This is kind of hilarious, but it just hurts too much to laugh.

The company that makes rifle scopes for the US military has been etching bible verses on all of it's scopes.

It seems some in the Pentagon know about this and don't seem to care and/or think it's a good thing. I'd hate to be a soldier in Iraq or Afganistan and get captured with a gun with bible verses etched into it.

Maybe this really is yet another war between religions. Yeah, it's true thousands will die, but don't worry, it's all part of God's glorious plan to have men kill each other over who can worship him the best.

Jesus loved sniper-rifles!

First of all who the fuck is that stupid bitch reporter? She really sucks.
Secondly this is a non-issue.
•Don't like the numbers on the guns?
DON'T BUY THEM.
•Offended by the numbers that rapresent Bible passages?
STOP READING THE BIBLE AND YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS MEAN.

Stoopid Libs.
Where the fuck is that birth certificate?

Non-ISSUE Wrote:
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> First of all who the fuck is that stupid bitch
> reporter? She really sucks.
> Secondly this is a non-issue.
> •Don't like the numbers on the guns?
> DON'T BUY THEM.

It's the government that's buying them to the tune of $660 million worth, that's the problem. Not to mention its dangerous for the troops and only pissing off the muslims even more.


> •Offended by the numbers that rapresent Bible
> passages?
> STOP READING THE BIBLE AND YOU WON'T KNOW WHAT THE
> NUMBERS MEAN.

I'm assuming this reply is satire and that you can't be serious.



> Stoopid Libs.
> Where the fuck is that birth certificate?

Oh dear

Let's all rally behind Jesus and kill people!

Numbers wrote:
I'd hate to be a soldier in Iraq or Afganistan and get captured with a gun with bible verses etched into it.
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Actually, you might be better off.

They'd probably chop your head off faster than they would the guy whose gun had "Allahu Akbar" etched into it.

Meeper, it's funny you say that, because we don't rally behind Jesus. In fact, nowhere on our currency does it say Jesus' name.
So in effect we and the Muslims are fighting over the same "God" being that the only thing that ever seperated "Christianity" from all other divinities is "Christ" himself and the idea that salvation is not recieved through works but through belief that your sins are to grave to be "made up for" and this is why God offered a piece of himself to give us a "Chance in hell" at eternal life.
Otherwise this idiotic War Planet mentality is what you get deviod of belief Christ.

I hope everyone here gets to know the awesome power of God and knowing him through his messenger he sent here about 2000 years ago.

I dedicate this story to you, Not a Message just a Sermon.

Judy went down to the basement where the teen bible study group met. Her friend Kathy and two other girls, Debbie and Pammy Jo, waited. Apparently they were to be the only attendees this Sunday.

“Well,” Judy began, “I’m it today, the teacher. The deacon’s wife is sick. I didn’t get much notice but I did bring some examples.”

“Examples of what?” Debbie asked innocently.

“Examples of what Reverend Bragg preached about in his sermon. Will get to that. First, does anybody have any questions?”

“Isn’t there a Judy in the bible? Judge Judy or something like that?”

“No Debbie, that’s a TV show, you dummy!” Pammy Jo blurted. “There is a judge in the bible but I doubt she was as blond as you. Sheep, so many sheep.”

“Pammy Jo is correct,” Judy responded. “There is a book of Judith in the Apocrapha. The Catholics have it in their bibles but we don’t. Judith, a beautiful widow, charmed this dude named Holofernes and beheaded him after he got drunk and passed out. She was a hero. But enough of that, any questions about today’s sermon?”

“Yes, I didn’t get it,” Debbie spoke up. “What was Pastor Jim talking about?”

“Did you understand Pammy Jo?” Judy asked.

“Masturbation. Dildos.”

“Pammy Jo is correct. We could play a little show and tell, Debbie,” Judy offered, “so you can fully understand the concept.”

“Goody, I haven’t played show and tell since first grade.”

“Debbie, do you love Jesus?” Judy inquired seriously.

“Yes!”

Judy pulled Jesus from her purse, both of them. She had Baby Jesus and Jackhammer Jesus. She also had Moses and The Devil and Virgin Mary and Buddha’s Delight and the Grim Reaper and Judas.

“This is all about divine intervention,” Judy explained. “You will notice that these silicone dildos have a flared base so you can attach them to a harness.”

Debbie stared at Jesus and the others in awe and amazement. Pammy Jo just smiled.

“Kathy,” Judy suggested, “show the girls how to accept Jesus as your personal savior.”

“I already know!” Pammy Jo squealed.

Pammy Jo quickly stood, wiggled out of her tight slacks and removed her white cotton panties.

“Now pay attention, Debbie, and I’ll tell and show you how to accept Jesus.”

Pammy Jo reclined on the couch and began to finger herself.

