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Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Remember him
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:01PM
William Moreno has lost both grandfathers now. Sad.
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/felipe-moreno-obituary?pid=1000000183032879
http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Felipe-Moreno-104224840
http://colorado.obituaries.funeral.com/2016/12/09/felipe-moreno/
http://www.romerofuneralhome.com/obituaries/Felipe-Moreno-2/
Posted on Friday, 9th December 2016 | Denver
Felipe E. Moreno 93, of Denver. Went home to be with the Lord on December 6, 2016. Felipe was reunited with his beloved wife, Lorenza Moreno. Survived by his children, Richard (Sharon) Moreno, Abel (Mary Ann) Moreno, LeRoy (Lillian) Moreno, Joel (LouAnn) Moreno, Marlene (Rev. Michael) Manzanares and Iris Moreno. Visitation 6-8 PM. Monday 12/12 at Romero Funeral Chapel, 1805 S. Sheridan Blvd. Funeral Service 10 AM. Tuesday 12/13 at Healing Waters Church, 6475 W. 29th Ave. Wheatridge. Interment Olinger Highland Cemetery. Reception to follow Burial at Healing Waters Church.
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http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/felipe-moreno-obituary?pid=1000000183032879
http://www.tributes.com/obituary/show/Felipe-Moreno-104224840
http://colorado.obituaries.funeral.com/2016/12/09/felipe-moreno/
http://www.romerofuneralhome.com/obituaries/Felipe-Moreno-2/
Posted on Friday, 9th December 2016 | Denver
Felipe E. Moreno 93, of Denver. Went home to be with the Lord on December 6, 2016. Felipe was reunited with his beloved wife, Lorenza Moreno. Survived by his children, Richard (Sharon) Moreno, Abel (Mary Ann) Moreno, LeRoy (Lillian) Moreno, Joel (LouAnn) Moreno, Marlene (Rev. Michael) Manzanares and Iris Moreno. Visitation 6-8 PM. Monday 12/12 at Romero Funeral Chapel, 1805 S. Sheridan Blvd. Funeral Service 10 AM. Tuesday 12/13 at Healing Waters Church, 6475 W. 29th Ave. Wheatridge. Interment Olinger Highland Cemetery. Reception to follow Burial at Healing Waters Church.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Tootguy
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:05PM
Felipe killed himself because he had William Moreno for a grandson.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Curious FFXuer
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:10PM
He was the father of Richard Leroy Moreno? The same Richard Moreno of "Richard Leroy Moreno is a molester" thread fame?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
he googled miz's name
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:13PM
Then he vapor locked.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Yes
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:13PM
Curious FFXuer Wrote:
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> He was the father of Richard Leroy Moreno? The
> same Richard Moreno of "Richard Leroy Moreno is a
> molester" thread fame?
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> He was the father of Richard Leroy Moreno? The
> same Richard Moreno of "Richard Leroy Moreno is a
> molester" thread fame?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Family get together
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:13PM
William was not invited.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Brown Onion
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:14PM
How are or were his bowels?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
indeed, no miz
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:15PM
That's why the siblings look so serene.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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I don't see Sharon either
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:15PM
Family get together Wrote:
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> William was not invited.
Sharon and Tootguy are also nowhere to be found. Meanwhile there's pretty little Joanna in the blue dress, the only white person in the entire picture.
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> William was not invited.
Sharon and Tootguy are also nowhere to be found. Meanwhile there's pretty little Joanna in the blue dress, the only white person in the entire picture.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
sharon and tootguy
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:18PM
They had to stay home and keep an eye on miz. History has taught them NEVER to leave him unattended.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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and leave Joanna alone
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:19PM
The poor thing did nothing to earn FFU's derision; besides, she probably grew up in a bedroom right next to miz's, so I consider that she has already suffered horribly.
I wonder how many time she caught miz going through he runderwear drawer.
I wonder how many time she caught miz going through he runderwear drawer.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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He saw this picture
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:20PM
he googled miz's name Wrote:
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> Then he vapor locked.
Enough to shock anyone.
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> Then he vapor locked.
Enough to shock anyone.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
I'd bang Joanna
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:21PM
and leave Joanna alone Wrote:
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> The poor thing did nothing to earn FFU's derision;
> besides, she probably grew up in a bedroom right
> next to miz's, so I consider that she has already
> suffered horribly.
>
> I wonder how many time she caught miz going
> through he runderwear drawer.
