http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

That reminds me...I'm all out PANCAKE syrup.

Also by illegal construction laborers who didn't follow instructions. So, it's only partially trump's fault.

dukum

The current conspiracy theory is: causes released by contractors are fake news, Florida use an asian "international" group for design engineering to save money: the asians are not in usa and were not subject to any USA standards. FL signed off on it. This is why we can't find the bridge's plans online (in english)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/2825873.html

story is being buried too quickly. there is likely some truth to the many conspiracy theories mentioned.

it's important to uncover all causes - not just hear "a guy overtightened a nut" and assume the truth is out and forget all about it. you'll always hear some story about a worker being at fault if your a consumer of the first thing your told

story is being buried too quickly

the cost of concrete

144ft x 12 ft x 1 ft = 229,824 lb concrete (over 100 tons), or maybe 200 tons (two decks of 1ft deep floor)

the price would be just $22,000 - $44,000 if buying from HOME DEPOT, but this was commercial so the price would be lower


144 ft 12 bars/ft very roughly another $44k in rebar retail

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So I would say "the part of the bridge we saw on the ground: concrete and rebar", would be

LESS THAN $100,000 in material for the span (end points not included)

The bridge's "budget" was $14.5 million. NOT INCLUDING project over-runs - which is currently OVER-RUN due to "problems". (the cost of 145 spans as mentioned above)

where there is money (about $14.4 million in "fees", say minus $1 million in labor and perhaps a million in heavy equipment rental (noting it's not a "major structure" as far as heavy equipment goes))

WHERE THERE'S MONEY THERE'S MOTIVE. AND THE BRIDGE WAS APPARENTLY CONTRACTED OUT TO an international group (not following any book of USA engineering rules).

you can assume that corruption is a conspiracy theory yet possible

Story leavez me feeling FLAT - DEPRESSED. Think Ill go have an Orange CRUSH to calm down.

> LESS THAN $100,000 in material for the span (end
> points not included)

lemme revise. i see decks are more like 2' thick, so double that. however if we go to commercial price rather than retail price: likely still < $100k

This was the problem during Obama and it remains.

Media can just mention a big loss (human, money, or morals), complain a little, and move on to other things.

Nothing gets followed up on, and that means anyone doing it or involved and anyone thinking of doing the same thing is "liberated to continue".

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As things stand the tightening of a nut was blamed not anything else.

They have not even suggested that no one use the (same/similar) design until further investigation.

As things said the tightening of a nut was blamed.

They have not suggested a design flaw is possible, they have not suggested that no one copy their new innovative design.

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after NTSB showed the bridge was susposed to be suspended by wires, there was a news release that planners said "that was purely for decoration, not for holding up bridge"

the stories keep mounting, the story isn't near dead

today, news that lawsuits of irresponsibility, have already been filed

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

Don't bury this story.

THERE ARE ALLOT OF QUESTIONS:

* why huge flaws in the technology weren't notice by those being hailed as "educated" and paid as such (picked winning)

* why AN EXPERIMENTAL TECHNOLOGY was used over a super highway where pedestrians cross (there are better places / ways to test experimental structures)

* whether it was sub-contracted to asian developers who cheated on the contract (see the asian symbols on the sales brochure photos)

too soon to kill this story

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

Move on, shit school.
Do you cry when a drone strike involves a madrassa?
Same thing

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too soon to kill this story

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

too soon to kill this story

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

476vm

too soon to kill this story

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

I won't be happy until I see WHO was responsible for "consulting" (submitting fake proposals that change, submitting material that had NO CHANCE of working), who in government signed to allow a contractor to do "an experiment" over a super highway, and that they are punished.

this isn't a story of failed engineering. this appears to be a story of PLANNED FAILURE FOR CASH. criminals absolutely can and do do this thing: however i have not heard in the past that mafia do citizen deaths (perhaps others do)

