http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6_xgKWzhRw&feature=player_embedded

The use of military aircraft is very closely monitored by the Defense Department..approval for their use has to come from a relatively very high level.

The "cost" of using military can be decieving..they fly a lot of training hours...which technically means they would fly empty or full...so filling up with passengers is of little extra expense. When wives and kids attend..they do so at their own expense.

So maybe theres some meat here...but probably not. These people are not stupid.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/30/2010 05:58PM by Vince(1).

Vince, you fucking idiot! Did you even listen to the fucking thing! It was more than just the planes. Gad dam but you are one stupid, biased motherfucker!

LOL republicans should be happy about this since they demand more for military spending anyway. This justifies it.

all Sens and congressman should be MADE to fly military ALL the time. Those arent lux planes with open bars you know!

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The use of military aircraft is very closely
> monitored by the Defense Department..approval for
> their use has to come from a relatively very high
> level.
>
> The "cost" of using military can be
> decieving..they fly a lot of training
> hours...which technically means they would fly
> empty or full...so filling up with passengers is
> of little extra expense. When wives and kids
> attend..they do so at their own expense.
>
> So maybe theres some meat here...but probably not.
> These people are not stupid.


Yeah I listened...be more specific then a cheap shot. WHat did I miss? So, what if they stayed at fancy hotels...government employees are given a standard rate for hotels and meals..stay in a hotel that costs more then the per diem rate...you pay for it out of pocket. You get a standard rate for meals...wife and kids go...you pay for their meals. Abuse of travel rgulations is the quickest way to find ytourself in jail...these people are usually smarter then that. His report on the surface is no basis to believe any laws were broken. It was just a cheap shot.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2010 12:12AM by Vince(1).

once again, america's politicians fail americans.

send them all back to england. :P


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

I think Nancy Pelosi is a disaster, but where is the expose on Sen. Imhofe flying to Copenhagen for a press conference that nobody attended?

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The use of military aircraft is very closely
> > monitored by the Defense Department..approval
> for
> > their use has to come from a relatively very
> high
> > level.
> >
> > The "cost" of using military can be
> > decieving..they fly a lot of training
> > hours...which technically means they would fly
> > empty or full...so filling up with passengers
> is
> > of little extra expense. When wives and kids
> > attend..they do so at their own expense.
> >
> > So maybe theres some meat here...but probably
> not.
> > These people are not stupid.
>
>
> Yeah I listened...be more specific then a cheap
> shot. WHat did I miss? So, what if they stayed
> at fancy hotels...government employees are given a
> standard rate for hotels and meals..stay in a
> hotel that costs more then the per diem rate...you
> pay for it out of pocket. You get a standard rate
> for meals...wife and kids go...you pay for their
> meals. Abuse of travel rgulations is the quickest
> way to find ytourself in jail...these people are
> usually smarter then that. His report on the
> surface is no basis to believe any laws were
> broken. It was just a cheap shot.

Damn, you really are an idiot. Do you really think that these members of Congress were subject to the same travel restrictions as some group of GS'ers on business travel?

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The use of military aircraft is very closely
> > > monitored by the Defense Department..approval
> > for
> > > their use has to come from a relatively very
> > high
> > > level.
> > >
> > > The "cost" of using military can be
> > > decieving..they fly a lot of training
> > > hours...which technically means they would
> fly
> > > empty or full...so filling up with passengers
> > is
> > > of little extra expense. When wives and kids
> > > attend..they do so at their own expense.
> > >
> > > So maybe theres some meat here...but probably
> > not.
> > > These people are not stupid.
> >
> >
> > Yeah I listened...be more specific then a cheap
> > shot. WHat did I miss? So, what if they
> stayed
> > at fancy hotels...government employees are given
> a
> > standard rate for hotels and meals..stay in a
> > hotel that costs more then the per diem
> rate...you
> > pay for it out of pocket. You get a standard
> rate
> > for meals...wife and kids go...you pay for
> their
> > meals. Abuse of travel rgulations is the
> quickest
> > way to find ytourself in jail...these people
> are
> > usually smarter then that. His report on the
> > surface is no basis to believe any laws were
> > broken. It was just a cheap shot.
>
> Damn, you really are an idiot. Do you really
> think that these members of Congress were subject
> to the same travel restrictions as some group of
> GS'ers on business travel?

Yes...I do..as far as what the U.S. Governemnt is required to pay. I realize they often get their travel paid for by political contributors...but even then there are laws that restrict/limit the use of contributors money. But hey...your Supreme Court thinks thats hunky dorey without any limits! if you know any differently..provide a source.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2010 11:06AM by Vince(1).

