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real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: uncle sam ()
Date: February 17, 2018 12:08PM

People continually forget.

The Constitution called arms "not owned OR DECIDED by government workers": a protected right, as in with a militia (perhaps shriners or other groups?), while hunting weapons were never part of the discussion or mentioned.


The holders of these were (per say) the Founding Fathers (their associates, congressmen around 1776).


Without the law they could be prosecuted by the English for illegally maintaining armories.

HOWEVER - looking forward to the CIVIL WAR - did the law did protect the south to maintain weapons. to some effect yes and no. the state merely took the right.

BUT looking all along history: "the gun law" did NOT protect armament caches from government's reach of SEIZURE.

MEANING: there is no clear right to build an army under the opposing armies eyes per say. what the law says is that the holders cannot be prosecuted for the mere fact of "housing an armory" by the government that seized the weapons. that is more of the fact. the return of the weapons: highly unlikely

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: First Shot ()
Date: February 17, 2018 12:37PM

The British Army was on the march to Lexington MA to seize powder and shot rumored to be stockpiled there when some Massachusetts farmer who shall remain forever unknown was reported to have said 'fuck this shit'. The rest is history as they say.

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: j9pc3 ()
Date: February 17, 2018 01:22PM

Right the british at one time had a law against Paupers having weapons, they no doubt had that in mind.

The Second Amendment of the United States Constitution reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Bear \Bear\ (b[^a]r), v. t. [imp. {Bore} (b[=o]r) (formerly
{Bare} (b[^a]r)); p. p. {Born} (b[^o]rn), {Borne} (b[=o]rn);
p. pr. & vb. n. {Bearing}.] [OE. beren, AS. beran, beoran, to
bear, carry, produce; akin to D. baren to bring forth, G.
geb[aum]ren, Goth. ba['i]ran to bear or carry, Icel. bera,
Sw. b[aum]ra, Dan. b[ae]re, OHG. beran, peran, L. ferre to
bear, carry, produce, Gr. fe`rein, OSlav. brati to take,
carry, OIr. berim I bear, Skr. bh[.r] to bear. [root]92. Cf.
{Fertile}.]
1. To support or sustain; to hold up.
[1913 Webster]

2. To support and remove or carry; to convey.
[1913 Webster]

Bearing is a clear hint that "carrying", owning, storing, is included.


It's good to note hear that ANY such legal passage means "legally bearing" not illegally bearing, and means "born and assumed right" UNLESS previous conviction by law would prohibit.

There's a legal right to association and also motion. Both can be removed but ONLY are to be removed LEGALLY.

Now, to the legal point: politics are not allowed in court. If a democrat run area or state has "overtaken rulings to favor democrats" (they most always do), then any such must not be allowed even before it gets to those courts.

Democrats will use government paid psychiatrists who have in the past accused every trait of being a republican as being a terrorist, openly.



Untrained brats with guns, who are not attenders of shriners and hunters and masons meetings, do not necessarily "legally carry" anymore than "the right to vote won't be infringed" guarantees a vote.

Training however, in democrat's hands, ends up COSTLY, creating government jobs senselessly, and biased toward government workers.

I'm not at all sure that "government" is the answer.

Perhaps instead of studying harriet tubman for a few months of every year to bow a knee to blacks they should study weapons.

Or perhaps the young should ]not have to pay or "pass insidious dmeocrat tests" but rather be well known in their community, attend a lodge (though the lodge may ]have a fee).

It's a good question if age limit should be raised. It's a good question how to insure one is "a real civilian, civilly co-operating" when they bear arms.

What you can believe is that the Constitution prohibits ]government from passing laws assuming guilt or taxing and obstructing ownership by "legal civilians" except for the recording of seri]al numbers, as the FBI would warn.

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: wgvbh ()
Date: February 17, 2018 01:33PM

some say the idea civilians should bear arms to face off to the government is rediculous

HOWEVER... #1 it does "make a difference" when it comes to politicians serupticiously stealing land and evicting. not much but it does. and they've been caught doing it. (quartering of troups: clearly illegal. the ancient greek's law: a man cannot sell his only home (but can be forced into servitude, btw))

BUT that's WRONG

because History clearly shows that an ATTACKING government (ie, russia - just for laughs i'll pick them), would have extremely less chance of of taking and keeping land. they'd be shot at from every corner of millions of acres of suburbs. they'd conquer but never "win" without insane losses.

that's a deterrent

but i'll have to remember again "guns are dangerous" just to have around they tend to attract murder, though not drive it.

then i'll set back on church and it's past use as a community meeting and planning place outside government (and the lack of a replacement, like shriner meetings, or such). no attendance of court trials by passers by (it was popular in Rome at one time).

i'll have to go back to: education and enlightenment and community. the community is broken. forget family. the whole civility - people don't even know their neighbors ideas needs and such.

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: t4pbb ()
Date: February 17, 2018 01:37PM

there's no "town meeting house" the government doesn't control

anything the government controls has a treasurer, then staff, then government rules where only government workers are ALLOWED TO TALK

to the resentment of many: government workers also get huge pay - a sinful wage gap. this is anti-purpose to "working together", such people can't lead community talks.

the government "sucks" at leading a community

FURTHERMORE. today's government volunteers for no community gathering except the internet community, for their own greedy reasons they use the internet for free :)

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: Think about it ()
Date: February 17, 2018 05:12PM

It was because a number of armed citizens showed up at the Bundy Ranch that his contented cows still graze on government grass.

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Re: real history: what they forget about "the gun law": the revolutionary war
Posted by: Saturday Nite Special ()
Date: February 17, 2018 05:24PM

Damn ignorant when boys talk guns after 17 kids just lost their lives due to another gun nut.

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