewhere. Just because we don't know if something happened doesn't mean that it hasn't.

And just because someone hasn't flown across the Atlantic Ocean by flapping his arms doesn't mean there is no God. Sorry, not being able to disprove a negative doesn't affirm anything.

You make the same mistake that many make. God is not a magic show act, a genie, or Santa Claus. He doesn't sit around granting wishes or worrying about whether or not some guy on Fairfax Underground believes in Him or fretting about how to get more people to believe in Him. Your faith isn't that important to Him. We were all created to be one thing to God. Whether or not we are that is up to us. He has given us the directions. We are free to follow or not.

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Posted by: It's really quite simple ()
Date: April 15, 2019 05:26PM

think about it Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And you try and make "believing" sound so, I don't
> know...good!
>
> Would you feel the same way about someone who
> believed in Superman? Lord of the Rings? Harry
> Potter?
>
> Probably not.
>
> I wouldn't.
>
> Why do you think your irrational belief is any
> different?
>
> because you surround yourself with others of a
> similar mindset, who are rewarded here on earth
> for this belief and the systems that come with
> it.
>
> But if you really stop and think about it, your
> beliefs are no better than superman, or lord of
> the rings, or...
>
> You just get rewarded for it.


Because I can show you who invented Superman. Who invented the LOTR. Who invented Harry Potter. But no one can explain how the universe came into existence. How something came from nothing. How the laws of physics must be ignored to believe in macro-evolution at a universal scale. How the mathematical odds of earth existing and being populated by self-aware intelligent life is far, far higher than someone being able to fly across the Atlantic Ocean just by flapping his arms.

Belief is God is not comparable to modern works of fiction. People believed in God before there was a Bible (Torah) or a written language.

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Re: already written
Posted by: which god? ()
Date: April 15, 2019 05:36PM

And so, since you can show who "invented" superman...LOTR...Harry Potter...and you can't show who "invented" the bible, it must therefore be legit and accurate?

And since people believed in god (which one? There have been, and are, hundreds throughout history) before written language, therefore...what?

Legit?

Really? Is that the best that can be done?

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Re: already written
Posted by: One small change ()
Date: April 15, 2019 06:24PM

Belief in Bigfoot is not comparable to modern works of fiction. People believed in Bigfoot before there was a Bible (Torah) or a written language.

I guess Bigfoot must exist too!!!

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Re: already written
Posted by: Godel wrong, Poincare correct ()
Date: April 15, 2019 06:55PM

"Because I can show you who invented Superman. Who invented the LOTR. Who invented Harry Potter. But no one can explain how the universe came into existence. How something came from nothing. How the laws of physics must be ignored to believe in macro-evolution at a universal scale. How the mathematical odds of earth existing and being populated by self-aware intelligent life is far, far higher than someone being able to fly across the Atlantic Ocean just by flapping his arms."

Science has made massive strides in understanding the universe. Due to the miraculous nature of Science, it seems for every question answered, 10 questions get asked. One can always find unanswered questions.

A concrete example might be revealing. Primitive people did not understand electromagnetism and thought magnets were signs of God's miracles. We now know they are not.

Of all the answers that Science has discovered, not once has it been "God did it!".

The point is "We don't know yet, therefore GOD...The End" is not a valid inference.

The truth is "We don't know yet, let's research and find out" is the only way we will actually find the answers...

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Re: already written
Posted by: WHATAFUKINDUMBFUCK ()
Date: April 15, 2019 07:02PM

to whatadumbf*** Wrote:
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> And so, mr. "whatadumf***" first, i thought
> christians werent supposed to cuss, and second, if
> in fact I'm sitting in my mom's basement (she died
> in the early 90's) wouldn't you be doing the
> same?
>
> Not that I give a f&*& (don't cuss), but
> seriously?
>
> What community do you belong to?

and I thought libtardz were all welcoming. Odd.

I'm always tested, that's how life works. The true measure of a man isn't how he acts when people are watching, but how they act when they think no one is watching. It obvious what camp you are in. Me? I gladly offer a hand up when I'm able. You aren't looking for a hand up. In this case that refers to knowledge. So why should I bang my head against a wall for nothing? You aren't ready to learn anything. Perhaps when youre mature you'll have an honest conversation with someone about what faith is.

now fuck off

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Re: already written
Posted by: hlgtta ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:24PM

Why so angry?

