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The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
POTUS Interrupted
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:51AM
The Obama Spell Is Broken
By Fouad Ajami
Wall Street Journal, Jan 31, 2010
The curtain has come down on what can best be described as a brief un-American
moment in our history. That moment began in the fall of 2008, with the great
financial panic, and gave rise to the Barack Obama phenomenon.
The nation's faith in institutions and time-honored ways had cracked. In a little-
known senator from Illinois millions of Americans came to see a savior who would
deliver the nation out of its troubles. Gone was the empiricism in political life
that had marked the American temper in politics. A charismatic leader had risen
in a manner akin to the way politics plays out in distressed and Third World societies.
There is nothing surprising about where Mr. Obama finds himself today. He had
been made by charisma, and political magic, and has been felled by it. If his
rise had been spectacular, so, too, has been his fall. The speed with which some
of his devotees have turned on him—and their unwillingness to own up to what
their infatuation had wrought—is nothing short of astounding. But this is the
bargain Mr. Obama had made with political fortune.
He was a blank slate, and devotees projected onto him what they wanted or wished.
In the manner of political redeemers who have marked—and wrecked—the politics of
the Arab world and Latin America, Mr. Obama left the crowd to its most precious
and volatile asset—its imagination. There was no internal coherence to the
coalition that swept him to power. There was cultural "cool" and racial
absolution for the white professional classes who were the first to embrace him.
There was understandable racial pride on the part of the African-American
community that came around to his banners after it ditched the Clinton dynasty.
The white working class had been slow to be convinced. The technocracy and
elitism of Mr. Obama's campaign—indeed of his whole persona—troubled that big
constituency, much more, I believe, than did his race and name. The promise of
economic help, of an interventionist state that would salvage ailing industries
and provide a safety net for the working poor, reconciled these voters to a
candidate they viewed with a healthy measure of suspicion. He had been caught
denigrating them as people "clinging to their guns and religion," but they had
forgiven him.
Mr. Obama himself authored the tale of his own political crisis. He had won an
election, but he took it as a plebiscite granting him a writ to remake the basic
political compact of this republic.
Mr. Obama's self-regard, and his reading of his mandate, overwhelmed all
restraint. The age-old American balance between a relatively small government and
a larger role for the agencies of civil society was suddenly turned on its head.
Speed was of the essence to the Obama team and its allies, the powerful barons in
Congress. Better ram down sweeping social programs—a big liberal agenda before
the people stirred to life again.
Progressives pressed for a draconian attack on the workings of our health care,
and on the broader balance between the state and the marketplace. The economic
stimulus, ObamaCare, the large deficits, the bailout package for the automobile
industry—these, and so much more, were nothing short of a fundamental assault on
the givens of the American social compact.
And then there was the hubris of the man at the helm: He was everywhere, and
pronounced on matters large and small. This was political death by the teleprompter.
Americans don't deify their leaders or hang on their utterances, but Mr. Obama
succumbed to what the devotees said of him: He was the Awaited One. A measure of
reticence could have served him. But the flight had been heady, and in the manner
of Icarus, Mr. Obama flew too close to the sun.
We have had stylish presidents, none more so than JFK. But Kennedy was an ironist
and never fell for his own mystique. Mr. Obama's self-regard comes without irony—
he himself now owns up to the "remoteness and detachment" of his governing style.
We don't have in this republic the technocratic model of the European states,
where a bureaucratic elite disposes of public policy with scant regard for the
popular will. Mr. Obama was smitten with his own specialness.
In this extraordinary tale of hubris undone, the Europeans—more even than the
people in Islamic lands—can be assigned no small share of blame. They overdid the
enthusiasm for the star who had risen in America.
It was the way in Paris and Berlin (not to forget Oslo of course) of rebuking all
that played out in America since 9/11—the vigilance, the wars in Afghanistan and
Iraq, the sense that America's interests and ways were threatened by a vengeful
Islamism. But while the Europeans and Muslim crowds hailed him, they damned his
country all the same. For his part, Mr. Obama played along, and in Ankara, Cairo,
Paris and Berlin he offered penance aplenty for American ways.
But no sooner had the country recovered its poise, it drew a line for Mr. Obama.
The "bluest" of states, Massachusetts, sent to Washington a senator who had
behind him three decades of service in the National Guard, who proclaimed his
pride in his "army values" and was unapologetic in his assertion that it was more
urgent to hunt down terrorists than to provide for their legal defense.
Then the close call on Christmas Day at the hands of the Nigerian jihadist Umar
Farouk Abdulmutallab demonstrated that the terrorist threat had not receded. The
president did his best to recover: We are at war, he suddenly proclaimed. Nor
were we in need of penance abroad. Rumors of our decline had been exaggerated.
The generosity of the American response to Haiti, when compared to what India and
China had provided, was a stark reminder that this remains an exceptional nation
that needs no apologies in distant lands.
***
A historical hallmark of "isms" and charismatic movements is to dig deeper when
they falter—to insist that the "thing" itself, whether it be Peronism, or
socialism, etc., had not been tried but that the leader had been undone by forces
that hemmed him in.
It is true to this history that countless voices on the left now want Obama to be
Obama. The economic stimulus, the true believers say, had not gone astray, it
only needed to be larger; the popular revolt against ObamaCare would subside if
and when a new system was put in place.
There had been that magical moment—the campaign of 2008—and the true believers
want to return to it. But reality is merciless. The spell is broken.
Mr. Ajami, a professor at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International
Studies and a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, is the
author of "The Foreigner's Gift" (Free Press, 2007).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575029110104772360.html
By Fouad Ajami
Wall Street Journal, Jan 31, 2010
The curtain has come down on what can best be described as a brief un-American
moment in our history. That moment began in the fall of 2008, with the great
financial panic, and gave rise to the Barack Obama phenomenon.
The nation's faith in institutions and time-honored ways had cracked. In a little-
known senator from Illinois millions of Americans came to see a savior who would
deliver the nation out of its troubles. Gone was the empiricism in political life
that had marked the American temper in politics. A charismatic leader had risen
in a manner akin to the way politics plays out in distressed and Third World societies.
There is nothing surprising about where Mr. Obama finds himself today. He had
been made by charisma, and political magic, and has been felled by it. If his
rise had been spectacular, so, too, has been his fall. The speed with which some
of his devotees have turned on him—and their unwillingness to own up to what
their infatuation had wrought—is nothing short of astounding. But this is the
bargain Mr. Obama had made with political fortune.
