https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam?wprov=sfti1

This means you can convert to Islam without fear of going against your beliefs. You should convert to the one true faith at once. If you do, paradise awaits you..

Or do we have to bring our own?

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Moslems believe that Christ was a prophet.

Christians believe that he was the Son of God.

Jews believe that he was some crazy Jewish boy who got out of line.

Thus, if a Christian converts to Islam, he will have to go against his beliefs, as he will be forced to stop considering Christ as the Son of God.

Fuck islam. Muslims are beneath liberals in the stages of evolution and they are both at the bottom.

Islam is Satan.

Pork does a body good.

Scholar Wrote:
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> Moslems believe that Christ was a prophet.
>
> Christians believe that he was the Son of God.
>
> Jews believe that he was some crazy Jewish boy who
> got out of line.
>
> Thus, if a Christian converts to Islam, he will
> have to go against his beliefs, as he will be
> forced to stop considering Christ as the Son of
> God.


Spot on and allow me to elaborate:

Question to Muslims:

If Christ is one of YOUR prophets why did he say the following?

"I am the way the Truth and the Life and nobody can come to God the Father except through me?"

Oh YES, your answer is that European men twisted the words of Jesus when the New Testament was written or compiled.


Also, question to Jews:

Who was Jesus?

Was he lunatic?
Was he lying about who he was?

Or was he telling the truth about himself, that he Lord over all and the Messiah of the Jews and the whole world?

I find it intellectually dishonest that Jews claim "Jesus, a man tried to become God".
If God is All Powerful, who are you to tell Adonai that he cannot become a man, by being born into this world??

I also laugh when I see the bumper sticker which reads:

"Find Jesus in the Qu'ran" LOL. You don't need to look there and if you do you will only find a distortion about who he IS.


BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS "I AM" .. Is what Jesus also said of Himself.

Scholar Wrote:
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> Moslems believe that Christ was a prophet.
>
> Christians believe that he was the Son of God.
>
> Jews believe that he was some crazy Jewish boy who
> got out of line.
>
> Thus, if a Christian converts to Islam, he will
> have to go against his beliefs, as he will be
> forced to stop considering Christ as the Son of
> God.

To add on to this, some Christians believe Jesus is God.

More than a Prophet, HeISGod Wrote:
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> Scholar Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Moslems believe that Christ was a prophet.
> >
> > Christians believe that he was the Son of God.
> >
> > Jews believe that he was some crazy Jewish boy
> who
> > got out of line.
> >
> > Thus, if a Christian converts to Islam, he will
> > have to go against his beliefs, as he will be
> > forced to stop considering Christ as the Son of
> > God.
>
>
> Spot on and allow me to elaborate:
>
> Question to Muslims:
>
> If Christ is one of YOUR prophets why did he say
> the following?
>
> "I am the way the Truth and the Life and nobody
> can come to God the Father except through me?"
>
> Oh YES, your answer is that European men twisted
> the words of Jesus when the New Testament was
> written or compiled.
>
>
> Also, question to Jews:
>
> Who was Jesus?
>
> Was he lunatic?
> Was he lying about who he was?
>
> Or was he telling the truth about himself, that he
> Lord over all and the Messiah of the Jews and the
> whole world?
>
> I find it intellectually dishonest that Jews claim
> "Jesus, a man tried to become God".
> If God is All Powerful, who are you to tell Adonai
> that he cannot become a man, by being born into
> this world??
>
> I also laugh when I see the bumper sticker which
> reads:
>
> "Find Jesus in the Qu'ran" LOL. You don't need
> to look there and if you do you will only find a
> distortion about who he IS.
>
>
> BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS "I AM" .. Is what Jesus also
> said of Himself.


You sound crazy

More than a Prophet, HeISGod Wrote:
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> Spot on and allow me to elaborate:
>
> Question to Muslims:
>
> If Christ is one of YOUR prophets why did he say
> the following?
>
> "I am the way the Truth and the Life and nobody
> can come to God the Father except through me?"


Where did Jesus say that in the Quran?


> Oh YES, your answer is that European men twisted
> the words of Jesus when the New Testament was
> written or compiled.



Why would Muslims care about the Christian scriptures? The Quran is their book.



>
> Also, question to Jews:
>
> Who was Jesus?


An apostate Jew.


> Was he lunatic?


Being an apostate doesn't make him a lunatic. He was just trying to reform Jews.


> Was he lying about who he was?


He never said he was God.


>
> Or was he telling the truth about himself, that he
> Lord over all and the Messiah of the Jews and the
> whole world?


Those were lies Christians started up after Jesus died.