(mafia style far as i've heard is like an unknown worker accidentally causes a floor to be replaced, and they get paid 2x to do one job. but not all criminals are mafioso)

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what we haven't heard: reasons it happened

what we HAVE seen: a video produced "from canada" attempting to prove it is totally legitimate that neither the builders nor installers were responsible

what i say: not a damn chance. read the article. it wasn't even a close call.

too soon to kill this story

MAIN ARTICLE (strangely titled)

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html

democrat shinnanigans are serious (use of tax money to push teens to be democrtas)

HOWEVER - democrat shinnanigans that ammount in MISSING MONEY and safety "issues" also need to be at attention

(due to today's dems there are too many things to be at attention of: which is a kind of a shell game, but a type of con game anyhow)

too soon to kill this story. the story of how this happened is not one of "simple mistakes"

dvdt3

watch this story because it's like the UBER death robot stories

the NTSB chief obama appointed: dragging feet. officials signing papers for profit that disreguard safety DESPITE the fact the taxpayer paid FUCKING INSANE ammounts of money on dems writing safety papers!!!!!

bridges falling, uber running over people,

and an OBAMA appointee sitting in NTSB telling the public "we're investigating, please wait"

It's safer to ignore the tiong-yang space station crash than it is "why this bridge fell on people"

Why is because: without a follow up, the other such projects (which number in the thousands in Florida), will be going forward. and some of them will be planned disasters and money grabs: killing people.

if they "don't get away with it", they won't be able to continually use USA's infrastructure money for "obama progressive employment"

9ctxh

If you don't get it yet, THIS IS DEEP STATE:

1) use of illegal laborers and possibly illegal contractors/'consultants'

3) democrats signing papers for money for UN-CONFIRMED designs - they were 'democrat friendly designs' is all they cared about

democrats had their fingers in all of it at every state: it's a model of deep state

2) tax run college raking in money on a bridge possibly meant to fail (see the finances on the URL). the cost of concrete and rebar placed was no where near the $14,000,000 the taxpayer shelled out

VXFLW

Don’t worry broners uncle Herb and aunt Barbie are fine

f7myp

Deep state DOES matter.

You can't reduce corruption if you don't look at the main product of corruption: governent projects, cost overruns, LACKING PRODUCT

fpxye

see above!

NTSB still hasn't released a report, and is now advertising to us taxpayers they are investigating a critical airplane crash.

%80 of fliers are gov workers (some say intently to fund airlines): i can't afford to drive to the beach, let alone fly anywhere

DOES ANYONE THINK that the OBAMA appointed chief of NTSB is just a poser lying to the media?

I DO.

still no answers

NTSB chief, an OBAMA appointee, hasn't issued a word on it

infact they aren't issuing blame on anything except maybe assigning fault on aircraft investigations WHICH FAA IS DOING OUT OF FAA BUDGET, MIND YOU

NTSB needs to come up with answers about the FLORIDA PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE COLLAPSE

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told you they'd drag feet and keep it silent

it's all about illegal aliens, corrupt government, government workers signing things they weren't qualified to sign, and asian "sub-contractors" blamed for design issues they aren't being blamed for (instead, changes in plans are: which is part of the cover up of the whole)

the whole picture is:

#1 too much design money spent on a designed meant to fail

#2 a bridge of mostly cheap concrete and rods was erected - which costed maybe 1/13th of the budget to put up

#3 all the money is "gone", despite the fact very little of it was INSTALLED IN ACTUALITY

#4 it enriched florida gov workers and illegal aliens. no answers.

an Obama appointee is in charge of "investigating", and he's hiding the facts. he promised an investigation and said "wait". he never intends to release a report, and the report that will be "filed" will blame "overtightening a nut" without any fan fair, democrats hope.

I HOPE TO GIVE THE INVESTIGATION QUITE A BIT MORE FAN FARE: A CONVICTION OF THOSE INVOLVED AND OF OBAMA APPOINTEE FOR TRYING TO KEEP IT OUT OF THE NEWS

WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

The difference is we're to ASSUME that since people died it can't be just another construction rip off. They happen and get caught *sometimes*.

