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Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
need a pc
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Date: September 25, 2009 09:48AM
It's been awhile since I've been on the market for one for myself (I usually get one from work) but am now on the market. I'm a developer by trade so need the want the fastest CPU around. I'll get at least 4gb mem but can someone update me on where things are at these days?
I see we're in QUAD stage now for cpu. How's the AMD v Intel wars?
What's the bus speed these days?
What's the mem speed these days?
What type of Powersupply do I need if I decide to build myself (wattage)
Thanks
I see we're in QUAD stage now for cpu. How's the AMD v Intel wars?
What's the bus speed these days?
What's the mem speed these days?
What type of Powersupply do I need if I decide to build myself (wattage)
Thanks
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
bloody blisters
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Date: September 25, 2009 03:10PM
We are all Mac users, sorry. im being nice even speaking to you, you should get a MacBook because they are AWESOME. PCs suck soo much with all their viruses and Faulty windows programs. Macs are the greatest. if you want people to even notice you, you must be a Mac-head otherwise you are no better than a piece of rubbish.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
oooo herrrrro
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Date: September 25, 2009 03:31PM
dont buy any top of the line pc
buy down a little and save a rack of money
buy down a little and save a rack of money
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Merritt
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Date: September 25, 2009 04:27PM
Top of the line processor, the Intel Core i7 975 Extreme, will cost you around $1000 for just the processor.Pair that w/ a decent motherboard and other parts and you're looking at spending at least a few thousand dollars. Might as well call up Alienware and get one of their gaming rigs- they are quite powerful.
Also, from what I've seen in the field, the bottleneck that developers have is memory, not processing power. Anyway, with some of the i7 compatible motherboards, they can support up to about 24gb memory, so you should be fine.
But realistically, don't buy top of the line. Just a waste of money.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2009 04:28PM by Merritt.
Also, from what I've seen in the field, the bottleneck that developers have is memory, not processing power. Anyway, with some of the i7 compatible motherboards, they can support up to about 24gb memory, so you should be fine.
But realistically, don't buy top of the line. Just a waste of money.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/25/2009 04:28PM by Merritt.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
need a pc
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Date: September 26, 2009 12:25PM
Is Alienware considered the fastest? I don't really need the fast graphics. Thanks
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Gravis
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Date: September 27, 2009 04:48PM
oooo herrrrro Wrote:
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> dont buy any top of the line pc
> buy down a little and save a rack of money
+1
Merritt Wrote:
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> Also, from what I've seen in the field, the
> bottleneck that developers have is memory, not
> processing power. Anyway, with some of the i7
> compatible motherboards, they can support up to
> about 24gb memory, so you should be fine.
windows XP only supports up to 3GB of RAM and Win 7 only supports up to 4GB of RAM. i have 8GB of RAM which is really nice even though i dont often exceed 2GB of RAM (only when compiling HUGE chunks of code). i think the current limitation on linux is 256GB of RAM (there are motherboards that support that) but i expect that limit will be removed soon enough.
windows fail.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2009 04:48PM by Gravis.
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> dont buy any top of the line pc
> buy down a little and save a rack of money
+1
Merritt Wrote:
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> Also, from what I've seen in the field, the
> bottleneck that developers have is memory, not
> processing power. Anyway, with some of the i7
> compatible motherboards, they can support up to
> about 24gb memory, so you should be fine.
windows XP only supports up to 3GB of RAM and Win 7 only supports up to 4GB of RAM. i have 8GB of RAM which is really nice even though i dont often exceed 2GB of RAM (only when compiling HUGE chunks of code). i think the current limitation on linux is 256GB of RAM (there are motherboards that support that) but i expect that limit will be removed soon enough.
windows fail.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/27/2009 04:48PM by Gravis.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Bezerk
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Date: September 27, 2009 05:48PM
So you're comparing 32bit Windows to 64bit Linux? windows 2008 supports up to 2TB of mem. Linux is bloated. Even your god Linus Torvalds said so.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 29, 2009 01:38PM
Bezerk Wrote:
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> So you're comparing 32bit Windows to 64bit Linux?
windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
> windows 2008 supports up to 2TB of mem.
correct, server versions of windows have some special drivers that work for on some specific hardware. from what i've been told from someone who actually works with this stuff is that it's a huge pain.
> Linux is bloated. Even your god Linus Torvalds said so.
it's bloated if you include every driver for linux built-in. if you only build-in the components/drivers you need, it's very slim. there is also the option to make components/drivers modules that are only loaded if needed. the linux kernel can be < 100KB. linux is the OS of choice for embedded systems for good reason.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2009 01:38PM by Gravis.
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> So you're comparing 32bit Windows to 64bit Linux?
windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
> windows 2008 supports up to 2TB of mem.
correct, server versions of windows have some special drivers that work for on some specific hardware. from what i've been told from someone who actually works with this stuff is that it's a huge pain.
> Linux is bloated. Even your god Linus Torvalds said so.
it's bloated if you include every driver for linux built-in. if you only build-in the components/drivers you need, it's very slim. there is also the option to make components/drivers modules that are only loaded if needed. the linux kernel can be < 100KB. linux is the OS of choice for embedded systems for good reason.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/29/2009 01:38PM by Gravis.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Joe Wilson
()
Date: September 29, 2009 08:27PM
YOU LIE!
> windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254
64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
> windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254
64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
ffxstoner
()
Date: September 29, 2009 09:23PM
Joe Wilson Wrote:
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> YOU LIE!
