2 parts...

how is abortion loving babies ?

should the womb be a safe space for unborn babies ?

npc programming usually goes into batshit crazy denial at this point

How is a baby part of a woman's body?

Last I checked you have five judges on the supreme court, the White House, the Senate and the House. Its your fault now. But none of you scumbags have any principles.

Lib here:

1) No, it is not loving a baby

2) Yes, it should be.

Abortion should still be legal. Giving the government the power to tell women what they can and cannot do with their bodies is communist.

It would be like the government telling the OP he could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It might make the country a better place. But it would be government overrreach.

seeker of truth Wrote:
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> 2 parts...
>
> how is abortion loving babies ?
>
> should the womb be a safe space for unborn babies
> ?
>
> npc programming usually goes into batshit crazy
> denial at this point

I need some information from you before I can answer
Based on science when is a fetus a person?
Traditionally when do people celebrate their first year of life?

You can't stop abortion. You can only make it unsafe and throw women in prison.

Need more info Wrote:
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> seeker of truth Wrote:
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> -----
> > 2 parts...
> >
> > how is abortion loving babies ?
> >
> > should the womb be a safe space for unborn
> babies
> > ?
> >
> > npc programming usually goes into batshit crazy
> > denial at this point
>
> I need some information from you before I can
> answer
> Based on science when is a fetus a person?
> Traditionally when do people celebrate their first
> year of life?


kill the unwanted in the womb, sounds like a good nazi/communist

Well what the fuck is stopping you? You control all branches of government bitch? Why are you still complaining?

You want more power? To do what? You have all the power you need.

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> Lib here:
>
> 1) No, it is not loving a baby
>
> 2) Yes, it should be.
>
> Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> government the power to tell women what they can
> and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
>
> It would be like the government telling the OP he
> could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It
> might make the country a better place. But it
> would be government overrreach.


Thanks, excellent answers. former progressive liberal here.


I was at that same state for years before the full force of truth in your first 2 answers finally opened my eyes to the falsity of the final answer

abortions for life of mother or rape are very rare...90% of time it is due to embarrassment or much less it is inconvenient

abortion is fatal slut shaming, but don't expect feminists to point that out

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Well what the fuck is stopping you? You control
> all branches of government bitch? Why are you
> still complaining?


npc unsafe space mode...do you ever have an original thought ?


how can you claim to support black people but you want all black babies killed ?

not an ounce of logic, self awareness i anything you say

You're a piece of shit. You don't care about abortion just like you don't care about the debt. You just have no remaining reason for existence as a party. So you fallback on a decades old wedge issue like the sorry sack of shit you are.

But people that actually do care about this issue can see now that the Republican party has lied to them all these years. They're just fascists elitists that used this issue to fool people.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You're a piece of shit. You don't care about
> abortion just like you don't care about the debt.
> You just have no remaining reason for existence as
> a party. So you fallback on a decades old wedge
> issue like the sorry sack of shit you are.
>
> But people that actually do care about this issue
> can see now that the Republican party has lied to
> them all these years. They're just fascists
> elitists that used this issue to fool people.

believing lies about abortion took 2 children from me
it will haunt me forever

hope your common sense kicks in some day to kill your brainwashing because you are more hateful than anything you imagine on the other point of view at this point in your too short life

I think you got bamboozled. I don't see the so called anti abortionists on the right lobbying for a supreme court reversal of roe v. wade. I thought you hypocrites have been waiting for decades for this moment. You're a fraud. In every sense of the word.

Its why you nominated an orange adulterer with whores coming out of his ears for president. There isn't a principled bone in your bodies. We know that now. Save the bullshit.

seeker of truth Wrote:
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> 2 parts...
>
> how is abortion loving babies ?
>
> should the womb be a safe space for unborn babies
> ?
>
> npc programming usually goes into batshit crazy
> denial at this point

One of the greatest dangers for fetuses is of course alcohol during the first trimester. A woman might not even know she is pregnant and can injure for life her fetus by binge drinking. If The Government is in the business of protecting all fetuses we must ban drinking for any woman who is of child-bearing age and drinks.

Of course abortion should be illegal Only the Government can protect zygotes and fetuses. A woman should not be in control of her body and/or fetus period (pun intended). Lets all get behind Government forced pregnancy and regulation of how women care for the rights of the fetus - no harmful behavior should be legal. Pregnant drinking, motorcycle riding, speeding, drinking, taking advil, asprin or tylenol should be illegal for women of childbearing age who are sexually active.

Thanks for posting.

