Contrary to commonly held beliefs, migrants typically boost economic output and give more than they take. Detailed investigations show that immigration generally increases employment in host communities, does not crowd out locals from the job market and improves rates of investment in new businesses and initiatives. Overall, the impact of migrants on public finances—both national and local—is relatively small, while there is ample evidence of gains in other areas such as social diversity and the capacity for innovation.

http://www.undp.org/hdr2009.shtml

You're a fucking idiot Vince. Did you even read the report on "Migration" (not IMMIGRATION you fucking turd).

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Taking down barriers

Overcoming barriers lays out a core package of reforms, six ‘pillars’ that call for:

• Opening existing entry channels for more workers, especially those with low skills;
• Ensuring basic human rights for migrants, from basic services, like education and health care, to the right to vote;
• Lowering the transaction costs of migration;
• Finding collaborative solutions that benefit both destination communities and migrants;
• Easing internal migration; and
• Adding migration as a component for origin countries’ development strategies.

In terms of international migration, the Report does not advocate wholesale liberalization, since people at destination places have a right to shape their societies; but it argues that there is a strong case for increased access for sectors with a high demand for labour, including for the low-skilled. This is particularly important for developed countries because their populations are ageing—and this may increase the demand for migrant workers.
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This is called an intelligent discussion of the issues, not a wholesale adoption of letting immigration run riot as you would like to move to.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

"Migrant" workers aren't immigrants (legal or otherwise). They are foreign workers who come into the country to do a specific job, like picking lettuce in California, and return to their home country when the work is done.

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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

The report is more specifically dealing with migrant workers internal to a country. It touches on immigrants as well, but it is talking community to community in the report more than across national boundaries. Where it does touch on those has little to do with the paragraph he clipped.

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Challenging common misconceptions

The findings in this Report cast new light on some common misconceptions. Most migrants do not cross national borders, but instead move within their own country: 740 million people are internal migrants, almost four times the number of international migrants. Among international migrants, less than 30 percent move from developing to developed countries. For example, only three percent of Africans live outside their country of birth.
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If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/07/2009 03:38PM by Registered Voter.

What we see:

"Contrary to commonly held beliefs, migrants typically boost economic output and give more than they take. Detailed investigations show that immigration generally increases employment in host communities, does not crowd out locals from the job market and improves rates of investment in new businesses and initiatives. Overall, the impact of migrants on public finances—both national and local—is relatively small, while there is ample evidence of gains in other areas such as social diversity and the capacity for innovation."

What Vince saw:

"Contrary to commonly held beliefs, immigrants boost economic output and give more than they take. Detailed investigations show that immigration increases employment in host communities, does not crowd out locals from the job market and improves rates of investment in new businesses and initiatives. The impact of immigrants on public finances—both national and local—is relatively small, while there is ample evidence of gains in other areas such as social diversity and the capacity for innovation."

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

I personally think immigration can be good for a community. This report just isn't about that.

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Con-RestonLass Wrote:
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> Contrary to commonly held beliefs, migrants
> typically boost economic output and give more than
> they take. Detailed investigations show that
> immigration generally increases employment in host
> communities, does not crowd out locals from the
> job market and improves rates of investment in new
> businesses and initiatives. Overall, the impact of
> migrants on public finances—both national and
> local—is relatively small, while there is ample
> evidence of gains in other areas such as social
> diversity and the capacity for innovation.
>
> http://www.undp.org/hdr2009.shtml

That's stupid.

Fruppie Wrote:
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>
> That's stupid.


You're dumb.

In terms of international migration, the Report does not advocate wholesale liberalization, since people at destination places have a right to shape their societies; but it argues that there is a strong case for increased access for sectors with a high demand for labour, including for the low-skilled. This is particularly important for developed countries because their populations are ageing—and this may increase the demand for migrant workers.

By the way..,I was a t a social gathering last weekend..the topic of pool management companies came up. Seems many companies are starting to "imprt" labor...kids here dont want the work...and when they take the job they dont really work...they play.

COn_COn Everyone Wrote:
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> By the way..,I was a t a social gathering last
> weekend..the topic of pool management companies
> came up. Seems many companies are starting to
> "imprt" labor...kids here dont want the work...and
> when they take the job they dont really
> work...they play.



Kids here don't want to work. They all have a sense of entitlement created by helicopter parents who solve all of their problems and protect them from the failures you need to experience while growing up in order to deal with the world. When I hit the workforce, I had two choices. Work or be homeless. More kids today need to be faced with those choices. The idea of not having anything to eat is a real motivator.

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The companies don't want to pay prevailing wage - so yeah the kids don't want the jobs. At some point they are going to have to start charging more for their services, and they need to get over it. They make that as an argument for needing immigrant labor. It is cheaper for them to deal with immigrants as it lowers the taxes they pay, and insurance and such. It isn't just the workers that have the problem.

As far as kids playing, if that is what they want to do then fire them and get someone that does want to work.

Sure, costs will go up, but that will then drive other changes.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Thank you RV for sharing your beliefs. You are obviously a deep thinker and highly intelligent.

Hey, I got an award for it!
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If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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The issue is we aren't procreating sufficiently to sustain ourselves. In Europe they need your Arabs to sustain themselves...here we have hispanics to sustain us.