Our society has a vested interest in there being no god!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I look at it this way, if the soldier is killed, loses his rifle, or has some thought to smuggle weapons to the Taliban folks - they wouldn't use these weapons. It isn't like they are handing these out to the locals, like say if they were all carrying around boxes of Bibles to pass out.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> I look at it this way, if the soldier is killed,
> loses his rifle, or has some thought to smuggle
> weapons to the Taliban folks - they wouldn't use
> these weapons.

Oh, I doubt that. Give me two minutes with a Dremel, and it'll be like the Bible reference never existed.

My problem with this whole issue is, the contractor is NOT providing what the government asked and paid for. Nobody asked them to make these changes to the order, but they did so anyway. Sure, it's no problem with a rifle scope, but I wouldn't want some Bible thumper getting creative with the hydraulics on a fighter jet.

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They did similar things to bombs and missiles I believe. You would have to check for sure, but I don't doubt many of our munitions have interesting messages inscribed on them by the contractors/manufacturers.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

And lets just put this in perspective - the manufacturer used it as part of the part number for their items. It isn't like they printed a bible verse on the items. What, the Muslim guy looks down, sees the cryptic part number reference and suddenly remembers the Christian bible verse it references?

This is a lot of news about... nothing. Great investigative reporting and making an issue out of nothing. Brilliant - this was a very important story to look into. LOL.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

How can you not find just a little irony and humor when someone recites,

"Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, 'I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life,'" according to the King James version of the Bible.

Then shoots someone in the head and kills them. LOL.

Update: New Zealand will now remove all the inscriptions from any weapon used in Afganistan.



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It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan. I liked the sniper.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan. I liked the
> sniper.


Didn't do him much good in the end. He was vaporized in the church tower.

Yes well, sniper versus tank, not much doubt in that outcome, especially when there are a lot of tanks.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Mr. "Your not evem trying anymore",

That was a superbly written piece that had me on the edge of my seat from start to finish. The cleverly thought out dialogue left the reader with a sense of human-value mixed with dignity and accomplishment. I could not hold back a tear while reading the wholesome religious message that the author so cunningly conveyed.

Bravo. Truly a five star post!
*****

>What, the Muslim guy looks down, sees the cryptic part number reference and suddenly remembers the Christian bible verse it references?<

True dat. It would be utterly cryptic to someone who speaks and writes Arabic.

The company that did it was misguided, in my view; their approach reflects a very dubious theology.

Also, it's a technical, de minimus violation of the First Amendment, probably.

But the greater scandal is the loudmouths and publicity whores - Michael "Mikey" Weinstein, ABC News, etc. - who have publicized it.

If there's any damage or blowback in the Islamic world, it will be their actions that caused it.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Our society has a vested interest in there being
> no god!

This from someone who wouldn't know an M-16 if someone shoved it
up his 4-F behind.:)

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Jesus loved sniper-rifles!


Love Thy Neighbor...after you blow his fucking head off.

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Numbers Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan. I liked
> the
> > sniper.
>
>
> Didn't do him much good in the end. He was
> vaporized in the church tower.


If only he had that Jesus scope...




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.Jerry.Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
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> > Our society has a vested interest in there
> being
> > no god!
>
> This from someone who wouldn't know an M-16 if
> someone shoved it
> up his 4-F behind.:)


And you too are proof of our sick society. Asi fi know ing the difference between weapons is anything to be proud of. Grow up Gravis!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan. I liked the
> sniper.


Any social misfit would!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > It reminds me of Saving Private Ryan. I liked
> the
> > sniper.
>
>
> Any social misfit would!


LOL!

Thats not the real issue. What you DONT know is, on every one of those Dr Pepper cans is a quote from the great Satan herself, Hillary Clinton. THAT would get you killed faster than any bible verse.

Numbers Wrote:
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> This is kind of hilarious, but it just hurts too
> much to laugh.
>
> The company that makes rifle scopes for the US
> military has been etching bible verses on all of
> it's scopes.
>
> It seems some in the Pentagon know about this and
> don't seem to care and/or think it's a good thing.
> I'd hate to be a soldier in Iraq or Afganistan and
> get captured with a gun with bible verses etched
> into it.
>
> Maybe this really is yet another war between
> religions. Yeah, it's true thousands will die, but
> don't worry, it's all part of God's glorious plan
> to have men kill each other over who can worship
> him the best.
>
>


It was so inconspicuous, that I'm surprised anyone even noticed it. It's embedded at the end of the serial number, and therefore it doesn't even standout. The guy who brought this up all over ABC News, is some Jew schmuck who I guess would somehow prefer a Torah attached to the box magazines. Pop-a-Clip Torahs, and Pop-a-Clip for Yahweh (They could even make the mag. like a Pez Dispenser, but with bullets instead of candy).

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
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> > Jesus loved sniper-rifles!
>
>
> Love Thy Neighbor...after you blow his fucking
> head off.


It's a whole lot easier to love a psychotic, armed, and screaming raghead, once they've been put out of commission.

