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Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: The real Meade ()
Date: March 21, 2019 07:13PM

Hello Everyone

I have been lurking here for awhile. People say mean things about me here and I have read it and it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better than anyone. I like to sing and write music and do livestream videos. I am on disability for autism and bad health. I don't see why people hate me. Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get a job that is more sustainable and I take care of my dad who is almost 85. That is pretty respectable. Give me some credit. Thanks!

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Josef K. ()
Date: March 21, 2019 07:41PM

The real Meade Wrote:
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> Hello Everyone
>
> I have been lurking here for awhile. People say
> mean things about me here and I have read it and
> it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better than
> anyone. I like to sing and write music and do
> livestream videos. I am on disability for autism
> and bad health. I don't see why people hate me.
> Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of
> talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get a
> job that is more sustainable and I take care of my
> dad who is almost 85. That is pretty respectable.
> Give me some credit. Thanks!


Meade, you really owe it to yourself to take a long hard look at how you come off to other people. Has it ever really occurred to you that you just might not be as talented as you actually think you are? The world is full of people who think they are more talented than they are. In this era with the internet, we can see many of them make fools of themselves. Also, you come off needy and a little bitter but refuse to see your own part in the situation..,

Time to grow up...

Take these old sayings for what they are worth,

"Winners do what they should do, losers do what they want to do"
"If I act like an asshole, people will treat me like I'm an asshole"
"When I quit blaming others is when I quit being a victim"

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Real Meade ()
Date: March 21, 2019 07:59PM

Josef K. Wrote:
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> The real Meade Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Hello Everyone
> >
> > I have been lurking here for awhile. People say
> > mean things about me here and I have read it
> and
> > it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better
> than
> > anyone. I like to sing and write music and do
> > livestream videos. I am on disability for
> autism
> > and bad health. I don't see why people hate me.
> > Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of
> > talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get
> a
> > job that is more sustainable and I take care of
> my
> > dad who is almost 85. That is pretty
> respectable.
> > Give me some credit. Thanks!
>
>
> Meade, you really owe it to yourself to take a
> long hard look at how you come off to other
> people. Has it ever really occurred to you that
> you just might not be as talented as you actually
> think you are? The world is full of people who
> think they are more talented than they are. In
> this era with the internet, we can see many of
> them make fools of themselves. Also, you come off
> needy and a little bitter but refuse to see your
> own part in the situation..,
>
> Time to grow up...
>
> Take these old sayings for what they are worth,
>
> "Winners do what they should do, losers do what
> they want to do"
> "If I act like an asshole, people will treat me
> like I'm an asshole"
> "When I quit blaming others is when I quit being a
> victim"

I never thought I was talented. I just like to create music videos and sing songs about stuff I know and love. I play keyboard and guitar and I think the songs resonate with a good deal of people. Talent is subjective, and I'm only competition with myself.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: HOPE THIS HELPS ()
Date: March 21, 2019 08:06PM

The real Meade Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hello Everyone
>
> I have been lurking here for awhile. People say
> mean things about me here and I have read it and
> it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better than
> anyone. I like to sing and write music and do
> livestream videos. I am on disability for autism
> and bad health. I don't see why people hate me.
> Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of
> talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get a
> job that is more sustainable and I take care of my
> dad who is almost 85. That is pretty respectable.
> Give me some credit. Thanks!


Meade here's some pointers for you

-Your brand and style of Country Music is lost in the early 1990's. While that's not necessarily a bad thing, it simply isn't markatable to a wide audience anymore and borders on the "quaint" and some times syrupy side

-Your seem to project a persona that is a bit high and mighty and "uppity" . This is a turn off for a potential audience

-You put yourself out there several years ago and to the point where people grew tired of your grandiose self promotion. You should have consulted an strategist or someone who knows more about music marketing

-What fans you have left may have felt alienated by trolls and other people online who scare them away. Kind of like what they do to kind Trump supporters.

-You may want to consider working on rebranding your image, finding a stable job, and write music on the side. You can always try Branson.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Allen. ()
Date: March 21, 2019 08:09PM

The real Meade Wrote:
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> Hello Everyone
>
> I have been lurking here for awhile. People say
> mean things about me here and I have read it and
> it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better than
> anyone. I like to sing and write music and do
> livestream videos. I am on disability for autism
> and bad health. I don't see why people hate me.
> Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of
> talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get a
> job that is more sustainable and I take care of my
> dad who is almost 85. That is pretty respectable.
> Give me some credit. Thanks!

I think you are surprising talented. Before hearing you sing and based on comments, I expected you to be a complete disaster, but you have a good voice and can play instruments very well. It’s not really my thing and your politics/religiousness are a bit off from what appeals to me.

I think you’ve kind of made yourself a target with some of your blogs and shameless self-promotion. But honestly, there really doesn’t need to a reason in this place that some people get hung up on bullying and certain “memes” (which you’ve become one for FFXU). People are mean and if you expose yourself on this site for any reason, you will be targeted. Simple as that. You can either ignore or just stop coming around if it truly bothers you but my advice would be not to internalize it or worry about the people hating you cause there really is no rhyme or reason.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Ejkee ()
Date: March 21, 2019 09:08PM

I think meade is a decent singer.
I think meade feels his voice fits a certain style of music, he must try music similar, if he can, the popular white people music is country music, Rock in my area is making a come, but I feel meade voice and style should more of a folky country kinda stuff...Johnny cash....Chris Stapleton, which is more current, pick up a guitar and try something a bit more in.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: One word... ()
Date: March 21, 2019 09:38PM

Jealousy

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: #1 fan o meade ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:19PM

Contrary to what you were taught, Robert E. Lee was a horrible military strategist, a criminal who illegally stole slaves after they were freed, and was a traitor to his country. The founding fathers were not anti-gay, and, Hillary Clinton is not the devil. More White kids listen to rap than rock and country combined, Get over it.

Do me a favor, watch Rachel Maddow next week, (she is off today and Friday), and let us know what you learned.

It is not your music, it is your outdatated and uneducated vocal views that land you in hot water.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Watches Maddow... ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:27PM

Thinks he's smarter than Meade.


LOL-Trol-Face.gif

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Im ok ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:27PM

Of what? I have accomplished more at Meade's age than Meade has accomplished. I married a Colonial Dame, make six figures, own a 700k+ house three quarters paid for, and have two teens. My in-laws have a southern resume Meade would die for. What am I jealous of?

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:33PM

Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> Knows he's smarter than Meade.
>
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Fify

Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker Carlson, or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even Tucker said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Watches Maddow... ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:44PM

Wordsmith Wrote:
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> Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> -----
> > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> >
> >
> > >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
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>
>
> Fify
>
> Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker Carlson,
> or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even Tucker
> said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."


I'm saying that you thinking that she's any better than them makes you as dumb as Meade.

And you can't play or sing.

Meade FTW.


LOL-Trol-Face.gif

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Watches Maddow... ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:45PM

Check that...

Meade can't play or sing either.

Call it a tie.


LOL-Trol-Face.gif

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Lee was a great Virginian ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:49PM

#1 fan o meade Wrote:
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> Contrary to what you were taught, Robert E. Lee
> was a horrible military strategist, a criminal who
> illegally stole slaves after they were freed, and
> was a traitor to his country. The founding
> fathers were not anti-gay, and, Hillary Clinton is
> not the devil. More White kids listen to rap than
> rock and country combined, Get over it.
>
> Do me a favor, watch Rachel Maddow next week,
> (she is off today and Friday), and let us know
> what you learned.
>
> It is not your music, it is your outdatated and
> uneducated vocal views that land you in hot water.


Robert E. Lee was true Patriot and Gentleman who freed his slaves in 1862. He fought to defend his native Virginia from Federal terrorists.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 21, 2019 10:56PM

Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> Wordsmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> > >
> > >
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> >
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> > > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
> >
> >
> > Fify
> >
> > Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker
> Carlson,
> > or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even
> Tucker
> > said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."
>
>
> I'm saying that you thinking that she's any better
> than them [sic]makes you as dumb as Meade.
>
> And you can't play or sing.
>
> Meade FTW.
>
>
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
> /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">


She is better. As a matter of fact, she has more News Emmys than Hannity, Carlson, and O'Reilly combined(Several have none). She even has a Gracie Allen Award for comedy in news. Kathy, I play guitar, and Meade's singing talent can easily be debated.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Watches Maddow... ()
Date: March 21, 2019 11:05PM

Wordsmith Wrote:
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> > Wordsmith Wrote:
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> > > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > Fify
> > >
> > > Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker
> > Carlson,
> > > or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even
> > Tucker
> > > said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."
> >
> >
> > I'm saying that you thinking that she's any
> better
> > than them [sic]makes you as dumb as Meade.
> >
> > And you can't play or sing.
> >
> > Meade FTW.
> >
> >
> > >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
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> > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
>
>
> She is better. As a matter of fact, she has more
> News Emmys than Hannity, Carlson, and O'Reilly
> combined(Several have none). She even has a
> Gracie Allen Award for comedy in news. Kathy, I
> play guitar, and Meade's singing talent can easily
> be debated.



It's hyper-partisan crap for idiots.

Like you.


LOL-Trol-Face.gif

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: This explains it ()
Date: March 22, 2019 12:52AM

One word... Wrote:
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> Jealousy


If the OP really is Meade 'jealousy' explains it all. Meade is jealous of anyone who can actually support themselves. Let alone have a career, create a family and buy property.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Meat Tea ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:40AM

IMHO Meades issue is he can't differentiate fantasy and reality. Clearly he fantasizes about being a famous musician, but the reality is, he is neither good enough or sellable enough. All musicians go through this when their just starting out, but learn to move on if they haven't made significant strides in their late 20's.

He also fantasizes about God steering his life and that God tells him to do stuff. This is not healthy and not realistic. It was all Meade. It also causes him to unnecessarily hate entire groups of people for no logical reason. This is one major cause why people find him repulsive. This whole "I know God better than other people" is absurd and dangerous.

His hypocrisy apparently knows no bounds as he constantly preaches his strict adherence to the bible and yet feels Donald Trump (quite possibly the biggest atheist sleazeball in modern history) is some sort of angel, sent from God to set things right. Another reason people loath him.

and lastly, even the most heterosexual guy in the worlds "gaydar" goes crazy when seeing and hearing Meade. He denies his true feelings because of the embarrassment it would create among his family and religious "friends". If he ever summons the courage to come out and be his real self, I think people would forgive him for being a douche.

These are some of the reasons I think he is disliked by so many.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Meade FTW ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:46AM

Meade is OK by me. There are 3 or 4 jealous assholes here who are fixated on Mr. Talented. The rest of us don't care on way or the other. Just another legacy of eesh and the shitbombs he's left on this site.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:53AM

Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> > -----
> > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > >
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> > > -----
> > > > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fify
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker
> > > Carlson,
> > > > or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even
> > > Tucker
> > > > said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm saying that you thinking that she's any
> > better
> > > than them [sic]makes you as dumb as Meade.
> > >
> > > And you can't play or sing.
> > >
> > > Meade FTW.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
>
> >
> > > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
> >
> >
> > She is better. As a matter of fact, she has
> more
> > News Emmys than Hannity, Carlson, and O'Reilly
> > combined(Several have none). She even has a
> > Gracie Allen Award for comedy in news. Kathy,
> I
> > play guitar, and Meade's singing talent can
> easily
> > be debated.
>
>
>
> It's hyper-partisan crap for idiots.
>
> Like you.
>
>
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
> /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">


Because you don't know what you are talking about. Here is an article comparing the Maddow, Cooper, and Hannity programs over a one week period. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.com/difference-between-cnn-fox-msnbc-how-americans-get-news-2018-9

I see in it descriptions of Hannity being fear mongering, and hyper partisan, juxtaposed to Maddow doing in depth news.

Why is it you need to resort to name calling an making assertions to defend your point? It is a childish attribute.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: You say tomatah, I say tomahta ()
Date: March 22, 2019 09:00AM

Wordsmith Wrote:
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> Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> -----
> > Wordsmith Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fify
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker
> > > > Carlson,
> > > > > or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel?
> Even
> > > > Tucker
> > > > > said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm saying that you thinking that she's any
> > > better
> > > > than them [sic]makes you as dumb as Meade.
> > > >
> > > > And you can't play or sing.
> > > >
> > > > Meade FTW.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > >
> > >
> >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
>
> >
> > >
> > > > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
> > >
> > >
> > > She is better. As a matter of fact, she has
> > more
> > > News Emmys than Hannity, Carlson, and
> O'Reilly
> > > combined(Several have none). She even has a
> > > Gracie Allen Award for comedy in news.
> Kathy,
> > I
> > > play guitar, and Meade's singing talent can
> > easily
> > > be debated.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's hyper-partisan crap for idiots.
> >
> > Like you.
> >
> >
> > >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
>
> > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
>
>
> Because you don't know what you are talking about.
> Here is an article comparing the Maddow, Cooper,
> and Hannity programs over a one week period.
> https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.businessinsider.c
> om/difference-between-cnn-fox-msnbc-how-americans-
> get-news-2018-9
>
> I see in it descriptions of Hannity being fear
> mongering, and hyper partisan, juxtaposed to
> Maddow doing in depth news.
>
> Why is it you need to resort to name calling an
> making assertions to defend your point? It is a
> childish attribute.


of course you do. that's because you're also a partisan hack, just like the morons who are being spoon-fed by Hannity. they are two sides of the same coin. you're just too fucking stupid to see it.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 22, 2019 09:47AM

You are an idiot. Hannity is a college drop out partisan hack who has even been suspended, from Fox News of all places, for his editorials, political activism, and dangerous flame throwing.

