Hey, Trump has to pass something.

I heard Trump talking about this yesterday. What an idiot to think he knows better than Congress and has a way better plan. I seriously doubt that Trump will introduce anything new next week.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-trump/trump-order-to-roll-back-some-obamacare-requirements-white-house-idUSKBN1CH24C?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews

More government subsidies, what a surprise-
The order instructs the labor secretary to consider steps that would make it easier for small businesses to band together as associations across state lines to buy cheaper health plans that would be exempt from some Obamacare requirements.

Those requirements include the mandate that all health plans cover 10 essential health benefits, including maternity and newborn care, prescription drugs, and mental health and addiction treatment.

The order also instructs the departments of Health and Human Services, Labor and Treasury to change an Obama-era limit on the time span people can use short-term health insurance plans, which are cheaper but cover few medical benefits. Those plans are currently limited to three months.

Republicans in the house are already scrambling to distance themselves from TrumpCare 9.0.

What healthcare mess Trump has created.

That last thing I need to have my insurance rates go up again! Thanks Trump!

Thanks Trump! Wrote:
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> Republicans in the house are already scrambling to
> distance themselves from TrumpCare 9.0.
>
> What healthcare mess Trump has created.
>
> That last thing I need to have my insurance rates
> go up again! Thanks Trump!


They were going up anyway stupid.

The whole point is to force Congress to get off of their asses and deal with it.

is pulling subsidies and allowing phony cheap non-coverage policies will cause those in the most need of insurance to see rates skyrocket. All will see rates increase as many drop off the roles and default to ER care on the Hospital's backs.

TrumpCare TM Wrote:
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> is pulling subsidies and allowing phony cheap
> non-coverage policies will cause those in the most
> need of insurance to see rates skyrocket. All
> will see rates increase as many drop off the roles
> and default to ER care on the Hospital's backs.


That's exactly wrong. "Those most in need" at the lower end are not affected. Those subsidies are funded in a different way.

And ER care actually has increased significantly since Obamacare was passed.

Learn then post, not vice versa Wrote:
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> TrumpCare TM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > is pulling subsidies and allowing phony cheap
> > non-coverage policies will cause those in the
> most
> > need of insurance to see rates skyrocket. All
> > will see rates increase as many drop off the
> roles
> > and default to ER care on the Hospital's backs.
>
>
> That's exactly wrong. "Those most in need" at the
> lower end are not affected. Those subsidies are
> funded in a different way.
>
> And ER care actually has increased significantly
> since Obamacare was passed.

Possible modest increase in ER since ACA http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/mar/10/tom-price/hhs-chief-tom-price-correct-er-use-obamacare/

Effects on poor will be mixed. In States that did not expand medicaid Insurers mostly already jacked up 2018 prices planning for loss of subsidies. Those Silver plans are already priced for loss of subsidies. States that thought they were stable (Blue states) will suffer as insurers will now jack up prices or pull out.

Overall the effect will be insurers pulling out of markets making ACA insurance unavailable for millions of people who currently have access to it. The prices have already gone up because of Trump and GOP winning for just this reason.

This is now TRUMPCARE - it is not Obamacare anymore...

This is now TRUMPCARE Wrote:
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> Learn then post, not vice versa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TrumpCare TM Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > is pulling subsidies and allowing phony cheap
> > > non-coverage policies will cause those in the
> > most
> > > need of insurance to see rates skyrocket.
> All
> > > will see rates increase as many drop off the
> > roles
> > > and default to ER care on the Hospital's
> backs.
> >
> >
> > That's exactly wrong. "Those most in need" at
> the
> > lower end are not affected. Those subsidies are
> > funded in a different way.
> >
> > And ER care actually has increased
> significantly
> > since Obamacare was passed.
>
> Possible modest increase in ER since ACA
> http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements
> /2017/mar/10/tom-price/hhs-chief-tom-price-correct
> -er-use-obamacare/

Which is what I said. The whole ER room thing was just a nonsense attempt at justification for Obamacare to begin with. People who go to the ER for care go there regardless whether or not they have insurance. When they do have insurance, they will tend to go in larger numbers. As they have.