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Its why you nominated an orange adulterer with
> whores coming out of his ears for president. There
> isn't a principled bone in your bodies. We know
> that now. Save the bullshit.

bullshit is all that is coming from the bankster-dino-rino fountain and you will never be at peace from it

misquoting the bible doesn't have any affect except add to the bullshit beliefs your brainwashed mind is already drowning in, no peace will come to you

pearls before swine is another great teaching from the bible and you have definitely trampled them in the mud with mindless hate

hope you are free of the mind control some day and if you do, the best part is you are already forgiven

seeker of truth Wrote:
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> Your answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lib here:
> >
> > 1) No, it is not loving a baby
> >
> > 2) Yes, it should be.
> >
> > Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> > government the power to tell women what they
> can
> > and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
> >
> > It would be like the government telling the OP
> he
> > could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It
> > might make the country a better place. But it
> > would be government overrreach.
>
>
> Thanks, excellent answers. former progressive
> liberal here.
>
>
> I was at that same state for years before the full
> force of truth in your first 2 answers finally
> opened my eyes to the falsity of the final answer
>
> abortions for life of mother or rape are very
> rare...90% of time it is due to embarrassment or
> much less it is inconvenient
>
> abortion is fatal slut shaming, but don't expect
> feminists to point that out

For the most part, I agree. And I have no problem saying that abortion is, in my opinion, morally wrong. But I am just one person.

I would have no problem, personally, with seeing abortion severely restricted. But for a law doing that to have legitimacy, there needs to be consensus as to its' legitimacy by the governed. That does not exist. And without it, unfortunately, outlawing abortion becomes a tyranny of the minority. In other words, I (at best, a bare majority of people) do not have the right to tell you (a pregnant woman) and your doctor how to provide your medical care. And until those who oppose can convince more than half of the American people of the immorality of abortion, we are in a situation where the government that governs least governs best.

Interesting argument. Thank you

Need more info Wrote:
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> I need some information from you before I can
> answer
> Based on science when is a fetus a person?
> Traditionally when do people celebrate their first
> year of life?


Not the OP, but here is the universal answers to your questions:

1. Science has not defined when a fetus is a person. The current consensus is when a fetus can survive outside the womb.

2. We don't celebrate their first year of life. We celebrate the day we were born (thus, the term 'birth'day and not 'life'day.

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> Lib here:
>
> 1) No, it is not loving a baby
>
> 2) Yes, it should be.
>
> Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> government the power to tell women what they can
> and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
>
> It would be like the government telling the OP he
> could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It
> might make the country a better place. But it
> would be government overrreach.


An unborn child is not part of the woman's body. Why do you people keep saying that?

Science is hard Wrote:
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> Your answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lib here:
> >
> > 1) No, it is not loving a baby
> >
> > 2) Yes, it should be.
> >
> > Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> > government the power to tell women what they
> can
> > and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
> >
> > It would be like the government telling the OP
> he
> > could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It
> > might make the country a better place. But it
> > would be government overrreach.
>
>
> An unborn child is not part of the woman's body.
> Why do you people keep saying that?

Your question goes to the heart of why abortion is still legal, and is likely to remain so for a while. Not enough people believe that the unborn child/fetus is not part of the mothers body to make any real change in the law governing abortion. The challenge of the "pro-lifers" is to change that attitude. Would it be hard work? Absolutely, particularly because most on the left see "pro-life" as simply a way of controlling the sexual and reproductive autonomy of women. I think they are wrong in that regard, but that is where they are coming from.

One other thing, thinking your going to change "pro-choice" opinion by insults is not likely to be productive. The only way to change abortion laws is by educating "pro-choice" people, with factual arguments, and in particular, with respect for your listening audience. Ask yourself, is it worth it? If it is, then you will do the hard work necessary. If not, all your doing is adding to the noise pollution that gets worse everyday.

Science is hard Wrote:
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> Your answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Lib here:
> >
> > 1) No, it is not loving a baby
> >
> > 2) Yes, it should be.
> >
> > Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> > government the power to tell women what they
> can
> > and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
> >
> > It would be like the government telling the OP
> he
> > could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell". It
> > might make the country a better place. But it
> > would be government overrreach.
>
>
> An unborn child is not part of the woman's body.
> Why do you people keep saying that?

agreed which is why sexually active women of child bearing age sould not be allowed to drink alcohol - it will harm a new fetus. also we must protect the fetus by making it illegal for pregnant woman to ride motorcycles, mountain bike, skydive or do anthing that could harm the fetus.

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> One other thing, thinking your going to change
> "pro-choice" opinion by insults is not likely to
> be productive. The only way to change abortion
> laws is by educating "pro-choice" people, with
> factual arguments, and in particular, with respect
> for your listening audience. Ask yourself, is it
> worth it? If it is, then you will do the hard
> work necessary. If not, all your doing is adding
> to the noise pollution that gets worse everyday.


What 'insults' are you referring to. The poster didn't insult anyone far as I can tell.

7m4um Wrote:
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> Your Answer Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > One other thing, thinking your going to change
> > "pro-choice" opinion by insults is not likely
> to
> > be productive. The only way to change abortion
> > laws is by educating "pro-choice" people, with
> > factual arguments, and in particular, with
> respect
> > for your listening audience. Ask yourself, is
> it
> > worth it? If it is, then you will do the hard
> > work necessary. If not, all your doing is
> adding
> > to the noise pollution that gets worse
> everyday.
>
>
> What 'insults' are you referring to. The poster
> didn't insult anyone far as I can tell.