Remember when Rachel Maddow had lunch with Sean's ultimate boss Rupert Murdoch, and got him to suspend Hannity for three shows and to get Hannity to back off the Cliven Bundy is a hero story?

Remember when Murdoch invited Rachel to his English castle to try and whoo her to Fox News? Remember when Roger Ailes said they wanted Megyn Kelly to be the intellectual anchor to Fox News evenings, to go up against Rachel Maddow, when Megyn replaced Hannity in the covetted 9:00 PM slot? So, was he saying Sean had not been an intellectual anchor when he had that slot?

Maddow has an equivalent PhD in public Health Policy from Oxford, was a Rhodes Scholar, wrote a best selling historical book on nuclear proliferation where even Rupert Murdoch wrote a back cover review, and Newt Gingrich got caught quoting without attributions. She also wrote and voiced a podcast that was number one downloaded podcast for over a month. Sean Hannity wrote the panned "Conservative Victory in 2012."

They are not equivalent.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:00AM

Watches Maddow... Wrote:
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> Wordsmith Wrote:
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> > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > >
> >
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> >
> > > -----
> > > > Watches Maddow... Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
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>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Knows he's smarter than Meade.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fify
> > > >
> > > > Are you saying drop out Hannity, Tucker
> > > Carlson,
> > > > or O'Reilly are smarter than Rachel? Even
> > > Tucker
> > > > said Rachel "has two brains to [my] one."
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm saying that you thinking that she's any
> > better
> > > than them [sic]makes you as dumb as Meade.
> > >
> > > And you can't play or sing.
> > >
> > > Meade FTW.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> >
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
>
> >
> > > /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">
> >
> >
> > She is better. As a matter of fact, she has
> more
> > News Emmys than Hannity, Carlson, and O'Reilly
> > combined(Several have none). She even has a
> > Gracie Allen Award for comedy in news. Kathy,
> I
> > play guitar, and Meade's singing talent can
> easily
> > be debated.
>
>
>
> It's hyper-partisan crap for idiots.
>
> Like you.
>
>
> src="http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015
> /05/LOL-Trol-Face.gif">


After Maddow destroyed Rand Paul in an interview about civil rights, Rand Paul said, "Maddow was fair to me, the media was not."

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: too stupid to learn it seems ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:17AM

Wordsmith Wrote:
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> You are an idiot. Hannity is a college drop out
> partisan hack who has even been suspended, from
> Fox News of all places, for his editorials,
> political activism, and dangerous flame throwing.
>
> Remember when Rachel Maddow had lunch with Sean's
> ultimate boss Rupert Murdoch, and got him to
> suspend Hannity for three shows and to get Hannity
> to back off the Cliven Bundy is a hero story?
>
> Remember when Murdoch invited Rachel to his
> English castle to try and whoo her to Fox News?
> Remember when Roger Ailes said they wanted Megyn
> Kelly to be the intellectual anchor to Fox News
> evenings, to go up against Rachel Maddow, when
> Megyn replaced Hannity in the covetted 9:00 PM
> slot? So, was he saying Sean had not been an
> intellectual anchor when he had that slot?
>
> Maddow has an equivalent PhD in public Health
> Policy from Oxford, was a Rhodes Scholar, wrote a
> best selling historical book on nuclear
> proliferation where even Rupert Murdoch wrote a
> back cover review, and Newt Gingrich got caught
> quoting without attributions. She also wrote and
> voiced a podcast that was number one downloaded
> podcast for over a month. Sean Hannity wrote the
> panned "Conservative Victory in 2012."
>
> They are not equivalent.


you think that because you're a partisan hack and too fucking stupid to see it. I don't give a shit about Hannity or Maddow. all the awards and accolades that Maddow receives are from her fellow liberals. remember her 'bombshell' about Trump's tax returns. remember how she's been on the air for 2 years telling us that Mueller's report is going to find collusion.

and only partisan hack retards think the Murdochs are conservative. Pappa Murdoch held fundraisers for Hillary in 2015.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Where are the bodies? ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:19AM

Meat Tea Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> IMHO Meades issue is he can't differentiate
> fantasy and reality. Clearly he fantasizes about
> being a famous musician, but the reality is, he is
> neither good enough or sellable enough. All
> musicians go through this when their just starting
> out, but learn to move on if they haven't made
> significant strides in their late 20's.
>
\


More problematic for Meade is not the few people who bash him, it is that fewer people actually like him.

He did that big music survey and 16 people responded TOTAL.

This is twenty years after being in the entertainment industry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miLPrMnX3Js&t=179s

Another thing is 'haters' don't scare people away from watching videos. Meade's popularity peaked with 'sweet tea' and a lot of people gave that video a chance but it certainly didn't result in any long term fams.
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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Madison Ave guy ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:43AM

Trust me! Any press you get is good. You're in the news, that's the point. Play your cards right, whatever you have it seems to be working. Won't be long till someone with influence, not these internet monkeys here, but someone with clout notices you and wonders "why do people respond to this guy?', "what does he have that makes folks tune into his livestreams?". What about sponsoring stuff on the livestream? Call Krugers and tell them you will mention their store for a little compensation. Your talent lies in comedy which is something you can work on. Hope this helps.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Que es mas macho? ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:15AM

Meat Tea Wrote:

> and lastly, even the most heterosexual guy in the
> worlds "gaydar" goes crazy when seeing and hearing
> Meade. He denies his true feelings because of the
> embarrassment it would create among his family and
> religious "friends". If he ever summons the
> courage to come out and be his real self, I think
> people would forgive him for being a douche.
>

You are just jealous. Meade is a real man's man. He has a body type of the great bodybuilders of yesteryear. He is the epitome of Macho man or 'Mensch' as the Germans would say.

He always has been...
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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: knower of things ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:17AM

The partisan hackery is strong with this one. The most honest thing maddox ever said was when she admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while on live tv. There is a reason she works at msnbc, which has lower ratings than HGTV does.

and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot. But the indoctrination that has been done by schools in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows that. 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At that time people considered themselves Virginians, Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect, first and foremost. They considered themselves Americans second or even third. That is why Lee, a West Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission and went home to Virginia. It was to defend him home, not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of the American civil war was what people thought of as home, after the war is when people started thinking they are Americans first, and Virginians second.

Mass slavery was ending world wide at the time as well. It was going to happen here too, with or without a war. The industrial revolution had already happened, and affordable mechanical farm machinery was slowly becoming available. Physical labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of running a business.

It should also be noted that slavery still exists today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read this, among other things >>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

and I can't seem to find anything that says the U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us think. But that's expected when Europe forced African slaves on this continent 200 years before the Declaration of Independence was written.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: ytxpw ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:40AM

The real Meade Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Hello Everyone
>
> I have been lurking here for awhile. People say
> mean things about me here and I have read it and
> it makes me sad. I don't claim to be better than
> anyone. I like to sing and write music and do
> livestream videos. I am on disability for autism
> and bad health. I don't see why people hate me.
> Just because I'm unsuccessful isn't for lack of
> talent. I just don't push that hard. I will get a
> job that is more sustainable and I take care of my
> dad who is almost 85. That is pretty respectable.
> Give me some credit. Thanks!


gerrymanderer2 (OP) posts several lies on ffu daily - many\.10think he's a fx co gov worker who is getting paid to do it for false DNC democrat "advertising". he floods ffu with useless posts to bump down major news, posts fecal matter, mutilated bodies, child porn, foreign drug ads and sneaker ads, tells people to kill themselves and government should seize them and put them on psych pills in prison - decided by democrat gov of course, promotes kangaroo courthouse trials, gives anti-religious rants, gives satanic ritual rants, posts black males with large dicks on white young females, portends white low birth rate and fall of USA, food tampering/poisoning, and anything possible to DEMORALIZE white people on ffu. (perhaps a chinese prisoner or isis member - but definitely knowledgeable of fx co gov from the inside at times). the website operator has told him "not to post or return" which are still posted - not removed, by the sysop: not because of a political leaning but for continual illegal and gross spam along with messages that are only to demoralize if not kill others. he/she plays at financial terrorism as well: continuall reporting false financial data, and fake emergency please from (fake members of the community he makes up)

if OP isn't meade dis'ing himself, and if OP isn't offering Meade a fat committee position of doing nothing and getting paid like so many VA democrats are doing: than OP must be none other than g2


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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: nkkdj ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:44AM

what about that fat little committee, that there are perhaps up to 95 of, decides which persons who don't actually need rent assistance with be able to get "rent subsidy" of housing owned by - guess who - rich democrats real estate types (rather NON-REALESTATE, commie real estate isn't call real estate in USA - not until obama anyhow)

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: juekh ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:44AM

that's not real estate. that's a crime.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Get your priories straight. ()
Date: March 22, 2019 12:13PM

Are we in this thread to yap about politics or are we here to laugh at Meade?

Unfortunately, 3/4 of the threads on FFXU is now politics. Must it infest the rest of them?
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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 22, 2019 03:12PM

knower of things Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> The partisan hackery is strong with this one. The
> most honest thing maddox ever said was when she
> admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while on
> live tv. There is a reason she works at msnbc,
> which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
>
> and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot. But
> the indoctrination that has been done by schools
> in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows that.
> 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At that
> time people considered themselves Virginians,
> Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect, first
> and foremost. They considered themselves Americans
> second or even third. That is why Lee, a West
> Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission and
> went home to Virginia. It was to defend him home,
> not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of the
> American civil war was what people thought of as
> home, after the war is when people started
> thinking they are Americans first, and Virginians
> second.
>
> Mass slavery was ending world wide at the time as
> well. It was going to happen here too, with or
> without a war. The industrial revolution had
> already happened, and affordable mechanical farm
> machinery was slowly becoming available. Physical
> labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of
> running a business.
>
> It should also be noted that slavery still exists
> today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read this,
> among other things >>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
>
> and I can't seem to find anything that says the
> U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us
> think. But that's expected when Europe forced
> African slaves on this continent 200 years before
> the Declaration of Independence was written.
I will skip your generalities, and deal with Lee.
A career army officer, Lee didn't have much wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from his mother. Lee married into one of the wealthiest slave-holding families in Virginia — the Custis family of Arlington and descendants of Martha Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died, Lee took leave from the U.S. Army to run the struggling estate and met resistance from slaves expecting to be freed. The slaves were indeed freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee decided to equivocate the wording, and Keep the slaves for himself. Lee's legal conclusion was eventually slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves were finally freed.

Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with his slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely beat slaves captured after trying to escape. One former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee was one of the meanest men she had ever met.

In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is "a moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote in the same letter that God would be the one responsible for emancipation and blacks were better off in the U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God, sir, you were such an ass.

Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over his hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent when it came to slavery, or those who were for abolishing it.

Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms against a country that educated him, without cost, through college. He plotted against his country over the right to own slaves, even rebuking the council of fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee recommended the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent them into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as a cruel man.

No military expert told Lee he could win in Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck. Recommendations to Lee were to give up Virginia, and follow the lessons learned from the Napolionic Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of the south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the deadliest military decision in this country's history, and battled and defended what he could never win. Several hundred thousands of lives were lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's decision to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!

Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a narcissist, and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee was not.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Rkkrr ()
Date: March 22, 2019 03:21PM

Meade you should become a comedic singer with ur politics but your specialty will be ventriloquist with FFXU characters.
Eesh doll
Moreno doll
That’s Sadler
Katie doll(with nice tits)
Lizzie
Tj
Cary
Gerry
GF2 with shit action
Votestrike

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Sounds about right ()
Date: March 22, 2019 04:09PM

Wordsmith Wrote:

> Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a narcissist,
> and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee was
> not.


