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My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: _Tarlton_ ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:28PM

I was going to vote for Cliff Hyra, but he doesn't have a chance in hell to win the gubernatorial election. I'm torn between Gillespie and Northam. Both have their pros, both have their cons. I already know 99% of the people on this site are voting for Gillespie, so I ask, why should Gillespie get my vote as well? If the arguments for doing so are compelling, he'll have my vote.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: sh'up ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:34PM

go to the candidates web sites and see for yourself what they're running for. If that doesn't convince you, don't vote or vote for Hyra or write in someone. No one really cares who you vote for.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Cville Knievel ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:36PM

Ed Gillespie’s our only chance at getting a pardon for James Alex Fields. The state has no business locking him up like they did.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: You shouldn't ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:43PM

He's a racist scumbag like the rest of the Republicans.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: trollin' tard ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:51PM

If you are truly undecided, why did you not put Ralph Northam's name in the title? Oh yeah, you're just trollin', tard.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: hearts & minds ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:51PM

sh'up Wrote:
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> go to the candidates web sites and see for
> yourself what they're running for. If that
> doesn't convince you, don't vote or vote for Hyra
> or write in someone. No one really cares who you
> vote for.


Maybe it's hyperbole, but in this election a handful of votes could make or break the election. This comment is fucking stupid. If you don't want to see the Old Dominion further overrun with illegals and other unsavory characters, you should be stumping for as many votes as possible.

Tarlton, Do exactly as this poster said, minus the last sentence. Look what liberals have done to the state and the nation, and come up with your own conclusion. Hopefully you will see Gillespie is our only chance to right the ship.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: ReasonsWHY101 ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:52PM

Ed won't make sanctuary cities. He won't support Antifa , unlike Northam. He doesn't believe in killing almost born babies. He wants to improved education and reduce crime. He will protect Virginia history. He is the better choice.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: _Tarlton_ ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:54PM

trollin' tard Wrote:
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> If you are truly undecided, why did you not put
> Ralph Northam's name in the title? Oh yeah,
> you're just trollin', tard.


Because that would be a pointless. No one, save for two or three posters will say anything of meaning about Northam. I'll get the whole spiel about him being a libtard, sanctuary cities and so on. I already know how people about him and democrats on this board.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: sh'up ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:54PM

hearts & minds Wrote:
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> Maybe it's hyperbole, but in this election a
> handful of votes could make or break the election.
> This comment is fucking stupid. If you don't want
> to see the Old Dominion further overrun with
> illegals and other unsavory characters, you should
> be stumping for as many votes as possible.
>
> Tarlton, Do exactly as this poster said, minus the
> last sentence. Look what liberals have done to the
> state and the nation, and come up with your own
> conclusion. Hopefully you will see Gillespie is
> our only chance to right the ship.


The OP is a leftwing troll. Go back and read his other posts. He's 100% in the tank for Northam already and this is just a troll thread. Both the OP and you need to STFU and move on.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: _Tarlton_ ()
Date: October 20, 2017 01:55PM

sh'up Wrote:
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> hearts & minds Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Maybe it's hyperbole, but in this election a
> > handful of votes could make or break the
> election.
> > This comment is fucking stupid. If you don't
> want
> > to see the Old Dominion further overrun with
> > illegals and other unsavory characters, you
> should
> > be stumping for as many votes as possible.
> >
> > Tarlton, Do exactly as this poster said, minus
> the
> > last sentence. Look what liberals have done to
> the
> > state and the nation, and come up with your own
> > conclusion. Hopefully you will see Gillespie is
> > our only chance to right the ship.
>
>
> The OP is a leftwing troll. Go back and read his
> other posts. He's 100% in the tank for Northam
> already and this is just a troll thread. Both the
> OP and you need to STFU and move on.

I'm an independent, and a public one at that. Just because I am anti-Trump, doesn't mean I am anti Republican.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: M'kay ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:03PM

_Tarlton_ Wrote:

> I'm an independent, and a public one at that. Just
> because I am anti-Trump, doesn't mean I am anti
> Republican.


Sure. LOL


 
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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: a true analysis ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:12PM

So, if you were for Hyra, Gillespie actually has many of the same ideas.