I'm surprised William hasn't made any incest jokes about her, she's much hotter than Sharon.
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> The poor thing did nothing to earn FFU's derision;
> besides, she probably grew up in a bedroom right
> next to miz's, so I consider that she has already
> suffered horribly.
>
> I wonder how many time she caught miz going
> through he runderwear drawer.
I'm surprised William hasn't made any incest jokes about her, she's much hotter than Sharon.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Genetic counselor
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:22PM
The entire family is no taller than 5'6, all have large flat noses, and small squinty eyes that are too close together. Then there is the baldness.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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Here's what I suspect
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:23PM
I'm sure miz harassed her, or said something innappropriate to her, at some point, and she hauled off and decked him. I bet she could stomp the shit out of miz.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
The in-laws
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:23PM
Did Felipe ever meet Bill?
edit by Cary: Personal attack imagery removed.
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edit by Cary: Personal attack imagery removed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2017 01:45PM by Cary.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Docile Joanna
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:26PM
Here's what I suspect Wrote:
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> I'm sure miz harassed her, or said something
> innappropriate to her, at some point, and she
> hauled off and decked him. I bet she could stomp
> the shit out of miz.
She looks too innocent, but she probably has slapped him. There's no doubt that he has been at least a little bit inappropriate towards her at least once though. I'm just surprised he hasn't referenced her on here.
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> I'm sure miz harassed her, or said something
> innappropriate to her, at some point, and she
> hauled off and decked him. I bet she could stomp
> the shit out of miz.
She looks too innocent, but she probably has slapped him. There's no doubt that he has been at least a little bit inappropriate towards her at least once though. I'm just surprised he hasn't referenced her on here.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
he leaves his siblings alone
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:30PM
They do NOT unconditionally love him. If he embarassed tHEM on here, either one of them would undoubtedly pound the snot out of him. I imagine they both have done so, in fact. If the sister looks relaxed, it's because she has dealt with him once. and. for. all.
Also consider this - miz is probably relying on them to look after him* after the parents kick off, so he can't piss them off too much.
*In this regard, miz is probably in for an unpleasant surprise.
Also consider this - miz is probably relying on them to look after him* after the parents kick off, so he can't piss them off too much.
*In this regard, miz is probably in for an unpleasant surprise.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
On an unrelated note…
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:34PM
…Joanna looks like she has a tight ass.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Cellulite
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:46PM
On an unrelated note… Wrote:
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> …Joanna looks like she has a tight ass.
It's pretty wide and lumpy.
She also snorts when she eats.
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> …Joanna looks like she has a tight ass.
It's pretty wide and lumpy.
She also snorts when she eats.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
RIP
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:49PM
Cellulite Wrote:
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> On an unrelated note… Wrote:
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> -----
> > …Joanna looks like she has a tight ass.
>
>
>
> It's pretty wide and lumpy.
>
>
> She also snorts when she eats.
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> On an unrelated note… Wrote:
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> > …Joanna looks like she has a tight ass.
>
>
>
> It's pretty wide and lumpy.
>
>
> She also snorts when she eats.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
going too far
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:54PM
This really is appalling, you talk about grossly inappropriate this is just sick. Sick, sick, sick. These are people's grandparents where the fuck do you get the nerve to bully them like this.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
You're a douche bag
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:54PM
going too far Wrote:
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> This really is appalling, you talk about grossly
> inappropriate this is just sick. Sick, sick, sick.
> These are people's grandparents where the fuck do
> you get the nerve to bully them like this.
Shut the fuck up.
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> This really is appalling, you talk about grossly
> inappropriate this is just sick. Sick, sick, sick.
> These are people's grandparents where the fuck do
> you get the nerve to bully them like this.
Shut the fuck up.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Who was pee-paw?
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:57PM
The in-laws Wrote:
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> Did Felipe ever meet Bill?
William H. McMillan aka Wild Bill McMillan allegedly molested his grandson William Moreno which instilled William's intense hatred for the military.
By the way which one was known as "Pee-paw"?
edit by Cary: Personal attack imagery removed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2017 01:45PM by Cary.
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> Did Felipe ever meet Bill?
William H. McMillan aka Wild Bill McMillan allegedly molested his grandson William Moreno which instilled William's intense hatred for the military.
By the way which one was known as "Pee-paw"?
edit by Cary: Personal attack imagery removed.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/29/2017 01:45PM by Cary.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
So funny hahahaha
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Date: January 28, 2017 08:59PM
going too far Wrote:
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> This really is appalling, you talk about grossly
> inappropriate this is just sick. Sick, sick, sick.