That is why Lee appeals to that certain stereotype....
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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: partial facts are not facts ()
Date: March 22, 2019 05:09PM

Wordsmith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> knower of things Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The partisan hackery is strong with this one.
> The
> > most honest thing maddox ever said was when she
> > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while
> on
> > live tv. There is a reason she works at msnbc,
> > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> >
> > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot.
> But
> > the indoctrination that has been done by
> schools
> > in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows
> that.
> > 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At
> that
> > time people considered themselves Virginians,
> > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect, first
> > and foremost. They considered themselves
> Americans
> > second or even third. That is why Lee, a West
> > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission
> and
> > went home to Virginia. It was to defend him
> home,
> > not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of
> the
> > American civil war was what people thought of
> as
> > home, after the war is when people started
> > thinking they are Americans first, and
> Virginians
> > second.
> >
> > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the time
> as
> > well. It was going to happen here too, with or
> > without a war. The industrial revolution had
> > already happened, and affordable mechanical
> farm
> > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> Physical
> > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of
> > running a business.
> >
> > It should also be noted that slavery still
> exists
> > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read
> this,
> > among other things >>
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> >
> > and I can't seem to find anything that says the
> > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us
> > think. But that's expected when Europe forced
> > African slaves on this continent 200 years
> before
> > the Declaration of Independence was written.
> I will skip your generalities, and deal with Lee.
> A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from his
> mother. Lee married into one of the wealthiest
> slave-holding families in Virginia — the Custis
> family of Arlington and descendants of Martha
> Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died, Lee
> took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> struggling estate and met resistance from slaves
> expecting to be freed. The slaves were indeed
> freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee decided
> to equivocate the wording, and Keep the slaves for
> himself. Lee's legal conclusion was eventually
> slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves were
> finally freed.
>
> Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with his
> slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely
> beat slaves captured after trying to escape. One
> former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee was
> one of the meanest men she had ever met.
>
> In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is "a
> moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote in the
> same letter that God would be the one responsible
> for emancipation and blacks were better off in the
> U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God, sir,
> you were such an ass.
>
> Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over his
> hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent when
> it came to slavery, or those who were for
> abolishing it.
>
> Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms against a
> country that educated him, without cost, through
> college. He plotted against his country over the
> right to own slaves, even rebuking the council of
> fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee recommended
> the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent them
> into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as a
> cruel man.
>
> No military expert told Lee he could win in
> Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck.
> Recommendations to Lee were to give up Virginia,
> and follow the lessons learned from the Napolionic
> Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of the
> south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the
> deadliest military decision in this country's
> history, and battled and defended what he could
> never win. Several hundred thousands of lives were
> lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's decision
> to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!
>
> Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a narcissist,
> and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee was
> not.


You completely skipped over the mindset of the era that people were of their home state first and foremost, and country second. That is the ONLY reason Lee fought for the confederacy.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: 56utgr ()
Date: March 22, 2019 05:32PM


illegal aliens and foreigners target meade with suggestive suicide posts

they hope he'll do a mass suicide or at least kill himself. OR THEY'LL ARREST HIM FOR HATING, on the charge of what he said in response to the continual suggestions which a democrat judge will deny is "significant", that only the hate response is.

ONE MORE ROOM AVAILABLE FOR ASIAN OR HISPANIC OR BLACK with meade gone

so go ahead, g2, keep coaxing every thread to be suicide

and when i catch you g2, i'd rather hang you than deport you - just keep that in mind


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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Wordsmith ()
Date: March 22, 2019 05:44PM

partial facts are not facts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wordsmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > knower of things Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The partisan hackery is strong with this one.
> > The
> > > most honest thing maddox ever said was when
> she
> > > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while
> > on
> > > live tv. There is a reason she works at
> msnbc,
> > > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> > >
> > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot.
> > But
> > > the indoctrination that has been done by
> > schools
> > > in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows
> > that.
> > > 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At
> > that
> > > time people considered themselves Virginians,
> > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect,
> first
> > > and foremost. They considered themselves
> > Americans
> > > second or even third. That is why Lee, a West
> > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission
> > and
> > > went home to Virginia. It was to defend him
> > home,
> > > not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of
> > the
> > > American civil war was what people thought of
> > as
> > > home, after the war is when people started
> > > thinking they are Americans first, and
> > Virginians
> > > second.
> > >
> > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the
> time
> > as
> > > well. It was going to happen here too, with
> or
> > > without a war. The industrial revolution had
> > > already happened, and affordable mechanical
> > farm
> > > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> > Physical
> > > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of
> > > running a business.
> > >
> > > It should also be noted that slavery still
> > exists
> > > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read
> > this,
> > > among other things >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > and I can't seem to find anything that says
> the
> > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us
> > > think. But that's expected when Europe forced
> > > African slaves on this continent 200 years
> > before
> > > the Declaration of Independence was written.
> > I will skip your generalities, and deal with
> Lee.
> > A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from his
> > mother. Lee married into one of the wealthiest
> > slave-holding families in Virginia — the
> Custis
> > family of Arlington and descendants of Martha
> > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died, Lee
> > took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> > struggling estate and met resistance from
> slaves
> > expecting to be freed. The slaves were indeed
> > freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee
> decided
> > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the slaves
> for
> > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> eventually
> > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves
> were
> > finally freed.
> >
> > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with his
> > slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely
> > beat slaves captured after trying to escape.
> One
> > former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee was
> > one of the meanest men she had ever met.
> >
> > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is "a
> > moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote in
> the
> > same letter that God would be the one
> responsible
> > for emancipation and blacks were better off in
> the
> > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God,
> sir,
> > you were such an ass.
> >
> > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over
> his
> > hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent
> when
> > it came to slavery, or those who were for
> > abolishing it.
> >
> > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms against
> a
> > country that educated him, without cost,
> through
> > college. He plotted against his country over
> the
> > right to own slaves, even rebuking the council
> of
> > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee recommended
> > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent them
> > into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as a
> > cruel man.
> >
> > No military expert told Lee he could win in
> > Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck.
> > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> Virginia,
> > and follow the lessons learned from the
> Napolionic
> > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of the
> > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the
> > deadliest military decision in this country's
> > history, and battled and defended what he could
> > never win. Several hundred thousands of lives
> were
> > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> decision
> > to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!
> >
> > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> narcissist,
> > and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee
> was
> > not.
>
>
> You completely skipped over the mindset of the era
> that people were of their home state first and
> foremost, and country second. That is the ONLY
> reason Lee fought for the confederacy.



The ONLY reason. Perhaps you need to brush up on history.

I didn't skip over gis "love" for Virginia. That was one of his fuck ups. He should have ceded Virginia. The map clearly showed him he could not win Virginia. His advisors told him he could not win Virginia. Over 200,000 men and a few thousand preteen boys lost their lives fighting for what was unwinnable. Who cares if he was a Virginian first, it is not like aliens were taking Virginia away to another planet for good. Virginia never went away, and as proof, I sit in Virginia today.

If he loved Virginia so much, why did he never return? Because, perhaps, he loved the Virginia with slaves, not just Virginia?

Revisionist history on your part, making his "love" for his state into a plot for a Hallmark movie of the week. He armed 12 year old boys and sent them to war. That alone should make you sick to you stomach!

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: RVAsinger, himself ()
Date: March 22, 2019 06:28PM

Wordsmith Wrote:
----------------- He armed 12 year old boys
> and sent them to war. That alone should make you
> sick to you stomach!


Lee was just ahead of his time. 40 is the new 30 which means 18 is the new 12. We allow 18-year-olds to join the military so we are really allowing 12-year-olds to enlist.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: DIS-honest Abe. ()
Date: March 22, 2019 07:13PM

Wordsmith Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> knower of things Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The partisan hackery is strong with this one.
> The
> > most honest thing maddox ever said was when she
> > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while
> on
> > live tv. There is a reason she works at msnbc,
> > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> >
> > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot.
> But
> > the indoctrination that has been done by
> schools
> > in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows
> that.
> > 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At
> that
> > time people considered themselves Virginians,
> > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect, first
> > and foremost. They considered themselves
> Americans
> > second or even third. That is why Lee, a West
> > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission
> and
> > went home to Virginia. It was to defend him
> home,
> > not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of
> the
> > American civil war was what people thought of
> as
> > home, after the war is when people started
> > thinking they are Americans first, and
> Virginians
> > second.
> >
> > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the time
> as
> > well. It was going to happen here too, with or
> > without a war. The industrial revolution had
> > already happened, and affordable mechanical
> farm
> > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> Physical
> > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of
> > running a business.
> >
> > It should also be noted that slavery still
> exists
> > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read
> this,
> > among other things >>
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> >
> > and I can't seem to find anything that says the
> > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us
> > think. But that's expected when Europe forced
> > African slaves on this continent 200 years
> before
> > the Declaration of Independence was written.
> I will skip your generalities, and deal with Lee.
> A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from his
> mother. Lee married into one of the wealthiest
> slave-holding families in Virginia — the Custis
> family of Arlington and descendants of Martha
> Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died, Lee
> took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> struggling estate and met resistance from slaves
> expecting to be freed. The slaves were indeed
> freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee decided
> to equivocate the wording, and Keep the slaves for
> himself. Lee's legal conclusion was eventually
> slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves were
> finally freed.
>
> Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with his
> slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely
> beat slaves captured after trying to escape. One
> former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee was
> one of the meanest men she had ever met.
>
> In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is "a
> moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote in the
> same letter that God would be the one responsible
> for emancipation and blacks were better off in the
> U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God, sir,
> you were such an ass.
>
> Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over his
> hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent when
> it came to slavery, or those who were for
> abolishing it.
>
> Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms against a
> country that educated him, without cost, through
> college. He plotted against his country over the
> right to own slaves, even rebuking the council of
> fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee recommended
> the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent them
> into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as a
> cruel man.
>
> No military expert told Lee he could win in
> Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck.
> Recommendations to Lee were to give up Virginia,
> and follow the lessons learned from the Napolionic
> Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of the
> south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the
> deadliest military decision in this country's
> history, and battled and defended what he could
> never win. Several hundred thousands of lives were
> lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's decision
> to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!
>
> Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a narcissist,
> and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee was
> not.

Liberal lies. Lee was not a Saint, but he was not a tyrant either. He wasn't two faced like Lincoln. Lee loved his home state of Virginia and could not turn his back on his people. He defended Virginia from Federal terrorists. He was loved by both the North and South. After the war, he was the first white man to take communion with a Negro. And everyone else followed suit. He was a devout Christian and believed in God and country. He is one of the Greatest men who ever lived.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: March 22, 2019 07:16PM

A hater is still a fan.


/thread

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 22, 2019 07:50PM

DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Wordsmith Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > knower of things Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The partisan hackery is strong with this one.
> > The
> > > most honest thing maddox ever said was when
> she
> > > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator while
> > on
> > > live tv. There is a reason she works at
> msnbc,
> > > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> > >
> > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great patriot.
> > But
> > > the indoctrination that has been done by
> > schools
> > > in the last 25 years makes sure no one knows
> > that.
> > > 1861 was a very different time in the U.S. At
> > that
> > > time people considered themselves Virginians,
> > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect,
> first
> > > and foremost. They considered themselves
> > Americans
> > > second or even third. That is why Lee, a West
> > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army commission
> > and
> > > went home to Virginia. It was to defend him
> > home,
> > > not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome of
> > the
> > > American civil war was what people thought of
> > as
> > > home, after the war is when people started
> > > thinking they are Americans first, and
> > Virginians
> > > second.
> > >
> > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the
> time
> > as
> > > well. It was going to happen here too, with
> or
> > > without a war. The industrial revolution had
> > > already happened, and affordable mechanical
> > farm
> > > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> > Physical
> > > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost of
> > > running a business.
> > >
> > > It should also be noted that slavery still
> > exists
> > > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've read
> > this,
> > > among other things >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > and I can't seem to find anything that says
> the
> > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have us
> > > think. But that's expected when Europe forced
> > > African slaves on this continent 200 years
> > before
> > > the Declaration of Independence was written.
> > I will skip your generalities, and deal with
> Lee.
> > A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from his
> > mother. Lee married into one of the wealthiest
> > slave-holding families in Virginia — the
> Custis
> > family of Arlington and descendants of Martha
> > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died, Lee
> > took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> > struggling estate and met resistance from
> slaves
> > expecting to be freed. The slaves were indeed
> > freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee
> decided
> > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the slaves
> for
> > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> eventually
> > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves
> were
> > finally freed.
> >
> > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with his
> > slaves and encouraged his overseers to severely
> > beat slaves captured after trying to escape.
> One
> > former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee was
> > one of the meanest men she had ever met.
> >
> > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is "a
> > moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote in
> the
> > same letter that God would be the one
> responsible
> > for emancipation and blacks were better off in
> the
> > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God,
> sir,
> > you were such an ass.
> >
> > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over
> his
> > hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent
> when
> > it came to slavery, or those who were for
> > abolishing it.
> >
> > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms against
> a
> > country that educated him, without cost,
> through
> > college. He plotted against his country over
> the
> > right to own slaves, even rebuking the council
> of
> > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee recommended
> > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent them
> > into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as a
> > cruel man.
> >
> > No military expert told Lee he could win in
> > Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck.
> > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> Virginia,
> > and follow the lessons learned from the
> Napolionic
> > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of the
> > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the
> > deadliest military decision in this country's
> > history, and battled and defended what he could
> > never win. Several hundred thousands of lives
> were
> > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> decision
> > to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!
> >
> > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> narcissist,
> > and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot, Lee
> was
> > not.
>
> Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was not a Saint, [correct] but he was not
> a tyrant either. [According to a former slave of his he was one of the meanest men she ever met, an he directed whippings of slaves] He wasn't two faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking about?]
> Lee loved his home state of Virginia and could not
> turn his back on his people. [People or fellow slave holders? Remember Lee sent over 100,000 Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and die. Most slave holders were exempt from the draft.]He defended Virginia
> from Federal terrorists.[really, the United States of America was a terrorist organization, and remember, the Confederacy fired the first shot] He was loved by both the
> North and South.[says who?] After the war, he was the first
> white man to take communion with a Negro. [No, many White people took communion with Negros, and did Lee the slave owner take communion with Negros before the war?]
> everyone else followed suit. He was a devout
> Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed in God [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate, not his, a real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he took arms up against his country] He is
> one of the Greatest men who ever lived.[he sent 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn he is right up there in stature with Pol Pot].