> I find it intellectually dishonest that Jews claim
> "Jesus, a man tried to become God".
> If God is All Powerful, who are you to tell Adonai
> that he cannot become a man, by being born into
> this world??


Because Adonai was not created. Didn't die either. Doesn't need a "second coming" to do his will either.


> I also laugh when I see the bumper sticker which
> reads:
>
> "Find Jesus in the Qu'ran" LOL. You don't need
> to look there and if you do you will only find a
> distortion about who he IS.

At least the Muslims don't worship him as an idol like Christians do. Christians are idol worshipers.

>
> BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS "I AM" .. Is what Jesus also
> said of Himself.


That is what some crazy Christians said that Jesus said.

I bet you think Jesus had blond hair and blue eyes, too.

Kuffar is a highly derogatory term, it's about the same as saying Muslim piece of shit.

So, go fuck yourself with a pork dildo you Muslim piece of shit.

They also believe in killing all non-muslims. Christians included

MXHKV Wrote:
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> More than a Prophet, HeISGod Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Spot on and allow me to elaborate:
> >
> > Question to Muslims:
> >
> > If Christ is one of YOUR prophets why did he
> say
> > the following?
> >
> > "I am the way the Truth and the Life and nobody
> > can come to God the Father except through me?"
>
>
> Where did Jesus say that in the Quran?

The Qu'ran was written WAY after the New Testament scriptures.
What the Qu'ran says about Jesus is historically inaccurate.


check John 14:6 of the new Testament, if your Rabbi permits you to, that is.


> > Oh YES, your answer is that European men
> twisted
> > the words of Jesus when the New Testament was
> > written or compiled.

> Why would Muslims care about the Christian
> scriptures? The Quran is their book.

As a Jew, where do you stand on Atonement of sins? Is it something you take care of once a year on Yom Kippur?
What about the sacrifices mentioned in the Torah?
How do you fulfill these requirements?




> > Also, question to Jews:
> >
> > Who was Jesus?

> An apostate Jew.
>

Jesus kept the law, was born lived and died a Jew. His teachings are only apostate to those who do not seek to understand them. If you haven't read the New Convenant Scriptures .. Mathhew through Revelation, how are you qualified to say that Jesus was an "Apostate Jew"?

>
> > Was he lunatic?
>
>
> Being an apostate doesn't make him a lunatic. He
> was just trying to reform Jews.

Jesus was not trying to reform anyone. He came as the fulfillment of myriads of prophesies from Moses throughout the Haftorah, Psalms, minor prophets .. the Tanakh contains many, many prophesies which align with the Life of Jesus and what he did here on earth.



> > Was he lying about who he was?
>
>
> He never said he was God.

[Jesus answered, "For a long time I have been with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why, then, do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? ] -- John 14:9

> >
> > Or was he telling the truth about himself, that
> he
> > Lord over all and the Messiah of the Jews and
> the
> > whole world?
>
>
> Those were lies Christians started up after Jesus
> died.

Jesus was and is the Messiah. He came back to life after being Dead for 3 days and 3 nights. :

Matthew 28The Guards’ Report

11 While the women were on their way, some of the guards went into the city and reported to the chief priests everything that had happened. 12 When the chief priests had met with the elders and devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say, ‘His disciples came during the night and stole him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers took the money and did as they were instructed. And this story has been widely circulated among the Jews to this very day.

Ever think they could have lied like this? (The Jews of that Era?)

>
> > I find it intellectually dishonest that Jews
> claim
> > "Jesus, a man tried to become God".
> > If God is All Powerful, who are you to tell
> Adonai
> > that he cannot become a man, by being born into
> > this world??
>
>
> Because Adonai was not created. Didn't die either.
> Doesn't need a "second coming" to do his will
> either.

Yes I agree, that Adonai was neither created, nor did he Die. He was alive all the time and is Eternal. While Jesus died, he did not. His Human embodiment died. Jesus died, but his Spirit preached to those in in Sheol.
1 Peter 3:19
After being made alive,[a] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—

Deuteronomy 18:15 The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”

17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”




> > I also laugh when I see the bumper sticker
> which
> > reads:
> >
> > "Find Jesus in the Qu'ran" LOL. You don't
> need
> > to look there and if you do you will only find
> a
> > distortion about who he IS.
>
> At least the Muslims don't worship him as an idol
> like Christians do. Christians are idol
> worshipers.

Christians worship the One G_d, Adonai who is God over both the Jew and the Non-Jew.

