Dumbass

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html

trust me, I'll spank him til he cries when he gets home tonight.

I'll also impose a 30 day moratorium on blowjobs--although they usually only take about 7 seconds.

That boy gonna learn some manners, or he can find some new "strange".

fucker.

Oh yeah, that Wilson guy is a grade-A, certifiable tube of douchepaste *

(*credit to Squiggles.)

WTF was that handwritten sign in his lap?

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“Joe Wilson took our state's reputation to a new low. I thought Mark Sanford had taken it as low as it could go, but this is beyond the pale," Clyburn said.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26970_Page2.html#ixzz0QhPAO9X2

Expect all the idiots on the Right to circle around this moron. The further Limbaugh-i-zation of the Republican Party.

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It sounds more like the democrats are using this guy as a poster child for all the demons they face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the guy for being an ass.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It sounds more like the democrats are using this
> guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the guy
> for being an ass.


He represents what the Republicans have become...a conservative answer to Cindy Sheehan.

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he's become one of those town hall screamers we all like to redicule....only in south carolina

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > It sounds more like the democrats are using
> this
> > guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> > face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the guy
> > for being an ass.
>
>
> He represents what the Republicans have become...a
> conservative answer to Cindy Sheehan.

And you are starting to sound a bit shrill WTL. In recent days you have become little more than a partisan hack.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Expect all the idiots on the Right to circle
> around this moron. The further Limbaugh-i-zation
> of the Republican Party.

Arizona Sen. John McCain , the 2008 Republican presidential nominee and a fellow veteran, denounced the comment as “totally disrespectful and called on Wilson to “apologize immediately” during a post-speech interview on CNN.

McCain is not the only one to admonish Wilson.

Hardly the rallying around Wilson you predict.

He will likely be censured or in someway disciplined by the House, as he should be. The irony being that the discipline will come quickly while the "investigation" into Raspy Rangel's financial matters will languish.

If only the Democrats were so indignant at their own when they heckled President Bush in 2005.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It sounds more like the democrats are using
> > this
> > > guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> > > face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the
> guy
> > > for being an ass.
> >
> >
> > He represents what the Republicans have
> become...a
> > conservative answer to Cindy Sheehan.
>
> And you are starting to sound a bit shrill WTL. In
> recent days you have become little more than a
> partisan hack.

fuck bi-partisanship. it's gay to want to get together with another man in a closed room for purposes of agreeing. we'll just go at this alone while you sit on the sidelines.

I LoveThe Fake Indignation Wrote:
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> If only the Democrats were so indignant at their
> own when they heckled President Bush in 2005.

They heckled Bush all of the time and were proud of it. It is the party of lawyers and liars, what do you expect?

Might I add that I was an enthusiastic supporter of Bush and his eloquent speeches. Reminds me of the time I was in grade school giving oral reports on the state capitals.

welcome to jv league Wrote:
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> fuck bi-partisanship. it's gay to want to get
> together with another man in a closed room for
> purposes of agreeing. we'll just go at this alone
> while you sit on the sidelines.


Translation - he's only gay for democrats.

I uhh am uhh also uhh a uhh supporter of uhh uhh Obama's uhh eloquence.

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>
> They heckled Bush all of the time and were proud of it.

When did anyone ever shout out loud during a Bush address??



> It is the party of lawyers and liars, what do you expect?

LMAO. Yup, no lawyers in the GOP, and we all know how truthful the Bush administration was. LOL the irony.

Give it up you wacko. What Wilson did was wrong. No one, even on the right, is defending him. What's worse is he was dead wrong about it. Hope it was worth his seat in congress.

welcome to jv league Wrote:
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>
> fuck bi-partisanship. it's gay to want to get
> together with another man in a closed room for
> purposes of agreeing. we'll just go at this alone
> while you sit on the sidelines.

Please do. I am sure I can speak for many conservatives who welcome the learning experience that will come when the Democrats "go it alone" and ram through their legislation.