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Lying Liberal Yankee ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:05PM

Johnnie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wordsmith Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > knower of things Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The partisan hackery is strong with this
> one.
> > > The
> > > > most honest thing maddox ever said was when
> > she
> > > > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator
> while
> > > on
> > > > live tv. There is a reason she works at
> > msnbc,
> > > > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> > > >
> > > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great
> patriot.
> > > But
> > > > the indoctrination that has been done by
> > > schools
> > > > in the last 25 years makes sure no one
> knows
> > > that.
> > > > 1861 was a very different time in the U.S.
> At
> > > that
> > > > time people considered themselves
> Virginians,
> > > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect,
> > first
> > > > and foremost. They considered themselves
> > > Americans
> > > > second or even third. That is why Lee, a
> West
> > > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army
> commission
> > > and
> > > > went home to Virginia. It was to defend him
> > > home,
> > > > not to defend slavery. The biggest outcome
> of
> > > the
> > > > American civil war was what people thought
> of
> > > as
> > > > home, after the war is when people started
> > > > thinking they are Americans first, and
> > > Virginians
> > > > second.
> > > >
> > > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the
> > time
> > > as
> > > > well. It was going to happen here too, with
> > or
> > > > without a war. The industrial revolution
> had
> > > > already happened, and affordable mechanical
> > > farm
> > > > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> > > Physical
> > > > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost
> of
> > > > running a business.
> > > >
> > > > It should also be noted that slavery still
> > > exists
> > > > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've
> read
> > > this,
> > > > among other things >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > and I can't seem to find anything that says
> > the
> > > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would have
> us
> > > > think. But that's expected when Europe
> forced
> > > > African slaves on this continent 200 years
> > > before
> > > > the Declaration of Independence was
> written.
> > > I will skip your generalities, and deal with
> > Lee.
> > > A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> > > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from
> his
> > > mother. Lee married into one of the
> wealthiest
> > > slave-holding families in Virginia — the
> > Custis
> > > family of Arlington and descendants of Martha
> > > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died,
> Lee
> > > took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> > > struggling estate and met resistance from
> > slaves
> > > expecting to be freed. The slaves were
> indeed
> > > freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee
> > decided
> > > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the
> slaves
> > for
> > > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> > eventually
> > > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's slaves
> > were
> > > finally freed.
> > >
> > > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with
> his
> > > slaves and encouraged his overseers to
> severely
> > > beat slaves captured after trying to escape.
> > One
> > > former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee
> was
> > > one of the meanest men she had ever met.
> > >
> > > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is
> "a
> > > moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote
> in
> > the
> > > same letter that God would be the one
> > responsible
> > > for emancipation and blacks were better off
> in
> > the
> > > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God,
> > sir,
> > > you were such an ass.
> > >
> > > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided over
> > his
> > > hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent
> > when
> > > it came to slavery, or those who were for
> > > abolishing it.
> > >
> > > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms
> against
> > a
> > > country that educated him, without cost,
> > through
> > > college. He plotted against his country over
> > the
> > > right to own slaves, even rebuking the
> council
> > of
> > > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee
> recommended
> > > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent
> them
> > > into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as
> a
> > > cruel man.
> > >
> > > No military expert told Lee he could win in
> > > Virginia, its location made it a sitting duck.
>
> > > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> > Virginia,
> > > and follow the lessons learned from the
> > Napolionic
> > > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of
> the
> > > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made the
> > > deadliest military decision in this country's
> > > history, and battled and defended what he
> could
> > > never win. Several hundred thousands of lives
> > were
> > > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> > decision
> > > to not give up his home. What a f'ing puttz!
>
> > >
> > > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> > narcissist,
> > > and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot,
> Lee
> > was
> > > not.
> >
> > Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was not a
> Saint, [correct] but he was not
> > a tyrant either. [According to a former slave of
> his he was one of the meanest men she ever met, an
> he directed whippings of slaves] He wasn't two
> faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking about?]
> > Lee loved his home state of Virginia and could
> not
> > turn his back on his people. [People or fellow
> slave holders? Remember Lee sent over 100,000
> Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and die.
> Most slave holders were exempt from the draft.]He
> defended Virginia
> > from Federal terrorists.[really, the United
> States of America was a terrorist organization,
> and remember, the Confederacy fired the first
> shot] He was loved by both the
> > North and South.[says who?] After the war, he
> was the first
> > white man to take communion with a Negro. [No,
> many White people took communion with Negros, and
> did Lee the slave owner take communion with Negros
> before the war?]
> > everyone else followed suit. He was a devout
> > Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed in God
> [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate, not his, a
> real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he took
> arms up against his country] He is
> > one of the Greatest men who ever lived.[he sent
> 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn he is
> right up there in stature with Pol Pot].

Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with Tryant Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all those other Big Government shills.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: I partied with Brett ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:12PM

Lee was not a tyrant?? He literally enslaved people who were legally free (freed by their rightful "owner" Lee's father in law). He even whipped them when they attempted to demonstrate their freedom. The courts had to order Lee to free them, so Lee was breaking the law, and others greatly suffered from his actions. Getting the picture?

If enslaving legally free people, disobeying the will of his father in law for his own financial benefit, and torturing people, is not tyrannical, what tenuous definition of a tyrant do you even acknowedge?

He went to church so he can't be a tyrant??? Seriously?

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: C'mon meade ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:14PM

Lying Liberal Yankee Wrote:

> Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with Tryant
> Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all those other
> Big Government shills.


Meade, your vitriolic anger has outed you again.

Why don't you go cash your welfare check and buy yourself some more useless trinkets for your stillborn 'professional music career' and blame everyone else for wasted Big Government spending?

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: I partied with Brett ()
Date: March 22, 2019 08:32PM

Lying Liberal Yankee Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Johnnie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > knower of things Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > The partisan hackery is strong with this
> > one.
> > > > The
> > > > > most honest thing maddox ever said was
> when
> > > she
> > > > > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator
> > while
> > > > on
> > > > > live tv. There is a reason she works at
> > > msnbc,
> > > > > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> > > > >
> > > > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great
> > patriot.
> > > > But
> > > > > the indoctrination that has been done by
> > > > schools
> > > > > in the last 25 years makes sure no one
> > knows
> > > > that.
> > > > > 1861 was a very different time in the
> U.S.
> > At
> > > > that
> > > > > time people considered themselves
> > Virginians,
> > > > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians, ect,
> > > first
> > > > > and foremost. They considered themselves
> > > > Americans
> > > > > second or even third. That is why Lee, a
> > West
> > > > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army
> > commission
> > > > and
> > > > > went home to Virginia. It was to defend
> him
> > > > home,
> > > > > not to defend slavery. The biggest
> outcome
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > American civil war was what people
> thought
> > of
> > > > as
> > > > > home, after the war is when people
> started
> > > > > thinking they are Americans first, and
> > > > Virginians
> > > > > second.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at the
> > > time
> > > > as
> > > > > well. It was going to happen here too,
> with
> > > or
> > > > > without a war. The industrial revolution
> > had
> > > > > already happened, and affordable
> mechanical
> > > > farm
> > > > > machinery was slowly becoming available.
> > > > Physical
> > > > > labor was, and still is, the biggest cost
> > of
> > > > > running a business.
> > > > >
> > > > > It should also be noted that slavery
> still
> > > > exists
> > > > > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've
> > read
> > > > this,
> > > > > among other things >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > and I can't seem to find anything that
> says
> > > the
> > > > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would
> have
> > us
> > > > > think. But that's expected when Europe
> > forced
> > > > > African slaves on this continent 200
> years
> > > > before
> > > > > the Declaration of Independence was
> > written.
> > > > I will skip your generalities, and deal
> with
> > > Lee.
> > > > A career army officer, Lee didn't have much
> > > > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves from
> > his
> > > > mother. Lee married into one of the
> > wealthiest
> > > > slave-holding families in Virginia — the
> > > Custis
> > > > family of Arlington and descendants of
> Martha
> > > > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law died,
> > Lee
> > > > took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> > > > struggling estate and met resistance from
> > > slaves
> > > > expecting to be freed. The slaves were
> > indeed
> > > > freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee
> > > decided
> > > > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the
> > slaves
> > > for
> > > > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> > > eventually
> > > > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's
> slaves
> > > were
> > > > finally freed.
> > > >
> > > > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure with
> > his
> > > > slaves and encouraged his overseers to
> > severely
> > > > beat slaves captured after trying to
> escape.
> > > One
> > > > former Lee slave told the New York Sun Lee
> > was
> > > > one of the meanest men she had ever met.
> > > >
> > > > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery is
> > "a
> > > > moral & political evil." But Lee also wrote
> > in
> > > the
> > > > same letter that God would be the one
> > > responsible
> > > > for emancipation and blacks were better off
> > in
> > > the
> > > > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to God,
> > > sir,
> > > > you were such an ass.
> > > >
> > > > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided
> over
> > > his
> > > > hanging. We can see Lee was not ambivalent
> > > when
> > > > it came to slavery, or those who were for
> > > > abolishing it.
> > > >
> > > > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms
> > against
> > > a
> > > > country that educated him, without cost,
> > > through
> > > > college. He plotted against his country
> over
> > > the
> > > > right to own slaves, even rebuking the
> > council
> > > of
> > > > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee
> > recommended
> > > > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and sent
> > them
> > > > into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee as
>
> > a
> > > > cruel man.
> > > >
> > > > No military expert told Lee he could win in
> > > > Virginia, its location made it a sitting
> duck.
> >
> > > > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> > > Virginia,
> > > > and follow the lessons learned from the
> > > Napolionic
> > > > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest of
> > the
> > > > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made
> the
> > > > deadliest military decision in this
> country's
> > > > history, and battled and defended what he
> > could
> > > > never win. Several hundred thousands of
> lives
> > > were
> > > > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> > > decision
> > > > to not give up his home. What a f'ing
> puttz!
> >
> > > >
> > > > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> > > narcissist,
> > > > and not a saint. John Brown was a Patriot,
> > Lee
> > > was
> > > > not.
> > >
> > > Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was not a
> > Saint, [correct] but he was not
> > > a tyrant either. [According to a former slave
> of
> > his he was one of the meanest men she ever met,
> an
> > he directed whippings of slaves] He wasn't two
> > faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking
> about?]
> > > Lee loved his home state of Virginia and
> could
> > not
> > > turn his back on his people. [People or
> fellow
> > slave holders? Remember Lee sent over 100,000
> > Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and die.
> > Most slave holders were exempt from the
> draft.]He
> > defended Virginia
> > > from Federal terrorists.[really, the United
> > States of America was a terrorist organization,
> > and remember, the Confederacy fired the first
> > shot] He was loved by both the
> > > North and South.[says who?] After the war, he
> > was the first
> > > white man to take communion with a Negro.
> [No,
> > many White people took communion with Negros,
> and
> > did Lee the slave owner take communion with
> Negros
> > before the war?]
> > > everyone else followed suit. He was a devout
> > > Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed in God
> > [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate, not his,
> a
> > real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he took
> > arms up against his country] He is
> > > one of the Greatest men who ever lived.[he
> sent
> > 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn he is
> > right up there in stature with Pol Pot].
>
> Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with Tryant
> Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all those other
> Big Government shills.

History is very clear, the causes of the Civil War were slavery, and the refusal of Southern slaveholders to compromise on slavery. Those factors launched the Civil War. In fact, the secession crisis of 1860-61 was the culmination of a decade-long movement led by ultra-radical pro-slavery “Fire-Eaters.” After decades of political compromise between the North and South, the election of Lincoln spurred an almost paranoid anxiety, spread by the Fire-Eaters about slavery’s dim future, the message angered slaveowners, leading to the feeling compromise was untenable,and war virtually unavoidable. The South began arming.

Do you have any additional scholarly information to add?

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: who needs to brush up? ()
Date: March 22, 2019 09:51PM

I partied with Brett Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lee was not a tyrant?? He literally enslaved
> people who were legally free (freed by their
> rightful "owner" Lee's father in law). He even
> whipped them when they attempted to demonstrate
> their freedom. The courts had to order Lee to
> free them, so Lee was breaking the law, and others
> greatly suffered from his actions. Getting the
> picture?
>
> If enslaving legally free people, disobeying the
> will of his father in law for his own financial
> benefit, and torturing people, is not tyrannical,
> what tenuous definition of a tyrant do you even
> acknowedge?
>
> He went to church so he can't be a tyrant???
> Seriously?

Odd though, even the highly anti American Wikipedia doesn't support your claims...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee

some would call that a clue

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:14PM

who needs to brush up? Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I partied with Brett Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lee was not a tyrant?? He literally enslaved
> > people who were legally free (freed by their
> > rightful "owner" Lee's father in law). He even
> > whipped them when they attempted to demonstrate
> > their freedom. The courts had to order Lee to
> > free them, so Lee was breaking the law, and
> others
> > greatly suffered from his actions. Getting the
> > picture?
> >
> > If enslaving legally free people, disobeying
> the
> > will of his father in law for his own financial
> > benefit, and torturing people, is not
> tyrannical,
> > what tenuous definition of a tyrant do you even
> > acknowedge?
> >
> > He went to church so he can't be a tyrant???
> > Seriously?
>
> Odd though, even the highly anti American
> Wikipedia doesn't support your claims...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_E._Lee
>
> some would call that a clue


Can you read? Look at the part on heavy casualties and his failed offensive. Also, this part

Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days.[61]

Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he was a tyrant!