He was a blank slate, and devotees projected onto him what they wanted or wished.
In the manner of political redeemers who have marked—and wrecked—the politics of
the Arab world and Latin America, Mr. Obama left the crowd to its most precious
and volatile asset—its imagination. There was no internal coherence to the
coalition that swept him to power. There was cultural "cool" and racial
absolution for the white professional classes who were the first to embrace him.
There was understandable racial pride on the part of the African-American
community that came around to his banners after it ditched the Clinton dynasty.
The white working class had been slow to be convinced. The technocracy and
elitism of Mr. Obama's campaign—indeed of his whole persona—troubled that big
constituency, much more, I believe, than did his race and name. The promise of
economic help, of an interventionist state that would salvage ailing industries
and provide a safety net for the working poor, reconciled these voters to a
candidate they viewed with a healthy measure of suspicion. He had been caught
denigrating them as people "clinging to their guns and religion," but they had
forgiven him.
Mr. Obama himself authored the tale of his own political crisis. He had won an
election, but he took it as a plebiscite granting him a writ to remake the basic
political compact of this republic.
Mr. Obama's self-regard, and his reading of his mandate, overwhelmed all
restraint. The age-old American balance between a relatively small government and
a larger role for the agencies of civil society was suddenly turned on its head.
Speed was of the essence to the Obama team and its allies, the powerful barons in
Congress. Better ram down sweeping social programs—a big liberal agenda before
the people stirred to life again.
Progressives pressed for a draconian attack on the workings of our health care,
and on the broader balance between the state and the marketplace. The economic
stimulus, ObamaCare, the large deficits, the bailout package for the automobile
industry—these, and so much more, were nothing short of a fundamental assault on
the givens of the American social compact.
And then there was the hubris of the man at the helm: He was everywhere, and
pronounced on matters large and small. This was political death by the teleprompter.
Americans don't deify their leaders or hang on their utterances, but Mr. Obama
succumbed to what the devotees said of him: He was the Awaited One. A measure of
reticence could have served him. But the flight had been heady, and in the manner
of Icarus, Mr. Obama flew too close to the sun.
We have had stylish presidents, none more so than JFK. But Kennedy was an ironist
and never fell for his own mystique. Mr. Obama's self-regard comes without irony—
he himself now owns up to the "remoteness and detachment" of his governing style.
We don't have in this republic the technocratic model of the European states,
where a bureaucratic elite disposes of public policy with scant regard for the
popular will. Mr. Obama was smitten with his own specialness.
In this extraordinary tale of hubris undone, the Europeans—more even than the
people in Islamic lands—can be assigned no small share of blame. They overdid the
enthusiasm for the star who had risen in America.
It was the way in Paris and Berlin (not to forget Oslo of course) of rebuking all
that played out in America since 9/11—the vigilance, the wars in Afghanistan and
Iraq, the sense that America's interests and ways were threatened by a vengeful
Islamism. But while the Europeans and Muslim crowds hailed him, they damned his
country all the same. For his part, Mr. Obama played along, and in Ankara, Cairo,
Paris and Berlin he offered penance aplenty for American ways.
But no sooner had the country recovered its poise, it drew a line for Mr. Obama.
The "bluest" of states, Massachusetts, sent to Washington a senator who had
behind him three decades of service in the National Guard, who proclaimed his
pride in his "army values" and was unapologetic in his assertion that it was more
urgent to hunt down terrorists than to provide for their legal defense.
Then the close call on Christmas Day at the hands of the Nigerian jihadist Umar
Farouk Abdulmutallab demonstrated that the terrorist threat had not receded. The
president did his best to recover: We are at war, he suddenly proclaimed. Nor
were we in need of penance abroad. Rumors of our decline had been exaggerated.
The generosity of the American response to Haiti, when compared to what India and
China had provided, was a stark reminder that this remains an exceptional nation
that needs no apologies in distant lands.
***
A historical hallmark of "isms" and charismatic movements is to dig deeper when
they falter—to insist that the "thing" itself, whether it be Peronism, or
socialism, etc., had not been tried but that the leader had been undone by forces
that hemmed him in.
It is true to this history that countless voices on the left now want Obama to be
Obama. The economic stimulus, the true believers say, had not gone astray, it
only needed to be larger; the popular revolt against ObamaCare would subside if
and when a new system was put in place.
There had been that magical moment—the campaign of 2008—and the true believers
want to return to it. But reality is merciless. The spell is broken.
Mr. Ajami, a professor at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International
Studies and a senior fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution, is the
author of "The Foreigner's Gift" (Free Press, 2007).
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704094304575029110104772360.html
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
bloody blisters
()
Date: February 02, 2010 02:11AM
awesome, i read this and was like wow, this so describes my emotions. the part about the beagles was classic, only a dumbass would have done such a thing to a fine dog like that. i just printed this out and now im showing it to all my friend. he will think it is so cool.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: February 02, 2010 03:31AM
tl;dr
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 02, 2010 05:26AM
The author of the article wrote a book a few years back about the war in Iraq.
First Chapter
‘The Foreigner's Gift’
By FOUAD AJAMI
Published: July 30, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/books/chapters/0730-1st-ajam.html
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
First Chapter
‘The Foreigner's Gift’
By FOUAD AJAMI
Published: July 30, 2006
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/30/books/chapters/0730-1st-ajam.html
Quote
...
An officer in the Marine Corps, Colonel Stephen Ganyard (a former student of mine), trying to speak to my anxieties about this war, offered a soldier's consolation - the clarifying power of time and of patience. "Tell me in twenty years," he wrote, "how this war will have turned out, for it will take that long for it to reveal its full harvest." We judge quicker. Without the soldiers' mission, without their poise, we ride the roller coaster of a war whose justice and heartbreak alternate in endless succession. Nowadays you dread the Department of Defense releases of the mounting number of those predominantly young men lost in the "Iraq theater of operations." Nowadays you look away in hurt from the crawl at the bottom of the TV screen bringing news of another roadside bomb and another American fatality. There was a stirring Iraqi election on December 15, 2005 - the third in eleven months - and eleven million Iraqis cast their ballots. But on that day the Department of Defense's tally of American service members killed in Iraq reached 2,142. It hasn't been easy and it hasn't been cheap, this new military campaign brought about by the coming apart of an Arab-Muslim world unwilling to deal with its despotisms and purveyors of terrorism. It would be a consolation were we to think that, after Kabul and Baghdad, there would be repose and an end to vigilance. But we should know the burning grounds of the Arab-Muslim world better by now. And one can be forgiven the premonition that this isn't the end of the matter.