>
> > windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254
>
> 64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
lol linux fag ownd. Get a vista its not that bad its just linux fags and nubs who complain about it. 8gbs or ram + Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 ghz + 9800 ultra is my setup and it kiks ass.
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> YOU LIE!
>
> > windows 7 64bit only supports 4GB of RAM.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=4254
>
> 64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
lol linux fag ownd. Get a vista its not that bad its just linux fags and nubs who complain about it. 8gbs or ram + Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 ghz + 9800 ultra is my setup and it kiks ass.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Charlie Schmidt's "cool cat"
()
Date: September 30, 2009 12:14PM
your processor is the bottleneck there
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
StarKist
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Date: September 30, 2009 12:15PM
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Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: September 30, 2009 12:18PM
Make sure you have a good cooling solution for your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be avoiding heat load issues these days.
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Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
ffxstoner
()
Date: September 30, 2009 03:18PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Make sure you have a good cooling solution for
> your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> avoiding heat load issues these days.
orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think it was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my temperature stays about 65-80
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2009 03:21PM by ffxstoner.
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> Make sure you have a good cooling solution for
> your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> avoiding heat load issues these days.
orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think it was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my temperature stays about 65-80
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2009 03:21PM by ffxstoner.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: September 30, 2009 04:02PM
ffxstoner Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Make sure you have a good cooling solution for
> > your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> > avoiding heat load issues these days.
>
>
> orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think it
> was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my
> temperature stays about 65-80
Mine crashed once every couple days, catastrophic failure-style, due to the hard drive overheating.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Make sure you have a good cooling solution for
> > your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> > avoiding heat load issues these days.
>
>
> orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think it
> was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my
> temperature stays about 65-80
Mine crashed once every couple days, catastrophic failure-style, due to the hard drive overheating.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: September 30, 2009 04:07PM
MrMephisto Wrote:
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> ffxstoner Wrote:
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> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Make sure you have a good cooling solution
> for
> > > your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> > > avoiding heat load issues these days.
> >
> >
> > orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think
> it
> > was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my
> > temperature stays about 65-80
>
> Mine crashed once every couple days, catastrophic
> failure-style, due to the hard drive overheating.
Did the blue fan help? :)
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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> ffxstoner Wrote:
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> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > -----
> > > Make sure you have a good cooling solution
> for
> > > your hard drive. Manufacturers seem to be
> > > avoiding heat load issues these days.
> >
> >
> > orly? Ive seen the fans but didn't really think
> it
> > was necessary i leave my pc on for days and my
> > temperature stays about 65-80
>
> Mine crashed once every couple days, catastrophic
> failure-style, due to the hard drive overheating.
Did the blue fan help? :)
If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
MrMephisto
()
Date: September 30, 2009 04:29PM
Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Did the blue fan help? :)
Ordering it is number 1,019 of 3,201 things I still need to do.
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> Did the blue fan help? :)
Ordering it is number 1,019 of 3,201 things I still need to do.
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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
()
Date: September 30, 2009 04:31PM
Asking about a "top of the line PC" is like asking about "a high performance Hyundai."
You don't buy PCs because they are "top of the line." You buy them because they are cheap.
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You don't buy PCs because they are "top of the line." You buy them because they are cheap.
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Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: September 30, 2009 04:33PM
WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Asking about a "top of the line PC" is like asking
> about "a high performance Hyundai."
>
Hey now, Hyundai has come a looooong way.
Blessed are the murderous.
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> Asking about a "top of the line PC" is like asking
> about "a high performance Hyundai."
>
Hey now, Hyundai has come a looooong way.
Blessed are the murderous.Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
ffxstoner
()
Date: September 30, 2009 06:34PM
i'd take the tiburon over most american cars
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Gravis
()
Date: September 30, 2009 07:17PM
Joe Wilson Wrote:
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> 64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
my mistake. it would appear they have updated their kernel since i last checked. sorry for the misinformation, it was not my intent.
ffxstoner Wrote:
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> Get a vista its not that bad its just linux fags and
> nubs who complain about it.
right... because nobody cares about any of these issues:
im quite happy linux and it's bountiful selection of free programs. one unique application in particular that is nice will lock and unlock the computer based on signal strength of a particular bluetooth device. when you show up with your cellphone in your pocket, it's ready to go, no lame passwords required.
> 8gbs or ram + Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 ghz +
> 9800 ultra is my setup and it kiks ass.
sounds like a nice setup but what is important is the efficiency of the programs you run. with vista, it takes 1.3GB of RAM just to get into the desktop environment! ive found that most applications take more time to load with windows for some reason. you can have the best setup in the world but without decent software, it's like having a Ferrari and filling it with regular.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
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> 64bit Windows 7 supports up to 192GB of memory.
my mistake. it would appear they have updated their kernel since i last checked. sorry for the misinformation, it was not my intent.
ffxstoner Wrote:
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> Get a vista its not that bad its just linux fags and
> nubs who complain about it.
right... because nobody cares about any of these issues:
- boot time - new windows versions take forever to load
- no bluetooth support - everyone like paying money for sub par bluetooth software
- NTFS - filesystem corruption, need i say more?
- finding, install and uninstalling programs - because everyone loves searching for software and when it turns out to be crappy it only half uninstalls.
- having to reinstall the whole operating system because it randomly stopped working and worrying about if you backed up all your files.
- cd file format support - just pay for $60 for partial integration and a bloated program.
- audio/video codecs - hunting for codecs for a third party app is fun and likely contain spyware
- viruses - better have a virus scanner running all the time and even then you arent safe
im quite happy linux and it's bountiful selection of free programs. one unique application in particular that is nice will lock and unlock the computer based on signal strength of a particular bluetooth device. when you show up with your cellphone in your pocket, it's ready to go, no lame passwords required.