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Numbers Wrote:
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> Non-ISSUE Wrote:
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> > First of all who the fuck is that stupid bitch
> > reporter? She really sucks.
> > Secondly this is a non-issue.
> > •Don't like the numbers on the guns?
> > DON'T BUY THEM.
>
> It's the government that's buying them to the tune
> of $660 million worth, that's the problem. Not to
> mention its dangerous for the troops and only
> pissing off the muslims even more.
>
>

Once someone has flown planes into your buildings, and they're shooting at you and blowing you up on the battlefield, can you possibly make them any angrier, and if so, what more could the consequences possibly be? Are you afraid that they'll try to kill you double as dead?

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"And if any women or children get their legs torn off, or faces caved in, well, it's tough shit for them." -2LT. Bert Stiles, 505th, 339th (On Berlin Bombardier Mission, 1944).

Just another NON-ISSUE for the simpleton Libs to fixate on for a while that's all. If I was the manufacturer, I'd refuse to make any alterations also, even if it meant I had to shed a big contract or two. Especially since it doesn't affect the FIREABILITY of the weapon.
On second thought, maybe the numerical representation of random Biblical passages might calm a devoutly religous soldier during the heat of battle. So much so as to put him into a Shaman-like state of mind transcending reality, in effect making the ordinary soldier a crack-shot.

Dem Cock Goblins Wrote:
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> On second thought, maybe the numerical
> representation of random Biblical passages might
> calm a devoutly religous soldier during the heat
> of battle. So much so as to put him into a
> Shaman-like state of mind transcending reality, in
> effect making the ordinary soldier a crack-shot.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard, and I have heard a LOT of dumb things in my time.

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Was a joke.....I would call you an idiot, but I don't want to summons Vince(1) by accident.

Ha Ha! Wrote:
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> Was a joke.....I would call you an idiot, but I
> don't want to summons Vince(1) by accident.

Oh, thank God.

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But the first part,

>Just another NON-ISSUE for the simpleton Libs to fixate on for a while that's all. If I was the manufacturer, I'd refuse to make any alterations also, even if it meant I had to shed a big contract or two. Especially since it doesn't affect the FIREABILITY of the weapon.

- this part was not a joke.

Dem Cock Goblins Wrote:
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> Just another NON-ISSUE for the simpleton Libs to
> fixate on for a while that's all. If I was the
> manufacturer, I'd refuse to make any alterations
> also, even if it meant I had to shed a big
> contract or two. Especially since it doesn't
> affect the FIREABILITY of the weapon.


It's certainly not a "non-issue." At the same time, I don't think the DoD response should be draconian. I think the manufacturer should be given an option; stop engraving the inscriptions or undergo a DoD audit on the contract and see how much of the money can be recovered since the manufacturer didn't comply with the agreement in the first place.

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+1,000,000,000,000,000 for the Department of Defense and thier Drakonian motives!

-If I was the manufacturer I would have offered up your suggestion already myself. Rather than entertain such a Trivial Bombastic Point and Issue.

WTL, it's still a pointless non-issue(and you know it). Drakonian, heh.

It is NOT a non issue. Far from it. For all you patriotic George Bush loving, "in God We trust" is in the US Constitution believing people, how can you be so naive?

OK GWB went to great lengths to let the world know that this was not a war on Muslims. Then these self-serving profiteering idiots put references to Jesus on the guns we are using in Muslim countries? Bad PR to say the least.

To put it in perspective: Do not think of this war, think of the next war, and the one after that. This is what the Generals do. What we establish as ok for this war will be a rallying cry for the next war.

It is not a war on Muslims? Look at the guns for Christ's sake (pun intended).

The people who had instituted this idiotic policy to bring Jesus to the battlefield should go to jail for the rest of their lives. To put our troops in danger like that for their own satisfaction (and to make money off it) is beyond reprehensible.

Say goodbye to the Jesus Scope.
Update from todays Washington Post.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/21/AR2010012102637.html?hpid=sec-nation

Numbers Wrote:
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> Say goodbye to the Jesus Scope.
> Update from todays Washington Post.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/artic
> le/2010/01/21/AR2010012102637.html?hpid=sec-nation


This will make Militant Jesus cry...



On the Third Day he rose again. And this time, it's personal.

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It seems that the Almighty dollar is more important to Trijicon than the Almighty Jesus.

That's a shocker!

Numbers Wrote:
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> It seems that the Almighty dollar is more
> important to Trijicon than the Almighty Jesus.
>
> That's a shocker!


I'm sure they will thank Jesus when the next check shows up.

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When I order an ACOG in the near future, I'm going to have Trijicon custom print a coded Biblical passage of my choosing. Let's see how much a custom "Jesus Scope" costs.

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
>
> On the Third Day he rose again. And this time,
> it's personal.


LOL

Blessed are the murderous.
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Forgive them father, for they know not what they do. They be pissin' off the baddest Mother Fucker who ever walked the Earth!