In a work of penetrating insight, al-Iraq al-Amriki (American Iraq), a highly respected Iraqi intellectual and diplomat, Hassan al-Alawi, observes that it is proper to speak of an American Iraq as one does of a Sumerian, a Babylonian, an Abbasid, an Ottoman, and then a British Iraq. The time of the Americans, he notes, is destined to be exceedingly short but of great impact. Where British Iraq was Sunni, American Iraq can be said to be Shia. During the time of British primacy, the Sunnis were shrewd and accepted the logic of power, and of defeat; they got a homeland, a political kingdom, embassies, and official positions, while the Shia were left with the legend of the resistance to British rule and the "rusty, old rifles" of the Marsh Arabs. Iraq could have done better for itself, Alawi writes, had it accepted American power, had it turned away from violence and from rebellion. The Shia have not been as brilliant and cunning in the time of the Americans as the Sunnis were under British rule and tutelage, he adds. But a beginning has been made, and the old order has been shattered for good.
...
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
•Honkey•
()
Date: February 02, 2010 08:43AM
I agree.
If he wasn't a "minority" we would have impeached him already.
His mommy was a white Cracker.
His daddy was a black Nigger and didn't give a fuck about him.
I'm a white cracker like his momma, and I don't give a fuck about that Nigger either.
If he wasn't a "minority" we would have impeached him already.
His mommy was a white Cracker.
His daddy was a black Nigger and didn't give a fuck about him.
I'm a white cracker like his momma, and I don't give a fuck about that Nigger either.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
DumDem
()
Date: February 02, 2010 09:16AM
One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 10:16AM
Pretty fair assessment.
I think it will be a long time before people fall so hard for a politician again.
I think it will be a long time before people fall so hard for a politician again.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
conVince
()
Date: February 02, 2010 11:45AM
And now that the Bush tax cuts and AMT adjustments will go away, Americans will soon learn what a demokrat means when he says "those making under $250k will not see any tax increase, not one dime." Already gasoline and tobacco taxes have gone up, and the apologists whined "but he meant INCOME taxes!!" Well we're about to see those go up. The Bush tax cuts reduced rates across the board for all who paid taxes, and Nobama and those demokrats in kongress are going to send them all back up.
I bring everyone back to the fervor, the blind hope, the poor ignorant souls who invested all of their hope in these demokrats.
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I bring everyone back to the fervor, the blind hope, the poor ignorant souls who invested all of their hope in these demokrats.
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Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Scat Brown(R)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:03PM
conVince,
Like you, I voted for Bush and the same tax cuts which ultimately resulted in the massive hemmoraging of the federal deficit. Golly, we Republicans sure are gullible! What's good for me, isn't really good for the country, I guess.
Anywho, what was your personal financial impact of the increase in gasoline and tobacco taxes? For me, it was a whopping $0.08. And that's just for gas, since I don't smoke. Thank God for that new home line-of-credit!
UnconVinced,
Scat Brown(R)
Like you, I voted for Bush and the same tax cuts which ultimately resulted in the massive hemmoraging of the federal deficit. Golly, we Republicans sure are gullible! What's good for me, isn't really good for the country, I guess.
Anywho, what was your personal financial impact of the increase in gasoline and tobacco taxes? For me, it was a whopping $0.08. And that's just for gas, since I don't smoke. Thank God for that new home line-of-credit!
UnconVinced,
Scat Brown(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:08PM
I think an important barometer of how things are going for Obama is the lack of people who defend him anymore.
Seeing him for what he is is essentially admitting two things: one, you were duped; and two, your imagination got the best of you. Neither is easy to admit!
Seeing him for what he is is essentially admitting two things: one, you were duped; and two, your imagination got the best of you. Neither is easy to admit!
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Scat Brown(R)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:20PM
Realist,
Do you apply your barometer rectally or orally? I just go with what feels right when the mood strikes.
Oh, and you might need new glasses. Were you duped when Bush was in office as well? Or, was it just your imagination?
Really,
Scat Brown(R)
Do you apply your barometer rectally or orally? I just go with what feels right when the mood strikes.
Oh, and you might need new glasses. Were you duped when Bush was in office as well? Or, was it just your imagination?
Really,
Scat Brown(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:26PM
Scat Brown(R) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Realist,
>
> Do you apply your barometer rectally or orally? I
> just go with what feels right when the mood
> strikes.
>
> Oh, and you might need new glasses. Were you
> duped when Bush was in office as well? Or, was it
> just your imagination?
>
> Really,
> Scat Brown(R)
Scat,
Your assumptions are wrong. I was not duped by Bush or any other politician ever. I have never voted in my life. I’m not even registered.
Nice try, but you fail.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Realist,
>
> Do you apply your barometer rectally or orally? I
> just go with what feels right when the mood
> strikes.
>
> Oh, and you might need new glasses. Were you
> duped when Bush was in office as well? Or, was it
> just your imagination?
>
> Really,
> Scat Brown(R)
Scat,
Your assumptions are wrong. I was not duped by Bush or any other politician ever. I have never voted in my life. I’m not even registered.
Nice try, but you fail.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Jon S
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:29PM
Realist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think an important barometer of how things are
> going for Obama is the lack of people who defend
> him anymore.
>
Jon Stewart is even letting him have now. :-)))
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think an important barometer of how things are
> going for Obama is the lack of people who defend
> him anymore.
>
Jon Stewart is even letting him have now. :-)))
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:34PM
Some facts "gentlemen":
Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a full court press for a single payer healthcare insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of you seem to in the wisdom of the American electorate..I think what has happened is nothing more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very well now.
As for all your whining declaring Obama dead...well, that's about as true as the declaration that the republikan party was dead 1 year ago. It just aint so.
In regards to the credibility of the author...In an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought to assuage concerns about the anticipated US invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
My book..he has zero credibility.