Your idea of idolatry might go back to your disbelief that Adona's plan for the Messiah was for Him to born into the world. Adonai did not intend for the Messiah to set up His Kingdom on earth like a politcal one, but His Kingdom is not of this world. It is of the age to come, but is still here and now in a spiritual way. His followers must worship Him in Spirit and Truth.


> > BEFORE ABRAHAM WAS "I AM" .. Is what Jesus
> also
> > said of Himself.
>
>
> That is what some crazy Christians said that Jesus
> said.

John 8:
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.


> I bet you think Jesus had blond hair and blue
> eyes, too.

Isaish 53:2
He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.

Revelation 1:
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword. His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

I imagine he had an olive complexion like other Jews would have in the Region and since he was Jewish he probably had dark hair.


Here is a Good Description of Jesus and what he went through to atone for your sins and for the sins of the whole World:
Isaiah 53

1 Who has believed our message
and to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?
2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
and like a root out of dry ground.
He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
nothing in his appearance that we should desire him.
3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes[c] his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,[g]
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,[h]
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.

the white ashkenazi jews (cohen, kagan, ...) are converts.
they are also mostly atheists.
they do not believe in the old testament beyond it being stories and fables which give some guidance on how to live....they believe in the talmud, although most of them don't realize the darkness within it.

muslims are more like the jews that one reads about in the old testament....they follow the law and truly believe in one God.


Christians believe in the old testament and see all through it, the message that "the messiah is coming" and the new testament is that the messiah is Jesus the saviour and God become man.

the most logical, consistent, of the religions is Christianity....

modern jews really worship themselves and their culture....they are nothing like the old testament jews of the bible.

muslims follow a polygamous murderous pedophile, and claim Jesus as a prophet who lied and had help from God in faking his death...

Your faith should be based on bacon.

It,s that simple.

More than a Prophet, HeISGod Wrote:
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> The Qu'ran was written WAY after the New Testament
> scriptures.
> What the Qu'ran says about Jesus is historically
> inaccurate.
>
>
> check John 14:6 of the new Testament, if your
> Rabbi permits you to, that is.


I'm not Jewish.



> As a Jew, where do you stand on Atonement of sins?
> Is it something you take care of once a year on
> Yom Kippur?
> What about the sacrifices mentioned in the Torah?
> How do you fulfill these requirements?

I'm not Jewish.

> Jesus kept the law, was born lived and died a Jew.
> His teachings are only apostate to those who do
> not seek to understand them. If you haven't read
> the New Convenant Scriptures .. Mathhew through
> Revelation, how are you qualified to say that
> Jesus was an "Apostate Jew"?

He did not keep the laws.

> Jesus was not trying to reform anyone. He came as
> the fulfillment of myriads of prophesies from
> Moses throughout the Haftorah, Psalms, minor
> prophets .. the Tanakh contains many, many
> prophesies which align with the Life of Jesus and
> what he did here on earth.


Yes, he was. He was not, however, trying to get people to worship him. The Hebrew scriptures say nothing of Jesus. Christians try to find ways to fit Jesus into the Hebrew scriptures.


>
> [Jesus answered, "For a long time I have been
> with you all; yet you do not know me, Philip?
> Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. Why,
> then, do you say, ‘Show us the Father’? ] --
> John 14:9

That doesn't support your assertion; He didn't say he was God.



> Jesus was and is the Messiah. He came back to
> life after being Dead for 3 days and 3 nights. :
>
> Matthew 28The Guards’ Report
>
> 11 While the women were on their way, some of the
> guards went into the city and reported to the
> chief priests everything that had happened. 12
> When the chief priests had met with the elders and
> devised a plan, they gave the soldiers a large sum
> of money, 13 telling them, “You are to say,
> ‘His disciples came during the night and stole
> him away while we were asleep.’ 14 If this
> report gets to the governor, we will satisfy him
> and keep you out of trouble.” 15 So the soldiers
> took the money and did as they were instructed.
> And this story has been widely circulated among
> the Jews to this very day.
>
> Ever think they could have lied like this? (The
> Jews of that Era?)

Yes. Abraham lied so why wouldn't the Jews of Jesus' era.



> Yes I agree, that Adonai was neither created, nor
> did he Die. He was alive all the time and is
> Eternal. While Jesus died, he did not. His Human
> embodiment died. Jesus died, but his Spirit
> preached to those in in Sheol.
> 1 Peter 3:19
> After being made alive,[a] he went and made
> proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—


Jesus died because he is not God. God can't die.