I will quote the popular mantra that seems to hold true under all circumstances of this kind:

"It's about the economy stupid"

In this case to also include the massive deficit.

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> conVince Wrote:
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> >
> > They heckled Bush all of the time and were proud
> of it.
>
> When did anyone ever shout out loud during a Bush
> address??


.

give it up Wrote:
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> Hope it was worth his seat in congress.


I'm sure the Dem opposing him will see an influx of campaign donations from outside the state over the next few days.

I think this situation is great. I think more and more Republicans should get up and shout dumb shit like this. The embarrassment is counter-productive and it's hilarious.

give it up Wrote:
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> Give it up you wacko. What Wilson did was wrong.
> No one, even on the right, is defending him.
> What's worse is he was dead wrong about it. Hope
> it was worth his seat in congress.

Who is actually defending him. I have yet to see a post on this board defend Wilson. Maybe you should give it up. And not the way you give it up to your boyfriend.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> welcome to jv league Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > fuck bi-partisanship. it's gay to want to get
> > together with another man in a closed room for
> > purposes of agreeing. we'll just go at this
> alone
> > while you sit on the sidelines.
>
> Please do. I am sure I can speak for many
> conservatives who welcome the learning experience
> that will come when the Democrats "go it alone"
> and ram through their legislation.
>
> I will quote the popular mantra that seems to hold
> true under all circumstances of this kind:
>
> "It's about the economy stupid"
>
> In this case to also include the massive deficit.

quote this popular mantra: you're economically stupid.

meaning even if you paid for an education, it still wouldn't work.

u give up Wrote:
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> give it up Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Give it up you wacko. What Wilson did was
> wrong.
> > No one, even on the right, is defending him.
> > What's worse is he was dead wrong about it.
> Hope
> > it was worth his seat in congress.
>
> Who is actually defending him. I have yet to see
> a post on this board defend Wilson. Maybe you
> should give it up. And not the way you give it up
> to your boyfriend.

like the way you're giving it up to RV, huh?

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A) I never said it didn't happen, I asked if it did happen

B) There's no one shouting out loud in that video, it's not even a comparison

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> here's your crow Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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>
> A) I never said it didn't happen, I asked if it
> did happen
>
> B) There's no one shouting out loud in that
> video, it's not even a comparison

You either need to turn on the volume or change the batteries in your hearing aid, of course they are shouting outloud. I can admit Joe Wilson is an ass for his outburst. Why can't you say the same about the gaggle of dumbass dems who are guilty of the same behavior?

To be fair, Obama called 'prominent politicians' liars immediately before being called a liar himself:

"The best example is the claim, made not just by radio and cable talk show hosts, but prominent politicians, that we plan to set up panels of bureaucrats with the power to kill off senior citizens. Such a charge would be laughable if it weren't so cynical and irresponsible. It is a lie, plain and simple.

There are also those who claim that our reform effort will insure illegal immigrants. This, too, is false — the reforms I'm proposing would not apply to those who are here illegally."

*** "You lie"

The question is not if the bill allows for immigrants to be covered, but how they will be prevented from using it. Will doctors check immigration status before treatment? Unlikely.

The best example of this is distinction that the US government doesn't allow immigrants to illegally come into the US, but it is apparent that they are (apparently) powerless to stop it. Will illegal immigrant health care be the same situation? I think the answer is obviously yes.

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> like the way you're giving it up to RV, huh?

no, more like the way you give it up to Barney Fag.

I truly enjoy using the word "gaggle." Reminds me of the sound I make when a cock is shoved down my throat.

Wow, that dude has a serious thing for gay posting. Come on out of the closet already. Your rage and anger are too much for you to handle. Believe me, nobody will be surprised.

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> give it up Wrote:


> > Hope it was worth his seat in congress.

> I'm sure the Dem opposing him will see an influx
> of campaign donations from outside the state over
> the next few days.

Word is out this morning that his opponent in the 2010 elections received $100,000 in donations overnight. O-V-E-R-N-I-G-H-T !!!!!!