Example 1
From Hyra's website: As Governor, Cliff Hyra will unleash the potential of small business owners and entrepreneurs by:
•Ending inefficient, job-killing business taxes such as the Business, Professional and Occupational License (aka BPOL) tax that taxes gross receipts, not profits, the Merchant Capital tax, the Machine and Tool tax, and the business personal property tax, which deter business formation and innovation
•Ending state occupational licensing requirements for cosmetologists, interior decorators, nail technicians, etc.

From Ed Gillespie's detailed tax plan (page 6): Cutting state income taxes is only part of the equation. To truly spark economic growth, Virginia needs to reform its antiquated, patchwork system of local business taxes. The Business and Professional Occupancy License or BPOL Tax, the Machinery & Tools Tax, and the Merchants’ Capital Tax are vestiges of a prior era when Virginia’s economy was growing by leaps and bounds despite these impediments to business growth.

Example 2
From Hyra's website: Introduce more competition and choice by expanding Virginia’s charter school program, modeling it on the New York state program that shows much success, especially in the African American community. Emphasize the importance of education in growing Virginia’s economy, reducing inequality and promoting growth across all of the Commonwealth
Make public schools more adaptable and competitive.

From Gillespie's website: Public charter schools provide parents with alternatives when their zoned-public school is underperforming. Public charter schools provide opportunity for innovation, research and development in a field too often stifled by the status quo.

Public charter schools are some of the top-performing schools in the country. Not only are they closing the achievement gap, but a higher percentage of charter students are accepted into a college or university.

Sadly, Virginia is near the bottom of the country in terms of charter school opportunity. For example, neighboring North Carolina has 167 public charter schools, compared to Virginia’s nine. Current Virginia law makes it nearly impossible to open a public charter school. Even if one does get approved to open, the school is not given the autonomy to innovate like charter schools in nearly every other state with a charter school law.

Example 3
From Hyra's website: Protect important 2nd Amendment constitutional rights against encroachment by restrictions proven to be ineffective, such as limitations on magazine capacity and on broad categories of firearms, “one gun per month” rules, etc.

•Keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and the severely mentally ill

From Gillespie's website: As governor, Ed will defend and advance our individual Second Amendment rights and work to protect the interests and proud traditions of Virginia’s sportsmen.

Where is Ralph Northam on this issue.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: does not compute ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:14PM

_Tarlton_ Wrote:
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> sh'up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > hearts & minds Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Maybe it's hyperbole, but in this election a
> > > handful of votes could make or break the
> > election.
> > > This comment is fucking stupid. If you don't
> > want
> > > to see the Old Dominion further overrun with
> > > illegals and other unsavory characters, you
> > should
> > > be stumping for as many votes as possible.
> > >
> > > Tarlton, Do exactly as this poster said,
> minus
> > the
> > > last sentence. Look what liberals have done
> to
> > the
> > > state and the nation, and come up with your
> own
> > > conclusion. Hopefully you will see Gillespie
> is
> > > our only chance to right the ship.
> >
> >
> > The OP is a leftwing troll. Go back and read
> his
> > other posts. He's 100% in the tank for Northam
> > already and this is just a troll thread. Both
> the
> > OP and you need to STFU and move on.
>
> I'm an independent, and a public one at that. Just
> because I am anti-Trump, doesn't mean I am anti
> Republican.


Then why the strong opposition to Neil Gorsuch?

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: racist Dems ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:18PM

You shouldn't Wrote:
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> He's a racist scumbag like the rest of the
> Republicans.


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http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/gubernatorial-candidate-ralph-northam-campaign-flier-removes-picture-of-lg/article_c771cac2-7364-5b15-92ba-cce8ce0c604c.html

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: President Trump FTW! ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:38PM

It's quite simple. If you hate the USA vote for the liberal.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: It's easy ()
Date: October 20, 2017 02:38PM

Gillespie has the support of Virginia's business community and LEO organizations. If your values align with small/medium business owners (lower taxes and less red tape) and/or law enforcement go with Ed. If your values align with open borders, expanding government services and higher taxes, go with Ralph. That's pretty much their platforms in a nutshell.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Ed no friend of small business ()
Date: October 20, 2017 03:49PM

Ed Gillespie's idea of what constitutes a small business is a business that has $10-100 million in sales. He is no friend of the true small businessman who might have a few hundred thousand to a couple of million dollars in gross receipts.