> These are people's grandparents where the fuck do
> you get the nerve to bully them like this
The "nerve" came from the Moreno's hundreds of posts about dead relatives of other people. The Morenos consider this to be "dark humor" and feel it is perfectly acceptable.
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> This really is appalling, you talk about grossly
> inappropriate this is just sick. Sick, sick, sick.
> These are people's grandparents where the fuck do
> you get the nerve to bully them like this
The "nerve" came from the Moreno's hundreds of posts about dead relatives of other people. The Morenos consider this to be "dark humor" and feel it is perfectly acceptable.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
I still say leave Joanna alone
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Date: January 28, 2017 09:05PM
The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother by the right arm, then the two of them marching miz straight into an asylum.
Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother by the right arm, then the two of them marching miz straight into an asylum.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
They've planned that for years
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Date: January 28, 2017 09:08PM
I still say leave Joanna alone Wrote:
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
They might even kill their parents so they can just lock him up already.
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
They might even kill their parents so they can just lock him up already.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Miz Is A Pussy
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Date: January 29, 2017 05:00PM
Felipe Moreno hated William Moreno. He knew of William's dark humor and Richrd Moreno protecting him.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Gulp
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Date: January 29, 2017 05:49PM
Felipe's wife should have swallowed Richard.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
KatIe Flower
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Date: January 29, 2017 06:15PM
WHY DOES THE LADY CALLED HIM PHILLP AND NOT FELIPE ?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
I noticed that too…
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Date: January 29, 2017 06:16PM
KatIe Flower Wrote:
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> WHY DOES THE LADY CALLED HIM PHILLP AND NOT
> FELIPE ?
Sharon Moreno is a special kind of stupid.
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> WHY DOES THE LADY CALLED HIM PHILLP AND NOT
> FELIPE ?
Sharon Moreno is a special kind of stupid.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
7PhH9
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Date: January 30, 2017 02:23PM
I love this picture.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
bG644
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Date: January 30, 2017 02:29PM
Family get together Wrote:
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> William was not invited.
Where did you find this image? The one with the big group of people.
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> William was not invited.
Where did you find this image? The one with the big group of people.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
question..
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Date: January 30, 2017 02:30PM
It may be unfair to say "The only good Moreno is a dead Moreno". It's possible that the rest of the McMillan and Moreno family members don't like William and his antics.
Aren't his parents Richard and Sharon Moreno the only family members to make a public statement on the wayward pedophile William and the legal shenanigans?
Aren't his parents Richard and Sharon Moreno the only family members to make a public statement on the wayward pedophile William and the legal shenanigans?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Zxcmnb
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Date: January 30, 2017 10:08PM
Because he was also called Phillip, which is the English equivalent of Felipe, you morons. Anyway u have no business posting about people's grandparents-- tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah, that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among the milder ones) best describing FxU.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
You're a retard
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Date: January 30, 2017 10:11PM
Zxcmnb Wrote:
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> Because he was also called Phillip, which is the
> English equivalent of Felipe, you morons. Anyway u
> have no business posting about people's
> grandparents-- tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. If you don't like it here, GTFO!
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> Because he was also called Phillip, which is the
> English equivalent of Felipe, you morons. Anyway u
> have no business posting about people's
> grandparents-- tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
Nobody's forcing you to stay. If you don't like it here, GTFO!
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Moreno Death Watch
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Date: January 30, 2017 10:20PM
Zxcmnb Wrote:
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> Because he was also called Phillip, which is the
> English equivalent of Felipe, you morons. Anyway u
> have no business posting about people's
> grandparents-- tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
How many hundreds of tasteless Louise and Tom Basl photos, cartoons, and posts were there?
Felipe is getting off easy. Nothing yet about defecating or urinating on his grave, about digging him up, sodomizing the corpse, etc. Nope, Felipe is still sleeping happily under the dirt, for now.
Just wait until Richard or Sharon croaks; you haven't seen the tip of tastelessness....
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> Because he was also called Phillip, which is the
> English equivalent of Felipe, you morons. Anyway u
> have no business posting about people's
> grandparents-- tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
How many hundreds of tasteless Louise and Tom Basl photos, cartoons, and posts were there?
Felipe is getting off easy. Nothing yet about defecating or urinating on his grave, about digging him up, sodomizing the corpse, etc. Nope, Felipe is still sleeping happily under the dirt, for now.
