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Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: November 30, 2009 09:21PM

Joe Theismann may have been like listening to paint dry on MNF, but at least he sounded like he knew what he was talking about. I've been watching Jon Gruden tonight on MNF and he has to be one of the most annoying and useless analysts out there. He keeps talking about how the Patriots are going to use a Quarterback sneak...and each time the Patriots don't. Then, he called a simple hand-off between Brees and the RB "a Statue of Liberty play," even though Brees did not do a fake pass or hide the ball the way a QB is supposed to do during a Statue of Liberty play. Also, a few weeks ago he was talking about how "option plays never work in the NFL," then when Vince Young runs an option during the Titans game, Gruden is like, "That's the most brilliant play I've seen tonight."

Gruden needs to go back to firing QBs on a weekly basis as a coach somewhere (hopefully not DC, but you know how that goes).

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: November 30, 2009 10:28PM

I was thinking the same thing.
All he does is rave about how great everyone is.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: graymoose1 ()
Date: December 01, 2009 09:24AM

He's just as bad as Kornhizer was

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 09:33AM

graymoose1 Wrote:
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> He's just as bad as Kornhizer was


I used to think Gruden and Brian Billick had to be pretty sharp to win Super Bowls, but listening to them doing analysis, it makes you wonder how the hell they won one game, much less playoff games and Super Bowls.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: December 01, 2009 09:51AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> graymoose1 Wrote:
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> > He's just as bad as Kornhizer was
>
>
> I used to think Gruden and Brian Billick had to be
> pretty sharp to win Super Bowls, but listening to
> them doing analysis, it makes you wonder how the
> hell they won one game, much less playoff games
> and Super Bowls.


Is it any surprise then that Gruden won his SuperBowl with the team that Dungy built and then it was nothing but a downhill run after that? And let's face it, for an "offensive genius", Billick's Baltimore offense was always shit. It was the defense that won their SuperBowl.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 09:59AM

Warhawk Wrote:
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>
> Is it any surprise then that Gruden won his
> SuperBowl with the team that Dungy built and then
> it was nothing but a downhill run after that? And
> let's face it, for an "offensive genius",
> Billick's Baltimore offense was always shit. It
> was the defense that won their SuperBowl.


True. But Gruden did get to the AFC Championship game with the Raiders and, if it hadn't been for the ridiculous "tuck rule" that was never invoked before or since that game, he most likely would have been in the Super Bowl, which his Raiders team was the following year under the pretty mediocre Bill Callahan as head coach.

As for Billick, I agree he made some pretty bone-headed decisions as head coach, the least of which was throwing Trent Dilfer overboard after winning the SuperBowl for the erratic hot dog Elvis Grbac. Still, you would assume the guy had to know something, given the fact the Ravens were a pretty decent team under his tenure.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: jhey ()
Date: December 01, 2009 10:49AM

I also hate that every single NFL announcer now refers to an end-around as a "reverse" and a reverse as a "double reverse." I react to it in the same way I react to signs that use an apostrophe to make a word plural.

Announcer: It's a reverse!

Jhey: No it's not! The QB was stationary when he handed off the ball! No one says "I'm in reverse" when their car makes a left turn after sitting at a stop sign.

Announcer: GASP a double reverse!

Jhey: NOOOOOO! The ball only reversed direction one time, not two! According to you, "double jeopardy" means no one can be convicted of any crime ever!

Announcer: Now a word from our sponsor's.

Jhey: I'M IN HELL

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 10:58AM

jhey Wrote:
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>
> Jhey: NOOOOOO! The ball only reversed direction
> one time, not two! According to you, "double
> jeopardy" means no one can be convicted of any
> crime ever!
>
> Announcer: Now a word from our sponsor's.
>
> Jhey: I'M IN HELL


Or how Gruden bashes the option offense, saying it never works in the NFL, while ignoring "The Wildcat," which is a fucking option offense.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: OBEEE ()
Date: December 01, 2009 12:02PM

He sugar coats everything!!!!!!!!!!!! I hate him!!! I hope he gets the Skins gig to get him off MNF!!!!