The amounts of tax paid for BPOL, merchant capital and tangible personal property by most small businesses is minimal. It is the hassle of having to account and file those multiple returns using different accounting methods than most small businesses use for their Federal income tax returns that makes it a pain. The same is true of state returns. Income, withholding, unemployment, annual reports and annual registration fees all having different timelines and having to be sent to different authorities, and some of which require businesses to hire outside companies just to meet the electronic filing requirements. Businesses that Ed Gillespie considers small businesses are large enough to economically farm these tasks out, or to have a specific in house person to do them. In true small businesses this task is usually being performed by the owners after hours or between serving customers.

If Ed was serious about helping truly small businesses develop in Virginia he would also reorient business development spending away from efforts to lure large companies with very expensive tax breaks and infrastructure improvements, and instead use it to provide lending for small business development. Your typical true small business owner frequently resorts to personal credit in order to finance his business because the administrative requirements and lending terms for commercial loans, including SBA loans, are too cumbersome and expensive for most true small businessmen to use.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Virginia first . ()
Date: October 20, 2017 03:50PM

Ed looks gay and if you are gay then vote for him
Otherwise vote for a Virginian

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Ngcjvh ()
Date: October 20, 2017 03:51PM

racist Dems Wrote:
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> You shouldn't Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > He's a racist scumbag like the rest of the
> > Republicans.
>
>


So you are voteing for Fairfax right?

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: racist Dems ()
Date: October 20, 2017 04:00PM

Ngcjvh Wrote:
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> racist Dems Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You shouldn't Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > He's a racist scumbag like the rest of the
> > > Republicans.
> >
> >
>
>
> So you are voteing for Fairfax right?

Why on earth would you make that absurd assumption? Oh, and it's spelled voting (no e). No need to thank me, I have pity on the less intelligent.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Ralphie the cuck ()
Date: October 20, 2017 04:06PM

Northam is a pedophile.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Can't spell ()
Date: October 20, 2017 04:07PM

racist Dems Wrote:
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> Ngcjvh Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > racist Dems Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > You shouldn't Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > He's a racist scumbag like the rest of the
> > > > Republicans.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > So you are voteing for Fairfax right?
>
> Why on earth would you make that absurd
> assumption? Oh, and it's spelled voting (no e).
> No need to thank me, I have pity on the less
> intelligent.


Thanks for the correction

Well since you said dems were racist I assumed weren't

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: racist Dems ()
Date: October 23, 2017 11:55AM

Can't spell Wrote:
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> racist Dems Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Ngcjvh Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > racist Dems Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > You shouldn't Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > He's a racist scumbag like the rest of
> the
> > > > > Republicans.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > So you are voteing for Fairfax right?
> >
> > Why on earth would you make that absurd
> > assumption? Oh, and it's spelled voting (no e).
>
> > No need to thank me, I have pity on the less
> > intelligent.
>
>
> Thanks for the correction
>
> Well since you said dems were racist I assumed
> weren't


That's a stupid assumption not based in any logic.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: October 23, 2017 02:49PM

Enron Ed is a national disgrace. Its surprising he's not in prison. Its only because he hasn't held political office yet.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Fixer Of It For You ()
Date: October 23, 2017 02:54PM

_Tarlton_ Wrote:
----
>
> I'm a liberal who likes to pretend he's an independent, and a public one at that. Just,
> because
I am anti-Trump, doesn'twhich means I am anti
> RepublAmerican libtard.



FIFY

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: I'm quoting a fudge packer post ()
Date: October 23, 2017 03:00PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Enron Ed isI'm a national disgrace. Its surprising
> he'sI'm not in prison. Its only because they haven't figured out what to do with a smelly diaperass like mehe hasn't
> held political office
yet.


FIFY

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: OP should axe hisself ()
Date: October 23, 2017 03:02PM

How would Bannister Tarlton, who he's directly descended from, have voted?