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"Knock knock"
-"Who's there?"
"Redemption".

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Radiophile Wrote:
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> It is NOT a non issue. Far from it. For all you
> patriotic George Bush loving, "in God We trust" is
> in the US Constitution believing people, how can
> you be so naive?
>
> OK GWB went to great lengths to let the world know
> that this was not a war on Muslims. Then these
> self-serving profiteering idiots put references to
> Jesus on the guns we are using in Muslim
> countries? Bad PR to say the least.
>
> To put it in perspective: Do not think of this
> war, think of the next war, and the one after
> that. This is what the Generals do. What we
> establish as ok for this war will be a rallying
> cry for the next war.
>
> It is not a war on Muslims? Look at the guns for
> Christ's sake (pun intended).
>
> The people who had instituted this idiotic policy
> to bring Jesus to the battlefield should go to
> jail for the rest of their lives. To put our
> troops in danger like that for their own
> satisfaction (and to make money off it) is beyond
> reprehensible.

Maybe you should check your history. They have been inscribing these sights since LONG before the war on terror started.

Statement from Trijicon, Inc.
http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm?whats_newID=169#169

Quote

Statement from Trijicon, Inc.
Wednesday, January 20, 2010—For two generations Trijicon, a Michigan-based family owned business, has been working to provide America’s military men and women with high quality, innovative sighting systems for the weapons they use. Our effort is simple and straightforward: to help our servicemen and women win the war on terror and come home safe to their families. As part of our faith and our belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put scripture references on our products for more than two decades. As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation.

But of course, it is always about Bush, and wars on Islam - which this is not. But feel free to play into it as if you have a REAL issue to grind.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Unless those Biblical inscriptions cause jihadists to burst into flames when the scopes are pointed at them, they serve no practical purpose.

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God is a bullet, have mercy on us everyone...



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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Unless those Biblical inscriptions cause jihadists
> to burst into flames when the scopes are pointed
> at them, they serve no practical purpose.

So war is "practical" now? Seriously, the only folks who really give a shit are the jack-asses that have nothing better to do with themselves then to sit around and pick their asses while they worry about what everyone else is doing.

The company didn't make the scopes to pick out Muslims - they just happen to have a strong belief in God and decided that they (a privately held company) would add scripture references to the serial numbers of their equipment. Just because folks don't believe in God, what, is the addition of a couple of extra letters going to make them go up in flames if they just touch the scopes? Maybe they are vampires and fearful of touching something with a holy reference. Oh My God! LOL

Seriously - the government had little or nothing to do with that, other than the fact that these folks made decent scopes and they had a good price. The government did not tell them to write scripture references on the things now did they? My advice to the manufacturer, make up a code and then use that code on the rifles to represent the scripture references anyway. No one will know what the hell the code means, but the manufacturer will have satisfied their desire to make equipment to their standards - not to some folks worried about how a scope on a rifle might have some impact on their worries about the government mixing it up with religion. LOL what a bunch of fucknuts you all are :)

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Jesus can pack and M-4 if he wants, but God carries an AK-47

http://markc1.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/07/08/god_almighty_sm.jpg

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> So war is "practical" now? Seriously, the only
> folks who really give a shit are the jack-asses
> that have nothing better to do with themselves
> then to sit around and pick their asses while they
> worry about what everyone else is doing.
>
> The company didn't make the scopes to pick out
> Muslims - they just happen to have a strong belief
> in God and decided that they (a privately held
> company) would add scripture references to the
> serial numbers of their equipment. Just because
> folks don't believe in God, what, is the addition
> of a couple of extra letters going to make them go
> up in flames if they just touch the scopes? Maybe
> they are vampires and fearful of touching
> something with a holy reference. Oh My God! LOL
>
> Seriously - the government had little or nothing
> to do with that, other than the fact that these
> folks made decent scopes and they had a good
> price. The government did not tell them to write
> scripture references on the things now did they?
> My advice to the manufacturer, make up a code and
> then use that code on the rifles to represent the
> scripture references anyway. No one will know what
> the hell the code means, but the manufacturer will
> have satisfied their desire to make equipment to
> their standards - not to some folks worried about
> how a scope on a rifle might have some impact on
> their worries about the government mixing it up
> with religion. LOL what a bunch of fucknuts you
> all are :)


Why even bother putting biblical references on weapons and weaponry in the first place? Do you think Jesus would approve of this?

I can kinda understand selling this equipment to the general public, where one has a choice to accept it or not, but no way should the US government purchase anything that points towards a particular religion.

How would you feel if they had quranic or scientology verses on them? If you're going to have one religions verses, you need to have all of them, or none of them.

Why does the all powerful god need anyone to protect him? Can't he handle his own business of killing people? He's done it well for thousands of years and has a great record so far. Instead, let's kill god and let us sort it out.