Sorry, could have been more specific. I am not referring to OP himself, but "pro-lifers" in general. "Murderers, baby killers" etc. Been going on since the 70s

Of course, pro-lifers have freedom of speech. The question is whether they want to accomplish something, or just bitch and moan.

Your answer Wrote:
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> seeker of truth Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your answer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Lib here:
> > >
> > > 1) No, it is not loving a baby
> > >
> > > 2) Yes, it should be.
> > >
> > > Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> > > government the power to tell women what they
> > can
> > > and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
> > >
> > > It would be like the government telling the
> OP
> > he
> > > could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell".
> It
> > > might make the country a better place. But
> it
> > > would be government overrreach.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, excellent answers. former progressive
> > liberal here.
> >
> >
> > I was at that same state for years before the
> full
> > force of truth in your first 2 answers finally
> > opened my eyes to the falsity of the final
> answer
> >
> > abortions for life of mother or rape are very
> > rare...90% of time it is due to embarrassment
> or
> > much less it is inconvenient
> >
> > abortion is fatal slut shaming, but don't
> expect
> > feminists to point that out
>
> For the most part, I agree. And I have no problem
> saying that abortion is, in my opinion, morally
> wrong. But I am just one person.
>
> I would have no problem, personally, with seeing
> abortion severely restricted. But for a law doing
> that to have legitimacy, there needs to be
> consensus as to its' legitimacy by the governed.
> That does not exist. And without it,
> unfortunately, outlawing abortion becomes a
> tyranny of the minority. In other words, I (at
> best, a bare majority of people) do not have the
> right to tell you (a pregnant woman) and your
> doctor how to provide your medical care. And
> until those who oppose can convince more than half
> of the American people of the immorality of
> abortion, we are in a situation where the
> government that governs least governs best.
>
> Interesting argument. Thank you

Thanks for having an honest, interesting and real conversation as well.

The only thing i would point out is that abortion was not put in place by we the people, it was done by radical judges legislating from the bench.

Gay marriage tried to go the correct route and in virginia and even california it was defeated and the activist judges then did the same thing they did with abortion and over rode the will of the people and claimed it was a constitutional right

For the very same reason, the court does not allow any states to restrict abortion and strikes down peoples attempt to actually make laws even as the court claims that laws are the way to properly decide.

Most republicans claim to be against abortion, but they lie, if they truly were against abortion they would push for life in the womb legislation so that Hillary's truth about abortion being legal even one day before birth would become illegal as we all know it should be.

How many unwanted black crack-addicted babies are you volunteering to raise? How many can we drop off at your house? Seriously, what's the number?

protect Wrote:
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> Science is hard Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Your answer Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Lib here:
> > >
> > > 1) No, it is not loving a baby
> > >
> > > 2) Yes, it should be.
> > >
> > > Abortion should still be legal. Giving the
> > > government the power to tell women what they
> > can
> > > and cannot do with their bodies is communist.
> > >
> > > It would be like the government telling the
> OP
> > he
> > > could not jack off to "Saved by the Bell".
> It
> > > might make the country a better place. But
> it
> > > would be government overrreach.
> >
> >
> > An unborn child is not part of the woman's
> body.
> > Why do you people keep saying that?
>
> agreed which is why sexually active women of child
> bearing age sould not be allowed to drink alcohol
> - it will harm a new fetus. also we must protect
> the fetus by making it illegal for pregnant woman
> to ride motorcycles, mountain bike, skydive or do
> anthing that could harm the fetus.

Conservatives are against the nanny state, pro abortionists are for the nanny state.

there is a difference between protecting against willful intent to harm and risky behavior.

i think we can agree that abortion is willful intent to harm an unborn baby.

drinking, smoking, eating tuna, walking, driving, biking to work are all behaviours that have a measurable risk, but there is no intent

are you against taxes on tobacco, alcohol, junk food and all the other things that the nanny state claims for your protection or is it only pregnant mothers who should be able to do these things ?

thanks for actually trying to discuss things using your own mind rather than talking points that have nothing to do with the discussion

There are too many people in the world already. Eventually with all the new technology (robotics, artificial intelligence, automation) there will not be enough jobs for everyone. At some point society, will consist of the uber rich in gated communities protected by armed guard and poor people. Most aborted fetuses would have grown up to be criminals anyways.

so are you volunteering to free up world resources ? why is it liberals always volunteer somebody else to pay the bill but they never want to pay themselves ?

also, we have all read the freakonomics lies

crime rates go down in times of strong economy which was the real correlation

kind of like the sun controls the climate despite globalist warming liars saying the sun is a constant and not a factor


Reality Bites Wrote:
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> There are too many people in the world already.
> Eventually with all the new technology (robotics,
> artificial intelligence, automation) there will
> not be enough jobs for everyone. At some point
> society, will consist of the uber rich in gated
> communities protected by armed guard and poor
> people. Most aborted fetuses would have grown up
> to be criminals anyways.