I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb Virginians all speaking the same dumb speak...Fedearl Govt is bad...taxes are bad...War is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of Republican chicken-hawks!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:33PM by Vince(1).
Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a full court press for a single payer healthcare insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of you seem to in the wisdom of the American electorate..I think what has happened is nothing more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very well now.
As for all your whining declaring Obama dead...well, that's about as true as the declaration that the republikan party was dead 1 year ago. It just aint so.
In regards to the credibility of the author...In an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought to assuage concerns about the anticipated US invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
My book..he has zero credibility.
I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb Virginians all speaking the same dumb speak...Fedearl Govt is bad...taxes are bad...War is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of Republican chicken-hawks!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:33PM by Vince(1).
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 12:48PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> electorate..I think what has happened is nothing
> more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to
> put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very
> well now.
>
> As for all your whining declaring Obama
> dead...well, that's about as true as the
> declaration that the republikan party was dead 1
> year ago. It just aint so.
>
> In regards to the credibility of the author...In
> an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought
> to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of
> the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are
> 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs
> in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
>
> My book..he has zero credibility.
>
> I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are bad...War
> is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them
> have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> Republican chicken-hawks!
Not sure who you're addressing/betting, but I served 7 years-- pay up!
Although I'm not a republican or a chicken-hawk so... maybe I'll give you a pass
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> electorate..I think what has happened is nothing
> more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to
> put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very
> well now.
>
> As for all your whining declaring Obama
> dead...well, that's about as true as the
> declaration that the republikan party was dead 1
> year ago. It just aint so.
>
> In regards to the credibility of the author...In
> an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought
> to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of
> the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are
> 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs
> in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
>
> My book..he has zero credibility.
>
> I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are bad...War
> is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them
> have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> Republican chicken-hawks!
Not sure who you're addressing/betting, but I served 7 years-- pay up!
Although I'm not a republican or a chicken-hawk so... maybe I'll give you a pass
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
.Jerry.Rubin
()
Date: February 02, 2010 01:17PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> electorate..I think what has happened is nothing
> more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to
> put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very
> well now.
>
> As for all your whining declaring Obama
> dead...well, that's about as true as the
> declaration that the republikan party was dead 1
> year ago. It just aint so.
>
> In regards to the credibility of the author...In
> an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought
> to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of
> the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are
> 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs
> in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
>
> My book..he has zero credibility.
>
> I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are bad...War
> is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them
> have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> Republican chicken-hawks!
"I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army"
Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army. How many did you spend? Har!
You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just told you to go play on the
Beltway.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> electorate..I think what has happened is nothing
> more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy to
> put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working very
> well now.
>
> As for all your whining declaring Obama
> dead...well, that's about as true as the
> declaration that the republikan party was dead 1
> year ago. It just aint so.
>
> In regards to the credibility of the author...In
> an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney sought
> to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction of
> the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad are
> 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the throngs
> in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
>
> My book..he has zero credibility.
>
> I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are bad...War
> is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of them
> have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> Republican chicken-hawks!
"I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army"
Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army. How many did you spend? Har!
You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just told you to go play on the
Beltway.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: February 02, 2010 01:52PM
Looking at his budget proposal and his decision to take on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I've come to the conclusion that Obama is thinking, "Oh fuck it. I'm going to do what I think needs to be done. If I don't get a second term, so be it."
If that's what's happening, I have no problem with that.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
If that's what's happening, I have no problem with that.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
KJ
()
Date: February 02, 2010 02:01PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Looking at his budget proposal and his decision to
> take on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I've come to the
> conclusion that Obama is thinking, "Oh fuck it.
> I'm going to do what I think needs to be done. If
> I don't get a second term, so be it."
>
> If that's what's happening, I have no problem with
> that.
So be it, but then raise taxes in the budget proposal. Don't have a budget that is roughly 40% red ink and then not have the balls to raise taxes. If he thinks raising certain taxes is best, then do it and do it with zeal.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Looking at his budget proposal and his decision to
> take on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I've come to the
> conclusion that Obama is thinking, "Oh fuck it.
> I'm going to do what I think needs to be done. If
> I don't get a second term, so be it."
>
> If that's what's happening, I have no problem with
> that.
So be it, but then raise taxes in the budget proposal. Don't have a budget that is roughly 40% red ink and then not have the balls to raise taxes. If he thinks raising certain taxes is best, then do it and do it with zeal.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 02:35PM
KJ Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looking at his budget proposal and his decision
> to
> > take on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I've come to the
> > conclusion that Obama is thinking, "Oh fuck it.
> > I'm going to do what I think needs to be done.
> If
> > I don't get a second term, so be it."
> >
> > If that's what's happening, I have no problem
> with
> > that.
>
> So be it, but then raise taxes in the budget
> proposal. Don't have a budget that is roughly 40%
> red ink and then not have the balls to raise
> taxes. If he thinks raising certain taxes is
> best, then do it and do it with zeal.
Here's a good summary of his tax increases. Looks like he doesn't lack balls in this regard.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100201/us/usreport_us_budget_backdoortaxes
-------------------------------------------------------
> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Looking at his budget proposal and his decision
> to
> > take on Don't Ask, Don't Tell, I've come to the
> > conclusion that Obama is thinking, "Oh fuck it.
> > I'm going to do what I think needs to be done.
> If
> > I don't get a second term, so be it."
> >
> > If that's what's happening, I have no problem
> with
> > that.
>
> So be it, but then raise taxes in the budget
> proposal. Don't have a budget that is roughly 40%
> red ink and then not have the balls to raise
> taxes. If he thinks raising certain taxes is
> best, then do it and do it with zeal.
Here's a good summary of his tax increases. Looks like he doesn't lack balls in this regard.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/reuters/100201/us/usreport_us_budget_backdoortaxes
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 02:40PM
Realist,
I'm so glad that he doesn't lick balls in this regard because that is what we do best.
Holla,
Bobbie Fran
I'm so glad that he doesn't lick balls in this regard because that is what we do best.
Holla,
Bobbie Fran
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Realist
()
Date: February 02, 2010 03:07PM
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Realist,
>
> I'm so glad that he doesn't lick balls in this
> regard because that is what we do best.
>
> Holla,
> Bobbie Fran
Bobbie/Scat,
You seem to mistake me for a Republican again. Please take off your partisan glasses and throw away your binary world model.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Realist,
>
> I'm so glad that he doesn't lick balls in this
> regard because that is what we do best.