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Good grammar ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:16PM

Never use the word "that" as a noun. Moron!

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: War of Northern Aggression ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:20PM

I partied with Brett Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lying Liberal Yankee Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Johnnie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > knower of things Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > The partisan hackery is strong with
> this
> > > one.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > most honest thing maddox ever said was
> > when
> > > > she
> > > > > > admitted she was sting on a "6 vibrator
> > > while
> > > > > on
> > > > > > live tv. There is a reason she works at
> > > > msnbc,
> > > > > > which has lower ratings than HGTV does.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great
> > > patriot.
> > > > > But
> > > > > > the indoctrination that has been done
> by
> > > > > schools
> > > > > > in the last 25 years makes sure no one
> > > knows
> > > > > that.
> > > > > > 1861 was a very different time in the
> > U.S.
> > > At
> > > > > that
> > > > > > time people considered themselves
> > > Virginians,
> > > > > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians,
> ect,
> > > > first
> > > > > > and foremost. They considered
> themselves
> > > > > Americans
> > > > > > second or even third. That is why Lee,
> a
> > > West
> > > > > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army
> > > commission
> > > > > and
> > > > > > went home to Virginia. It was to defend
> > him
> > > > > home,
> > > > > > not to defend slavery. The biggest
> > outcome
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > American civil war was what people
> > thought
> > > of
> > > > > as
> > > > > > home, after the war is when people
> > started
> > > > > > thinking they are Americans first, and
> > > > > Virginians
> > > > > > second.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at
> the
> > > > time
> > > > > as
> > > > > > well. It was going to happen here too,
> > with
> > > > or
> > > > > > without a war. The industrial
> revolution
> > > had
> > > > > > already happened, and affordable
> > mechanical
> > > > > farm
> > > > > > machinery was slowly becoming
> available.
> > > > > Physical
> > > > > > labor was, and still is, the biggest
> cost
> > > of
> > > > > > running a business.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It should also be noted that slavery
> > still
> > > > > exists
> > > > > > today, mostly in muslim country's. I've
> > > read
> > > > > this,
> > > > > > among other things >>
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > and I can't seem to find anything that
> > says
> > > > the
> > > > > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would
> > have
> > > us
> > > > > > think. But that's expected when Europe
> > > forced
> > > > > > African slaves on this continent 200
> > years
> > > > > before
> > > > > > the Declaration of Independence was
> > > written.
> > > > > I will skip your generalities, and deal
> > with
> > > > Lee.
> > > > > A career army officer, Lee didn't have
> much
> > > > > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves
> from
> > > his
> > > > > mother. Lee married into one of the
> > > wealthiest
> > > > > slave-holding families in Virginia —
> the
> > > > Custis
> > > > > family of Arlington and descendants of
> > Martha
> > > > > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law
> died,
> > > Lee
> > > > > took leave from the U.S. Army to run the
> > > > > struggling estate and met resistance from
> > > > slaves
> > > > > expecting to be freed. The slaves were
> > > indeed
> > > > > freed per Lee's father in law's will. Lee
> > > > decided
> > > > > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the
> > > slaves
> > > > for
> > > > > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> > > > eventually
> > > > > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's
> > slaves
> > > > were
> > > > > finally freed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure
> with
> > > his
> > > > > slaves and encouraged his overseers to
> > > severely
> > > > > beat slaves captured after trying to
> > escape.
> > > > One
> > > > > former Lee slave told the New York Sun
> Lee
> > > was
> > > > > one of the meanest men she had ever met.
> > > > >
> > > > > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that slavery
> is
> > > "a
> > > > > moral & political evil." But Lee also
> wrote
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > same letter that God would be the one
> > > > responsible
> > > > > for emancipation and blacks were better
> off
> > > in
> > > > the
> > > > > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to
> God,
> > > > sir,
> > > > > you were such an ass.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided
> > over
> > > > his
> > > > > hanging. We can see Lee was not
> ambivalent
> > > > when
> > > > > it came to slavery, or those who were for
> > > > > abolishing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms
> > > against
> > > > a
> > > > > country that educated him, without cost,
> > > > through
> > > > > college. He plotted against his country
> > over
> > > > the
> > > > > right to own slaves, even rebuking the
> > > council
> > > > of
> > > > > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee
> > > recommended
> > > > > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and
> sent
> > > them
> > > > > into battle. That fact alone depicts Lee
> as
> >
> > > a
> > > > > cruel man.
> > > > >
> > > > > No military expert told Lee he could win
> in
> > > > > Virginia, its location made it a sitting
> > duck.
> > >
> > > > > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> > > > Virginia,
> > > > > and follow the lessons learned from the
> > > > Napolionic
> > > > > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest
> of
> > > the
> > > > > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed, made
> > the
> > > > > deadliest military decision in this
> > country's
> > > > > history, and battled and defended what he
> > > could
> > > > > never win. Several hundred thousands of
> > lives
> > > > were
> > > > > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> > > > decision
> > > > > to not give up his home. What a f'ing
> > puttz!
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> > > > narcissist,
> > > > > and not a saint. John Brown was a
> Patriot,
> > > Lee
> > > > was
> > > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was not
> a
> > > Saint, [correct] but he was not
> > > > a tyrant either. [According to a former
> slave
> > of
> > > his he was one of the meanest men she ever
> met,
> > an
> > > he directed whippings of slaves] He wasn't
> two
> > > faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking
> > about?]
> > > > Lee loved his home state of Virginia and
> > could
> > > not
> > > > turn his back on his people. [People or
> > fellow
> > > slave holders? Remember Lee sent over 100,000
> > > Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and die.
>
> > > Most slave holders were exempt from the
> > draft.]He
> > > defended Virginia
> > > > from Federal terrorists.[really, the United
> > > States of America was a terrorist
> organization,
> > > and remember, the Confederacy fired the first
> > > shot] He was loved by both the
> > > > North and South.[says who?] After the war,
> he
> > > was the first
> > > > white man to take communion with a Negro.
> > [No,
> > > many White people took communion with Negros,
> > and
> > > did Lee the slave owner take communion with
> > Negros
> > > before the war?]
> > > > everyone else followed suit. He was a
> devout
> > > > Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed in
> God
> > > [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate, not
> his,
> > a
> > > real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he
> took
> > > arms up against his country] He is
> > > > one of the Greatest men who ever lived.[he
> > sent
> > > 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn he
> is
> > > right up there in stature with Pol Pot].
> >
> > Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with Tryant
> > Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all those
> other
> > Big Government shills.
>
> History is very clear, the causes of the Civil War
> were slavery, and the refusal of Southern
> slaveholders to compromise on slavery. Those
> factors launched the Civil War. In fact, the
> secession crisis of 1860-61 was the culmination of
> a decade-long movement led by ultra-radical
> pro-slavery “Fire-Eaters.” After decades of
> political compromise between the North and South,
> the election of Lincoln spurred an almost paranoid
> anxiety, spread by the Fire-Eaters about
> slavery’s dim future, the message angered
> slaveowners, leading to the feeling compromise was
> untenable,and war virtually unavoidable. The
> South began arming.
>
> Do you have any additional scholarly information
> to add?

It wasn't a Civil War. It was a war between the states. The South was invaded and sought independence. They fought for it. Slavery existed long before 1861. Also there were many FREED Negroes living in the South before the War.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:36PM

War of Northern Aggression Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I partied with Brett Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lying Liberal Yankee Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
> W
> > -----
> > > Johnnie Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > knower of things Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > The partisan hackery is strong with
> > this
> > > > one.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > most honest thing maddox ever said
> was
> > > when
> > > > > she
> > > > > > > admitted she was sting on a "6
> vibrator
> > > > while
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > live tv. There is a reason she works
> at
> > > > > msnbc,
> > > > > > > which has lower ratings than HGTV
> does.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great
> > > > patriot.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > the indoctrination that has been done
> > by
> > > > > > schools
> > > > > > > in the last 25 years makes sure no
> one
> > > > knows
> > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > 1861 was a very different time in the
> > > U.S.
> > > > At
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > time people considered themselves
> > > > Virginians,
> > > > > > > Marylanders, New Yorkers, Georgians,
> > ect,
> > > > > first
> > > > > > > and foremost. They considered
> > themselves
> > > > > > Americans
> > > > > > > second or even third. That is why
> Lee,
> > a
> > > > West
> > > > > > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army
> > > > commission
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > went home to Virginia. It was to
> defend
> > > him
> > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > not to defend slavery. The biggest
> > > outcome
> > > > of
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > American civil war was what people
> > > thought
> > > > of
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > home, after the war is when people
> > > started
> > > > > > > thinking they are Americans first,
> and
> > > > > > Virginians
> > > > > > > second.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mass slavery was ending world wide at
> > the
> > > > > time
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > well. It was going to happen here
> too,
> > > with
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > without a war. The industrial
> > revolution
> > > > had
> > > > > > > already happened, and affordable
> > > mechanical
> > > > > > farm
> > > > > > > machinery was slowly becoming
> > available.
> > > > > > Physical
> > > > > > > labor was, and still is, the biggest
> > cost
> > > > of
> > > > > > > running a business.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It should also be noted that slavery
> > > still
> > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > today, mostly in muslim country's.
> I've
> > > > read
> > > > > > this,
> > > > > > > among other things >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > and I can't seem to find anything
> that
> > > says
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals would
> > > have
> > > > us
> > > > > > > think. But that's expected when
> Europe
> > > > forced
> > > > > > > African slaves on this continent 200
> > > years
> > > > > > before
> > > > > > > the Declaration of Independence was
> > > > written.
> > > > > > I will skip your generalities, and deal
> > > with
> > > > > Lee.
> > > > > > A career army officer, Lee didn't have
> > much
> > > > > > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves
> > from
> > > > his
> > > > > > mother. Lee married into one of the
> > > > wealthiest
> > > > > > slave-holding families in Virginia —
> > the
> > > > > Custis
> > > > > > family of Arlington and descendants of
> > > Martha
> > > > > > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law
> > died,
> > > > Lee
> > > > > > took leave from the U.S. Army to run
> the
> > > > > > struggling estate and met resistance
> from
> > > > > slaves
> > > > > > expecting to be freed. The slaves were
> > > > indeed
> > > > > > freed per Lee's father in law's will.
> Lee
> > > > > decided
> > > > > > to equivocate the wording, and Keep the
> > > > slaves
> > > > > for
> > > > > > himself. Lee's legal conclusion was
> > > > > eventually
> > > > > > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's
> > > slaves
> > > > > were
> > > > > > finally freed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure
> > with
> > > > his
> > > > > > slaves and encouraged his overseers to
> > > > severely
> > > > > > beat slaves captured after trying to
> > > escape.
> > > > > One
> > > > > > former Lee slave told the New York Sun
> > Lee
> > > > was
> > > > > > one of the meanest men she had ever
> met.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that
> slavery
> > is
> > > > "a
> > > > > > moral & political evil." But Lee also
> > wrote
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > same letter that God would be the one
> > > > > responsible
> > > > > > for emancipation and blacks were better
> > off
> > > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck to
> > God,
> > > > > sir,
> > > > > > you were such an ass.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee rousted out John Brown and presided
> > > over
> > > > > his
> > > > > > hanging. We can see Lee was not
> > ambivalent
> > > > > when
> > > > > > it came to slavery, or those who were
> for
> > > > > > abolishing it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee was not a patriot. He took up arms
> > > > against
> > > > > a
> > > > > > country that educated him, without
> cost,
> > > > > through
> > > > > > college. He plotted against his
> country
> > > over
> > > > > the
> > > > > > right to own slaves, even rebuking the
> > > > council
> > > > > of
> > > > > > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee
> > > > recommended
> > > > > > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and
> > sent
> > > > them
> > > > > > into battle. That fact alone depicts
> Lee
> > as
> > >
> > > > a
> > > > > > cruel man.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No military expert told Lee he could
> win
> > in
> > > > > > Virginia, its location made it a
> sitting
> > > duck.
> > > >
> > > > > > Recommendations to Lee were to give up
> > > > > Virginia,
> > > > > > and follow the lessons learned from the
> > > > > Napolionic
> > > > > > Wars and force a stalemate for the rest
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed,
> made
> > > the
> > > > > > deadliest military decision in this
> > > country's
> > > > > > history, and battled and defended what
> he
> > > > could
> > > > > > never win. Several hundred thousands of
> > > lives
> > > > > were
> > > > > > lost in Virginia alone because of Lee's
> > > > > decision
> > > > > > to not give up his home. What a f'ing
> > > puttz!
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man, a
> > > > > narcissist,
> > > > > > and not a saint. John Brown was a
> > Patriot,
> > > > Lee
> > > > > was
> > > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was
> not
> > a
> > > > Saint, [correct] but he was not
> > > > > a tyrant either. [According to a former
> > slave
> > > of
> > > > his he was one of the meanest men she ever
> > met,
> > > an
> > > > he directed whippings of slaves] He wasn't
> > two
> > > > faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking
> > > about?]
> > > > > Lee loved his home state of Virginia and
> > > could
> > > > not
> > > > > turn his back on his people. [People or
> > > fellow
> > > > slave holders? Remember Lee sent over
> 100,000
> > > > Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and
> die.
> >
> > > > Most slave holders were exempt from the
> > > draft.]He
> > > > defended Virginia
> > > > > from Federal terrorists.[really, the
> United
> > > > States of America was a terrorist
> > organization,
> > > > and remember, the Confederacy fired the
> first
> > > > shot] He was loved by both the
> > > > > North and South.[says who?] After the
> war,
> > he
> > > > was the first
> > > > > white man to take communion with a Negro.
> > > [No,
> > > > many White people took communion with
> Negros,
> > > and
> > > > did Lee the slave owner take communion with
> > > Negros
> > > > before the war?]
> > > > > everyone else followed suit. He was a
> > devout
> > > > > Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed in
> > God
> > > > [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate, not
> > his,
> > > a
> > > > real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he
> > took
> > > > arms up against his country] He is
> > > > > one of the Greatest men who ever
> lived.[he
> > > sent
> > > > 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn
> he
> > is
> > > > right up there in stature with Pol Pot].
> > >
> > > Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with
> Tryant
> > > Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all those
> > other
> > > Big Government shills.
> >
> > History is very clear, the causes of the Civil
> War
> > were slavery, and the refusal of Southern
> > slaveholders to compromise on slavery. Those
> > factors launched the Civil War. In fact, the
> > secession crisis of 1860-61 was the culmination
> of
> > a decade-long movement led by ultra-radical
> > pro-slavery “Fire-Eaters.” After decades of
> > political compromise between the North and
> South,
> > the election of Lincoln spurred an almost
> paranoid
> > anxiety, spread by the Fire-Eaters about
> > slavery’s dim future, the message angered
> > slaveowners, leading to the feeling compromise
> was
> > untenable,and war virtually unavoidable. The
> > South began arming.
> >
> > Do you have any additional scholarly
> information
> > to add?
>
> It wasn't a Civil War. It was a war between the
> states. The South was invaded and sought
> independence. They fought for it. Slavery existed
> long before 1861. Also there were many FREED
> Negroes living in the South before the War.