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If the government was manufacturing the scopes, then no, they should have no reference to anything religious on them. Since they are purchasing them from a private supplier, it is irrelevant. I imagine many of the weapons manufactured in middle eastern Muslim countries (assuming they make any of their own) are inscribed with religious phrases as a general rule.

God has been called upon by believers for centuries to smite their enemies. I am sure it will go on long after you are dead and buried.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Yeah like being a Christian all of sudden constitutes "Anti-Muslim" attacks. Gimme a break. Of course this company just like all the rest are out to make money, and lots of it, so them giving into the idiocy is not surprising to say the least.

Registered Voter, you had a great idea. So how are these assholes going to sleep at night knowing that the new serial numbers will have encrypted Bible passages they can't COMPLAIN about?

It's nice to know that Muslims are so scared of Jesus and Christianity as a whole, that they make issues out of what's printed on the guns their millitant islamic muslim extremist asses get shot and killed with.
What? You guys afraid you won't get all 72 virgins if you are killed with one of the weapons?

Like firing silver bullets at werewolves.

"Oh no Allah, help me, I was just shot with a rifle that had a Bible-etched scope on it! Oh the horror! I am getting cold... where are my virgins!! Allllaaaahhhh don't forsake meeeeeeee!!!"

lol

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> If the government was manufacturing the scopes,
> then no, they should have no reference to anything
> religious on them. Since they are purchasing them
> from a private supplier, it is irrelevant. I
> imagine many of the weapons manufactured in middle
> eastern Muslim countries (assuming they make any
> of their own) are inscribed with religious phrases
> as a general rule.


You have no clue how stupid you are.

To be a supplier to the Federal Government, and accept the money, you must follow the rules of procurement and the laws of the land.

The rules prohibit religious references to be placed on virtually all the items the Federal Government buys. Work for the Government and you cant even say "have a blessed day".

Frankly, this is how it should be. I don't want my tax dollars going to support the wrong religion - so let us keep them away from all religions.

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > If the government was manufacturing the scopes,
> > then no, they should have no reference to
> anything
> > religious on them. Since they are purchasing
> them
> > from a private supplier, ...blah, blah, blah...
>
> You have no clue how stupid you are.


You have to forgive RV. He's become the Republican Vince.

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Perhaps the government procurement folks should have done a bit better checking of their dotted i's and crossed t's then before they decided to award that contract, huh?

I am not the one that made the decision to buy these scopes, nor am I the one who made them. Those folks have to live with their "contractual" issues. Maybe you should take it up with the Pentagon? Oh wait, they did that didn't they? All I have pointed out is, how stupid it is to worry about BS like this. Because yes, seriously, it is stupid, and it is BS. But hey, you all keep getting your panties up in a twist about it :) It is funny as shit to watch, yet again.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

RV = Republican Vince

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> You have to forgive RV. He's become the Republican
> Vince.

Poor WTL.

I have done nothing to be forgiven for. And there is nothing you can say or show that proves I am anything like Vince, in any singular way - other then the fact that we both post on this forum. You on the other hand - yes, you are starting down the road lined with delusions. You might want to step back before you are consumed by them.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

RV = Republican Vince

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WTL - becoming a troll.

Nice.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WTL - becoming a troll.
>
> Nice.


Using the tactics of Vince(1), eh, Republican Vince?

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WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTL - becoming a troll.
> >
> > Nice.
>
>
> Using the tactics of Vince(1), eh, Republican
> Vince?

I think you need to look in a mirror WTL. Not sure what form of crack you are on today, but you are definitely barking up the wrong tree. You might want to find some other fire hydrant to water.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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> I think you need to look in a mirror WTL. Not sure
> what form of crack you are on today, but you are
> definitely barking up the wrong tree. You might
> want to find some other fire hydrant to water.


You sound angry, Republican Vince. Better watch out, or people might confuse you with Vince.

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What, have you taken a "BB vs eesh" pill today? LOL

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Republican Vince Wrote:
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> What, have you taken a "BB vs eesh" pill today?
> LOL


I haven't taken anything, RV. Just your Republican Vince paranoia showing.

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LOL - indeed - whatever you say WTL. Please, don't let me get in your way.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Republican Vince Wrote:
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> LOL - indeed.


Did you just crack a joke to yourself, RV?

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What you are proposing is anarchy! ANARCHY I say!

Numbers Wrote:
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> Instead,
> let's kill god and let us sort it out.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Like firing silver bullets at werewolves.
>
> "Oh no Allah, help me, I was just shot with a
> rifle that had a Bible-etched scope on it! Oh the
> horror! I am getting cold... where are my
> virgins!! Allllaaaahhhh don't forsake
> meeeeeeee!!!"
>
> lol


Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw placing his bullets into a can of spam before loading them into his mag. He said that it would ensure every muji he hits burns in Hell.

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ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw placing
> his bullets into a can of spam before loading them
> into his mag. He said that it would ensure every
> muji he hits burns in Hell.