>
> Holla,
> Bobbie Fran
Bobbie/Scat,
You seem to mistake me for a Republican again. Please take off your partisan glasses and throw away your binary world model.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: February 02, 2010 03:30PM
AMT is a bitch. No getting around that.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Scat Brown(R)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 03:39PM
Realist,
Did you say bi-world model? Have you seen my centerfold pic yet?
Just Perky,
Scat Brown(R)
Did you say bi-world model? Have you seen my centerfold pic yet?
Just Perky,
Scat Brown(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
taxpayer
()
Date: February 02, 2010 03:48PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> AMT is a bitch. No getting around that.
I'd be happy paying an AMT.
-------------------------------------------------------
> AMT is a bitch. No getting around that.
I'd be happy paying an AMT.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 04:31PM
.Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > electorate..I think what has happened is
> nothing
> > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> to
> > put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> very
> > well now.
> >
> > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > declaration that the republikan party was dead
> 1
> > year ago. It just aint so.
> >
> > In regards to the credibility of the
> author...In
> > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> sought
> > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction
> of
> > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> are
> > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> throngs
> > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> >
> > My book..he has zero credibility.
> >
> > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> bad...War
> > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> them
> > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > Republican chicken-hawks!
>
> "I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army"
>
> Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army.
> How many did you spend? Har!
> You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just
> told you to go play on the
> Beltway.
Well..this is at least proof that you use an alias other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were made to those who had posted prior to mine...not every conceivable person who might post after me.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:35PM by Vince(1).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > electorate..I think what has happened is
> nothing
> > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> to
> > put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> very
> > well now.
> >
> > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > declaration that the republikan party was dead
> 1
> > year ago. It just aint so.
> >
> > In regards to the credibility of the
> author...In
> > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> sought
> > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction
> of
> > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> are
> > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> throngs
> > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> >
> > My book..he has zero credibility.
> >
> > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> bad...War
> > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> them
> > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > Republican chicken-hawks!
>
> "I bet none of them have spent a day in the Army"
>
> Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army.
> How many did you spend? Har!
> You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just
> told you to go play on the
> Beltway.
Well..this is at least proof that you use an alias other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were made to those who had posted prior to mine...not every conceivable person who might post after me.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:35PM by Vince(1).
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 04:35PM
Realist Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > electorate..I think what has happened is
> nothing
> > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> to
> > put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> very
> > well now.
> >
> > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > declaration that the republikan party was dead
> 1
> > year ago. It just aint so.
> >
> > In regards to the credibility of the
> author...In
> > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> sought
> > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction
> of
> > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> are
> > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> throngs
> > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> >
> > My book..he has zero credibility.
> >
> > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> bad...War
> > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> them
> > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > Republican chicken-hawks!
>
>
> Not sure who you're addressing/betting, but I
> served 7 years-- pay up!
>
> Although I'm not a republican or a chicken-hawk
> so... maybe I'll give you a pass
No pass requested....my hat is off to you for serving your country! You are unlike most the big talkers on here.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:36PM by Vince(1).
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most of
> > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > electorate..I think what has happened is
> nothing
> > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> to
> > put fear and lies into the debate. That tactic
> > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> very
> > well now.
> >
> > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > declaration that the republikan party was dead
> 1
> > year ago. It just aint so.
> >
> > In regards to the credibility of the
> author...In
> > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> sought
> > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the reaction
> of
> > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> are
> > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> throngs
> > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> >
> > My book..he has zero credibility.
> >
> > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> bad...War
> > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> them
> > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > Republican chicken-hawks!
>
>
> Not sure who you're addressing/betting, but I
> served 7 years-- pay up!
>
> Although I'm not a republican or a chicken-hawk
> so... maybe I'll give you a pass
No pass requested....my hat is off to you for serving your country! You are unlike most the big talkers on here.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 04:36PM by Vince(1).
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
=GoLickASacVince=
()
Date: February 02, 2010 04:48PM
Yes thank you.
Because Wince(1) is a mind-reader know-it-all.
Because Wince(1) is a mind-reader know-it-all.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
.Jerry.Rubin
()
Date: February 02, 2010 05:43PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Some facts "gentlemen":
> > >
> > > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect
> a
> > > full court press for a single payer
> healthcare
> > > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most
> of
> > > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > > electorate..I think what has happened is
> > nothing
> > > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> > to
> > > put fear and lies into the debate. That
> tactic
> > > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> > very
> > > well now.
> > >
> > > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > > declaration that the republikan party was
> dead
> > 1
> > > year ago. It just aint so.
> > >
> > > In regards to the credibility of the
> > author...In
> > > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> > sought
> > > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the
> reaction
> > of
> > > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> > are
> > > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> > throngs
> > > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> > >
> > > My book..he has zero credibility.
> > >
> > > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> > bad...War
> > > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> > them
> > > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > > Republican chicken-hawks!
> >
> > "I bet none of them have spent a day in the
> Army"
> >
> > Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army.
> > How many did you spend? Har!
> > You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just
> > told you to go play on the
> > Beltway.
>
>
> Well..this is at least proof that you use an alias
> other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were made
> to those who had posted prior to mine...not every
> conceivable person who might post after me.
Aw, come on Vince. Why don't you tell us some of your war stories
about how you beat the Draft and someone else had to take your place?
-------------------------------------------------------
> .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Some facts "gentlemen":
> > >
> > > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect
> a
> > > full court press for a single payer
> healthcare
> > > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as most
> of
> > > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > > electorate..I think what has happened is
> > nothing
> > > more then a very sucessful Republkan strategy
> > to
> > > put fear and lies into the debate. That
> tactic
> > > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is working
> > very
> > > well now.
> > >
> > > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > > declaration that the republikan party was
> dead
> > 1
> > > year ago. It just aint so.
> > >
> > > In regards to the credibility of the
> > author...In
> > > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans of
> > > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> > sought
> > > to assuage concerns about the anticipated US
> > > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the
> reaction
> > of
> > > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > > liberation, the streets in Basra and Baghdad
> > are
> > > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> > throngs
> > > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> > >
> > > My book..he has zero credibility.
> > >
> > > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> > bad...War
> > > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none of
> > them
> > > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > > Republican chicken-hawks!