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Vote for Hyra regardless ()
Date: October 23, 2017 10:01PM

Ed no friend of small business Wrote:
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> Ed Gillespie's idea of what constitutes a small
> business is a business that has $10-100 million in
> sales. He is no friend of the true small
> businessman who might have a few hundred thousand
> to a couple of million dollars in gross receipts.
>
> The amounts of tax paid for BPOL, merchant capital
> and tangible personal property by most small
> businesses is minimal. It is the hassle of having
> to account and file those multiple returns using
> different accounting methods than most small
> businesses use for their Federal income tax
> returns that makes it a pain. The same is true of
> state returns. Income, withholding, unemployment,
> annual reports and annual registration fees all
> having different timelines and having to be sent
> to different authorities, and some of which
> require businesses to hire outside companies just
> to meet the electronic filing requirements.
> Businesses that Ed Gillespie considers small
> businesses are large enough to economically farm
> these tasks out, or to have a specific in house
> person to do them. In true small businesses this
> task is usually being performed by the owners
> after hours or between serving customers.
>
> If Ed was serious about helping truly small
> businesses develop in Virginia he would also
> reorient business development spending away from
> efforts to lure large companies with very
> expensive tax breaks and infrastructure
> improvements, and instead use it to provide
> lending for small business development. Your
> typical true small business owner frequently
> resorts to personal credit in order to finance his
> business because the administrative requirements
> and lending terms for commercial loans, including
> SBA loans, are too cumbersome and expensive for
> most true small businessmen to use.


This is spot on. There may be superficial similarities between Gillespie and Hyra, but there are plenty of differences. In addition to this, here are a couple of other examples.

- Their respective income tax plans are vastly different. Ed must think the average voter is stupid when he plugs his income tax plan. His 10% "cut" would save a family making $50k per year about $264. That's five bucks a week. Chump change. Listen to his ad carefully -- he starts by saying that someone just above the poverty line pays the same tax rate as a rich person. That's true -- Virginia's top marginal rate of 5.75% kicks in at 17K per year of income. But his plan doesn't change that -- if implemented, the top rate would be 5.15%, but it still kicks in at the same level. His plan doesn't address what he claims the problem to be. Aside from this, he leaves himself so much wiggle room on implementing the plan that you can't be sure it will ever be implemented. Hyra's plan would exempt the first $60K of income from state taxation. That's around $3000 of extra money for an average family. Real money.

- A big issue in other parts of Virginia is Dominion's pipeline. Dominion is talking about using the power of eminent domain to force landowners in rural parts of Virginia to hand over parts of their land so that Dominion can export natural gas. I have no problem with Dominion making money, but they shouldn't be allowed to force landowners to sell their land at less than market value just so they can make a buck. Keep in mind that Dominion would NEVER propose something like this in Northern Virginia; we have too much power here, but they are willing to run roughshod over people in rural areas of the state who are just getting by. Gillespie is a full throated supporter of the pipeline. Hyra is opposed. Hyra is the only candidate opposed (Northam also supports the pipeline.)

Any similarities between Gillespie's positions and Hyra's are trivial compared to how they are different. Hyra isn't running shameful ads on TV, either. The campaign ads we see from both sides are disgusting, and they both do it because voters are too scared to vote differently. A vote for Hyra, even if he doesn't win, will send a message that enough is enough.

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: Supply Sider Tard ()
Date: October 23, 2017 10:15PM

_Tarlton_ Wrote:
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> I was going to vote for Cliff Hyra, but he doesn't
> have a chance in hell to win the gubernatorial
> election. I'm torn between Gillespie and Northam.
> Both have their pros, both have their cons. I
> already know 99% of the people on this site are
> voting for Gillespie, so I ask, why should
> Gillespie get my vote as well? If the arguments
> for doing so are compelling, he'll have my vote.

Gillespie is going to cut taxes by $1600 per household, still have a balanced budget, and create 53,000 high paying jobs by the increased income stream from the tax cuts. So early 1980's.

P.S. - it doesn't work

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Re: My vote is up for grabs; Why should I vote for Ed Gillespie?
Posted by: We're gonna need a bigger boat ()
Date: October 24, 2017 06:38AM

Supply Sider Tard Wrote:
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> Gillespie is going to cut taxes by $1600 per
> household, still have a balanced budget, and
> create 53,000 high paying jobs by the increased
> income stream from the tax cuts. So early
> 1980's.
>
> P.S. - it doesn't work


You're so right! That average 7.1% growth rate under Reagan's two terms vs. Obama's incredible 2.8% was horrible. Everyone knows creating a massive dependent class that relies on government handouts is the way to go. Venezula's an economic paradise. Moron.

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