It doesn't work that way. Sorry.

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MrMephisto Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> -----
> > Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw
> placing
> > his bullets into a can of spam before loading
> them
> > into his mag. He said that it would ensure
> every
> > muji he hits burns in Hell.
>
> It doesn't work that way. Sorry.

Mephisto is right. For that to work, the soldier would have to put his bullets in something that is actually part ham.

jhey Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > ThePackLeader Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw
> > placing
> > > his bullets into a can of spam before loading
> > them
> > > into his mag. He said that it would ensure
> > every
> > > muji he hits burns in Hell.
> >
> > It doesn't work that way. Sorry.
>
> Mephisto is right. For that to work, the soldier
> would have to put his bullets in something that is
> actually part ham.

That's not exactly what I meant...

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ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw placing
> his bullets into a can of spam before loading them
> into his mag. He said that it would ensure every
> muji he hits burns in Hell.


Yeah, great idea. I can just imagine being in a fire fight and my weapon jamming because its got bits of spam in the barrel.

Numbers Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
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>
> > Lol, it reminds me of a soldier whom I saw
> placing
> > his bullets into a can of spam before loading
> them
> > into his mag. He said that it would ensure
> every
> > muji he hits burns in Hell.
>
>
> Yeah, great idea. I can just imagine being in a
> fire fight and my weapon jamming because its got
> bits of spam in the barrel.


No shit. M-16s especially have a reputation for being shit if they aren't kept clean.

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LOL, any soldier who spends time dipping bullets into something so that people "go to hell" when they die, is fucking dumbass. I mean seriously, how stupid is that??

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> LOL, any soldier who spends time dipping bullets
> into something so that people "go to hell" when
> they die, is fucking dumbass. I mean seriously,
> how stupid is that??


LOL, just as stupid as dipping one's keyboard into a kettle of "k" before posting...eh, conVince?

....or as stupid as Vince(r) just posting his special brand of Spam 400x/day. No dipping required, I guess.

See what I did there?

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TheMeeper Wrote:
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> LOL, any soldier who spends time dipping bullets
> into something so that people "go to hell" when
> they die, is fucking dumbass. I mean seriously,
> how stupid is that??


They're called 11Bs (11 bravos.) I knew some that put large rocks on ammo belts just so they could watch them disintegrate when fed into machine guns.

Blessed are the murderous.

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> I knew some that
> put large rocks on ammo belts just so they could
> watch them disintegrate when fed into machine
> guns.


Goofing around I can understand, but actually believing that someone is going to hell after you shoot them with a spam-covered bullet is retarded.

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> > I knew some that
> > put large rocks on ammo belts just so they
> could
> > watch them disintegrate when fed into machine
> > guns.
>
>
> Goofing around I can understand, but actually
> believing that someone is going to hell after you
> shoot them with a spam-covered bullet is retarded.


Not as stupid as believing that you'll be the Hugh Hefner of Heaven because you blew yourself up.

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TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Goofing around I can understand, but actually
> believing that someone is going to hell after you
> shoot them with a spam-covered bullet is retarded.


I'll take it one more step and say that anyone that thinks there's a hell (or heaven) is retarded.
Those that dip bullets in spam are actually more retarded.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
>
> I'll take it one more step and say that anyone
> that thinks there's a hell (or heaven) is
> retarded.


And what do you believe Numbers?

Blessed are the murderous.

Even if those people are using hell (or heaven) as a metaphor to represent a time, place, or state of mind?

Numbers Wrote:
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> I'll take it one more step and say that anyone
> that thinks there's a hell (or heaven) is
> retarded.
> Those that dip bullets in spam are actually more
> retarded.

There is no evidence to suggest we go anywhere. Matter doesn't disappear, it simply gets shuffled around. We're all part of everything, and when we die the matter that makes us simply goes on to make other stuff. We don't need heaven or hell or gods and angels. We just have to be happy with what we have and enjoy the finite time we have here.

As Carl Sagan once said, "If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe".

You couldn't even customize your well-rehearsed mantra to make it applicable to my question?

I was talking about using heaven as a metaphor for a certain time, place, or state of mind... on Earth... DURING a lifetime...

Or were you responding to eesh's question?

Numbers Wrote:
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> There is no evidence to suggest we go anywhere.
> Matter doesn't disappear, it simply gets shuffled
> around.
> We're all part of everything, and when we
> die the matter that makes us simply goes on to
> make other stuff.
We don't need heaven or hell or
> gods and angels. We just have to be happy with
> what we have and enjoy the finite time we have
> here.
>
> As Carl Sagan once said, "If you wish to make an
> apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the
> universe".

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> You couldn't even customize your well-rehearsed
> mantra to make it applicable to my question?
>
> I was talking about using heaven as a metaphor for
> a certain time, place, or state of mind... on
> Earth... DURING a lifetime...
>
> Or were you responding to eesh's question?