> 8gbs or ram + Intel Core 2 Quad 2.83 ghz +
> 9800 ultra is my setup and it kiks ass.
sounds like a nice setup but what is important is the efficiency of the programs you run. with vista, it takes 1.3GB of RAM just to get into the desktop environment! ive found that most applications take more time to load with windows for some reason. you can have the best setup in the world but without decent software, it's like having a Ferrari and filling it with regular.
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Mofo
()
Date: September 30, 2009 07:29PM
Intel makes the best desktop chips, get an i7.
I support Intel because they just invested billions in building American factories and US manufacturing even though AMD is generally cheaper.
I support Intel because they just invested billions in building American factories and US manufacturing even though AMD is generally cheaper.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
eesh
()
Date: September 30, 2009 07:31PM
Remember the good old days when you upgraded a computer, all you had to do was pop out the CPU and put in a new one?
Blessed are the murderous.
Blessed are the murderous.
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
ffxstoner
()
Date: September 30, 2009 08:00PM
Gravis Wrote:
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boot time - new windows versions take forever to load
no bluetooth support - everyone like paying money for sub par bluetooth software
NTFS - filesystem corruption, need i say more?
finding, install and uninstalling programs - because everyone loves searching for software and when it turns out to be crappy it only half uninstalls.
having to reinstall the whole operating system because it randomly stopped working and worrying about if you backed up all your files.
cd file format support - just pay for $60 for partial integration and a bloated program.
audio/video codecs - hunting for codecs for a third party app is fun and likely contain spyware
viruses - better have a virus scanner running all the time and even then you arent safe
boot time for me is just around 1 minute, so you can get up in 40 seconds on your linux machine big woop. I haven't had any problems with integration and for bluetooth who gives a fuck the manufacturer will have their own software most likely. audio/video it was a breeze all worked and viruses so far 2 years no viruses my old pc with xp i had for 4 years i got 1 virus that was easy to remove. I use linux on my laptop and it was a pain in the ass finding some drivers but i found them. (fedora 10)
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boot time - new windows versions take forever to load
no bluetooth support - everyone like paying money for sub par bluetooth software
NTFS - filesystem corruption, need i say more?
finding, install and uninstalling programs - because everyone loves searching for software and when it turns out to be crappy it only half uninstalls.
having to reinstall the whole operating system because it randomly stopped working and worrying about if you backed up all your files.
cd file format support - just pay for $60 for partial integration and a bloated program.
audio/video codecs - hunting for codecs for a third party app is fun and likely contain spyware
viruses - better have a virus scanner running all the time and even then you arent safe
boot time for me is just around 1 minute, so you can get up in 40 seconds on your linux machine big woop. I haven't had any problems with integration and for bluetooth who gives a fuck the manufacturer will have their own software most likely. audio/video it was a breeze all worked and viruses so far 2 years no viruses my old pc with xp i had for 4 years i got 1 virus that was easy to remove. I use linux on my laptop and it was a pain in the ass finding some drivers but i found them. (fedora 10)
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
Gravis Is a MORON
()
Date: September 30, 2009 09:55PM
Not this Linux from Gravis again.
Read this thread where he got owned, pwned, phoned, honed, stoned.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/183304
Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:41PM
Fun site: [www.whylinuxsucks.org] (it's actually a pro Linux site)
LOL
You have to be an 31!te GEEK, to grasp it ???
Ok...
So I think i'm smart.... I've been a network admin for over 14 years now...handling enterprise level windows / cisco networks, routers, firewalls, networking...etc. You name it...I've done it all...
And then comes linux...
The final frontier,...when you finally get bored with knowing everything all the time.
I download the distro, install it... immediately I have errors... (CENTOS 4.5)..
So what do I do ?..I switch into super tech mode, bust out the google, stay up till 3 am every night reading wiki after wiki, forum after forum......resolving the issues one by one. 1 week later I have a semi-stable system with "less" errors...but.... WITH NO SOUND !... and now I want to break something, because a desktop IS NOT a desktop UNLESS you can play music and video's on it !!!!
WTF !!!!!!!
so i'm thinking to myself......
If this seems a bit complicated, for me..... why in the hell would any non-technical end-user type individual ever be inclined to want to even try a linux distro once they've experienced windows ? How could these distro- developers ever expect a "non-geek", to be able to use this thing ?
Case in point....
If I want to install ...for example... Google earth... On windows, you download and open the file....click "I agree".. next, next ,next, finish....VIOLA !!!!!...you've got a working program...
On LINUX !..... let's see.... which is it... yum.... sudo... apt-get ...xxxxxx.... make , make config, make install, ... blah blah blah...... Oh and don't forget to check your video drivers...then tweak some conf files... read a few rambling wiki's and forums....and if you're lucky you have a working application before the sun comes up !
Linux SUCKS !... but I guess you get what you pay for...
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:51PM
"Feisty Fawn", "Hardy Heron"..LMFAO
I've been wanting to get into Linux for some time. It appeared to be a new land of opportunity and IT people need to be up on these things. Bought a new HP Pavilion laptop before that which was to be my new private computer for experimentation (as opposed to the XP one used for games at home). As with most, it is a Vista machine, but figured I could get it to be a dual-boot. Also bought two new Linux books from the bookstore. After having trouble getting Feisty Fawn to work, I loaded the most recent version (Hardy Heron) and was delighted to find that I had indeed gotten it set up to dual boot. Next would be the internet. No more insecure browsing for me!