Funny, I don't see your run-of-the-mill federal employees arranging for military transportation on their business trips.

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> Funny, I don't see your run-of-the-mill federal
> employees arranging for military transportation on
> their business trips.

I was as run of the mill as they come...and even I took military air many times. Like I said..the militiary's training hours program can be used for many other purposes. If a pilot needs to fly 1000 hours for training...why not give him/her a little cargo (human or otherwise) to move at the same time? The fact that you dont see it..doesnt mean it doesnt exist!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> Funny, I don't see your run-of-the-mill federal
> employees arranging for military transportation on
> their business trips.


The Speaker of the House isn't a "run-of-the-mill" federal employee. Whether the Speaker is Nancy Pelosi or Denny Hastert.

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Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> I was as run of the mill as they come...and even I
> took military air many times. Like I said..the
> militiary's training hours program can be used for
> many other purposes. If a pilot needs to fly 1000
> hours for training...why not give him/her a little
> cargo (human or otherwise) to move at the same
> time? The fact that you dont see it..doesnt mean
> it doesnt exist!

1,000 hours for training!? LOL! You shouldn't hypothesize about things of which you have no knowledge.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> The Speaker of the House isn't a "run-of-the-mill"
> federal employee. Whether the Speaker is Nancy
> Pelosi or Denny Hastert.

Agreed, but that doesn't mean she/they should have spent that kind of money for that (basically worthless) trip.

Pilot Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I was as run of the mill as they come...and even
> I
> > took military air many times. Like I said..the
> > militiary's training hours program can be used
> for
> > many other purposes. If a pilot needs to fly
> 1000
> > hours for training...why not give him/her a
> little
> > cargo (human or otherwise) to move at the same
> > time? The fact that you dont see it..doesnt
> mean
> > it doesnt exist!
>
> 1,000 hours for training!? LOL! You shouldn't
> hypothesize about things of which you have no
> knowledge.

Asi if the number 1,000 was the point. And oh by the way..thanks for taking the time to educate us on the "correct" number of training hours you republican fraud.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/31/2010 04:40PM by Vince(1).

As opposed to democratic frauds (aka the 111th Congress).

-SBS-_ Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The Speaker of the House isn't a
> "run-of-the-mill"
> > federal employee. Whether the Speaker is Nancy
> > Pelosi or Denny Hastert.
>
> Agreed, but that doesn't mean she/they should have
> spent that kind of money for that (basically
> worthless) trip.

I don't have a basic problem with Congress having an official plane for "approved" travel - ie they have scheduled events that have to be approved and published by an office much like do for things like postal franking and such. Having it used for trips with family and such is getting to be a bit much. If these folks from Congress want their families to go, they can pay for them out of pocket to fly commercial - first class if they want, but they have to pay for it. Just because these folks get elected to office doesn't mean they are suddenly "royal" and deserve to have all their expenses paid.

Video teleconferencing has improved to the point where trips like this are pointless. The UN, and all these "official" bodies should have access to VTC technology and can hold these sessions whenever they need to. For all these folks that want to put on a "green" hat, they need to start walking the walk if they want to have any credibility. The fact that they are unwilling to inconvenience themselves to miss an opportunity to take an expensive trip for a meaningless gesture shows how out of touch they are with reality.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> -SBS-_ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > The Speaker of the House isn't a
> > "run-of-the-mill"
> > > federal employee. Whether the Speaker is
> Nancy
> > > Pelosi or Denny Hastert.
> >
> > Agreed, but that doesn't mean she/they should
> have
> > spent that kind of money for that (basically
> > worthless) trip.
>
> I don't have a basic problem with Congress having
> an official plane for "approved" travel - ie they
> have scheduled events that have to be approved and
> published by an office much like do for things
> like postal franking and such. Having it used for
> trips with family and such is getting to be a bit
> much. If these folks from Congress want their
> families to go, they can pay for them out of
> pocket to fly commercial - first class if they
> want, but they have to pay for it. Just because
> these folks get elected to office doesn't mean
> they are suddenly "royal" and deserve to have all
> their expenses paid.
>
> Video teleconferencing has improved to the point
> where trips like this are pointless. The UN, and
> all these "official" bodies should have access to
> VTC technology and can hold these sessions
> whenever they need to. For all these folks that
> want to put on a "green" hat, they need to start
> walking the walk if they want to have any
> credibility. The fact that they are unwilling to
> inconvenience themselves to miss an opportunity to
> take an expensive trip for a meaningless gesture
> shows how out of touch they are with reality.


Im sure everyone involved is relieved you have no "basic problem".