I'd say he's massively fucked.

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Im glad Joe Wilson did what he did. His story is on the front page of the
Washington Post this morning. I'm sure the Dems would rather sweep the
Illegal Immigration problem under the rug and pretend it doesnt exist, but
at least they cannot hide from it anymore. Obama was lying through his
teeth and Wilson was right.

Check this out: http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/2009_07_24_Analysis_Section_246_is_Ineffective_vFINAL.pdf?docID=3101

Hahaha.... you cite FAIR's website? Yup, no batshit looney agenda going on there....


Wayne Wrote:
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> Im glad Joe Wilson did what he did. His story is
> on the front page of the
> Washington Post this morning. I'm sure the Dems
> would rather sweep the
> Illegal Immigration problem under the rug and
> pretend it doesnt exist, but
> at least they cannot hide from it anymore. Obama
> was lying through his
> teeth and Wilson was right.
>
> Check this out:
> http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/2009_07_24_An
> alysis_Section_246_is_Ineffective_vFINAL.pdf?docID
> =3101

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Hahaha.... you cite FAIR's website? Yup, no
> batshit looney agenda going on there....
>
>
> Wayne Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Im glad Joe Wilson did what he did. His story
> is
> > on the front page of the
> > Washington Post this morning. I'm sure the Dems
> > would rather sweep the
> > Illegal Immigration problem under the rug and
> > pretend it doesnt exist, but
> > at least they cannot hide from it anymore.
> Obama
> > was lying through his
> > teeth and Wilson was right.
> >
> > Check this out:
> >
> http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/2009_07_24_An
>
> >
> alysis_Section_246_is_Ineffective_vFINAL.pdf?docID
>
> > =3101

Yes I cited FAIR's website. If you like, I can also post links to NumbersUSA,
the Minutemen, etc... All are groups who opposed Illegal Immigration and I
trust them far more than the lying assholes who seem to think we cannot live
without more illegals. HA!

I expected criticism for linking to FAIR, but I notice you did not challenge
their findings on Section 246.

Wayne Wrote:
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> Yes I cited FAIR's website. If you like, I can
> also post links to NumbersUSA,
> the Minutemen, etc... All are groups who opposed
> Illegal Immigration and I
> trust them far more than the lying assholes who
> seem to think we cannot live
> without more illegals. HA!
>
> I expected criticism for linking to FAIR, but I
> notice you did not challenge
> their findings on Section 246.


I think www.clutching-to-my-guns.com says it too.

Wayne Wrote:
>
> I expected criticism for linking to FAIR, but I notice you did not challenge their findings on Section 246.


I don't consider FAIR to be accurate, rational, or unbiased. So I didn't bother reading it. In the same sense that I wouldn't bother biting into a moldy piece of bread just to determine whether it is spoiled or not.

the imposter poster Wrote:
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> Wow, that dude has a serious thing for gay
> posting. Come on out of the closet already. Your
> rage and anger are too much for you to handle.
> Believe me, nobody will be surprised.

Almost forgot to add, my hobbies includes going to musicals and listening to Cher.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > It sounds more like the democrats are using
> > this
> > > guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> > > face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the
> guy
> > > for being an ass.
> >
> >
> > He represents what the Republicans have
> become...a
> > conservative answer to Cindy Sheehan.
>
> And you are starting to sound a bit shrill WTL. In
> recent days you have become little more than a
> partisan hack.

I'm not coming from the standpoint of "a partisan hack." I am a realist. Obama will not fail on health care reform. When a bill gets passed, the recent Republican freak show will be tied around the Party's neck like an albatross...the same way the Terri Schiavo fiasco led to the downfall of Tom DeLay, Rick Santorum and Bill Frist.

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With the House Democrats splitting on the with or without public option vote, and the Senate conflicted to the point that only Max Baucus seems to have any viable input, it will be interesting to see how they "come together" for this one.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> With the House Democrats splitting on the with or
> without public option vote, and the Senate
> conflicted to the point that only Max Baucus seems
> to have any viable input, it will be interesting
> to see how they "come together" for this one.