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: 496 ()
Date: December 01, 2009 12:04PM

Didn't you know that Gruden is an aspiring actor?
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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 12:58PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> jhey Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Jhey: NOOOOOO! The ball only reversed direction
> > one time, not two! According to you, "double
> > jeopardy" means no one can be convicted of any
> > crime ever!
> >
> > Announcer: Now a word from our sponsor's.
> >
> > Jhey: I'M IN HELL
>
>
> Or how Gruden bashes the option offense, saying it
> never works in the NFL, while ignoring "The
> Wildcat," which is a fucking option offense.

First, "The Wildcat" is a formation rather than an offense. Second, even if it was an offensive scheme, it is not an option offense.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 01:10PM

Paul Brown Wrote:
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> > Or how Gruden bashes the option offense, saying
> it
> > never works in the NFL, while ignoring "The
> > Wildcat," which is a fucking option offense.
>
> First, "The Wildcat" is a formation rather than an
> offense. Second, even if it was an offensive
> scheme, it is not an option offense.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_offense

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:22PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul Brown Wrote:
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>
> > >
> > > Or how Gruden bashes the option offense,
> saying
> > it
> > > never works in the NFL, while ignoring "The
> > > Wildcat," which is a fucking option offense.
> >
> > First, "The Wildcat" is a formation rather than
> an
> > offense. Second, even if it was an offensive
> > scheme, it is not an option offense.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Option_offense

Thanks for proving my point.

From your link:
"The "wildcat" offense, popularized at the college level by former Arkansas offensive coordinators Gus Malzahn and David Lee in the early 2000s and on the professional level with Lee's current employer, the Miami Dolphins, in the 2008 NFL season owes some of its design to the option offense."

"Owes some of its design" is not the same as "is a fucking option offense."

To the amateur eye, it may look like an option, but it is not.

Also from your link:
"The option has made rare appearances in the NFL. In the 2006 season Michael Vick and Warrick Dunn ran the option with a degree of success not seen in the NFL before. In a December 2007 game against the New England Patriots, the New York Jets ran the option with quarterback Brad Smith, substituting Smith for starter Chad Pennington.

In the 2008 AFC championship, Ravens QB Joe Flacco ran a QB option tucking the ball for a 5 yard gain and a first down on crucial third down. The Ravens offense was known for mixing up its game plan, and although Flacco is not known for his speed, the deception employed by Baltimore allowed for Flacco to mix up plays successfully despite a AFC championship game loss."

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 01:27PM

I'm not going to get into a pissing match. There are plenty of authoritative sources online that refer to the Wildcat as an option offense. You are more than welcome to look it up.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Warhawk ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:37PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm not going to get into a pissing match. There
> are plenty of authoritative sources online that
> refer to the Wildcat as an option offense. You are
> more than welcome to look it up.


+1. If you hike the ball to player and by the very nature/design of the formation/scheme you're running, that player is intentionally given multiple possibilities whether to run, pass, hand off, run & pitch...it's an OPTION offense.

This isn't the same as hiking to the QB and there's nobody open so he runs for it. Plus why do they call it the "halfback option" when the play is designed for the RB to run or pass it...

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 01:44PM

Warhawk Wrote:
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>
>
> +1. If you hike the ball to player and by the
> very nature/design of the formation/scheme you're
> running, that player is intentionally given
> multiple possibilities whether to run, pass, hand
> off, run & pitch...it's an OPTION offense.
>
> This isn't the same as hiking to the QB and
> there's nobody open so he runs for it. Plus why
> do they call it the "halfback option" when the
> play is designed for the RB to run or pass it...


The guy is an idiot. Using his criteria, most of the West Coast Offenses currently used in the league wouldn't be called West Coast Offenses because they don't look exactly like what Bill Walsh used in San Francisco. The fact is they all rely on multiple receivers in timed routes, even if a particular package doesn't look like something Walsh would have used.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:44PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> I'm not going to get into a pissing match. There
> are plenty of authoritative sources online that
> refer to the Wildcat as an option offense. You are
> more than welcome to look it up.