Relax, I was gonna get to your question and call called away.

Now then, sure, I'm okay with people using a metaphoric sense of the words heaven and hell. For example, living in a concentration camp could easily be considered hell in that sense. Blowing my load down Misty Mundae's throat would be heaven for me.

I'm not sure I understand the relevance of your question though.
A metaphoric version of heaven and hell can be anything thats either pleasurable or nightmarish. It's different things for different people, whereas the biblical or quranic versions are pretty well documented and require certain rules and behavior to enter into.

Biblical heaven and hell are simply there to control the masses and keep people frightened into keeping religion alive and the power structure in place.

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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > LOL, any soldier who spends time dipping
> bullets
> > into something so that people "go to hell" when
> > they die, is fucking dumbass. I mean
> seriously,
> > how stupid is that??
>
>
> LOL, just as stupid as dipping one's keyboard into
> a kettle of "k" before posting...eh, conVince?
>
> ....or as stupid as Vince(r) just posting his
> special brand of Spam 400x/day. No dipping
> required, I guess.
>
> See what I did there?

Yeah, you demonstrated how much of your normal, lack of anything meaningful to post self, has not changed.

You are pretty much worthless as a human being aren't you? Because honestly, you offer nothing except endless piffle in your lack-o-wit commentary. You have yet to do much on the original thought front - mainly you are just a pale reflection of what other people say or think. But you keep up the good fight for side-kicks there FF - one day you might be a real superhero too.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Numbers Wrote:
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> There is no evidence to suggest we go anywhere.
> Matter doesn't disappear, it simply gets shuffled
> around. We're all part of everything, and when we
> die the matter that makes us simply goes on to
> make other stuff. We don't need heaven or hell or
> gods and angels. We just have to be happy with
> what we have and enjoy the finite time we have
> here.
>
> As Carl Sagan once said, "If you wish to make an
> apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the
> universe".

I'll give you that Numbers. There is nothing anywhere that suggests we physically manifest anything in an "afterlife". But there is an energy, process - coherency to what we do in our everyday lives without a doubt. And we have to admit, there is still a lot about the universe we know little about - in particular how energy and matter interact at certain levels. Sure, we "know" a lot of physical things - but we still are just on the cutting edge of understanding. Hell, in the measure of time we can hardly say that we know everything - that is for sure. Look at technology and techniques they "rediscover" from time to time - things that folks in the past could do, and we cannot understand how they could have possibly had the understanding to do some of those things.

Absolutely - people thinking that putting spam on their bullets will make any sort of difference is pure horseshit. But letting your enemy know you are doing it might give them pause - especially if they DO believe it :) The folks that blow themselves up to kill innocent women and children with bombs on buses and such - those folks are seriously much more delusional. So the question is, do we teach our kids to not be afraid of death, to embrace their eventual death, or to just accept the fact that they will cease to exist at some point in time? Which lesson do you think kids will adjust to best as they are growing up?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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> I'll give you that Numbers. There is nothing
> anywhere that suggests we physically manifest
> anything in an "afterlife". But there is an
> energy, process - coherency to what we do in our
> everyday lives without a doubt. And we have to
> admit, there is still a lot about the universe we
> know little about - in particular how energy and
> matter interact at certain levels. Sure, we "know"
> a lot of physical things - but we still are just
> on the cutting edge of understanding. Hell, in the
> measure of time we can hardly say that we know
> everything - that is for sure. Look at technology
> and techniques they "rediscover" from time to time
> - things that folks in the past could do, and we
> cannot understand how they could have possibly had
> the understanding to do some of those things.


That's right. The fact that we don't know everything is what drives us on. Humans have always been curious what lies around the next corner. So we explore and find out, but theres always another question(s). That's the beauty of it to me. I love knowing how shit really works. Part of the problem I have with religions is they explain (in their own bizarre way) how everything was made, what we're supposed to do, what happens when we die, etc....

So far, we've proven, through actual science that most of it is wrong. We know the Earth is around 4.8 billion years old, not 6000 yo like the Old Testament proclaims. We know we evolved and continue to evolve and the the Earth isn't flat. We know a lot of stuff, but we've only scratched the surface. I'd hate to see us get blown to smithereens by some religious nutjob because he thinks it's for our own good or because of some ancient story about a kid climbing out of a well.

I'd like to see us eventually build starships and tool around the universe and keep the planet(s) in livable condition. I'd like to see everyone forget Jesus and Mohammed and all the other gods, like we did with Zeus and Ra and all the others and get on with living instead of worrying so much about dying.


> Absolutely - people thinking that putting spam on
> their bullets will make any sort of difference is
> pure horseshit. But letting your enemy know you
> are doing it might give them pause - especially if
> they DO believe it :) The folks that blow
> themselves up to kill innocent women and children
> with bombs on buses and such - those folks are
> seriously much more delusional. So the question
> is, do we teach our kids to not be afraid of
> death, to embrace their eventual death, or to just
> accept the fact that they will cease to exist at
> some point in time? Which lesson do you think kids
> will adjust to best as they are growing up?