The difference here is if foreigners/(bad actors) were involved who planned to use a tragic incident because they predicted no one would ever question "their intent" because a tragedy occurred.

The question is if they used a collapse to cover up a "fake project" and hoped (any incidental) injuries would double the doubt they'd "ever do such a thing"

would asian contractors do theft that might cause harm in the USA? YES, they might also put lead in children's toys

"oh don't worry everyone, some worker over-tightened a nut. no money stolen nothing to see here"

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mndwm

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Where is the new news?

None.

I fear it's all just as I said:

Corrupt officials signing papers they weren't qualified to sign, CHINESE CONTRACTORS doing work without a hint of following any USA standards (a hellish ammount of these written for pedestrian bridges),

hispanic contractors who KNEW the bridge would fall and spend only a fraction of the bridge money on materials

it appears to be a $14,000,000 RUN AWAY TRAIN

the NTSB? an obama appointee who is goign to help cover up any "obama shovel ready project" (or equivalent)

little red riding hood

hxufh

Obama NTSB

no news on this, they're sticking with the "bolt over-tightened" story

fhcyy

Obama NTSB is hiding corrupt government projects that use death as an excuse to stop building before "the money is spent".

it's 'i' shaped (capitol i), it's not any kind of truss'ed shape.

Focus next on the top deck: it is unstable. it's being supported in the middle only by | not on it's edges (sides) like most any structure double deck structure of any kind (including housing, by walls). what happens when you balance something heavy only in it's middle? it wants to fall. if it's heavy? it's hard to stop.

see http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2825805.html for details and ascii art

pure steel



cross section of a model of steel ibeam



typical regular construction concrete, rebar not even corrosion coated apparently



square truss usable for holding overhead lights



part of a steel truss for a CEILING (ie, at your local pool or gym). has absolutely nothing to do with bridges made of typical building concrete shaped like an ibeam.

IF YOU ARE BALANCING HUNDREDS OF TONS OF CONCRETE (THE TOP DECK OF THAT BRIDGE ACTUALLY IN PLACE THAT FELL, not some model they didn't intend to build)

YOU MAY SEE BALANCING HUNDREDS OF TONS of UPPER DECK on a concrete trussing on slender concerete "knockouts" WOULD CERTAINLY RAISE EYEBROWS

NOTE: the main article (see url above) has MANY BETTER CONVINCING ARGUMENTS. this I-BEAM "issue" is only the newest in problems seen and mentioned that NTSB did not find (NTSB, and obama appointee friend: hasn't even cited a report or fault in the accident, let alone comment about where construction money went).

dy4jp

i hear the NTSB (run by a black obama appointee) is investigating a small boat boating accident

i didn't know the taxpayer had to fund a national small boat accident agency

(if it was insured: then that's the insurance company's cost if they want an investigation - meaning the insurance company and police are stealing? not really: obama is stealing creating un-necessary jobs, doing FAKE INVESTIGATIONS)

vun6j

mpuww

uuduc

gujf4

You guessed it. Obama appointee run NTSB spends shitloads of money and hasn't added A DAMN THING to engineering.

THE BRIDGE IS FORGOTTEN, THE CAUSE NEVER EXPOSED - THE ASIAN OUTSOURCING NEVER QUESTIONED OR PROSECUTED

THE LAWSUITS OF PEOPLE SUING AND OUTCOMES - NEVER REPORTED BY MEDIA

7nj4p

at least the democrat tax funded ad council didn't support this article

be proud !

y3byh

the bridge was designed by an automated driverless engineer!

Obama NTSB

no news on this, they're sticking with the "bolt over-tightened" story

MILLIONS MISSING.

NO CONCLUDING REPORT BY NTSB THAT MEXICO DIDN'T HAND TO THE OBAMA APPOINTEE TO READ.