You aren't getting into a pissing match because you already lost. You are just having trouble accepting it. No authoritative source calls it an option offense, because it simply isn't. It is a running formation. The QB is not even recieving the snap, so it is even less like an option.

Because you seem comfortable with it, just try wikipediaing wildcat formation.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:47PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Warhawk Wrote:
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>
> >
> >
> > +1. If you hike the ball to player and by the
> > very nature/design of the formation/scheme
> you're
> > running, that player is intentionally given
> > multiple possibilities whether to run, pass,
> hand
> > off, run & pitch...it's an OPTION offense.
> >
> > This isn't the same as hiking to the QB and
> > there's nobody open so he runs for it. Plus
> why
> > do they call it the "halfback option" when the
> > play is designed for the RB to run or pass
> it...
>
>
> The guy is an idiot. Using his criteria, most of
> the West Coast Offenses currently used in the
> league wouldn't be called West Coast Offenses
> because they don't look exactly like what Bill
> Walsh used in San Francisco. The fact is they all
> rely on multiple receivers in timed routes, even
> if a particular package doesn't look like
> something Walsh would have used.

Talk about an idiot. You can't even distinguish the difference between a formation and an offensive scheme! Plus, your supposed evidence linked to support your claim refutes your assertion.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 01:52PM

Paul Brown Wrote:
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> Talk about an idiot. You can't even distinguish
> the difference between a formation and an
> offensive scheme! Plus, your supposed evidence
> linked to support your claim refutes your
> assertion.

For future reference...


Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:27PM

I'm not going to get into a pissing match. There are plenty of authoritative sources online that refer to the Wildcat as an option offense. You are more than welcome to look it up.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 01:53PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul Brown Wrote:
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>
> >
> > Talk about an idiot. You can't even
> distinguish
> > the difference between a formation and an
> > offensive scheme! Plus, your supposed evidence
> > linked to support your claim refutes your
> > assertion.
>
> For future reference...
>
>
> Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
> Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
> Date: December 01, 2009 01:27PM
>
> I'm not going to get into a pissing match. There
> are plenty of authoritative sources online that
> refer to the Wildcat as an option offense. You are
> more than welcome to look it up.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> -------------------------------
>
> Yes, you fucking penis.

For future reference:

You aren't getting into a pissing match because you already lost. You are just having trouble accepting it. No authoritative source calls it an option offense, because it simply isn't. It is a running formation. The QB is not even recieving the snap, so it is even less like an option.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 01:58PM

Paul Brown Wrote:
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>
> For future reference:
>
> You aren't getting into a pissing match because
> you already lost. You are just having trouble
> accepting it. No authoritative source calls it an
> option offense, because it simply isn't. It is a
> running formation. The QB is not even recieving
> the snap, so it is even less like an option.

You really don't know when you are being set up, do you?

Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said his team had worked on defending against the wildcat and specifically the option play when White was in at quarterback. But on that scoring drive in the second quarter, his team failed to stop the wildcat.

“We just didn’t play the option very well,” Belichick said. “We had worked on it and then it happened, and it just happened a little bit faster than we had practiced it…We worked on it, but not quite the way they ran it and we just had a couple missed assignments there. Once we got adjusted I thought we did a good job.”


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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 02:05PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul Brown Wrote:
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> -----
>
> >
> > For future reference:
> >
> > You aren't getting into a pissing match because
> > you already lost. You are just having trouble
> > accepting it. No authoritative source calls it
> an
> > option offense, because it simply isn't. It is
> a
> > running formation. The QB is not even recieving
> > the snap, so it is even less like an option.
>
> You really don't know when you are being set up,
> do you?
>
> Patriots head coach Bill Belichick said his team
> had worked on defending against the wildcat and
> specifically the option play when White was in at
> quarterback. But on that scoring drive in the
> second quarter, his team failed to stop the
> wildcat.
>
> “We just didn’t play the option very well,”
> Belichick said. “We had worked on it and then it
> happened, and it just happened a little bit faster
> than we had practiced it…We worked on it, but not
> quite the way they ran it and we just had a couple
> missed assignments there. Once we got adjusted I
> thought we did a good job.”