> >
> > "I bet none of them have spent a day in the
> Army"
> >
> > Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the Army.
> > How many did you spend? Har!
> > You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she just
> > told you to go play on the
> > Beltway.
>
>
> Well..this is at least proof that you use an alias
> other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were made
> to those who had posted prior to mine...not every
> conceivable person who might post after me.
Aw, come on Vince. Why don't you tell us some of your war stories
about how you beat the Draft and someone else had to take your place?
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
pgens
()
Date: February 02, 2010 06:02PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot.
But there was never a full court press for single payer... that is what I really WANTED to see and why I supported him. But none of the serious proposals in Congress were single payer. But I have already ranted in the forums about how cutting out the health insurance companies from the entire system would be very beneficial.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Some facts "gentlemen":
>
> Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> full court press for a single payer healthcare
> insurance...was an idiot.
But there was never a full court press for single payer... that is what I really WANTED to see and why I supported him. But none of the serious proposals in Congress were single payer. But I have already ranted in the forums about how cutting out the health insurance companies from the entire system would be very beneficial.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 07:10PM
pgens Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot.
>
> But there was never a full court press for single
> payer... that is what I really WANTED to see and
> why I supported him. But none of the serious
> proposals in Congress were single payer. But I
> have already ranted in the forums about how
> cutting out the health insurance companies from
> the entire system would be very beneficial.
I agree with you!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Some facts "gentlemen":
> >
> > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt expect a
> > full court press for a single payer healthcare
> > insurance...was an idiot.
>
> But there was never a full court press for single
> payer... that is what I really WANTED to see and
> why I supported him. But none of the serious
> proposals in Congress were single payer. But I
> have already ranted in the forums about how
> cutting out the health insurance companies from
> the entire system would be very beneficial.
I agree with you!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Vince(1)
()
Date: February 02, 2010 07:14PM
.Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Some facts "gentlemen":
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt
> expect
> > a
> > > > full court press for a single payer
> > healthcare
> > > > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as
> most
> > of
> > > > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > > > electorate..I think what has happened is
> > > nothing
> > > > more then a very sucessful Republkan
> strategy
> > > to
> > > > put fear and lies into the debate. That
> > tactic
> > > > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is
> working
> > > very
> > > > well now.
> > > >
> > > > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > > > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > > > declaration that the republikan party was
> > dead
> > > 1
> > > > year ago. It just aint so.
> > > >
> > > > In regards to the credibility of the
> > > author...In
> > > > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans
> of
> > > > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> > > sought
> > > > to assuage concerns about the anticipated
> US
> > > > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the
> > reaction
> > > of
> > > > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > > > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > > > liberation, the streets in Basra and
> Baghdad
> > > are
> > > > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> > > throngs
> > > > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> > > >
> > > > My book..he has zero credibility.
> > > >
> > > > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > > > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > > > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> > > bad...War
> > > > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none
> of
> > > them
> > > > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > > > Republican chicken-hawks!
> > >
> > > "I bet none of them have spent a day in the
> > Army"
> > >
> > > Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the
> Army.
> > > How many did you spend? Har!
> > > You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she
> just
> > > told you to go play on the
> > > Beltway.
> >
> >
> > Well..this is at least proof that you use an
> alias
> > other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were
> made
> > to those who had posted prior to mine...not
> every
> > conceivable person who might post after me.
>
> Aw, come on Vince. Why don't you tell us some of
> your war stories
> about how you beat the Draft and someone else had
> to take your place?
lol..yes, as in the Civil War I paid your mother to go for me! Get real Jerry (or whoever you are)..I broke no laws and am very comfortable with my decision not to join the military. That doesnt mean I do not respect the military and certainly do not consider them expendable as Gravis has stated quite clearly. Why you focus on me...rather then a person who consider you expendable is beyond me. It's obvious your politics distorts your view of the world.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 09:03AM by Vince(1).
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > .Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Some facts "gentlemen":
> > > >
> > > > Anyone who vothed for Obama and didnt
> expect
> > a
> > > > full court press for a single payer
> > healthcare
> > > > insurance...was an idiot. Believing as
> most
> > of
> > > > you seem to in the wisdom of the American
> > > > electorate..I think what has happened is
> > > nothing
> > > > more then a very sucessful Republkan
> strategy
> > > to
> > > > put fear and lies into the debate. That
> > tactic
> > > > worked well for 8 years of GWB and is
> working
> > > very
> > > > well now.
> > > >
> > > > As for all your whining declaring Obama
> > > > dead...well, that's about as true as the
> > > > declaration that the republikan party was
> > dead
> > > 1
> > > > year ago. It just aint so.
> > > >
> > > > In regards to the credibility of the
> > > author...In
> > > > an August 2002 speech before the Veterans
> of
> > > > Foreign Wars, US Vice President Dick Cheney
> > > sought
> > > > to assuage concerns about the anticipated
> US
> > > > invasion of Iraq, stating: "As for the
> > reaction
> > > of
> > > > the Arab 'street,' the Middle East expert
> > > > Professor Fouad Ajami predicts that after
> > > > liberation, the streets in Basra and
> Baghdad
> > > are
> > > > 'sure to erupt in joy in the same way the
> > > throngs
> > > > in Kabul greeted the Americans.'"
> > > >
> > > > My book..he has zero credibility.
> > > >
> > > > I just topics like this..a bunch of dumb
> > > > Virginians all speaking the same dumb
> > > > speak...Fedearl GOvt is bad...taxes are
> > > bad...War
> > > > is good! jesus fucking christ..I bet none
> of
> > > them
> > > > have spent a day in the Army...a bunch of
> > > > Republican chicken-hawks!
> > >
> > > "I bet none of them have spent a day in the
> > Army"
> > >
> > > Get real Vince. I spent 1,460 days in the
> Army.
> > > How many did you spend? Har!
> > > You're Mommy's calling Vince. I think she
> just
> > > told you to go play on the
> > > Beltway.
> >
> >
> > Well..this is at least proof that you use an
> alias
> > other then "Jerry Reuben". My remarks were
> made
> > to those who had posted prior to mine...not
> every
> > conceivable person who might post after me.