They will come together because failure is not an option. If the Democrats want to avoid a repeat of 1994, they must be successful, even if it comes down to a straight party-line vote.

They must be successful. So they will be successful.

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Keep talking yourself right out of a seat Joe!! LMAO

http://www.actblue.com/entity/fundraisers/19079

Wow....$357,000 with 14 months to go.

Buh Bye, Joe!

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fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Wow....$357,000 with 14 months to go.
>
> Buh Bye, Joe!

Fairy,

I am amazed and impressed with the depth of your political knowledge. You must be some kind of campaign guru. Keep up the outstanding political analysis. You are the best!

/s/
the ffxu community of users

Ummm....I clicked on the link and read the number.

Dumbass.

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fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Ummm....I clicked on the link and read the
> number.
>
> Dumbass.


Fairy,

Don't sell yourself short. You did more than just click on a link and read a number. You provided some seriously insightful analysis about the race. Watch out David Axelrod and James Carville, fairfaxdude is poised to be the next big name to hit the campaign world.

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Ummm....I clicked on the link and read the
> number.
>
> Dumbass.


You're a fucking moron.

LOL an anony-troll fan base!

I guess that means I've arrived!

PLACATING STATEMENT ABOUT ANONY-TROLLS MOMMA'S TEATS

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4:42 update:

Miller is at $427,000 now. The $$$$ pouring in from all over the country.

Hilarious!

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Yes, that's great. Keep an eye on that for us FF - it is obviously an important issue that needs to be refreshed every few minutes.

It will be interesting to see if it matters when the next election comes around - especially if there is no national ticket issue, like say Obama running for President...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Wilson_%28U.S._politician%29

$647,000 now......LOL

It may not matter at all in that conservative district, but I bet the TV ads Miller can buy now will be hilarious!

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It sounds more like the democrats are using this
> guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the guy
> for being an ass.


Lol an "ass"? Are you serious? He's the first member of Congress to finally have some guts. It is a good thing that he called President Obama out, because the statement in question was in fact a blatant lie.

If any of you hypocritical leftists feel that you are more righteous, then go complain about the Democrat members of Congress booing President Bush, or Pelosi sitting behind President Bush, centered on camera, while reading a book during his State Of The Union Speech.

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It sounds more like the democrats are using
> this
> > guy as a poster child for all the demons they
> > face. I have yet to hear anyone applaud the guy
> > for being an ass.
>
>
> Lol an "ass"? Are you serious? He's the first
> member of Congress to finally have some guts. It
> is a good thing that he called President Obama
> out, because the statement in question was in fact
> a blatant lie.
>
> If any of you hypocritical leftists feel that you
> are more righteous, then go complain about the
> Democrat members of Congress booing President
> Bush, or Pelosi sitting behind President Bush,
> centered on camera, while reading a book during
> his State Of The Union Speech.

And now you have one RV.

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> $647,000 now......LOL'


S.C.'s Wilson Rakes In $750,000 in Less Than 48 Hours; Opponent Tops $1 Million

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitol-briefing/2009/09/scs_wilson_rakes_in_750000_in.html

Well, so much for the game changer of extra money huh? Next election down there will be well lit up from both sides of the argument.

This is one of the best internet blog posts I've read yet that is being circulated on the internet. It hold both accountable for their statements and actions (or lack thereof) without taking sides. It will be interesting to see how the Democrats react.

========

bobfbell wrote in Washington Post Blog (9/11/2009) , “Shout Draws Focus to Illegal Immigrant Issue”

It is easy to criticize and dismiss a raving lunatic like Joe Wilson, but there is a grain of truth in what he infers about the impact of illegal immigrants on health care reform.