> Deuteronomy 18:15 The Lord your God will raise up
> for you a prophet like me from among you, from
> your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16
> For this is what you asked of the Lord your God at
> Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said,
> “Let us not hear the voice of the Lord our God
> nor see this great fire anymore, or we will
> die.”
>
> 17 The Lord said to me: “What they say is good.
> 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you
> from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put
> my words in his mouth. He will tell them
> everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to
> account anyone who does not listen to my words
> that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a
> prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything
> I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in
> the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”


Still doesn't say Jesus is God or the Messiah.


> Christians worship the One G_d, Adonai who is God
> over both the Jew and the Non-Jew.
>
> Your idea of idolatry might go back to your
> disbelief that Adona's plan for the Messiah was
> for Him to born into the world. Adonai did not
> intend for the Messiah to set up His Kingdom on
> earth like a politcal one, but His Kingdom is not
> of this world. It is of the age to come, but is
> still here and now in a spiritual way. His
> followers must worship Him in Spirit and Truth.


Christians believe Jesus is God--that is idol worship.


> > That is what some crazy Christians said that
> Jesus
> > said.
>
> John 8:
> 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered,
> “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this,
> they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid
> himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.


He didn't say he was God.


> > I bet you think Jesus had blond hair and blue
> > eyes, too.
>
> Isaish 53:2
> He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and
> like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or
> majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his
> appearance that we should desire him.
>
> Revelation 1:
> 13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son
> of man,[d] dressed in a robe reaching down to his
> feet and with a golden sash around his chest. 14
> The hair on his head was white like wool, as white
> as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire. 15
> His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace,
> and his voice was like the sound of rushing
> waters. 16 In his right hand he held seven stars,
> and coming out of his mouth was a sharp,
> double-edged sword. His face was like the sun
> shining in all its brilliance.
>
> I imagine he had an olive complexion like other
> Jews would have in the Region and since he was
> Jewish he probably had dark hair.


Imagine? Probably? He was definitely not fair skinned and flaxen haired.


>
> Here is a Good Description of Jesus and what he
> went through to atone for your sins and for the
> sins of the whole World:
> Isaiah 53
>
> 1 Who has believed our message
> and to whom has the arm of the Lord been
> revealed?
> 2 He grew up before him like a tender shoot,
> and like a root out of dry ground.
> He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him,
> nothing in his appearance that we should
> desire him.
> 3 He was despised and rejected by mankind,
> a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
> Like one from whom people hide their faces
> he was despised, and we held him in low
> esteem.
> 4 Surely he took up our pain
> and bore our suffering,
> yet we considered him punished by God,
> stricken by him, and afflicted.
> 5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
> he was crushed for our iniquities;
> the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
> and by his wounds we are healed.
> 6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
> each of us has turned to our own way;
> and the Lord has laid on him
> the iniquity of us all.
> 7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
> yet he did not open his mouth;
> he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
> and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
> so he did not open his mouth.
> 8 By oppression[a] and judgment he was taken
> away.
> Yet who of his generation protested?
> For he was cut off from the land of the living;
> for the transgression of my people he was
> punished.
> 9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
> and with the rich in his death,
> though he had done no violence,
> nor was any deceit in his mouth.
> 10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and
> cause him to suffer,
> and though the Lord makes[c] his life an
> offering for sin,
> he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
> and the will of the Lord will prosper in his
> hand.
> 11 After he has suffered,
> he will see the light of life[d] and be
> satisfied[e];
> by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will
> justify many,
> and he will bear their iniquities.
> 12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the
> great,[g]
> and he will divide the spoils with the
> strong,[h]
> because he poured out his life unto death,
> and was numbered with the transgressors.
> For he bore the sin of many,
> and made intercession for the transgressors.


He didn't atone for anyone's sins because only animals were used for sacrifice. That's why Isaac was spared, and that prohibition didn't change.

You seem to like quoting verses, so read these:

Ezekiel 18:20-23

20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?

XBTLT Wrote:

wow xb, you know everything....especially what God can and cannot do...

and you don't say what you believe, because you know you are full of shit and have no clue beyond your hate for Jesus

First of All, OP is wrong. Muslims may believe that Jesus existed and walked the earth, but they certainly don't Trust in his Saving Grace given to us when he bled and died, as a sacrifice for the sins of every human being.

His Kingdom cannot be observed with the natural eye/

Luke 17:20-21
The Coming of the Kingdom of God

20 Once, on being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, Jesus replied, “The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed, 21 nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is in your midst.”[a]

Footnotes:

a. Luke 17:21 Or is within you



The Good news is that the Kingdom of God is in your midst. It is attainable to all who believe: Romans 10:9-10

"Kuffar" is very insulting and derogatory, "Kuffar friends" is outrageously hypocritical, mohammed is a child-raping piece of shit and Muslims are satanist pigs.