Dope. The south fired the first shot, and drew up the Confederacy. No country on Earth recognized the Confederacy as a legitimate country.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Jonnie the right writer ()
Date: March 22, 2019 10:43PM

Johnnie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> War of Northern Aggression Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Lying Liberal Yankee Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > W
> > > -----
> > > > Johnnie Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > DIS-honest Abe. Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > Wordsmith Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > knower of things Wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > > The partisan hackery is strong with
> > > this
> > > > > one.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > most honest thing maddox ever said
> > was
> > > > when
> > > > > > she
> > > > > > > > admitted she was sting on a "6
> > vibrator
> > > > > while
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > live tv. There is a reason she
> works
> > at
> > > > > > msnbc,
> > > > > > > > which has lower ratings than HGTV
> > does.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and Robert E Lee was indeed a great
> > > > > patriot.
> > > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > the indoctrination that has been
> done
> > > by
> > > > > > > schools
> > > > > > > > in the last 25 years makes sure no
> > one
> > > > > knows
> > > > > > > that.
> > > > > > > > 1861 was a very different time in
> the
> > > > U.S.
> > > > > At
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > time people considered themselves
> > > > > Virginians,
> > > > > > > > Marylanders, New Yorkers,
> Georgians,
> > > ect,
> > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > and foremost. They considered
> > > themselves
> > > > > > > Americans
> > > > > > > > second or even third. That is why
> > Lee,
> > > a
> > > > > West
> > > > > > > > Point grad, resigned his U.S. army
> > > > > commission
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > went home to Virginia. It was to
> > defend
> > > > him
> > > > > > > home,
> > > > > > > > not to defend slavery. The biggest
> > > > outcome
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > American civil war was what people
> > > > thought
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > home, after the war is when people
> > > > started
> > > > > > > > thinking they are Americans first,
> > and
> > > > > > > Virginians
> > > > > > > > second.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mass slavery was ending world wide
> at
> > > the
> > > > > > time
> > > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > well. It was going to happen here
> > too,
> > > > with
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > without a war. The industrial
> > > revolution
> > > > > had
> > > > > > > > already happened, and affordable
> > > > mechanical
> > > > > > > farm
> > > > > > > > machinery was slowly becoming
> > > available.
> > > > > > > Physical
> > > > > > > > labor was, and still is, the
> biggest
> > > cost
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > running a business.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It should also be noted that
> slavery
> > > > still
> > > > > > > exists
> > > > > > > > today, mostly in muslim country's.
> > I've
> > > > > read
> > > > > > > this,
> > > > > > > > among other things >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade
>
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and I can't seem to find anything
> > that
> > > > says
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > U.S. caused slavery as liberals
> would
> > > > have
> > > > > us
> > > > > > > > think. But that's expected when
> > Europe
> > > > > forced
> > > > > > > > African slaves on this continent
> 200
> > > > years
> > > > > > > before
> > > > > > > > the Declaration of Independence was
> > > > > written.
> > > > > > > I will skip your generalities, and
> deal
> > > > with
> > > > > > Lee.
> > > > > > > A career army officer, Lee didn't
> have
> > > much
> > > > > > > wealth, but he inherited a few slaves
> > > from
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > mother. Lee married into one of the
> > > > > wealthiest
> > > > > > > slave-holding families in Virginia
> —
> > > the
> > > > > > Custis
> > > > > > > family of Arlington and descendants
> of
> > > > Martha
> > > > > > > Washington. When Lee's father-in-law
> > > died,
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > > > took leave from the U.S. Army to run
> > the
> > > > > > > struggling estate and met resistance
> > from
> > > > > > slaves
> > > > > > > expecting to be freed. The slaves
> were
> > > > > indeed
> > > > > > > freed per Lee's father in law's will.
> > Lee
> > > > > > decided
> > > > > > > to equivocate the wording, and Keep
> the
> > > > > slaves
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > himself. Lee's legal conclusion
> was
> > > > > > eventually
> > > > > > > slapped down in the courts, and Lee's
> > > > slaves
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > finally freed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Documents show Lee was a cruel figure
> > > with
> > > > > his
> > > > > > > slaves and encouraged his overseers
> to
> > > > > severely
> > > > > > > beat slaves captured after trying to
> > > > escape.
> > > > > > One
> > > > > > > former Lee slave told the New York Sun
>
> > > Lee
> > > > > was
> > > > > > > one of the meanest men she had ever
> > met.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In a 1856 letter, Lee wrote that
> > slavery
> > > is
> > > > > "a
> > > > > > > moral & political evil." But Lee also
> > > wrote
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same letter that God would be the one
> > > > > > responsible
> > > > > > > for emancipation and blacks were
> better
> > > off
> > > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > U.S. than Africa. Passing the buck
> to
> > > God,
> > > > > > sir,
> > > > > > > you were such an ass.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lee rousted out John Brown and
> presided
> > > > over
> > > > > > his
> > > > > > > hanging. We can see Lee was not
> > > ambivalent
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > it came to slavery, or those who were
> > for
> > > > > > > abolishing it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lee was not a patriot. He took up
> arms
> > > > > against
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > country that educated him, without
> > cost,
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > > college. He plotted against his
> > country
> > > > over
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > right to own slaves, even rebuking
> the
> > > > > council
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > fellow southerner Sam Houston. Lee
> > > > > recommended
> > > > > > > the drafting of 12 year old boys, and
> > > sent
> > > > > them
> > > > > > > into battle. That fact alone depicts
> > Lee
> > > as
> > > >
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > cruel man.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No military expert told Lee he could
> > win
> > > in
> > > > > > > Virginia, its location made it a
> > sitting
> > > > duck.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Recommendations to Lee were to give
> up
> > > > > > Virginia,
> > > > > > > and follow the lessons learned from
> the
> > > > > > Napolionic
> > > > > > > Wars and force a stalemate for the
> rest
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > south. Lee stubbornly disagreed,
> > made
> > > > the
> > > > > > > deadliest military decision in this
> > > > country's
> > > > > > > history, and battled and defended
> what
> > he
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > never win. Several hundred thousands
> of
> > > > lives
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > lost in Virginia alone because of
> Lee's
> > > > > > decision
> > > > > > > to not give up his home. What a
> f'ing
> > > > puttz!
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Lee was a cruel man, a stubborn man,
> a
> > > > > > narcissist,
> > > > > > > and not a saint. John Brown was a
> > > Patriot,
> > > > > Lee
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > > not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Liberal lies. All documented. Lee was
> > not
> > > a
> > > > > Saint, [correct] but he was not
> > > > > > a tyrant either. [According to a former
> > > slave
> > > > of
> > > > > his he was one of the meanest men she
> ever
> > > met,
> > > > an
> > > > > he directed whippings of slaves] He
> wasn't
> > > two
> > > > > faced like Lincoln.[what are you talking
> > > > about?]
> > > > > > Lee loved his home state of Virginia
> and
> > > > could
> > > > > not
> > > > > > turn his back on his people. [People or
> > > > fellow
> > > > > slave holders? Remember Lee sent over
> > 100,000
> > > > > Non-slave holding Virginians to fight and
> > die.
> > >
> > > > > Most slave holders were exempt from the
> > > > draft.]He
> > > > > defended Virginia
> > > > > > from Federal terrorists.[really, the
> > United
> > > > > States of America was a terrorist
> > > organization,
> > > > > and remember, the Confederacy fired the
> > first
> > > > > shot] He was loved by both the
> > > > > > North and South.[says who?] After the
> > war,
> > > he
> > > > > was the first
> > > > > > white man to take communion with a
> Negro.
> > > > [No,
> > > > > many White people took communion with
> > Negros,
> > > > and
> > > > > did Lee the slave owner take communion
> with
> > > > Negros
> > > > > before the war?]
> > > > > > everyone else followed suit. He was a
> > > devout
> > > > > > Christian[ add hypocrite] and believed
> in
> > > God
> > > > > [Wrote it was God's job to emancipate,
> not
> > > his,
> > > > a
> > > > > real schmendrik]and country.[remember, he
> > > took
> > > > > arms up against his country] He is
> > > > > > one of the Greatest men who ever
> > lived.[he
> > > > sent
> > > > > 12 year old boys to fight in a war. Damn
> > he
> > > is
> > > > > right up there in stature with Pol Pot].
> > > >
> > > > Nice try, Yankee lib. Burn in hell with
> > Tryant
> > > > Lincoln and Sherman, and Grant and all
> those
> > > other
> > > > Big Government shills.
> > >
> > > History is very clear, the causes of the
> Civil
> > War
> > > were slavery, and the refusal of Southern
> > > slaveholders to compromise on slavery. Those
> > > factors launched the Civil War. In fact, the
> > > secession crisis of 1860-61 was the
> culmination
> > of
> > > a decade-long movement led by ultra-radical
> > > pro-slavery “Fire-Eaters.” After decades
> of
> > > political compromise between the North and
> > South,
> > > the election of Lincoln spurred an almost
> > paranoid
> > > anxiety, spread by the Fire-Eaters about
> > > slavery’s dim future, the message angered
> > > slaveowners, leading to the feeling
> compromise
> > was
> > > untenable,and war virtually unavoidable. The
> > > South began arming.
> > >
> > > Do you have any additional scholarly
> > information
> > > to add?
> >
> > It wasn't a Civil War. It was a war between the
> > states. The South was invaded and sought
> > independence. They fought for it. Slavery
> existed
> > long before 1861. Also there were many FREED
> > Negroes living in the South before the War.
>
>
> Dope. The south fired the first shot, and drew up
> the Confederacy. No country on Earth recognized
> the Confederacy as a legitimate country.

We can’t answer this statement, like they literally drew it?
We can’t answer or respond it makes no sense.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: still needs learning ()
Date: March 22, 2019 11:02PM

> -----
> > I partied with Brett Wrote:
>
>
>
> Can you read? Look at the part on heavy casualties
> and his failed offensive. Also, this part
>
> Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition
> of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had
> broken up every family but one on the estate, some
> of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> days.[61]
>
> Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he was a
> tyrant!



You are aware this war was the turning point from the european style of lining up ranks and taking turns firing volleys at each other and the start of what is considered modern warfare? No? That was obvious. Let's compare casualties then. The north had 828,000+. The south had a few more at 864,000. That's not a big difference given the totals, and Lee's tactics are still studied at military academies today, in a good way. The south was also at a severe manpower disadvantage. Meaning by 1864 they were forcing people, like 12 year olds, to cary a musket and fight that they didn't even consider in 1861. Nothing like judging the past by today's standards. How very liberal of you. Why not tell everyone how well the freed blacks were treated in the north? Was life any better for them in NYC?

Then there's this...

"Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had broken up every family but one on the estate, some of whom had been together since Mount Vernon days."

Can you list how many slave owners kept family's together and how many split them up? I garuntee you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like knowing the subject before you spout off about a small part of it.