Just wait until Richard or Sharon croaks; you haven't seen the tip of tastelessness....
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Dipping dark
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Date: January 30, 2017 10:54PM
Family get together Wrote:
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> William was not invited.
Where the fuck did this little black kid come from, the Morenos take dark meat too??
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> William was not invited.
Where the fuck did this little black kid come from, the Morenos take dark meat too??
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
stfu miz
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Date: January 30, 2017 11:02PM
Zxcmnb Wrote:
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> tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
Nothing's unfair on FFU
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> tasteless and unfair. Oh yeah,
> that's right, those are 2 of the adjectives (among
> the milder ones) best describing FxU.
Nothing's unfair on FFU
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
LMAO!
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Date: February 07, 2017 01:09AM
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
life without Miz
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Date: November 25, 2017 01:48PM
Richard Leroy Moreno aka "tootguy" barely outlived his father. Imagine how much longer and happier his life would have been had his son William Moreno never been born.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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Let's call it a "retraction"
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Date: November 25, 2017 02:18PM
I still say leave Joanna alone Wrote:
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
I'm thinking Sharon has time to consider a postnatal abortion.
143 trimester may seem a little late if it was concerning a normal fetus.
hell, many pro-lifers think it is okay if the life of the mother is in question.
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
I'm thinking Sharon has time to consider a postnatal abortion.
143 trimester may seem a little late if it was concerning a normal fetus.
hell, many pro-lifers think it is okay if the life of the mother is in question.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
22LXB
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Date: November 25, 2017 05:21PM
Thanks to the stress (and stab wounds) caused by his son William, old tootguy Richard only outlived his own father by eleven months.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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'mostly boisterous family'
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Date: November 25, 2017 06:15PM
Another euphamism, like 'dark humor'?
stabstabstabstabstab!
stabstabstabstabstab!
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Obesity lives
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Date: November 25, 2017 06:52PM
'mostly boisterous family' Wrote:
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> Another euphamism, like 'dark humor'?
>
>
> stabstabstabstabstab!
That "mostly boisterous family" phrase does sound like a code word. However based on the photo it appears that the family spends most of their time eating.
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> Another euphamism, like 'dark humor'?
>
>
> stabstabstabstabstab!
That "mostly boisterous family" phrase does sound like a code word. However based on the photo it appears that the family spends most of their time eating.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
little kid looks like Obama
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Date: November 25, 2017 06:58PM
I mean, he really does.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Boisterous
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Date: November 25, 2017 07:01PM
They look like the type of family that considers Cracker Barrel to be fine dining. Meade Skelton should be accepted into that family, even though he's about 1 foot taller than an average Moreno.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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Meade would be delighted
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Date: November 25, 2017 07:02PM
That family would be the largest audience he'd ever had.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Group photo
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Date: November 25, 2017 07:03PM
Is that a family reunion, or a team building exercise for a bunch of Wal Mart employees?
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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well, they seem happy
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Date: November 25, 2017 07:07PM
except for miz's siblings - they don't look happy. Perhaps the drama back home was on their minds.
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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It would be great
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Date: November 26, 2017 12:39AM
Meade would be delighted Wrote:
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> That family would be the largest audience he'd
> ever had.
Feed Meade a plate of refrieds a couple of hours before, he will smell like beans and ass. The Morenos just might mistake him for one of their own.
If Meade could sing "La Cucaracha", he might even endear himself to some of the more decrepit family members.
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> That family would be the largest audience he'd
> ever had.
Feed Meade a plate of refrieds a couple of hours before, he will smell like beans and ass. The Morenos just might mistake him for one of their own.
If Meade could sing "La Cucaracha", he might even endear himself to some of the more decrepit family members.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
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Miz for Prison 2017
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Date: November 27, 2017 05:40AM
All these Moreno deaths recently would give one hope the trend continues or accelerates.
Miz hates Meade.
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Miz hates Meade.
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Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
Involuntary committal
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Date: April 16, 2018 06:31AM
I still say leave Joanna alone Wrote:
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
Coming soon for William Moreno
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> The kids can't do shit about their brother. Yet.
>
> Once Sharon and tootguy kick off, I envision the
> sister grasping miz by the left arm, the brother
> by the right arm, then the two of them marching
> miz straight into an asylum.
Coming soon for William Moreno
Re: Rest in peace Felipe Moreno
Posted by:
pedos
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Date: July 27, 2020 11:13AM
Was Moreno grandfather a pedophile as well?