I am a supporter of reform but even I know that our current policies and laws relative to how immigrants are actually, not theoretically, treated when it comes to health care leave a huge loophole in the system which can be exploited without some greater degree of penalties and enforcement for gaming the system.

Ask the citizens of California if the provision of court mandated social services to illegals, including health care, is not a problem. Go to any emergency room in California and see the makeup of the clientele. And, the cost of these services is borne by the taxpayers of California and those citizens paying into the health care insurance system there.

Supporters of this bill also tend to align themselves with some degree of immigration "reform" which is code for some kind of amnesty as a partial solution. So it is easy and disingenuous for them to claim that illegals will not benefit from any "reformed" system while they continue their policy of benign neglect to the manifold problems caused by illegal immigrants. Fact is, if there are not strict provisions for fraud in any health care reform bill, there will be abuses and critics of reform will be correct in their opposition to it on that singular point. The minute there is "amnesty" you can bet it will include a full menu of services and benefits enjoyed by legal citizens.

If President Obama and Democrats are serious about health care reform and eliminating some of the "misconceptions" about it, why not simply include in the final bill language which specifically precludes the provision of health care for anyone who is not a citizen; enforce this provision by a Federal law superceding State laws and overriding standing Federal Circuit court rulings and making the penalty for fraud by any illegal alien (e.g. using forged documents or making false statements about citizenship) automatic deportation?

Vague and misleading statements about how little the illegal community avails itself of our health care system are nothing more than an attempt to divert critics of illegal immigration, like myself, from the central truth and fact: if you are here illegally you are not entitled to the benefits, to any extent, of a citizen, particularly benefits paid for by citizens paying taxes to support those benefits. And, if the Administration is serious about listening to "other ideas" and including in a final bill the thoughts of others, this kind of provision should be a no brainer. Why? Because in one fell swoop Obama could take the wind out of the sails of critics and prove he is both pragmatic and hard nosed enough to put his legislative money where his mouth is. Let's see if the steely demeanor on display Wednesday night carries through to the pragmatism of crafting a sensible bill?

By the way, same principle should apply to abortion, Medicare/Medicaid fraud and any other issue where conservatives have concern and would like our government to put some teeth into enforcing a law and not just bemoaning the fact that there is always going to be some slippage in any system as large and complex as this. If, as the President says, every health care dollar should count, we should be concerned about any waste and fraud and be draconian about preventing it. If we have a health care "crisis" we should not treat any aspect of solving it with half hearted or politically expedient measures.

If Obama and the Democrats continue to be "vague" and non-specific on this topic, they will by lying and Mr. Wilson, for all his boorishness, will have been correct.

"Let people die unless they prove they're citizens."

RestonLass Wrote:
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> This is one of the best internet blog posts I've
> read yet that is being circulated on the internet.
> It hold both accountable for their statements and
> actions (or lack thereof) without taking sides.
> It will be interesting to see how the Democrats
> react.
>

This has some merit but I will say one thing. If the language requires everyone, say, carry a social security card to get treatment, you'll be pissing off a lot of regulars. Try going to the DMV to get a licenses these days. I'm legal, but damn if I know where my birth cert is or if my passport is up to date, etc.

duma Wrote:
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>
> This has some merit but I will say one thing. If
> the language requires everyone, say, carry a
> social security card to get treatment, you'll be
> pissing off a lot of regulars. Try going to the
> DMV to get a licenses these days. I'm legal, but
> damn if I know where my birth cert is or if my
> passport is up to date, etc.

You obviously don't work, travel (air or cruises) or applied for a job recently have you?

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> "Let people die unless they prove they're
> citizens."

The vocal minority SAY they would like the US to emulate the health care distribution system of other government-involved countries. This is how they manage health care distribution, with the exception of emergency care.

If you are not eligible for care, you do not get a card. Without a card, you are denied access to the FREE non-emergency care clinics and hospitals and either advised to pay for your service, or referred to a church run charity clinic.

If you are not eligible for free non-emergency government care, cannot pay for the service and don't want to go to a church clinic, then you do without. What happens to you after that is entirely up to you.