Troubles began to pile up immediately. Linux could not find the wireless signal while Vista could. I tried everything in my books. Finally, called a friend on the horn with a freelance network admin business and had Linux. He's been using Linux since the old days when you had to compile everything to install it on linux. We went to several screens and tried to find out what was going on. In the end, he concluded there had to be a bad installation of part of the program. We were able to uninstall drivers and several other parts but then couldn't re-install the new ones. Finally, as he was busy and had spent two hours, he recommended I uninstall Linux completely and perhaps re-install it.
That has turned out to be a real fun problem. Most instructions deal with an installation with XP as the Windows portion. Also, where is the Linux partition? I installed it from Windows, as instructed, and have been unable to locate it. It certainly doesn't uninstall from Windows. Windows may think it's gone, but it's not. To sum it up, I have to uninstall stubborn software before I can even make another go at it. And as the song once said, "The Thrill is gone".
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:55PM
As far as using linux for everything, I'm a gamer, and use my computer for it.
I'm guessing Synaptic is sorta like autoten? Cos it had to be installed through the command line. Currently, I'm trying to get the GCC running. 3 hours later and the command line currently reads "error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh"
Apparently, I'm supposed to build the package before installing it, but why the hell do I want to do that? All I want is to be able to compile c programs. That's IT. Nothing else. Should be simple, for a language that's been around for years...
And as far as stability, I've never actually had a problem with windows on that front. I'm running the Windows 7 BETA (<- i.e. not supposed to be fully stable) and so far it's crashed once. Because of overclocking (so not its fault).
Fedora 10? It crashed when I had the absolute gall to open a text file. It's crashed about 5 times now, in 2 weeks.
And I still never got the JDK running (read up). I gave up, and took about half an hour to get it done on windows (including download).
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:56PM
I get it. It's open source. You're a devoted, die-hard user. You don't really care about me, and I don't blame you. And frankly, I don't really give a shit. If it can be done, I can either figure out how to do it or read something written by someone who has. Be an asshole all you want, you can't scare me away from this if it's useful or enjoyable to me.
What sucks about Linux is what I can't do, not because I don't know how to do it but because it can't be done. Case in point: this afternoon, I tried to figure out how to get my printer working in Ubuntu. My printer, unfortunately, is not supported--not just not supported in Ubuntu, but not supported in Linux, period. I went to a site devoted to Linux printing that classified my printer as a "Paperweight."
No, it isn't. It's a laser printer and copier. It's a perfectly capable printer, and I actually like it a lot. It's not a brand-new model. I believe it was designed for XP, and Vista drivers were added later. But there just aren't Linux drivers for it. None. Period.
As much as "Vista sucks," if I can't print (and I'm not buying a new printer any time soon), Linux can't replace it. Not now, and as long as this printer is working in Vista but unsupported in Linux, not ever.
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:11PM
Last one for the night... Maybe more tomorrow.. Thanks for the laughs..lol
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God, I'd love to drop Windows but I can't. I can't because Linux can't make me totally happy. Why?
Drivers:
Many distro's, such as Ubunut do have good "out of the box" support but driver support still lags behind nevertheless. I do not want to spend time searching for drivers and then typing in tons of commands to get things up and running properly. Sure you can go buy specific hardware that is known to be Linux compatible but isn't that like having to live with a MAC??!??!!???!!
Packages:
Every distro has a package manager. However I cannot keep count of the number of times I have installed a package that does not work. Then when I go and search in the forums, I get answers telling me "download this" and "type these commands". Wait a minute! Shouldn't it just work without all the run around???? Does anyone realize how annoying and confusing that is for users? To them it looks like an easy way to install new software but then they get a nasty surprise. Folks the average user hates that.
Command Terminal:
Look it's 2009. The public doesn't want to type in commands. GUI's have been around for how long? It's obvious by the success of Windows that users want an easier experience. However in Linux you just can't get many things done without typing in commands. It's time consuming. Users want to use their software and do things, not spend time typing commands. Users need something easier and intuative. If you don't want to give up the need for a terminal fine but don't complain when the public still prefers Windows and it's easy gui that does nearly everything by point and click. If Windows is so bad why is it so popular? If what makes it so popular is something you do not want to offer then all the complaining and comparing is pointless. At that point you might as well just accept that you're never going to be more popular than Windows, shut your mouth, and play with your Linux quietly.
Support:
There are many forums. Some of them are good. Some of them are full of arrogant jerks that just hate Windows and turn off nearly every new Linux user they run into. Regardless, as a new Linux user you spend more time in a forum begging for help than you do actually enjoying Linux. PLUS! If you have a serious problem that keeps you from getting on the internet.....how do you get to the forums? Take a guess...using another system. Isn't it embarrassing to need to use a Windows system to go onto a forum to get Linux help? Doesn't that make a statement about Linux?
Software:
There are some great packages that shine. However the vast majority is of the same quality as shareware for Windows. I understand that it's free and I shouldn't complain but look it either fills a need or it doesn't. I'm not going to use something crappy just because it's free.
Linux fails miserably for 3D gaming. I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again. If Linux could get a standardized 3D system like DirectX and attract gamerz, it's popularity would skyrocket. There are a few 3D games out there but most of them are hacked ports to Linux that are full of bugs, not to mention that the games are old news. Even if a user is not a big gamer, they still will play a game every once in awhile, and they want something that blows their mind. Linux doesn't offer that.