The lesson kids will learn and understand the best is the truth and how to find the truth. They need to be taught how to sift through all the bullshit and to live their lives the best way they can. Be yourself and don't drag yourself down to others levels.



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I think humans are hard wired to believe in a higher being than themselves. Every culture, no matter how isolated, has developed some sort of religion, some sort of deity to worship.

Sure there are atheists and agnostics, but as the saying goes, there is no such thing as an atheist on a crashing plane. Atheism is more if a rebellion against society than it is a personal choice.

Blessed are the murderous.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> I'd like to see everyone forget
> Jesus and Mohammed and all the other gods, like we
> did with Zeus and Ra and all the others and get on
> with living instead of worrying so much about
> dying.


What about Xerxes?


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Blessed are the murderous.
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> I think humans are hard wired to believe in a
> higher being than themselves. Every culture, no
> matter how isolated, has developed some sort of
> religion, some sort of deity to worship.

Not hard wired, but indoctrinated at a very young age in most cases. In areas where religion isn't pushed, it far less likely to stick. Most people do what their parents tell them to do and if religion is one of those things then they do it. Many people simply don't have the courage to even question it because of the Orwellian thought police. The ones that do sit back and think about it usually realize how silly it all is.



> Sure there are atheists and agnostics, but as the
> saying goes, there is no such thing as an atheist
> on a crashing plane. Atheism is more if a
> rebellion against society than it is a personal
> choice.


Tell that to Captain Scully who piloted the plane into the Hudson River. He didn't panic or start praying. He assessed the situation and calmly and rationally landed the plane without any thought of god or prayer.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
>
> Tell that to Captain Scully who piloted the plane
> into the Hudson River. He didn't panic or start
> praying. He assessed the situation and calmly and
> rationally landed the plane without any thought of
> god or prayer.


I never watched his interviews, did he specifically say that he is an atheist?

Blessed are the murderous.

This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me my rifle is useless. Without my rifle, I am useless. I must fire my rifle true. I must shoot straighter than the enemy who is trying to kill me. I must shoot him before he shoots me. I will. My rifle and I know that what counts in war is not the rounds we fire, the noise of our burst, or the smoke we make. We know that it is the hits that count. We will hit.

My rifle is human, even as I am human, because it is my life. Thus, I will learn it as a brother. I will learn its weaknesses, its strengths, its parts, its accessories, its sights and its barrel. I will keep my rifle clean and ready, even as I am clean and ready. We will become part of each other.

Before God I swear this creed. My rifle and I are the defenders of my country. We are the masters of our enemy. We are the saviors of my life.

So be it, until victory is America's and there is no enemy.

Numbers Wrote:
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> Tell that to Captain Scully who piloted the plane
> into the Hudson River. He didn't panic or start
> praying. He assessed the situation and calmly and
> rationally landed the plane without any thought of god or prayer.


Thank goodness.

If I'd been the pilot, I would have left the cockpit and started running wildly through the plane .... screaming, knocking down flight attendants, telling passengers they were all going to die... and then, after collapsing on the floor, and while having a grand mal seizure, I would have been speaking in tongues.



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Me, I would've broke out into a violent masturbation frenzy. Once I blew my load, I would've left the cock-pit and asked the flight crew and passengers if they would like to join me in one last whack-off session. When we all climaxed and the planes interior cabin walls were full of jizz, I would have bid the crew and passengers a farewell as I opened up the plane door, instantly depressurizing the cabin, sucking us all out of the plane in an instant. Of course I would not die. I would be the only motherfucker on board wearing a parachute.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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>

>
> Maybe you should check your history. They have
> been inscribing these sights since LONG before the
> war on terror started.
>
> Statement from Trijicon, Inc.
> http://www.trijicon.com/whats_new.cfm?whats_newID=
> 169#169
>
>
> Statement from Trijicon, Inc.
> Wednesday, January 20, 2010—For two generations
> Trijicon, a Michigan-based family owned business,
> has been working to provide America’s military men
> and women with high quality, innovative sighting
> systems for the weapons they use. Our effort is
> simple and straightforward: to help our servicemen
> and women win the war on terror and come home safe
> to their families. As part of our faith and our
> belief in service to our country, Trijicon has put
> scripture references on our products for more than
> two decades. As long as we have men and women in
> danger, we will continue to do everything we can
> to provide them with both state-of-the-art
> technology and the never-ending support and
> prayers of a grateful nation.

What does that have to do with thew argument? If you are trying to make a point, you failed.

Numbers Wrote:
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>
> I'll take it one more step and say that anyone
> that thinks there's a hell (or heaven) is
> retarded.
> Those that dip bullets in spam are actually more
> retarded.

That was sort of my point. Everything about the story is so entirely stupid it's mind-boggling.