Americans seem to think they can have it all, can cover everything for everyone without question. and this will all be funded by the health care reform fairy.

It doesn't work that way and there IS an ugly side to government-involved health care distribution for those who are not eligible for care. It's even worse in countries with strict enforcement to prevent free-loaders from trying to game the system. Though it may not be on the website or posted on the front page of the newspaper, sometimes people do die.

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> > conVince Wrote:
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> > ----
> > >
> > > They heckled Bush all of the time and were
> proud
> > of it.
> >
> > When did anyone ever shout out loud during a
> Bush
> > address??
>
>
> .
>
>


Guess they were booing - Dems did one thing right during his term then.

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>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-w
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Dumberass
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I will add that as my name states, I'm REALLY gay.

My asshole itches so bad from last night.

At least he drew attention to the fact that the bill as written would have provided healthcare to illegals. Now they go back to work to plug that loophole.

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After President Obama on Wednesday said his proposed health care reforms would not apply to illegal immigrants, Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouted out, "You lie!"

To ensure that new programs or benefits created through health care reform do not apply to illegal residents, Sen. Max Baucus and his bipartisan "gang of six" legislators from the Senate Finance Committee are reportedly considering adding a citizen verification component to their health care bill, which should be unveiled next week.

"We spent some time talking about how one proves one's status to be eligible ... to prove that you're a citizen," Baucus told Roll Call newspaper on Thursday. "Illegal residents are clearly excluded."

Roll Call reports that the gang of six is likely to mandate the use of Social Security numbers as a form of citizenship verification. The group would also likely give alternative means of proving citizenship, since some citizens do not have Social Security numbers.

The committee met Friday morning to discuss the framework for reform that Baucus laid out this week and ways to improve it.

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/09/11/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5303572.shtml



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/12/2009 04:08PM by Dane Bramage.

And again - they won't technically be illegals in 4 years (or less) if they pass the legislation that gives them lawful permanent resident status... They will be here "lawfully" then.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> And again - they won't technically be illegals in
> 4 years (or less) if they pass the legislation
> that gives them lawful permanent resident
> status... They will be here "lawfully" then.

What IF they just give everyone 1M dollars? Our recession would be over. And what IF they just forget all the debts? And what IF everyone just got free shares in their favorite company. And what IF... see how that works?

There is no IF on this issue. It is only WHEN.

When you take your head out of your ass come back and have a more intelligent discussion.

EDIT: Oh wait, I am sorry... IF you take your head out of your ass.

See how that works?



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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> There is no IF on this issue. It is only WHEN.
>
> When you take your head out of your ass come back
> and have a more intelligent discussion.
>
> EDIT: Oh wait, I am sorry... IF you take your head
> out of your ass.
>
> See how that works?


You wrote "if they pass legislation" in that message RV. Are you drinking? You seem really angry.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> And again - they won't technically be illegals in
> 4 years (or less) if they pass the legislation
> that gives them lawful permanent resident
> status... They will be here "lawfully" then.


Quoted so RV doesn't edit it. BOLD is mine.

Are you always an ass, or is it just today that you came to the realization you wanted to grow up and be a dumb shit?

Do you honestly believe they are NOT going to give them lawful access to health care? Obama? If you do then you really need to get that rectal exam 2nd opinion sooner then you thought.

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> message RV. Are you drinking? You seem really
> angry.

I've noticed that too. Time to step away from the computer dude (and turn off Bill O'Reilley. That guy will rile you up!)

Yes duma - it seems this does apply to you after all..
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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Are you always an ass, or is it just today that
> you came to the realization you wanted to grow up
> and be a dumb shit?
>
> Do you honestly believe they are NOT going to give
> them lawful access to health care? Obama? If you
> do then you really need to get that rectal exam
> 2nd opinion sooner then you thought.

Then why did you write 'IF'? That was the point of the other posters response.

I wrote IF because I didn't know the Clinton remedial school on speech was holding classes today.