Standardization:
Microsoft has Linux beat hands down in this area. There are so many Linux distros and each of them are doing their own thing. Linux software is a hodgepodge of different packages that may or may not work with your distro. Windows users hate the fact that there are a handful of Windows versions that require different drivers. Do you honestly think that they're going to like something with even more variations? There is a point when too much freedom becomes chaos. Linux is chaos.
File System and Naming:
In DOS and Windows, file extensions indicate a purpose. In Linux anything goes. People need some kind of clearly defined order to lead them in the right direction. Furthermore it saves time to immediately recognize a file for what it is or how it's used.
Also some of the names given to software and commands are well.....nuts. It's looks like someone dropped scrabble blocks on the floor and randonly selected letters to name things. Overall we come back to the chaos issue.
Excuses:
I'm pretty fed up with the excuses. I'm often told stuff like "Linux isn't meant for that" or "Linux isn't trying to be Windows". Own up to the truth. Linux has serious problems. While it may not be trying to be 100% like Windows, to the eye, it has the same general appearance and there is an OBVIOUS reason for that - users want it. So stop covering up the problems and making excuses when theings fail. Linux wants to be better than Windows. It wants to be the more popular OS. It wants to offer all the features that Windows offers.
Until linux developers and supporters stop hating Windows enough to get inside the heads of Windows users, Linux will NEVER beat Windows. Consumers use what they like. OBVIOUSLY they like Windows more, no matter what excuses are offered. Why in the world would users turn down a free OS for a commercial one unless there are big things they don't like? Stop trying to tell consumers why they should hate Windows. Instead concentrate on making Linux something that consumers really want. Not what you think they should want.
The fact is that most computer users are novices. You must cater that crowd to be successful at overtaking Windows. There is no honor in being able to use a more complex operating system. Nobody is impressed. Nobody cares. An operating system should make things easier NOT harder. If Linux devs would face the truth and cater to the needs of the public they might be more successful.
Here's the killer for Linux and if devs and hardcore fans could wipe the hatred away fromt heir eyes long enough to see it, they would. At the current rate of development, Windows is better equipped to steal ideas from Linux and put it into an easy to use package. Linux, on the other hand cannot develop quickly enough. Unless devs band together, standardize, and get serious about winning over the public, Linux may never catch up.
I know some Linux fan is going to say something about how wrong I am but that type of response is at the heart of the problem. You can't tell a consumer how they should feel or how they should perceive a product. You must adapt to the consumer. If the consumer doesn't like what you have, then YOU are wrong and you will never convince them otherwise.
l8r..
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:14PM
Ok really last one.. Typical response from an estoric "I hate all things Microsoft" group to the above posting
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Linux doesn't work for you because the way you're looking at it. Every single negative you listed is a rabid generalization and is a Windows user whining because something better doesn't work the way they like it to. Lol, talk about arrogance. Linux doesn't work the way your Windows does because the Windows paradigm is crap and Linux chooses a different methodology. lol, you'd have to tell Google how much Linux sucked, because they dig it alot. So do all the people searching for stuff and expecting results.
If you don't like Linux, or you're too stupid or arrogant to actually use it -- then don't. Nobody cares.
Really.
Drivers. What about them? Try geting a manufacturer sucking the tit of Microsoft to release hardware documentation then you get your drivers. How is this a fault of Linux? Developers have to reverse-engineer them. Again - you're just ignorant spouting off. All the machines I configure for Linux work just fine. Drivers included. So, that makes you basically a liar.
Software? Please. Basically your software gripe is that Linux is not a gaming platform. More arrogant demands from an ignorant wannabe. Maybe you should be proactive.
Gaming? Please. You're just whining. If you knew anything at all you'd know why Linux gaming doesn't exist. It's not even a valid point to make. Linux sucks because it's not a gaming platform? Please. I've got Nexuiz, though. You can keep using Windows because it's a gaming platform. Me, I compute and play just fine, as do all the users I support. Some children just like you - demanding little imps.
Your file extension gripe is just stupid. Obviously you're just ignorant. That's fine - until you spout off, then you're an asshole. lol.
Standardization? It exists. LSB. Learn something. Otherwise, you're right - a distro is different from another -- but they are all Linux, and Linux users appreciate the differences. We don't whine about it, we enjoy it. Only ignorant Windows users whine about it. Learn a thing befire you "hate" it.
Linux is not for you. I don't like pin-stripe suits, but you don't hear me bitching about them either - commanding manufacturers make them to my specs.
lol, talk about arrogance.
Support -- mostly it comes from ignorant people like you. It's Human nature, not the fault of Linux. When people like you learn to keep their mouths shut and their fingers away from the keyboard we'll all be better off. I support Debian and 245 people are quite happy, thank you very much. None of them get tangled up in getting support from some knucklehead 14 year old Ubuntu user, either. But you go....
Your excuses rant is just stupid. I've got nothing to say to it....lol, just stupid.
We don't hate Windows because Microsoft makes it - we don't hate it. It's just crap, that's all. It's clearly for you, though. You're so sad Linux isn't what you want it to be so you bitch about it instead of doing something about it - or, lol, actually learning something about it. We loathe typical Windows users, though. Own up -- basically, as a group, they are arrogant and pretty dumb. Tough to swallow, I know, but limitations always start with the person in whose mind there exists said limitaion. You haven't figured that out yet, though.
The rest of what you said is just more of the same. You can contact me all you like and I'll set you straight, but you'll have to get over your arrogance first. There are useability issues in Linux, but you didn't name any of them. You simply named all the reasons Windows users are stuck with their garbage and the non-reasons they don't like Linux. Nothing you wrote was valid, everything you wrote was just whining at your own limitations.