>
> Aw, come on Vince. Why don't you tell us some of
> your war stories
> about how you beat the Draft and someone else had
> to take your place?
lol..yes, as in the Civil War I paid your mother to go for me! Get real Jerry (or whoever you are)..I broke no laws and am very comfortable with my decision not to join the military. That doesnt mean I do not respect the military and certainly do not consider them expendable as Gravis has stated quite clearly. Why you focus on me...rather then a person who consider you expendable is beyond me. It's obvious your politics distorts your view of the world.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 09:03AM by Vince(1).
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 02:49AM
This should make an interesting bump (large pothole) in the unemployment numbers...
U.S. May Lose 824,000 Jobs as Employment Data Revised: Analysis
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aNSc0oQ0vb4M&pos=10
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
U.S. May Lose 824,000 Jobs as Employment Data Revised: Analysis
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aNSc0oQ0vb4M&pos=10
Quote
Feb. 3 (Bloomberg Multimedia) -- The U.S. may lose 824,000 jobs when the government releases its annual revision to employment data on Feb. 5, showing the labor market was in worse shape during the recession than known at the time.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 08:50AM
I get this - I understand why he is bringing this up - sort of. Really though, is right now the time to be pushing on these issues? I think I heard last year that China only supported 4% of our new debt last year - the rest was funded mainly through bond sales in the US? Between this, and the fact that we could see our credit ratings slip - I think Obama is pushing this in a way that will cause us some serious harm in the long run. In particular with the massive debt and future spending still on the table - it is almost like he is daring the world to downgrade our ratings. Sure as shit with all the fingers China has in other people's pies right now, it is very unlikely they will try to force China to do anything. And why would the Chinese even consider this? It would completely devalue the current debt they already hold.
China hits back at Obama's claims that yuan is undervalued
US president suggests Beijing artificially depressing its currency to give exporters unfair price advantage
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/barack-obama-china-yuan
I don't see it going anywhere - it is beginning to look like false posturing on his part, on an issue that certainly needs to be addressed - in the future. Right now it seems like one of those "cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of times though.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
China hits back at Obama's claims that yuan is undervalued
US president suggests Beijing artificially depressing its currency to give exporters unfair price advantage
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/feb/04/barack-obama-china-yuan
Quote
...
His remarks were dismissed by the Chinese foreign ministry spokesman, Ma Zhaoxu, who said the yuan was correctly priced.
"At the moment, looking at international balance of payments and forex market supply and demand, the level of the yuan is close to reasonable and balanced," he told a press conference.
"Criticism and pressing obviously is not helpful to solving problems."
The comments come at a tense time in relations between the countries, with diplomatic concerns over issues including US arms sales to Taiwan, Obama's possible meeting with the Dalai Lama and China's alleged cyberattack on Google.
Washington and other Chinese trading partners claim the yuan is kept undervalued, giving Chinese exporters an unfair price advantage and swelling China's trade surplus.
...
I don't see it going anywhere - it is beginning to look like false posturing on his part, on an issue that certainly needs to be addressed - in the future. Right now it seems like one of those "cut off your nose to spite your face" kind of times though.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Scat Brown(R)
()
Date: February 04, 2010 10:31AM
Republican Vince,
I feel sorry for the poor fella who has to count those jobless numbers. Does he just walk door-to-door? Does he stop people on the street? What if he double counts people? What if he pays them for a favorable response?
Anywho, when do your jobless benefits expire?
Gainfully,
Scat Brown(R)
I feel sorry for the poor fella who has to count those jobless numbers. Does he just walk door-to-door? Does he stop people on the street? What if he double counts people? What if he pays them for a favorable response?
Anywho, when do your jobless benefits expire?
Gainfully,
Scat Brown(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Split Septum
()
Date: February 04, 2010 10:33AM
Scat Brown(R) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Republican Vince,
>
> I feel sorry for the poor fella who has to count
> those jobless numbers. Does he just walk
> door-to-door? Does he stop people on the street?
> What if he double counts people? What if he pays
> them for a favorable response?
>
> Anywho, when do your jobless benefits expire?
>
> Gainfully,
> Scat Brown(R)
That'§ §tupid
-------------------------------------------------------
> Republican Vince,
>
> I feel sorry for the poor fella who has to count
> those jobless numbers. Does he just walk
> door-to-door? Does he stop people on the street?
> What if he double counts people? What if he pays
> them for a favorable response?
>
> Anywho, when do your jobless benefits expire?
>
> Gainfully,
> Scat Brown(R)
That'§ §tupid
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Scat Brown(R)
()
Date: February 04, 2010 10:43AM
Split,
Are you a supporter of the Republican party?
Hangin' Tough,
Scat Brown(R)
Are you a supporter of the Republican party?
Hangin' Tough,
Scat Brown(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Knuckled Knee
()
Date: February 04, 2010 10:43AM
Scat Brown(R) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Split,
>
> Are you a supporter of the Republican party?
>
> Hangin' Tough,
> Scat Brown(R)
U R §tupid
-------------------------------------------------------
> Split,
>
> Are you a supporter of the Republican party?
>
> Hangin' Tough,
> Scat Brown(R)
U R §tupid
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:45AM
SB reminds me of an earlier incarnation of Alias - manner of speaking only. The short clipped sentence structure is very similar.
SB, do you drop scat loads in your shorts when you think of your fellow gay supporters on this site? Since they don't post the gay scat porn anymore you must be feeling a bit short lately. Vince(D) is holding a party for scat lickers, you could probably find some love there.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 11:46AM by Registered Voter.
SB, do you drop scat loads in your shorts when you think of your fellow gay supporters on this site? Since they don't post the gay scat porn anymore you must be feeling a bit short lately. Vince(D) is holding a party for scat lickers, you could probably find some love there.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/04/2010 11:46AM by Registered Voter.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
"for the DIY'er that takes care of SHIT!
()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:55AM
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
RepublicanVince
()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:57AM
I like my new name. I will send a PM to WTL to tell him how much I like it now.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Regis-turd Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:59AM
Registered Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> SB, do you drop scat loads in your shorts when you
> think of your fellow gay supporters on this site?
> Since they don't post the gay scat porn anymore
> you must be feeling a bit short lately. Vince(D)
> is holding a party for scat lickers, you could
> probably find some love there.
MMMMMMMMMMMMM, finally a post "I can believe in". As you can imagine, i love me some SCAT!
-------------------------------------------------------
>
> SB, do you drop scat loads in your shorts when you
> think of your fellow gay supporters on this site?