> Effects on poor will be mixed. In States that did
> not expand medicaid Insurers mostly already jacked
> up 2018 prices planning for loss of subsidies.
> Those Silver plans are already priced for loss of
> subsidies. States that thought they were stable
> (Blue states) will suffer as insurers will now
> jack up prices or pull out.

These subsidies do not affect the poor. That's a separate pool of money. No, they did not jack up prices in anticipation. That's not how it works. The rates are approved in advance and for this year were submitted and approved back in August. In a few cases, e.g., Colorado, the state insurance boards had them submit two sets of rates, which to be approved subject to later determination. In either case, as above, the rates do not affect subsidies to the poor. They affect those at 250% of poverty level and above.

>
> Overall the effect will be insurers pulling out of
> markets making ACA insurance unavailable for
> millions of people who currently have access to
> it. The prices have already gone up because of
> Trump and GOP winning for just this reason.

Increases in premium prices are not due to Trump. Trump has done nothing to affect prices other than just this past week. Rates already were submitted and set back in August (based on actuarial data for the pools given previous year's experience) and were +20% higher before that even happened. The higher costs are due mostly to fatal flaws in Obamacare which create a much higher risk pool than the policy dreamers expected since young healthy people aren't stupid enough to pay 3X what they otherwise should be paying.

> This is now TRUMPCARE - it is not Obamacare
> anymore...

This failure will ALWAYS be OBAMACARE.

It's officially TrumpCare since Trump has now fucked it up by gov subsidies and cross-exchanges.

TrumpCare Wrote:
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> It's officially TrumpCare since Trump has now
> fucked it up by gov subsidies and cross-exchanges.


You can't pass this turd.

It will always be Obamacare

No matter how hard you grunt... Wrote:
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> TrumpCare Wrote:
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> -----
> > It's officially TrumpCare since Trump has now
> > fucked it up by gov subsidies and
> cross-exchanges.
>
>
> You can't pass this turd.
>
> It will always be Obamacare

Trump has to take responsibility for his actions. TrumpCare sucks!

Republicans try for 8 years to come up with a better solution. Trump takes 3 months and make changes that fuck it up completely.

Did Trump think republicans weren't trying to come with a better solution after 8 years?

Trump Care is a disaster. These idiot Republican saboteur's leave us no choice but to created a single payer system like every other God damn country in the world.

It's Trumpcare Now! Wrote:
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> No matter how hard you grunt... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > TrumpCare Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It's officially TrumpCare since Trump has now
> > > fucked it up by gov subsidies and
> > cross-exchanges.
> >
> >
> > You can't pass this turd.
> >
> > It will always be Obamacare
>
> Trump has to take responsibility for his actions.
> TrumpCare sucks!
>
> Republicans try for 8 years to come up with a
> better solution. Trump takes 3 months and make
> changes that fuck it up completely.
>
> Did Trump think republicans weren't trying to come
> with a better solution after 8 years?


Funny watching libtards trying to play pass the turd now. lol

Soory, it's not going to work.

Obamacare forever!

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Trump Care is a disaster. These idiot Republican
> saboteur's leave us no choice but to created a
> single payer system like every other God damn
> country in the world.


"...But even with all of those potential revenue-boosters, Sanders may still fall far short of the total amount of money needed to pay for his ambitious program. Altogether, his estimates of how much money his funding mechanisms would generate totals up to around $16 trillion over 10 years. In a 2016 report on his presidential campaign's "Medicare for All" plan, the Urban Institute estimated that the plan would cost $32 trillion over 10 years."

The subsidies were illegal, unconstitutional. The rule of law has been restored. President Trump is doing his job. Obama is a terrorist.

Truth is we havent seen the full effects of TRUMPCARE in action just yet - we will see in 2018 what happens. In many respects insurance companies predicted what Trump would do and jacked rates this year already so we do have partial TRUMPCARE.

Why not give him the same chance we gave Obama on his ACA? Lets see what happens.

Good luck TRUMPCARE US needs good healthcare.