Your emotions do seem to get the best of you, and possibly cloud your judgment.

do you have trouble at work, assuming you have a job of any consequence?

Somebody asks you something you might not agree with, and you cuss, call them names, and assume something about their political point of view?

Do you love god?

You sure do seem angry.

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Re: already written
Posted by: the truth is ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:32PM

Still waiting for someone to tell me why god doesn't choose the miracle of limb regeneration.

Why does he shoot for low hanging fruit, stuff that might be confused with something a doctor might also be able to pull off?

I'll tell you this...I might be a "believer" if one day, one of my buddies who is missing his leg below the knee, said "come with me...there's this church guy who says he can fix this"

And we go, and all the sudden...a perfectly formed lower leg starts forming...

Yeah, I'm pretty sure at the point, I'd say, "man, I gotta rethink EVERYTHING...that looks like a freakin miracle to me!"

Nope, it's always some "miracle" of a dubious nature.

That doesn't make you wonder?

Man, it really, really should.

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Re: already written
Posted by: arm grows back in south america ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:46PM

It's really quite simple Wrote:
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> OK, nice try (not really) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why isn't stage 4 cancer disappearing less of a
> > miracle?
> >
> > Is it REALLY disappearing, as you think, or is
> it,
> > via rounds of chemo and other medicines, being
> > cured?
> >
> > Instead of deflecting, shifting, tell me...why
> > hasn't some guy ever regrown an amputated leg?
> >
> > Because, we, as human animals, have yet to
> figure
> > that out, that is, how to regrow an amputated
> body
> > part.
> >
> > But, we study reptiles, because through time
> and
> > evolution, have developed the ability to
> somewhat
> > regenerate body parts.
> >
> > You know, those evil reptiles, that have come
> > about not because of evolution, but because
> your
> > sweet jegus and his daddy designed them so.
> >
> > Guess they forgot to do that with humans.
> >
> > Seriously...stop deflecting, equivocating,
> > etc...you KNOW your line of reasoning would not
> > stand up in any other arena besides religion,
> and
> > you are so used to getting a pass because it is
> > your religion.
> >
> > But a limb regenerating itself is not the same
> as
> > a cure for stage 4 cancer.
> >
> > Nice try.
> >
> > If it were, why hasn't a limb ever regenerated
> > itself?
> >
> > You know, a guy with no legs...and then, year
> > later...legs?
> >
> > How come jegus just seems to kind of, you know,
> > shy away, avoid that?
> >
> > And stop with the crazy logic.
> >
> > Answer that as if you didn't believe in the
> myth.
> >
> > You can't.
>
>
> You are using a strawman argument. We don't know
> if an amputated limb has grown back or not. For
> all we know, it happened yesterday in South
> America somewhere. Just because we don't know if
> something happened doesn't mean that it hasn't.
>
> And just because someone hasn't flown across the
> Atlantic Ocean by flapping his arms doesn't mean
> there is no God. Sorry, not being able to
> disprove a negative doesn't affirm anything.
>
> You make the same mistake that many make. God is
> not a magic show act, a genie, or Santa Claus. He
> doesn't sit around granting wishes or worrying
> about whether or not some guy on Fairfax
> Underground believes in Him or fretting about how
> to get more people to believe in Him. Your faith
> isn't that important to Him. We were all created
> to be one thing to God. Whether or not we are
> that is up to us. He has given us the directions.
> We are free to follow or not.

We pretty much know that somebody has not had a limb grow back.

If you want to tell me that it has possibly happened somewhere, and we just might not have heard about it, do you really believe that, or are you trying some silly logic trick? Me thinks... no, me knows, 'tis the latter.

And you do too, unless you are lying to yourself about that, as well.

I used it merely to illustrate the dubious nature of some of the claims surrounding a belief in a god...people do cite certain things as miracles...and I have pointed out that these miracles are occurrences that are not really that miraculous at all...in these cases, just the course of nature, or a doctor, could execute the exact same thing.