> Since they don't post the gay scat porn anymore
> you must be feeling a bit short lately. Vince(D)
> is holding a party for scat lickers, you could
> probably find some love there.
MMMMMMMMMMMMM, finally a post "I can believe in". As you can imagine, i love me some SCAT!
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 12:17PM
Stocks Drop 2%; VIX Spikes to Near 25
Published: Thursday, 4 Feb 2010 | 11:58 AM ET
http://www.cnbc.com/id/35234593
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Published: Thursday, 4 Feb 2010 | 11:58 AM ET
http://www.cnbc.com/id/35234593
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Regis-turd Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 12:19PM
Registered Voter Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stocks Drop 2%; VIX Spikes to Near 25
> Published: Thursday, 4 Feb 2010 | 11:58 AM ET
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/35234593
SCATulous, baby, SCATulous
-------------------------------------------------------
> Stocks Drop 2%; VIX Spikes to Near 25
> Published: Thursday, 4 Feb 2010 | 11:58 AM ET
> http://www.cnbc.com/id/35234593
SCATulous, baby, SCATulous
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
()
Date: February 04, 2010 12:21PM
Republican Vince,
This is not necessarily a bad thing. Stocks typically drop when we Republicans have a the illusion of power (thanks to me, and my friend, Scat Brown's victories, of course).
That's why I'm shorting the market at the moment. Financial services will go down; but municipal bonds will rise thanks to my surge in funding for new rest areas.
Thanks for your support,
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
This is not necessarily a bad thing. Stocks typically drop when we Republicans have a the illusion of power (thanks to me, and my friend, Scat Brown's victories, of course).
That's why I'm shorting the market at the moment. Financial services will go down; but municipal bonds will rise thanks to my surge in funding for new rest areas.
Thanks for your support,
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Torn Tendon
()
Date: February 04, 2010 12:22PM
Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Republican Vince,
>
> This is not necessarily a bad thing. Stocks
> typically drop when we Republicans have a the
> illusion of power (thanks to me, and my friend,
> Scat Brown's victories, of course).
>
> That's why I'm shorting the market at the moment.
> Financial services will go down; but municipal
> bonds will rise thanks to my surge in funding for
> new rest areas.
>
> Thanks for your support,
> Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
U R §tupid
-------------------------------------------------------
> Republican Vince,
>
> This is not necessarily a bad thing. Stocks
> typically drop when we Republicans have a the
> illusion of power (thanks to me, and my friend,
> Scat Brown's victories, of course).
>
> That's why I'm shorting the market at the moment.
> Financial services will go down; but municipal
> bonds will rise thanks to my surge in funding for
> new rest areas.
>
> Thanks for your support,
> Bobbie Francis McDonnell(R)
U R §tupid
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 02:40PM
Regis-turd Voter Wrote:
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> MMMMMMMMMMMMM, finally a post "I can believe in".
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Attachments:
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> MMMMMMMMMMMMM, finally a post "I can believe in".
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Attachments:
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
lolololololol
()
Date: February 04, 2010 02:43PM
hahahahahhaha! RV is one halario guy.....does he do standup routine....is he gay
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Regis-turd Voter
()
Date: February 04, 2010 02:46PM
My CO2 emissions go way up when my namesake copies and pastes
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
Registered Voter
()
Date: February 05, 2010 09:02AM
Yes, well the scat references are obviously so hilarious from the trolls. They should start their own show and get money from the NEA folks.
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
registerd palin fan
()
Date: February 05, 2010 10:12AM
rv is the reincarnation of bobcat goldthwait.....just as funny as he was in the 80s!!!!!! yuk yuk yuk yuk
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: February 05, 2010 10:23AM
This is what Obama has accomplished. In one year, he...
- Stopped a Depression
- Saved GM and Chrysler
- Saved America's Lending System
- Killed more top leaders of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in one year than Bush did in the past 6.
- Didn't use torture to get an Al Qaeda suspect to implicate a Mullah in Yemen and share information.
- Successfully implemented TARP.
- Kept unemployment from reaching Ronald Reagan's post-Depression record of 10.8 percent.
Yes, we are facing huge deficits. But much of that is due to decreased tax revenues due to the Recession. Unlike Bush, who was handed a $1 trillion surplus and doubled the national debt in 8 years, Obama was handed a $1 trillion deficit by Bush.
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http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
- Stopped a Depression
- Saved GM and Chrysler
- Saved America's Lending System
- Killed more top leaders of the Taliban and Al Qaeda in one year than Bush did in the past 6.
- Didn't use torture to get an Al Qaeda suspect to implicate a Mullah in Yemen and share information.
- Successfully implemented TARP.
- Kept unemployment from reaching Ronald Reagan's post-Depression record of 10.8 percent.
Yes, we are facing huge deficits. But much of that is due to decreased tax revenues due to the Recession. Unlike Bush, who was handed a $1 trillion surplus and doubled the national debt in 8 years, Obama was handed a $1 trillion deficit by Bush.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/13-11.htm
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
fairfaxdude
()
Date: February 05, 2010 11:04AM
(anticipates the obligatory Vince(r) response, with (hopefully) 12-15 quote boxes.)
Now carry on.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Now carry on.
______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
spamaholism
()
Date: February 05, 2010 11:17AM
fairfaxdude Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> (anticipates the obligatory Vince(r) response,
> with (hopefully) 12-15 quote boxes.)
>
>
> Now carry on.
Fairy,
I do believe that you will indeed "fairy on."
-------------------------------------------------------
> (anticipates the obligatory Vince(r) response,
> with (hopefully) 12-15 quote boxes.)
>
>
> Now carry on.
Fairy,
I do believe that you will indeed "fairy on."
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
spamaholism
()
Date: February 05, 2010 11:23AM
can i just say that there is a sale at THE LIMITED today where there is 35% off man-blouses!!!!!!!!! as a republican, i'm headed there RIGHT NOW with registered voter!!!!! yuk yuk yukyuk
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
LOLcat
()
Date: February 05, 2010 11:24AM
better den da rize N fallz of Mishell Obama, Bow chicka Bow bow.
Re: The Rise and Fall of Barack Obama
Posted by:
{PotBellyPig}
()
Date: February 05, 2010 11:32AM
Man Blouses?
I'll notify Mike O'Meara
immediately!
I'll notify Mike O'Meara
immediately!