I'm working on putting together a group for cyclist that ride at least 80 miles a week, don't smoke or have diabetes. It will be very affordable and cover what is needed. This is what America is about. Free market and choice.

Entrepreneur Wrote:
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> I'm working on putting together a group for
> cyclist that ride at least 80 miles a week, don't
> smoke or have diabetes. It will be very affordable
> and cover what is needed. This is what America is
> about. Free market and choice.


True dat. Why can't people pay money when they get really sick then go on Medicaid if they run out? This would lead to the most efficient healthcare. Prices would become very competitive and people could choose what they want to do.

Pc retardz Wrote:
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> Entrepreneur Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm working on putting together a group for
> > cyclist that ride at least 80 miles a week,
> don't
> > smoke or have diabetes. It will be very
> affordable
> > and cover what is needed. This is what America
> is
> > about. Free market and choice.
>
>
> True dat. Why can't people pay money when they get
> really sick then go on Medicaid if they run out?
> This would lead to the most efficient healthcare.
> Prices would become very competitive and people
> could choose what they want to do.

What president Trump has done should lead to what all Americans want. An al a Carter plan where you pay for what you need. Under the unconstitutional and illegal Obamacare all Americans are overpaying for services unrelated to their needs, wants or sex.

Thank God for constitutional warrior president Trump!

That's "a la carte"
Fucking Android 8.0 update!
Lol!

Entrepreneur Wrote:
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> I'm working on putting together a group for
> cyclist that ride at least 80 miles a week, don't
> smoke or have diabetes. It will be very affordable
> and cover what is needed. This is what America is
> about. Free market and choice.


I ride an average of 115 mi. a week, no diabetes, no illnesses, no pre-existing conditions, resting heart rate of 45, Blood Pressure is 110/70, I only eat about 1/4 meat a week, I swim, run and weight lift but Im 57 - your group would be fucked if I signed up.

My age is what would screw the algorythm

oloooss Wrote:
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> Entrepreneur Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm working on putting together a group for
> > cyclist that ride at least 80 miles a week,
> don't
> > smoke or have diabetes. It will be very
> affordable
> > and cover what is needed. This is what America
> is
> > about. Free market and choice.
>
>
> I ride an average of 115 mi. a week, no diabetes,
> no illnesses, no pre-existing conditions, resting
> heart rate of 45, Blood Pressure is 110/70, I only
> eat about 1/4 meat a week, I swim, run and weight
> lift but Im 57 - your group would be fucked if I
> signed up.
>
> My age is what would screw the algorythm


Algorithm.

And not necessarily since you could select a group that eliminates or has very limited maternity coverage, for congenital and typical childhood diseases, both of which are major cost sinks, as well as other applicable exceptions presenting low risk for that group. If you're 57, then you're already past the point where such things typically happen and could safely self-segregate into a policy that better fits. You are at higher risk for others like cancer and heart disease for which you would want coverage. In fact, at 57 you're more likely to just drop dead than be a big cost risk up to the point that you reach somewhat higher age ranges where you then slowly suck large amounts of money as you waste away at end of life. But then most are on public health insurance at that point so that's moot as far as private insurance.

Bernie Bro Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Trump Care is a disaster. These idiot
> Republican
> > saboteur's leave us no choice but to created a
> > single payer system like every other God damn
> > country in the world.
>
>
> "...But even with all of those potential
> revenue-boosters, Sanders may still fall far short
> of the total amount of money needed to pay for his
> ambitious program. Altogether, his estimates of
> how much money his funding mechanisms would
> generate totals up to around $16 trillion over 10
> years. In a 2016 report on his presidential
> campaign's "Medicare for All" plan, the Urban
> Institute estimated that the plan would cost $32
> trillion over 10 years."

We pay way more than that over 10 years now. It's just we have middle men insurance industry profiteers getting in on the action and giving minimal care for maximum dollar. The current system is unsustainable and is eating the economy alive. Whether you like it or not you're going to have to reign it in.

Now, if you want to purchase complimentary private insurance along with your medicare for all coverage, you're free to do so just like the Australians do. Who by the way, Trump complimented for having better health care than us.