And since we are using modern standards, sundown towns were largely a northern construct and lasted well into the 20th century. Though they weren't quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were also a northern construct.

since you obviously have issues doing research...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown

I'm not defending slavery here, or racism of any kind. But it annoys the hell out me when liberals act like the U.S. is the sole reason for slavery on this continent. Slavery was brought to this continent by Europeans 200 years before independence was first discussed at the Green Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive in this world today, largely in muslim/islamic countries. Yet that seems to be the one religion that liberals won't ridicule. It's not because it's the one religion in this world that will slit your throat for doing so, is it? You people aren't skeered, are you?

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 23, 2019 10:04AM

still needs learning Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > -----
> > > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Can you read? Look at the part on heavy
> casualties
> > and his failed offensive. Also, this part
> >
> > Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> tradition
> > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had
> > broken up every family but one on the estate,
> some
> > of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> > days.[61]
> >
> > Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he was a
> > tyrant!
>
>
>
> You are aware this war was the turning point from
> the european style of lining up ranks and taking
> turns firing volleys at each other and the start
> of what is considered modern warfare? No? That was
> obvious. Let's compare casualties then. The north
> had 828,000+. The south had a few more at 864,000.
> That's not a big difference given the totals, and
> Lee's tactics are still studied at military
> academies today, in a good way. The south was also
> at a severe manpower disadvantage. Meaning by 1864
> they were forcing people, like 12 year olds, to
> cary a musket and fight that they didn't even
> consider in 1861. Nothing like judging the past by
> today's standards. How very liberal of you. Why
> not tell everyone how well the freed blacks were
> treated in the north? Was life any better for them
> in NYC?
>
> Then there's this...
>
> "Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis tradition
> of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had
> broken up every family but one on the estate, some
> of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> days."
>
> Can you list how many slave owners kept family's
> together and how many split them up? I garuntee
> you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like knowing the
> subject before you spout off about a small part of
> it.
>
> And since we are using modern standards, sundown
> towns were largely a northern construct and lasted
> well into the 20th century. Though they weren't
> quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were also a
> northern construct.
>
> since you obviously have issues doing research...
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown
>
> I'm not defending slavery here, or racism of any
> kind. But it annoys the hell out me when liberals
> act like the U.S. is the sole reason for slavery
> on this continent. Slavery was brought to this
> continent by Europeans 200 years before
> independence was first discussed at the Green
> Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive in this
> world today, largely in muslim/islamic countries.
> Yet that seems to be the one religion that
> liberals won't ridicule. It's not because it's the
> one religion in this world that will slit your
> throat for doing so, is it? You people aren't
> skeered, are you?

Seriously? Do you know the rules of debate and logic? Apparently not. The question was "was Robert E Lee a patriot or a tyrant?". Instead of making your point, you went from a specific question to a general thought,equivocating what your opponent "thinks," on slavery as a whole.You then parlayed that thought to 21st century slavery, avoiding the specific question on Lee, and thinking you are smart in the process.

You also made the fallacy error ad populem ( everyone does it or a lot of people did it, so it is not bad). Slavery family break up for financial gain is ok by saying others did it. That argument does not make family break ups correct, or minimize it's effects. Lee's actions displayed Lee's morals as below his inlaws. When he "inherited" the slaves there was a compact, where the families were kept in tact. For power, Lee separated them, treating them like cattle. Tyrannical, by George Washington standards.

Then you bring up Sundown laws and Levittowns, and Muslims, like those three things have any direct connections to Lee's thought process on slavery, Black's, and white supremacy. A red herring if there ever was one.

Learn logic and debate, please.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Ctd4ss ()
Date: March 23, 2019 10:12AM

Oh I dont know.. Maybe if you had not come on here and spammed yourself and made such a spectacle of yourself no one on here would not even know you existed. You made your bed..lie in it.

All the losers on here who are in the limelight did it to themselves.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 23, 2019 11:48AM

For the record, by 1864, Lee lost seven of his eight Civil War frontal assaults against the North. Lee just kept attacking. Battles where Lee damaged his army with overly aggressive tactics included the Seven Days’ (particularly Mechanicsville, Gaines’ Mill, and Malvern Hill), Second Manassas, Chantilly, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Gettysburg, Rappahannock Station, the Wilderness, and Fort Stedman.

Lee resorted to “desperate, stand-up, head-on battle” that resulted in great soldier losses. This fixation of head to head combat was Lee’s fatal flaw. It and Lee’s limited strategic vision cost the Confederacy the war. Elsewhere, it was apparent Lee never understood the revolution the Mini ball had brought to battle tactics. (Lee didn't understand or accept adaptation to technological change) This tendency to move to direct confrontation, even when he didn't need to, regardless of the prospects of huge losses, guaranteed Lee’s failure as an offensive commander.

In other words, Lee chose to directly confront and batle the North, instead of evading and ambushing, as Washington had done 80 years before. These face to face melee's resulted in heavy unsustainable casualties, leaving the South vulnerable to allow Sherman to flank from the right, and March to the sea with little resistance.

If Lee tried to understand the Minnie (minne') ball, he would have changed his tactics, he didn't, because he was stubborn, and he lost.

An all around military Genius he was, right up there with Custer and Rumsfeld!

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Major Meade Fan ()
Date: March 23, 2019 02:11PM

The only person who hates Meade is William Robert Moreno aka Mr. Misery or Miz. Miz hates Meade out of envy and jealousy. Ever since the Moreno Crime Family's former lawyer Karen Leiser came out in support of Meade, Miz has developed even more hatred for Meade.

But apart from Miz, most other people are sympathetic towards Meade or even admire his work. Meade is a man of great talent: he is Richmond's go-to costumed character wearer, he can hump a giant stuffed bunny like nobody's business, and many people of all ages/sexes swoon when he flexes his mighty man-boobs. Meade's live Internet performances are delivered with such emotion and are so entertaining that he often has to take down the best of them in order to prevent the Internet itself from crashing.

Meade rules. Meade is what makes Fairfax Underground great.
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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: whataduche ()
Date: March 23, 2019 04:02PM

Johnnie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> still needs learning Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > -----
> > > > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Can you read? Look at the part on heavy
> > casualties
> > > and his failed offensive. Also, this part
> > >
> > > Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > tradition
> > > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he
> had
> > > broken up every family but one on the estate,
> > some
> > > of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> > > days.[61]
> > >
> > > Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he was
> a
> > > tyrant!
> >
> >
> >
> > You are aware this war was the turning point
> from
> > the european style of lining up ranks and
> taking
> > turns firing volleys at each other and the
> start
> > of what is considered modern warfare? No? That
> was
> > obvious. Let's compare casualties then. The
> north
> > had 828,000+. The south had a few more at
> 864,000.
> > That's not a big difference given the totals,
> and
> > Lee's tactics are still studied at military
> > academies today, in a good way. The south was
> also
> > at a severe manpower disadvantage. Meaning by
> 1864
> > they were forcing people, like 12 year olds, to
> > cary a musket and fight that they didn't even
> > consider in 1861. Nothing like judging the past
> by
> > today's standards. How very liberal of you. Why
> > not tell everyone how well the freed blacks
> were
> > treated in the north? Was life any better for
> them
> > in NYC?
> >
> > Then there's this...
> >
> > "Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> tradition
> > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he had
> > broken up every family but one on the estate,
> some
> > of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> > days."
> >
> > Can you list how many slave owners kept
> family's
> > together and how many split them up? I garuntee
> > you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like knowing
> the
> > subject before you spout off about a small part
> of
> > it.
> >
> > And since we are using modern standards,
> sundown
> > towns were largely a northern construct and
> lasted
> > well into the 20th century. Though they weren't
> > quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were also a
> > northern construct.
> >
> > since you obviously have issues doing
> research...
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown
> >
> > I'm not defending slavery here, or racism of
> any
> > kind. But it annoys the hell out me when
> liberals
> > act like the U.S. is the sole reason for
> slavery
> > on this continent. Slavery was brought to this
> > continent by Europeans 200 years before
> > independence was first discussed at the Green
> > Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive in
> this
> > world today, largely in muslim/islamic
> countries.
> > Yet that seems to be the one religion that
> > liberals won't ridicule. It's not because it's
> the
> > one religion in this world that will slit your
> > throat for doing so, is it? You people aren't
> > skeered, are you?
>
> Seriously? Do you know the rules of debate and
> logic? Apparently not. The question was "was
> Robert E Lee a patriot or a tyrant?". Instead of
> making your point, you went from a specific
> question to a general thought,equivocating what
> your opponent "thinks," on slavery as a whole.You
> then parlayed that thought to 21st century
> slavery, avoiding the specific question on Lee,
> and thinking you are smart in the process.
>
> You also made the fallacy error ad populem (
> everyone does it or a lot of people did it, so it
> is not bad). Slavery family break up for financial
> gain is ok by saying others did it. That argument
> does not make family break ups correct, or
> minimize it's effects. Lee's actions displayed
> Lee's morals as below his inlaws. When he
> "inherited" the slaves there was a compact, where
> the families were kept in tact. For power, Lee
> separated them, treating them like cattle.
> Tyrannical, by George Washington standards.
>
> Then you bring up Sundown laws and Levittowns, and
> Muslims, like those three things have any direct
> connections to Lee's thought process on slavery,
> Black's, and white supremacy. A red herring if
> there ever was one.
>
> Learn logic and debate, please.

This from the libtard that compares what people found acceptable 150 years ago to today and draws a direct correlation between the two.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Johnnie ()
Date: March 24, 2019 10:14AM

whataduche Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Johnnie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > still needs learning Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > > -----
> > > > > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Can you read? Look at the part on heavy
> > > casualties
> > > > and his failed offensive. Also, this part
> > > >
> > > > Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > > tradition
> > > > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he
> > had
> > > > broken up every family but one on the
> estate,
> > > some
> > > > of whom had been together since Mount
> Vernon
> > > > days.[61]
> > > >
> > > > Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he
> was
> > a
> > > > tyrant!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > You are aware this war was the turning point
> > from
> > > the european style of lining up ranks and
> > taking
> > > turns firing volleys at each other and the
> > start
> > > of what is considered modern warfare? No?
> That
> > was
> > > obvious. Let's compare casualties then. The
> > north
> > > had 828,000+. The south had a few more at
> > 864,000.
> > > That's not a big difference given the totals,
> > and
> > > Lee's tactics are still studied at military
> > > academies today, in a good way. The south was
> > also
> > > at a severe manpower disadvantage. Meaning by
> > 1864
> > > they were forcing people, like 12 year olds,
> to
> > > cary a musket and fight that they didn't even
> > > consider in 1861. Nothing like judging the
> past
> > by
> > > today's standards. How very liberal of you.
> Why
> > > not tell everyone how well the freed blacks
> > were
> > > treated in the north? Was life any better for
> > them
> > > in NYC?
> > >
> > > Then there's this...
> > >
> > > "Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > tradition
> > > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he
> had
> > > broken up every family but one on the estate,
> > some
> > > of whom had been together since Mount Vernon
> > > days."
> > >
> > > Can you list how many slave owners kept
> > family's
> > > together and how many split them up? I
> garuntee
> > > you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like knowing
> > the
> > > subject before you spout off about a small
> part
> > of
> > > it.
> > >
> > > And since we are using modern standards,
> > sundown
> > > towns were largely a northern construct and
> > lasted
> > > well into the 20th century. Though they
> weren't
> > > quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were also
> a
> > > northern construct.
> > >
> > > since you obviously have issues doing
> > research...
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown
> > >
> > > I'm not defending slavery here, or racism of
> > any
> > > kind. But it annoys the hell out me when
> > liberals
> > > act like the U.S. is the sole reason for
> > slavery
> > > on this continent. Slavery was brought to
> this
> > > continent by Europeans 200 years before
> > > independence was first discussed at the Green
> > > Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive in
> > this
> > > world today, largely in muslim/islamic
> > countries.
> > > Yet that seems to be the one religion that
> > > liberals won't ridicule. It's not because
> it's
> > the
> > > one religion in this world that will slit
> your
> > > throat for doing so, is it? You people aren't
> > > skeered, are you?
> >
> > Seriously? Do you know the rules of debate and
> > logic? Apparently not. The question was "was
> > Robert E Lee a patriot or a tyrant?". Instead
> of
> > making your point, you went from a specific
> > question to a general thought,equivocating what
> > your opponent "thinks," on slavery as a
> whole.You
> > then parlayed that thought to 21st century
> > slavery, avoiding the specific question on Lee,
> > and thinking you are smart in the process.
> >
> > You also made the fallacy error ad populem (
> > everyone does it or a lot of people did it, so
> it
> > is not bad). Slavery family break up for
> financial
> > gain is ok by saying others did it. That
> argument
> > does not make family break ups correct, or
> > minimize it's effects. Lee's actions displayed
> > Lee's morals as below his inlaws. When he
> > "inherited" the slaves there was a compact,
> where
> > the families were kept in tact. For power, Lee
> > separated them, treating them like cattle.
> > Tyrannical, by George Washington standards.
> >
> > Then you bring up Sundown laws and Levittowns,
> and
> > Muslims, like those three things have any
> direct
> > connections to Lee's thought process on
> slavery,
> > Black's, and white supremacy. A red herring if
> > there ever was one.
> >
> > Learn logic and debate, please.
>
> This from the libtard that compares what people
> found acceptable 150 years ago to today and draws
> a direct correlation between the two.