When you're older and you wonder why you keep getting passed over for promotion just remember how you like to whine instead of being proactive and how you like to make assumptions and spout the party-line and all those things. It will be easy to understand why you're still pushing a broom. WOOT!!
Read this thread where he got owned, pwned, phoned, honed, stoned.
http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/read/40/183304
Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:41PM
Fun site: [www.whylinuxsucks.org] (it's actually a pro Linux site)
LOL
You have to be an 31!te GEEK, to grasp it ???
Ok...
So I think i'm smart.... I've been a network admin for over 14 years now...handling enterprise level windows / cisco networks, routers, firewalls, networking...etc. You name it...I've done it all...
And then comes linux...
The final frontier,...when you finally get bored with knowing everything all the time.
I download the distro, install it... immediately I have errors... (CENTOS 4.5)..
So what do I do ?..I switch into super tech mode, bust out the google, stay up till 3 am every night reading wiki after wiki, forum after forum......resolving the issues one by one. 1 week later I have a semi-stable system with "less" errors...but.... WITH NO SOUND !... and now I want to break something, because a desktop IS NOT a desktop UNLESS you can play music and video's on it !!!!
WTF !!!!!!!
so i'm thinking to myself......
If this seems a bit complicated, for me..... why in the hell would any non-technical end-user type individual ever be inclined to want to even try a linux distro once they've experienced windows ? How could these distro- developers ever expect a "non-geek", to be able to use this thing ?
Case in point....
If I want to install ...for example... Google earth... On windows, you download and open the file....click "I agree".. next, next ,next, finish....VIOLA !!!!!...you've got a working program...
On LINUX !..... let's see.... which is it... yum.... sudo... apt-get ...xxxxxx.... make , make config, make install, ... blah blah blah...... Oh and don't forget to check your video drivers...then tweak some conf files... read a few rambling wiki's and forums....and if you're lucky you have a working application before the sun comes up !
Linux SUCKS !... but I guess you get what you pay for...
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:51PM
"Feisty Fawn", "Hardy Heron"..LMFAO
I've been wanting to get into Linux for some time. It appeared to be a new land of opportunity and IT people need to be up on these things. Bought a new HP Pavilion laptop before that which was to be my new private computer for experimentation (as opposed to the XP one used for games at home). As with most, it is a Vista machine, but figured I could get it to be a dual-boot. Also bought two new Linux books from the bookstore. After having trouble getting Feisty Fawn to work, I loaded the most recent version (Hardy Heron) and was delighted to find that I had indeed gotten it set up to dual boot. Next would be the internet. No more insecure browsing for me!
Troubles began to pile up immediately. Linux could not find the wireless signal while Vista could. I tried everything in my books. Finally, called a friend on the horn with a freelance network admin business and had Linux. He's been using Linux since the old days when you had to compile everything to install it on linux. We went to several screens and tried to find out what was going on. In the end, he concluded there had to be a bad installation of part of the program. We were able to uninstall drivers and several other parts but then couldn't re-install the new ones. Finally, as he was busy and had spent two hours, he recommended I uninstall Linux completely and perhaps re-install it.
That has turned out to be a real fun problem. Most instructions deal with an installation with XP as the Windows portion. Also, where is the Linux partition? I installed it from Windows, as instructed, and have been unable to locate it. It certainly doesn't uninstall from Windows. Windows may think it's gone, but it's not. To sum it up, I have to uninstall stubborn software before I can even make another go at it. And as the song once said, "The Thrill is gone".
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:55PM
As far as using linux for everything, I'm a gamer, and use my computer for it.
I'm guessing Synaptic is sorta like autoten? Cos it had to be installed through the command line. Currently, I'm trying to get the GCC running. 3 hours later and the command line currently reads "error: cannot find install-sh or install.sh"
Apparently, I'm supposed to build the package before installing it, but why the hell do I want to do that? All I want is to be able to compile c programs. That's IT. Nothing else. Should be simple, for a language that's been around for years...
And as far as stability, I've never actually had a problem with windows on that front. I'm running the Windows 7 BETA (<- i.e. not supposed to be fully stable) and so far it's crashed once. Because of overclocking (so not its fault).
Fedora 10? It crashed when I had the absolute gall to open a text file. It's crashed about 5 times now, in 2 weeks.
And I still never got the JDK running (read up). I gave up, and took about half an hour to get it done on windows (including download).
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:56PM
I get it. It's open source. You're a devoted, die-hard user. You don't really care about me, and I don't blame you. And frankly, I don't really give a shit. If it can be done, I can either figure out how to do it or read something written by someone who has. Be an asshole all you want, you can't scare me away from this if it's useful or enjoyable to me.
What sucks about Linux is what I can't do, not because I don't know how to do it but because it can't be done. Case in point: this afternoon, I tried to figure out how to get my printer working in Ubuntu. My printer, unfortunately, is not supported--not just not supported in Ubuntu, but not supported in Linux, period. I went to a site devoted to Linux printing that classified my printer as a "Paperweight."
No, it isn't. It's a laser printer and copier. It's a perfectly capable printer, and I actually like it a lot. It's not a brand-new model. I believe it was designed for XP, and Vista drivers were added later. But there just aren't Linux drivers for it. None. Period.
As much as "Vista sucks," if I can't print (and I'm not buying a new printer any time soon), Linux can't replace it. Not now, and as long as this printer is working in Vista but unsupported in Linux, not ever.
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:11PM
Last one for the night... Maybe more tomorrow.. Thanks for the laughs..lol
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God, I'd love to drop Windows but I can't. I can't because Linux can't make me totally happy. Why?