Yeah, your taxes might go up a little, a percent or two. Put most of the burden on the rich that have increased their wealth exponentially in recent years at the expense of everyone else. But overall the middle class will be in better health, be more productive, create more revenue and save a ton of money.

It should be the first job of every president to ensure that all Americans are healthy. The healthier Americans, the more prosperous the USA.

Personally, I pay a fuck load of taxes. I would prefer we keep our nuke subs full flush then cut the rest of the military in half. All of it. In half. The nukes can keep anyone from attacking us our our interests. The rest is mostly bullshit. I would consider fully funding the Coast Guard as they actually devote their energy to our near proximity. Navy - come on, we gonna barrage someones shores with a battleship - I dont think so.

Take a fraction of the savings and provide universal healthcare for every breathing person in our country. I dont give a fuck if they came into the country by hanging onto a semi - fuck it. I dont even care if this helps the moronic Trump voters. Universal payer. We would still come out way ahead on our overhead. You want topself medical fine pay for private insurance.

Another good approach to lowering healthcare costs would be to stop filling the air, land and water with poison. Shit like coal mining, coal burning and fossil fuels makes millions sick and that shit is expensive. Big Oil has been planning for the end for decades - they will be just fine.

comeonman Wrote:
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> Personally, I pay a fuck load of taxes. I would
> prefer we keep our nuke subs full flush then cut
> the rest of the military in half. All of it. In
> half. The nukes can keep anyone from attacking us
> our our interests. The rest is mostly bullshit.
> I would consider fully funding the Coast Guard as
> they actually devote their energy to our near
> proximity. Navy - come on, we gonna barrage
> someones shores with a battleship - I dont think
> so.
>
> Take a fraction of the savings and provide
> universal healthcare for every breathing person in
> our country. I dont give a fuck if they came into
> the country by hanging onto a semi - fuck it. I
> dont even care if this helps the moronic Trump
> voters. Universal payer. We would still come out
> way ahead on our overhead. You want topself
> medical fine pay for private insurance.
>
> Another good approach to lowering healthcare costs
> would be to stop filling the air, land and water
> with poison. Shit like coal mining, coal burning
> and fossil fuels makes millions sick and that shit
> is expensive. Big Oil has been planning for the
> end for decades - they will be just fine.


+1, We spend far too much invading countries that after we leave go right back to what they were before. Time to focus on a making Americans health and strong at home like Spartans!

Spartan Strong Wrote:
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> comeonman Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Personally, I pay a fuck load of taxes. I
> would
> > prefer we keep our nuke subs full flush then
> cut
> > the rest of the military in half. All of it.
> In
> > half. The nukes can keep anyone from attacking
> us
> > our our interests. The rest is mostly bullshit.
>
> > I would consider fully funding the Coast Guard
> as
> > they actually devote their energy to our near
> > proximity. Navy - come on, we gonna barrage
> > someones shores with a battleship - I dont
> think
> > so.
> >
> > Take a fraction of the savings and provide
> > universal healthcare for every breathing person
> in
> > our country. I dont give a fuck if they came
> into
> > the country by hanging onto a semi - fuck it.
> I
> > dont even care if this helps the moronic Trump
> > voters. Universal payer. We would still come
> out
> > way ahead on our overhead. You want topself
> > medical fine pay for private insurance.
> >
> > Another good approach to lowering healthcare
> costs
> > would be to stop filling the air, land and
> water
> > with poison. Shit like coal mining, coal
> burning
> > and fossil fuels makes millions sick and that
> shit
> > is expensive. Big Oil has been planning for
> the
> > end for decades - they will be just fine.
>
>
> +1, We spend far too much invading countries that
> after we leave go right back to what they were
> before. Time to focus on a making Americans
> health and strong at home like Spartans!

So you're so stupid that you need a government to tell you to eat healthy, don't eat processed foods, drink soda, etc. and exercise regularly. Something as simple as walking an hour every day? Well, here in the USA it's not the governments job to babysit you stupid fucking libtard faggots.

Go fuck off, do drugs, drink too much, eat like shit and fucking die!