The appropriate word was WHEN - my mistake for assuming intelligence where none was present.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes duma - it seems this does apply to you after
> all..
> .

Yes attack the person when your argument is weak. Typical GOP approach. BTW- Obama is not for amnesty. Pay a fine and get to the end of the line. I don't see a problem with that.

Which then makes them legal and eligible for health care. Oh yeah.. oops but no coverage for illegals.



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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> I wrote IF because I didn't know the Clinton
> remedial school on speech was holding classes
> today.
>
> The appropriate word was WHEN - my mistake for
> assuming intelligence where none was present.


That makes no sense. They are two different words and changes the meaning of the sentence immensely. It's fine to say I was wrong in my choice of words and this is what I meant to say. I think you owe the other poster an appology.

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> What IF they just give everyone 1M dollars? Our
> recession would be over. And what IF they just
> forget all the debts? And what IF everyone just
> got free shares in their favorite company. And
> what IF... see how that works?

Since you agree with this response duma, that was obviously an attempt to make my argument irrelevant for the use of one word - the fact that you continue to argue with more irrelevance is just that. Irrelevant.

The other poster can apologize to himself for his/her own stupidity.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Which then makes them legal and eligible for
> health care. Oh yeah.. oops but no coverage for
> illegals.

After they go through the steps of legalization, they will be legal citizens of the USA and therefore all rights to citizens are available to them (with the exception of a few things like becoming POTUS). Are you saying this is wrong?

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Since you agree with this response duma, that was
> obviously an attempt to make my argument
> irrelevant for the use of one word - the fact that
> you continue to argue with more irrelevance is
> just that. Irrelevant.
>
> The other poster can apologize to himself for
> his/her own stupidity.

Actually I just think you trying to defend your stance here was wrong. You obviously wrote it wrong, she/he read it as it was written, and now you're trying to back out with ridiculous justifications. Again, easy enough to admit your mistake and issue an appology.

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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > Which then makes them legal and eligible for
> > health care. Oh yeah.. oops but no coverage for
> > illegals.
>
> After they go through the steps of legalization,
> they will be legal citizens of the USA and
> therefore all rights to citizens are available to
> them (with the exception of a few things like
> becoming POTUS). Are you saying this is wrong?

So you admit then that Obama's argument was false. By saying illegals were not going to be covered under the new health care changes, he was "misleading" folks in the fact that he knows full well they are going to be covered when the immigration laws are changed to allow them to be here "lawfully". As folks who post here like to point out - misleading = liar correct? So, Obama was lying.

That is the only point to be made in this particular thread. if you want to argue path to legal citizenship you will need to talk to that in another thread.

What, troll business slow today? The rest of the point is moot.

Nice FAIL by the way.
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> So you admit then that Obama's argument was false.
> By saying illegals were not going to be covered
> under the new health care changes, he was
> "misleading" folks in the fact that he knows full
> well they are going to be covered when the
> immigration laws are changed to allow them to be
> here "lawfully". As folks who post here like to
> point out - misleading = liar correct? So, Obama
> was lying.

But they're not illegal at the time of coverage (provided a yet to be decided mechanism exists to legalize them. If this never happens, they never get coverage). Do all you GOP'ers think this way? It really is ignorant.

Having read some of RV exchanges here in the past, this is typical RV backpedaling. Good luck trying to get this guy to admit he's wrong. You can expect a litany of more put downs and ad hominems.

Backpeddling? LOL

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/backpedaling

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back·ped·al (bkpdl)
intr.v. back·ped·aled or back·ped·alled, back·ped·al·ing or back·ped·al·ling, back·ped·als
1. To move the pedals of a bicycle or similar vehicle backward, especially to apply a brake.
2. To move backward by taking short quick steps, as in boxing or football.
3. To retreat or withdraw from a position or attitude: The senator later backpedaled on the issue.