Drivers:
Many distro's, such as Ubunut do have good "out of the box" support but driver support still lags behind nevertheless. I do not want to spend time searching for drivers and then typing in tons of commands to get things up and running properly. Sure you can go buy specific hardware that is known to be Linux compatible but isn't that like having to live with a MAC??!??!!???!!
Packages:
Every distro has a package manager. However I cannot keep count of the number of times I have installed a package that does not work. Then when I go and search in the forums, I get answers telling me "download this" and "type these commands". Wait a minute! Shouldn't it just work without all the run around???? Does anyone realize how annoying and confusing that is for users? To them it looks like an easy way to install new software but then they get a nasty surprise. Folks the average user hates that.
Command Terminal:
Look it's 2009. The public doesn't want to type in commands. GUI's have been around for how long? It's obvious by the success of Windows that users want an easier experience. However in Linux you just can't get many things done without typing in commands. It's time consuming. Users want to use their software and do things, not spend time typing commands. Users need something easier and intuative. If you don't want to give up the need for a terminal fine but don't complain when the public still prefers Windows and it's easy gui that does nearly everything by point and click. If Windows is so bad why is it so popular? If what makes it so popular is something you do not want to offer then all the complaining and comparing is pointless. At that point you might as well just accept that you're never going to be more popular than Windows, shut your mouth, and play with your Linux quietly.
Support:
There are many forums. Some of them are good. Some of them are full of arrogant jerks that just hate Windows and turn off nearly every new Linux user they run into. Regardless, as a new Linux user you spend more time in a forum begging for help than you do actually enjoying Linux. PLUS! If you have a serious problem that keeps you from getting on the internet.....how do you get to the forums? Take a guess...using another system. Isn't it embarrassing to need to use a Windows system to go onto a forum to get Linux help? Doesn't that make a statement about Linux?
Software:
There are some great packages that shine. However the vast majority is of the same quality as shareware for Windows. I understand that it's free and I shouldn't complain but look it either fills a need or it doesn't. I'm not going to use something crappy just because it's free.
Linux fails miserably for 3D gaming. I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it again. If Linux could get a standardized 3D system like DirectX and attract gamerz, it's popularity would skyrocket. There are a few 3D games out there but most of them are hacked ports to Linux that are full of bugs, not to mention that the games are old news. Even if a user is not a big gamer, they still will play a game every once in awhile, and they want something that blows their mind. Linux doesn't offer that.
Standardization:
Microsoft has Linux beat hands down in this area. There are so many Linux distros and each of them are doing their own thing. Linux software is a hodgepodge of different packages that may or may not work with your distro. Windows users hate the fact that there are a handful of Windows versions that require different drivers. Do you honestly think that they're going to like something with even more variations? There is a point when too much freedom becomes chaos. Linux is chaos.
File System and Naming:
In DOS and Windows, file extensions indicate a purpose. In Linux anything goes. People need some kind of clearly defined order to lead them in the right direction. Furthermore it saves time to immediately recognize a file for what it is or how it's used.
Also some of the names given to software and commands are well.....nuts. It's looks like someone dropped scrabble blocks on the floor and randonly selected letters to name things. Overall we come back to the chaos issue.
Excuses:
I'm pretty fed up with the excuses. I'm often told stuff like "Linux isn't meant for that" or "Linux isn't trying to be Windows". Own up to the truth. Linux has serious problems. While it may not be trying to be 100% like Windows, to the eye, it has the same general appearance and there is an OBVIOUS reason for that - users want it. So stop covering up the problems and making excuses when theings fail. Linux wants to be better than Windows. It wants to be the more popular OS. It wants to offer all the features that Windows offers.
Until linux developers and supporters stop hating Windows enough to get inside the heads of Windows users, Linux will NEVER beat Windows. Consumers use what they like. OBVIOUSLY they like Windows more, no matter what excuses are offered. Why in the world would users turn down a free OS for a commercial one unless there are big things they don't like? Stop trying to tell consumers why they should hate Windows. Instead concentrate on making Linux something that consumers really want. Not what you think they should want.
The fact is that most computer users are novices. You must cater that crowd to be successful at overtaking Windows. There is no honor in being able to use a more complex operating system. Nobody is impressed. Nobody cares. An operating system should make things easier NOT harder. If Linux devs would face the truth and cater to the needs of the public they might be more successful.
Here's the killer for Linux and if devs and hardcore fans could wipe the hatred away fromt heir eyes long enough to see it, they would. At the current rate of development, Windows is better equipped to steal ideas from Linux and put it into an easy to use package. Linux, on the other hand cannot develop quickly enough. Unless devs band together, standardize, and get serious about winning over the public, Linux may never catch up.
I know some Linux fan is going to say something about how wrong I am but that type of response is at the heart of the problem. You can't tell a consumer how they should feel or how they should perceive a product. You must adapt to the consumer. If the consumer doesn't like what you have, then YOU are wrong and you will never convince them otherwise.
l8r..
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Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:14PM
Ok really last one.. Typical response from an estoric "I hate all things Microsoft" group to the above posting
*******************************
Linux doesn't work for you because the way you're looking at it. Every single negative you listed is a rabid generalization and is a Windows user whining because something better doesn't work the way they like it to. Lol, talk about arrogance. Linux doesn't work the way your Windows does because the Windows paradigm is crap and Linux chooses a different methodology. lol, you'd have to tell Google how much Linux sucked, because they dig it alot. So do all the people searching for stuff and expecting results.