NOTHING COSTING ANYTHING NEAR THE TAXPAYER COST WAS EVER ERECTED

WHAT WAS ERECTED WAS TOTALLY OPPOSITE OF WHAT WAS ON THE PASSED PLANS

xhulx

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no one thought fake bridges and coverups with deaths was possible in USA

they thought it might be possible in mexico or china

BUT TODAY, they are possible in USA

that's the moral of this story and it's an important one

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obama turned bridge building and NTSB into a crime organization

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/2/2980384.html

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rule #1, blame a peon, not the high paid government site engineer

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DROP DEAD G2

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WHICH IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF MURDER IN THE USA

DROP DEAD G2

plu6p Wrote:
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>

> You guessed it. Obama appointee run NTSB spends
> shitloads of money and hasn't added A DAMN THING
> to engineering.
>
> THE BRIDGE IS FORGOTTEN, THE CAUSE NEVER EXPOSED -
> THE ASIAN OUTSOURCING NEVER QUESTIONED OR
> PROSECUTED
>
> THE LAWSUITS OF PEOPLE SUING AND OUTCOMES - NEVER
> REPORTED BY MEDIA
>

Pedestrian Bridge Collapse Over SW 8th Street, Miami, Florida
Investigation Details
What Happened

?On Thursday, March 15, 2018, about 1:46 p.m., a partially constructed pedestrian bridge crossing an eight-lane roadway in the city of Miami, in Miami-Dade County, ...

the "report" BEGINS WITH A QUESTION MARK

https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/?NTSBNumber=HWY18MH009

STOP THE STEAL

THERE ARE TOO MANY REPORTS. NONE MENTION that chinese contractors were involved and who CHANGED THE DESIGN after filing it, and that the "planned structural members" they NTSB is ruling on WEREN'T IN THE STRUCTURE

most prominently, the "walkway" was to have a suspension system, but at installation time had NO SUSPENSION SYSTEM, AND NO WAY POSSIBLE TO AD ONE POST-CONSTRUCTION

similarly, the NTSB report contains prolific comments about rebar placement which "really are beside the point" when the whole member could never have supported the weight

IT WAS DESIGNED TO FAIL

the MONEY never went into the build - the build was mostly rebar and concrete (cheap for the builders)

where did all the millions slated for the rest go? it was planned to go missing, the chinese were involved.

the document also lists some amazingly poor choices in COLD JOIN configuration that no reasonable engineer would ever have considered "plausible" to create

that's also irrelevant - since the structure as a whole could never have bore the weight

THE PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE WAS BUILT TO BE LARGE AND CHEAP TO PUT UP, APPEAR TO BE HIGH TECH

AND FAIL

with the money that was supposed to be spend on actual parts and labor: funneled to the chinese and corrupt democrats

new orleans hard rock cafe - was in the news at the same time

similarly - photos showed that the columns were thin and the building had been "very cheaply built and may well have been planned to fail", and was in "a corrupt as hell area" that removed evidence before inspection

the big fake:

* certain brackets were very thick - others very thin. they were holding several heavy pipes running the length of the tunnel

* the broken bracket was thin

* the broken bracket had completely rusted through

* the broken brack WAS FAKE, it had a zinc coating which merely peeled off. anyone knows if you cover crap metal with paint you will soon have nothing except paint holding rust. it's not allowed to be used for holding electrical conduit I GUARANTEE YOU

(electricians are NOT allowed to use such a thing, they are not listed for use and therefore illegal to USE by electricians which MEANS the contractor cheated bought unlisted electrical brackets - which is illegal)

(national electric code is a sub-part of national fire protection code and building code and other codes - while the "federal regulations" only cite they are not responsible for actual correctness)

see: Re: Bridge Collapse in Pitsbourgh: scenic Forbes bridge collapsed at lead 10 injured

the electrical talk is about a different NTSB case, shown in light of how NTSB "does things"