George and Martha's descedents kept slave families in tact. Lee went against that moral decision.
Lee's father in law freed his slaves in his will. Lee went against his wishes in order to enrich himself

With the industrial revolution the production and manager class learned to adapt to the new ways and enrich an entire class of people. Lee missed that lesson at lost the war.


Those decisions Lee made were not smart or moral in Lee's day.

Also, there were plenty of people in Lee's day, including Lee, who said slavery was wrong. Lee wanted God to emancipate.


In 99% of the cases, never use the words "this" or "that" in a sentence without a noun following.


And stop calling people names and labeling them. That practice compounds the fact you are uneducated, by university or self taught.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Meade ruins everything ()
Date: March 24, 2019 03:56PM

Johnnie Wrote:

> And stop calling people names and labeling them.
> That practice compounds the fact you are
> uneducated, by university or self taught.


There is a 90% chance that the person you are sparring with is Meade himself. In the past, Meade He used similar talking points trying to spread his revisionist understanding of Robert E. Lee.

Keep that in mind if you decide to continue the discussion.

A rational argument won't convince an irrational person.

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Union Beasts ()
Date: March 24, 2019 04:20PM

Johnnie Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> whataduche Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Johnnie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > still needs learning Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > > -----
> > > > > > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you read? Look at the part on heavy
> > > > casualties
> > > > > and his failed offensive. Also, this part
> > > > >
> > > > > Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > > > tradition
> > > > > of respecting slave families and by 1860
> he
> > > had
> > > > > broken up every family but one on the
> > estate,
> > > > some
> > > > > of whom had been together since Mount
> > Vernon
> > > > > days.[61]
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof he
> > was
> > > a
> > > > > tyrant!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You are aware this war was the turning
> point
> > > from
> > > > the european style of lining up ranks and
> > > taking
> > > > turns firing volleys at each other and the
> > > start
> > > > of what is considered modern warfare? No?
> > That
> > > was
> > > > obvious. Let's compare casualties then. The
> > > north
> > > > had 828,000+. The south had a few more at
> > > 864,000.
> > > > That's not a big difference given the
> totals,
> > > and
> > > > Lee's tactics are still studied at military
> > > > academies today, in a good way. The south
> was
> > > also
> > > > at a severe manpower disadvantage. Meaning
> by
> > > 1864
> > > > they were forcing people, like 12 year
> olds,
> > to
> > > > cary a musket and fight that they didn't
> even
> > > > consider in 1861. Nothing like judging the
> > past
> > > by
> > > > today's standards. How very liberal of you.
> > Why
> > > > not tell everyone how well the freed blacks
> > > were
> > > > treated in the north? Was life any better
> for
> > > them
> > > > in NYC?
> > > >
> > > > Then there's this...
> > > >
> > > > "Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > > tradition
> > > > of respecting slave families and by 1860 he
> > had
> > > > broken up every family but one on the
> estate,
> > > some
> > > > of whom had been together since Mount
> Vernon
> > > > days."
> > > >
> > > > Can you list how many slave owners kept
> > > family's
> > > > together and how many split them up? I
> > garuntee
> > > > you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like
> knowing
> > > the
> > > > subject before you spout off about a small
> > part
> > > of
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > And since we are using modern standards,
> > > sundown
> > > > towns were largely a northern construct and
> > > lasted
> > > > well into the 20th century. Though they
> > weren't
> > > > quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were
> also
> > a
> > > > northern construct.
> > > >
> > > > since you obviously have issues doing
> > > research...
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
> > > >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown
> > > >
> > > > I'm not defending slavery here, or racism
> of
> > > any
> > > > kind. But it annoys the hell out me when
> > > liberals
> > > > act like the U.S. is the sole reason for
> > > slavery
> > > > on this continent. Slavery was brought to
> > this
> > > > continent by Europeans 200 years before
> > > > independence was first discussed at the
> Green
> > > > Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive in
> > > this
> > > > world today, largely in muslim/islamic
> > > countries.
> > > > Yet that seems to be the one religion that
> > > > liberals won't ridicule. It's not because
> > it's
> > > the
> > > > one religion in this world that will slit
> > your
> > > > throat for doing so, is it? You people
> aren't
> > > > skeered, are you?
> > >
> > > Seriously? Do you know the rules of debate
> and
> > > logic? Apparently not. The question was
> "was
> > > Robert E Lee a patriot or a tyrant?". Instead
> > of
> > > making your point, you went from a specific
> > > question to a general thought,equivocating
> what
> > > your opponent "thinks," on slavery as a
> > whole.You
> > > then parlayed that thought to 21st century
> > > slavery, avoiding the specific question on
> Lee,
> > > and thinking you are smart in the process.
> > >
> > > You also made the fallacy error ad populem (
> > > everyone does it or a lot of people did it,
> so
> > it
> > > is not bad). Slavery family break up for
> > financial
> > > gain is ok by saying others did it. That
> > argument
> > > does not make family break ups correct, or
> > > minimize it's effects. Lee's actions
> displayed
> > > Lee's morals as below his inlaws. When he
> > > "inherited" the slaves there was a compact,
> > where
> > > the families were kept in tact. For power,
> Lee
> > > separated them, treating them like cattle.
> > > Tyrannical, by George Washington standards.
> > >
> > > Then you bring up Sundown laws and
> Levittowns,
> > and
> > > Muslims, like those three things have any
> > direct
> > > connections to Lee's thought process on
> > slavery,
> > > Black's, and white supremacy. A red herring
> if
> > > there ever was one.
> > >
> > > Learn logic and debate, please.
> >
> > This from the libtard that compares what people
> > found acceptable 150 years ago to today and
> draws
> > a direct correlation between the two.
>
> George and Martha's descedents kept slave families
> in tact. Lee went against that moral decision.
> Lee's father in law freed his slaves in his will.
> Lee went against his wishes in order to enrich
> himself
>
> With the industrial revolution the production and
> manager class learned to adapt to the new ways and
> enrich an entire class of people. Lee missed that
> lesson at lost the war.
>
>
> Those decisions Lee made were not smart or moral
> in Lee's day.
>
> Also, there were plenty of people in Lee's day,
> including Lee, who said slavery was wrong. Lee
> wanted God to emancipate.
>
>
> In 99% of the cases, never use the words "this" or
> "that" in a sentence without a noun following.
>
>
> And stop calling people names and labeling them.
> That practice compounds the fact you are
> uneducated, by university or self taught.


Robert E. Lee became a born again Christian in mid life. He also freed his slaves in 1862. Meanwhile, General Grant kept his. Any "revisionist" history has to do with movies like "Lincoln" and "Glory".

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Re: Why do people hate me so?
Posted by: Hist ()
Date: March 25, 2019 10:03AM

Union Beasts Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Johnnie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > whataduche Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Johnnie Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > still needs learning Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > I partied with Brett Wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can you read? Look at the part on heavy
> > > > > casualties
> > > > > > and his failed offensive. Also, this
> part
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > > > > tradition
> > > > > > of respecting slave families and by
> 1860
> > he
> > > > had
> > > > > > broken up every family but one on the
> > > estate,
> > > > > some
> > > > > > of whom had been together since Mount
> > > Vernon
> > > > > > days.[61]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, loved by all, Not! Further proof
> he
> > > was
> > > > a
> > > > > > tyrant!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > You are aware this war was the turning
> > point
> > > > from
> > > > > the european style of lining up ranks and
> > > > taking
> > > > > turns firing volleys at each other and
> the
> > > > start
> > > > > of what is considered modern warfare? No?
> > > That
> > > > was
> > > > > obvious. Let's compare casualties then.
> The
> > > > north
> > > > > had 828,000+. The south had a few more at
> > > > 864,000.
> > > > > That's not a big difference given the
> > totals,
> > > > and
> > > > > Lee's tactics are still studied at
> military
> > > > > academies today, in a good way. The south
> > was
> > > > also
> > > > > at a severe manpower disadvantage.
> Meaning
> > by
> > > > 1864
> > > > > they were forcing people, like 12 year
> > olds,
> > > to
> > > > > cary a musket and fight that they didn't
> > even
> > > > > consider in 1861. Nothing like judging
> the
> > > past
> > > > by
> > > > > today's standards. How very liberal of
> you.
> > > Why
> > > > > not tell everyone how well the freed
> blacks
> > > > were
> > > > > treated in the north? Was life any better
> > for
> > > > them
> > > > > in NYC?
> > > > >
> > > > > Then there's this...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Lee ruptured the Washington and Custis
> > > > tradition
> > > > > of respecting slave families and by 1860
> he
> > > had
> > > > > broken up every family but one on the
> > estate,
> > > > some
> > > > > of whom had been together since Mount
> > Vernon
> > > > > days."
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you list how many slave owners kept
> > > > family's
> > > > > together and how many split them up? I
> > > garuntee
> > > > > you, you'd be surprised. Nothing like
> > knowing
> > > > the
> > > > > subject before you spout off about a
> small
> > > part
> > > > of
> > > > > it.
> > > > >
> > > > > And since we are using modern standards,
> > > > sundown
> > > > > towns were largely a northern construct
> and
> > > > lasted
> > > > > well into the 20th century. Though they
> > > weren't
> > > > > quite as bad as Levetttowns, which were
> > also
> > > a
> > > > > northern construct.
> > > > >
> > > > > since you obviously have issues doing
> > > > research...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sundown_town
> > > > >
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levittown
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not defending slavery here, or racism
> > of
> > > > any
> > > > > kind. But it annoys the hell out me when
> > > > liberals
> > > > > act like the U.S. is the sole reason for
> > > > slavery
> > > > > on this continent. Slavery was brought to
> > > this
> > > > > continent by Europeans 200 years before
> > > > > independence was first discussed at the
> > Green
> > > > > Dragon. Slavery is still very well alive
> in
> > > > this
> > > > > world today, largely in muslim/islamic
> > > > countries.
> > > > > Yet that seems to be the one religion
> that
> > > > > liberals won't ridicule. It's not because
> > > it's
> > > > the
> > > > > one religion in this world that will slit
> > > your
> > > > > throat for doing so, is it? You people
> > aren't
> > > > > skeered, are you?
> > > >
> > > > Seriously? Do you know the rules of debate
> > and
> > > > logic? Apparently not. The question was
> > "was
> > > > Robert E Lee a patriot or a tyrant?".
> Instead
> > > of
> > > > making your point, you went from a specific
> > > > question to a general thought,equivocating
> > what
> > > > your opponent "thinks," on slavery as a
> > > whole.You
> > > > then parlayed that thought to 21st century
> > > > slavery, avoiding the specific question on
> > Lee,
> > > > and thinking you are smart in the process.
> > > >
> > > > You also made the fallacy error ad populem
> (
> > > > everyone does it or a lot of people did it,
> > so
> > > it
> > > > is not bad). Slavery family break up for
> > > financial
> > > > gain is ok by saying others did it. That
> > > argument
> > > > does not make family break ups correct, or
> > > > minimize it's effects. Lee's actions
> > displayed
> > > > Lee's morals as below his inlaws. When he
> > > > "inherited" the slaves there was a compact,
> > > where
> > > > the families were kept in tact. For power,
> > Lee
> > > > separated them, treating them like cattle.
> > > > Tyrannical, by George Washington standards.
> > > >
> > > > Then you bring up Sundown laws and
> > Levittowns,
> > > and
> > > > Muslims, like those three things have any
> > > direct
> > > > connections to Lee's thought process on
> > > slavery,
> > > > Black's, and white supremacy. A red
> herring
> > if
> > > > there ever was one.
> > > >
> > > > Learn logic and debate, please.
> > >
> > > This from the libtard that compares what
> people
> > > found acceptable 150 years ago to today and
> > draws
> > > a direct correlation between the two.
> >
> > George and Martha's descedents kept slave
> families
> > in tact. Lee went against that moral decision.
> > Lee's father in law freed his slaves in his
> will.
> > Lee went against his wishes in order to enrich
> > himself
> >
> > With the industrial revolution the production
> and
> > manager class learned to adapt to the new ways
> and
> > enrich an entire class of people. Lee missed
> that
> > lesson at lost the war.
> >
> >
> > Those decisions Lee made were not smart or
> moral
> > in Lee's day.
> >
> > Also, there were plenty of people in Lee's day,
> > including Lee, who said slavery was wrong. Lee
> > wanted God to emancipate.
> >
> >
> > In 99% of the cases, never use the words "this"
> or
> > "that" in a sentence without a noun following.
>
> >
> >
> > And stop calling people names and labeling them.
>
> > That practice compounds the fact you are
> > uneducated, by university or self taught.
>
>
> Robert E. Lee became a born again Christian in mid
> life. He also freed his slaves in 1862. Meanwhile,
> General Grant kept his. Any "revisionist" history
> has to do with movies like "Lincoln" and "Glory".


Get your facts straight. Lee freed his slaves because the courts order him to. Grant's wife Julia had control of four slaves during the war, given to her by her father. It was unclear if she had legal right to own them, and members of her family were involved in legal disputes over who really were the rightful owners. All would be freed by the Emancipation Proclamation of 1863 (she chose to free them at that time even though the proclamation did not apply to her state of Missouri). Grant is known to have personally owned one slave, William Jones, from 1857 to 1859, but owned no slaves at the time of the war.

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