If you don't like Linux, or you're too stupid or arrogant to actually use it -- then don't. Nobody cares.
Really.
Drivers. What about them? Try geting a manufacturer sucking the tit of Microsoft to release hardware documentation then you get your drivers. How is this a fault of Linux? Developers have to reverse-engineer them. Again - you're just ignorant spouting off. All the machines I configure for Linux work just fine. Drivers included. So, that makes you basically a liar.
Software? Please. Basically your software gripe is that Linux is not a gaming platform. More arrogant demands from an ignorant wannabe. Maybe you should be proactive.
Gaming? Please. You're just whining. If you knew anything at all you'd know why Linux gaming doesn't exist. It's not even a valid point to make. Linux sucks because it's not a gaming platform? Please. I've got Nexuiz, though. You can keep using Windows because it's a gaming platform. Me, I compute and play just fine, as do all the users I support. Some children just like you - demanding little imps.
Your file extension gripe is just stupid. Obviously you're just ignorant. That's fine - until you spout off, then you're an asshole. lol.
Standardization? It exists. LSB. Learn something. Otherwise, you're right - a distro is different from another -- but they are all Linux, and Linux users appreciate the differences. We don't whine about it, we enjoy it. Only ignorant Windows users whine about it. Learn a thing befire you "hate" it.
Linux is not for you. I don't like pin-stripe suits, but you don't hear me bitching about them either - commanding manufacturers make them to my specs.
lol, talk about arrogance.
Support -- mostly it comes from ignorant people like you. It's Human nature, not the fault of Linux. When people like you learn to keep their mouths shut and their fingers away from the keyboard we'll all be better off. I support Debian and 245 people are quite happy, thank you very much. None of them get tangled up in getting support from some knucklehead 14 year old Ubuntu user, either. But you go....
Your excuses rant is just stupid. I've got nothing to say to it....lol, just stupid.
We don't hate Windows because Microsoft makes it - we don't hate it. It's just crap, that's all. It's clearly for you, though. You're so sad Linux isn't what you want it to be so you bitch about it instead of doing something about it - or, lol, actually learning something about it. We loathe typical Windows users, though. Own up -- basically, as a group, they are arrogant and pretty dumb. Tough to swallow, I know, but limitations always start with the person in whose mind there exists said limitaion. You haven't figured that out yet, though.
The rest of what you said is just more of the same. You can contact me all you like and I'll set you straight, but you'll have to get over your arrogance first. There are useability issues in Linux, but you didn't name any of them. You simply named all the reasons Windows users are stuck with their garbage and the non-reasons they don't like Linux. Nothing you wrote was valid, everything you wrote was just whining at your own limitations.
When you're older and you wonder why you keep getting passed over for promotion just remember how you like to whine instead of being proactive and how you like to make assumptions and spout the party-line and all those things. It will be easy to understand why you're still pushing a broom. WOOT!!
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
simon
()
Date: September 30, 2009 09:59PM
Missed one...
Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:22PM
Sorry, this shit is too funny.. Regarding naming conventions on Linux:
"Also some of the names given to software and commands are well.....nuts. It's looks like someone dropped scrabble blocks on the floor and randonly selected letters to name things. Overall we come back to the chaos issue. "
Fucking Hilarious...LMAO
Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:22PM
Sorry, this shit is too funny.. Regarding naming conventions on Linux:
"Also some of the names given to software and commands are well.....nuts. It's looks like someone dropped scrabble blocks on the floor and randonly selected letters to name things. Overall we come back to the chaos issue. "
Fucking Hilarious...LMAO
Re: Looking for a top of the line PC
Posted by:
simon
()
Date: September 30, 2009 10:11PM
Re: Windows 7...WTF?
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 20, 2009 07:18PM
Now this is interesting:
[www.tuxradar.com]
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Sorry. Been busy. Not too much time to write right now, but thought I’d mention this if you haven’t seen it. Firefox on Wine outperforms native Firefox on Linux. That’s just awesome guys. What was that about having a lightweight platform that runs better on less resources?
I see a lot of drive-by commentards saying something like I’m spreading FUD on behalf of MS. The more I think about it, freetards do something similar. It’s not FUD, it’s the opposite. I’m going to call it COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE. Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes. Optimism, as in y’all are blindly optimistic when it comes to the future of your evolving shitpile. Conviction, as in it’s a fucking religion and y’all go around trying to convert people. And KDE, well just cuz KDE sucks, and y’all try to spread it around to people who don’t care, don’t want it, and dont’ give a fuck.
So please, for the love of Linus, stop spreading COCK.
Posted by: har har ()
Date: May 20, 2009 07:18PM
Now this is interesting:
[www.tuxradar.com]
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Sorry. Been busy. Not too much time to write right now, but thought I’d mention this if you haven’t seen it. Firefox on Wine outperforms native Firefox on Linux. That’s just awesome guys. What was that about having a lightweight platform that runs better on less resources?
I see a lot of drive-by commentards saying something like I’m spreading FUD on behalf of MS. The more I think about it, freetards do something similar. It’s not FUD, it’s the opposite. I’m going to call it COCK. Certainty, Optimism, Conviction, and KDE. Certainty, as in you guys are sooo sure that your OS is the shit, without knowing anything about how real people use real OSes. Optimism, as in y’all are blindly optimistic when it comes to the future of your evolving shitpile. Conviction, as in it’s a fucking religion and y’all go around trying to convert people. And KDE, well just cuz KDE sucks, and y’all try to spread it around to people who don’t care, don’t want it, and dont’ give a fuck.
So please, for the love of Linus, stop spreading COCK.