Your argument is worthless "oldtimer". Maybe you should check the senility at the door since you don't seem to understand the english language. Talk about ignorant - I can see where you get your knowledge, you and duma (presuming you aren't the same anonymous troll posting to reinforce your own stupid argument) appear to have gone to the same school for functional illiterates. Go troll somewhere else poster-children.

The use of "if" and "when" only changes the certainty of the event happening. My statement was correct - your arguments are nothing but trolling BS.



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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Backpeddling? LOL
>
> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/backpedaling
>
> back·ped·al (bkpdl)
> intr.v. back·ped·aled or back·ped·alled,
> back·ped·al·ing or back·ped·al·ling, back·ped·als
> 1. To move the pedals of a bicycle or similar
> vehicle backward, especially to apply a brake.
> 2. To move backward by taking short quick steps,
> as in boxing or football.
> 3. To retreat or withdraw from a position or
> attitude: The senator later backpedaled on the
> issue.
>
>
> Your argument is worthless "oldtimer". Maybe you
> should check the senility at the door since you
> don't seem to understand the english language.
> Talk about ignorant - I can see where you get your
> knowledge, you and duma (presuming you aren't the
> same anonymous troll posting to reinforce your own
> stupid argument) appear to have gone to the same
> school for functional illiterates. Go troll
> somewhere else poster-children.
>
> The use of "if" and "when" only changes the
> certainty of the event happening. My statement was
> correct - your arguments are nothing but trolling
> BS.

I figured you'd prove my point sooner rather then later (though expected another witty image). Same story, different day.

R2D2 has a message for you.
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> My statement was
> correct - your arguments are nothing but trolling
> BS.

Again, incorrect as they aren't illegal at time of coverage. Do you seriously not understand this?

It's called "misleading" - do you not understand this?

Typical RV wacko responses towing the GOP party line of fear and confusion. Is the Tea Party over or is he iPhoning this garbage in?

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It's called "misleading" - do you not understand
> this?


How is it misleading? If (your words) immigration doesn't happen they won't get covered.

The trolls have the thread. My point was made, and complete. Have fun.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> The trolls have the thread. My point was made, and
> complete. Have fun.

Nice out. Maybe next time you'll think a little harder before spouting off.

*sniff*

I am so touched you care. Might want to check your own spout next time, seems to be in the wrong place.

Guess you weren't out after all. Feel free to answer my last question if (or is it 'when') you can. It's posted below:

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Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It's called "misleading" - do you not understand
> this?


How is it misleading? If (your words) immigration doesn't happen they won't get covered.

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww RV's taking his ball and going home.

RV, you're presuming Congress will pass a bill to grant amnesty for 12-16 million illegal aliens. It may be a just a little too soon to say "when" rather than "if."

It is a very real probability that Americans are for some government control to protect their right to unrestricted health insurnce at a reasonable cost.

I'm not so sure they are ready to give all those illegal aliens the key to the Medicaid Castle, knowing that Main Street Americans will be footing the bill. I'm also not so sure the argument that they'll be going to the ERs if we don't will fly either.

All they have to do is give them legal worker status - that will make them qualify for being in the country "lawfully". You would actually argue that point? Pretty funny with all your other posts here. But hey, feel free to feed the trolls.

legal worker status is a temp resident and not entitled to government funded benefits - they are usually either on their own or sponsored.

Not in the way that has been discussed. I posted some articles on it the other day. They would not grant them amnesty, but per the bill it will only stop folks that are in the US 'unlawfully" from receiving benefits in the current form. So yeah - if they pass anything that gives them a lawful reason to be here, they will qualify.

A work visa is different than legal status RV.

Legal status is a permanent visa (green card) issued by immigration or a blanket amnesty - path to citizenship granted by Congress. Both would be eligible for benefits, though some have a 5-year waiting period.


A work visa is tied to an employer who is usually required to sponsor. All benefits and services are provided by the employer. They are legally authorized to work in the country, but they are not entitled to any government funded benefits.

I missed your articles, can you tell me where to find them?