Don't know what your point about somebody flapping their wings across the Atlantic is, I do see it as just another technique to obfuscate and confuse the issue, so that the real point of dubious miracles can be muddied up and avoided.

On one hand, you say "we don't know that somebody hasn't grown a limb back", which is really an acknowledgment on your part that this might be a good example of a true miracle...and then you go on to try and establish that hey, true miracles aren't important to the establishment of the truth of god's existence...

You can't have it both ways.

And no, nobody has had a limb grow back.

Don't be silly. It smacks of desperation.

I don't blame you, because you don't have much else to go on, but c'mon.

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Re: already written
Posted by: some light reading ()
Date: April 15, 2019 10:49PM

Im hesitant to mention this because you don't seem like your open to the belief of faith. But this was very well documented for the time, and still unexplainable. Thus worthy of miracle status.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_F%C3%A1tima

and this was a one hour programe on the NatGeo channel, I found it very interesting, there are things the camera crew picked up that just don't translate to a print article..

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/10/jesus-christ-tomb-burial-church-holy-sepulchre/

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Re: already written
Posted by: well, what? ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:12PM

Yeah, I kinda looked at both links...

Not sure what the point of them is...

The first seems like some story from South America in 1917, some kids and a nun having weird and fantastic visions...

The second one is a team of archeologists or scientists digging up a tomb that some believe to be JC's himself?

So?

Is there some incredible point to them?

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Re: already written
Posted by: looked again ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:31PM

Sure, I took another look at the first one...it seems one of the "miracles" is this nun predicted the start of WWII?

I'm no historian, but, I think many people saw what was happening in Europe after WWI, and, Germany's discontent with the Treaty of Versailles, and, its economic situation as a result thereof, and, treaties and pacts between various belligerents...and, predicted the same.

Either way, it looked a tad bit like watered down Nostradomus type stuff.

What it did establish for me, though, is the fact that the church, and various adherents to the bible, do in fact place importance on "miracles" (contrary to a poster, above, who seemed to say that miracles aren't important to religious folk).

I don't know, but I honestly didn't see anything that miraculous in what the nun did.

In making an analogy to curing a disease or affliction, it seem to be more towards the side of a "miracle cancer cure" (at best), than a miraculous regeneration of a limb.

Sorry, but don't see much else there.

Honestly.

But thanks, though, for what seems to be a genuine effort.

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Re: already written
Posted by: FFU is not social media ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:44PM

and back to YOU Wrote:
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>
>
> Besides this FFXU, which I'm not sure is social
> media.
>
>

it is anti-social media

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Re: already written
Posted by: ok then ()
Date: April 15, 2019 11:47PM

Thanks for your opinion!

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Re: already written
Posted by: Fatama...really? ()
Date: April 16, 2019 12:43AM

looked again Wrote:
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> Sure, I took another look at the first one...it
> seems one of the "miracles" is this nun predicted
> the start of WWII?
>
> I'm no historian, but, I think many people saw
> what was happening in Europe after WWI, and,
> Germany's discontent with the Treaty of
> Versailles, and, its economic situation as a
> result thereof, and, treaties and pacts between
> various belligerents...and, predicted the same.
>
> Either way, it looked a tad bit like watered down
> Nostradomus type stuff.
>
> What it did establish for me, though, is the fact
> that the church, and various adherents to the
> bible, do in fact place importance on "miracles"
> (contrary to a poster, above, who seemed to say
> that miracles aren't important to religious
> folk).
>
> I don't know, but I honestly didn't see anything
> that miraculous in what the nun did.
>
> In making an analogy to curing a disease or
> affliction, it seem to be more towards the side of
> a "miracle cancer cure" (at best), than a
> miraculous regeneration of a limb.
>
> Sorry, but don't see much else there.
>
> Honestly.
>
> But thanks, though, for what seems to be a genuine
> effort.

Fatima,, really....

what's next, Nostradamus?

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Re: already written
Posted by: haagiss ()
Date: April 16, 2019 09:19AM

Yep, seems a little weak to me.

On one hand it seems there is an undercurrent to say that miracles aren't, or shouldn't be, important to the evaluation of god's work,

BUT

On the other hand, if something sniffs of a miracle, it's like, HEY, LOOK AT THIS! Proof positive of God's miracle making ability!

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