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> -SBS-_ Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Funny, I don't see your run-of-the-mill federal
> > employees arranging for military transportation
> on
> > their business trips.
>
> I was as run of the mill as they come...and even I
> took military air many times. Like I said..the
> militiary's training hours program can be used for
> many other purposes. If a pilot needs to fly 1000
> hours for training...why not give him/her a little
> cargo (human or otherwise) to move at the same
> time? The fact that you dont see it..doesnt mean
> it doesnt exist!

As a run of the mill government employee you would have no clue how much people like the Speaker pays for their flights. Why don't you shut the fuck up when you don't have a clue asshole. Maybe you can enlighten us as to how you made use of "military air" and where you flew to since you know so much about how they operate.

All I can say is, Fuck Copenhagen. Did anyone read that "Der Spiegel" piece on the climate talks? They were calling us greedy, simply because we as Americans don't want to hand the rest of the world our money for some BS. Bunch of Socialist shits they are.

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The use of military aircraft is very closely
> > monitored by the Defense Department..approval
> for their use has to come from a relatively very
> high level.

Such as, um, Speaker of the House of Representatives? Do you think DoD would say no to her?

> > The "cost" of using military can be
> > decieving..they fly a lot of training
> > hours...which technically means they would fly
> > empty or full...so filling up with passengers
> is of little extra expense.


The Copenhagen flights were not labeled as "for training" by anyone.


> > When wives and kids attend..they do so at their own expense.

Except when extra space is "available" or the room/car/etc. is already paid for.

> > These people are not stupid.

Correct, they know exactly what they can get away with.

>
>
> Yeah I listened...be more specific then a cheap
> shot. WHat did I miss? So, what if they stayed
> at fancy hotels...government employees are given a
> standard rate for hotels and meals..stay in a
> hotel that costs more then the per diem rate...you
> pay for it out of pocket. You get a standard rate
> for meals...wife and kids go...you pay for their
> meals.

That's not how it worked for the Copenhagen trip.

> Abuse of travel rgulations is the quickest
> way to find ytourself in jail...

They write their own rules. So technically, none were violated.

> I was as run of the mill as they come...

You have made that very clear over the past two years.

> and even I took military air many times.

That's either a lie or someone hated your ass. GS employees fly commercial, not Space A.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> All I can say is, Fuck Copenhagen. Did anyone read
> that "Der Spiegel" piece on the climate talks?
> They were calling us greedy, simply because we as
> Americans don't want to hand the rest of the world
> our money for some BS. Bunch of Socialist shits
> they are.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

While watching Fox News on saturday, one of the pundits was screaming about this. He ignored the other pundit who said Bush put the policy in place. He said "if she is worried about security, she can fly under an assumed name"

No one challenged this statement. I do not care if you are Gravis or the prince of Wales. It is highly illegal to fly under an assumed name. Joan rivers was detained at an airport in Panama recently for doing just that.

The British recently had a scandal where they Daily Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/ exposed bogus charges to spending accounts given to MPs. Some of them were buying extra homes, filing bogus claims, refinishing their kitchens/bathrooms, etc,etc with the money. After the exposure, there's now a bunch of 'inquiries' and changes to the way the expense accounts are audited. When this happened I thought..."I bet this is happening in the US too"

I wonder which news organization will make their name exposing this crap?

trogdor! Wrote:
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> The British recently had a scandal where they
> Daily Telegraph
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-exp
> enses/ exposed bogus charges to spending accounts
> given to MPs. Some of them were buying extra
> homes, filing bogus claims, refinishing their
> kitchens/bathrooms, etc,etc with the money. After
> the exposure, there's now a bunch of 'inquiries'
> and changes to the way the expense accounts are
> audited. When this happened I thought..."I bet
> this is happening in the US too"
>
> I wonder which news organization will make their
> name exposing this crap?


The odds are 100 to 1 that no laws were broken! It's just an easy target for commentators who have to say something 24/7.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Fuck Off, Vince(1)....

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> All I can say is, Fuck Copenhagen. Did anyone read
> that "Der Spiegel" piece on the climate talks?
> They were calling us greedy, simply because we as
> Americans don't want to hand the rest of the world
> our money for some BS. Bunch of Socialist shits
> they are.


I think the argument is that we disproportiontely use carbon based fuels...that we benifited from our Industrial Revolution without having to limit growth. It is the U.S. that is asking countries such as CHina..India...farmers in the Amazon to sacrifice their inividual benifit in order for the entire world to benifit. Seems to me we Modern Western countries) are the socialist and them the capitalist.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/02/2010 07:29PM by Vince(1).