Funny you bring that up. When you run the play with White, it is not a Wildcat formation, it is a variation of the spread option. Why? Because Pat White is a QUARTERBACK. You do know the difference between a QB and a RB, don't you?

"Where the "gimmick" begins to come into play is when a guy like Pat White takes the snap out of the formation. But what you have there is not the Wildcat but rather the spread option. I think analysts and NFL purists see this but still label it the Wildcat even though it certainly is not."

http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelists/2009/09/wildcat-nfl-formation-west-coast-infante.html


Talk about a setup.
hook, line, and sinker.........

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 02:10PM

Paul Brown Wrote:
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> "Where the "gimmick" begins to come into play is
> when a guy like Pat White takes the snap out of
> the formation. But what you have there is not the
> Wildcat but rather the spread option. I think
> analysts and NFL purists see this but still label
> it the Wildcat even though it certainly is not."
>
> http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelist
> s/2009/09/wildcat-nfl-formation-west-coast-infante
> .html
>
>
> Talk about a setup.
> hook, line, and sinker.........

Hook, line and sinker, indeed...

I think analysts and NFL purists see this but still label it the Wildcat even though it certainly is not.

One bloggers opinion against that of "analysts and NFL purists."

I'll take an NFL purist over a fuckhead like you.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 02:14PM

Furthermore, if I don't respond it's not because I think you have made some valid point. I don't fucking care and am focusing on other things.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Paul Brown ()
Date: December 01, 2009 02:24PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Paul Brown Wrote:
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>
> >
> > "Where the "gimmick" begins to come into play
> is
> > when a guy like Pat White takes the snap out of
> > the formation. But what you have there is not
> the
> > Wildcat but rather the spread option. I think
> > analysts and NFL purists see this but still
> label
> > it the Wildcat even though it certainly is
> not."
> >
> >
> http://views.washingtonpost.com/theleague/panelist
>
> >
> s/2009/09/wildcat-nfl-formation-west-coast-infante
>
> > .html
> >
> >
> > Talk about a setup.
> > hook, line, and sinker.........
>
> Hook, line and sinker, indeed...
>
> I think analysts and NFL purists see this but
> still label it the Wildcat even though it
> certainly is not.
>
> One bloggers opinion against that of "analysts and
> NFL purists."
>
> I'll take an NFL purist over a fuckhead like you.

Reading comprehension is not your strong suit I see.

"On Sunday, it wasn't the Wildcat. It was the spread option run by rookie quarterback Pat White." Unveiled on the Dolphins' fourth drive of the game, White rushed for 33 yards around left end on an option keeper. Soon after, White pitched to Williams on the right side for the 15-yard score to tie the game at 10."

ESPN purist enough for you? http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/columns/story?columnist=reiss_mike&id=4636395









WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Furthermore, if I don't respond it's not because I
> think you have made some valid point. I don't
> fucking care and am focusing on other things.

You won't respond because you are getting your ass whipped up and down and being made to play the fool.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Posted by: Scribbles ()
Date: December 01, 2009 08:03PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Furthermore, if I don't respond it's not because I
> think you have made some valid point. I don't
> fucking care and am focusing on other things.

Quitter. Hate being wrong that much, fucktard? Funny how you thought you were setting the trap then you became the trapped one.

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Re: Jon Gruden - Crappy TV Analyst
Date: December 01, 2009 08:41PM

Scribbles Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Furthermore, if I don't respond it's not because
> I
> > think you have made some valid point. I don't
> > fucking care and am focusing on other things.
>
> Quitter. Hate being wrong that much, fucktard?
> Funny how you thought you were setting the trap
> then you became the trapped one.



What's the point of spending hours going back and forth and accomplishing nothing? Call me the new, more mature WashingTone-Locian, but that shit has gotten old.

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