McDonnell supports statewide immigration enforcement plan
By: David Sherfinski
Examiner Staff Writer
September 4, 2009

Virginia gubernatorial candidate Bob McDonnell would move to expand a local immigration enforcement program statewide if elected, the former attorney general said.


The Republican said he would like to see Virginia State Police trained for the program, known as 287(g), which allows local law enforcement officials to enforce some federal immigration laws. Some local jurisdictions in the state, including Prince William and Loudoun counties, participate in the program.


“I have urged Governor Kaine for one and a half years to enter into [the] partnership,” he said in an interview with reporters and editors at The Washington Examiner. “It would be a proper and limited tool to help us enforce the law.”


McDonnell said he has met with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials about six times, as well as leaders of the ethnic community, to make sure they knew what the program entailed and that it was “not a subterfuge for profiling.”


Prince William County Police Chief Charlie Deane also has tried to assure residents that the department does not engage in racial profiling, and that crime victims and witnesses will be protected. A University of Virginia study released last month said that most citizens approve of the way Prince William police are enforcing the policy, but also that the county policy would be challenging to implement on a large scale.


McDonnell, however, said he was confident that the program could be expanded to the state level, adding that it was a “legitimate and prudent” way to enforce the law.


Critics argue that the program lacks a clear directive and is not an effective solution.


“Creigh Deeds supports common-sense efforts to identify and deport undocumented immigrants in local jails,” said Deeds campaign spokesman Jared Leopold.


Leopold added that Deeds would oppose a statewide program that would force local governments to pay for what he said was a federal responsibility.

dsherfinski@washingtonexaminer.com

Very good....McDonnell just lost virtually every hispanic vote!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

"Critics argue that the program lacks a clear directive and is not an effective solution."

Indeed.

a clear directive and effective solution would be to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.

just sayin'.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Gravis Wrote:
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> a clear directive and effective solution would be
> to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.
>
> just sayin'.


dream on...if it got to that point they'd probably wipe your fat ass and big mouth off the face of the earth first.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

What he doesn't say is that he doesn't support E-Verify and holds contractors accountable by having them sign a statement that they won't knowingly hire illegal aliens.

Now that No Match SS letters have been ruled unconstitutional, and without E-Verify, there isn't a contractor in the Commonwealth who can be charged with KNOWINGLY hire an illegal alien.

The only immigration enforcememnt McDonnell supports is what is in place now - fingerprinting when arrested and IF ICE has the manpower and detention space to deport those perviously convicted of a felony, they will be picked up.

Vince's forehead vein doesn't need to throb - McDonnell is making certain his contractor contributors are "protected." They and the illegals and the support groups are all winking and nodding.



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RestonLass Wrote:
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> What he doesn't say is that he doesn't support
> E-Verify and holds contractors accountable by
> having them sign a statement that they won't
> knowingly hire illegal aliens.
>
> Now that No Match SS letters have been ruled
> unconstitutional, and without E-Verify, there
> isn't a contractor in the Commonwealth who can be
> charged with KNOWINGLY hire an illegal alien.
>
> The only immigration enforcememnt McDonnell
> supports is what is in place now - fingerprinting
> when arrested and IF ICE has the manpower and
> detention space to deport those perviously
> convicted of a felony, they will be picked up.
>
> Vince's forehead vein doesn't need to throb -
> McDonnell is making certain his contractor
> contributors are "protected." They and the
> illegals and the support groups are all winking
> and nodding.

that bastard.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Honestly, we don't have the money or man-power to do anything else.

I am all for deporting felons. That is a good start. I used to be in the "get rid of them all" crowd, but there is some truth to the fact that their contributions to the local tax base (not the federal) make an impact.

If we could get them on legitimate guest worker programs where they pay federal taxes and are subject to minimum wage laws I think you would see a more natural re-balancing of the equation around the country, and make it more fair to everyone. Then we would still need to revisit issues with citizenship versus the rights of illegals and see how we want to deal with that moving forward.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

If E-Verify were installed in all government agencies, and all workplaces were required to run all new hires through the program, there would not be a need to round em up and ship em out. They would leave on their own.

Without work or benefits, they have no incentive to remain and will go to a more illegal alien friendly state - like DC and Maryland.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> dream on...if it got to that point they'd probably
> wipe your fat ass and big mouth off the face of
> the earth first.


Vince, these personal attacks aren't helping your goal of becoming a respected poster.

Blessed are the murderous.

RestonLass Wrote:
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> If E-Verify were installed in all government
> agencies, and all workplaces were required to run
> all new hires through the program, there would not
> be a need to round em up and ship em out. They
> would leave on their own.
>
> Without work or benefits, they have no incentive
> to remain and will go to a more illegal alien
> friendly state - like DC and Maryland.

Yes, but that really doesn't solve the problem.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Vince(1) Wrote:

> dream on...if it got to that point they'd probably
> wipe your fat ass and big mouth off the face of
> the earth first.

That's stupid.

Fruppie Wrote:
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>
> That's stupid.



You're dumb.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes, but that really doesn't solve the problem.

It solves the problem for Virginia - and that is the topic of this thread.

pwned!

RestonLass Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> >
> > Yes, but that really doesn't solve the problem.
>
> It solves the problem for Virginia - and that is
> the topic of this thread.

No, the topic of the thread was on McDonnell's support of current forms of illegal enforcement to a Statewide activity.

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McDonnell, however, said he was confident that the program could be expanded to the state level, adding that it was a “legitimate and prudent” way to enforce the law.

Critics argue that the program lacks a clear directive and is not an effective solution.

“Creigh Deeds supports common-sense efforts to identify and deport undocumented immigrants in local jails,” said Deeds campaign spokesman Jared Leopold.

Leopold added that Deeds would oppose a statewide program that would force local governments to pay for what he said was a federal responsibility.
...

The difference between the two? Deeds would only support it for those held in jail currently, whereas McDonnell's would make it so anyone placed under arrest could have a determination made as to their legal status. Since you can't just walk up to someone and say "show me your immigration status papers" it has become reasonable to do so when they are arrested. I am not sure what Deeds would want - an immigration official assigned to every officer so that when they are out speaking with folks, he can do a check to see if they are here legally? Yes, that would be expensive.

For all that folks say I am an overt partisan, there are folks here that definitely make me look tame.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

No RV, McDonnell is talking about implementing 287(g) state wide. 287(g) is about arresting, fingerprinting and detaining prisoners known to be illegal alien convicted FELONs for hand off to ICE for deportation. It does not apply to illegal aliens in general, or illegal aliens convicted of misdemeanors - both of which are NOT deportable offenses - according to ICE.

Most jails in the Commonwealth are run by the Sheriff's Department and already do this, either through a county or regional agreement with ICE.

McDonnell is offering NOTHING NEW. He's just using smoke and mirrors, and everyone who is directly affected knows it.

So you are saying these other jurisdictions that operate under 287(g) are just doing that? Because I know that is not true. They wouldn't even know the folks are FELONS other than if they were arrested, right? So, once they are FELONS, then they get to be evaluated for deportation - pretty cut and dried. But even when they are brought in for many misdemeanors, they are getting fingerprinted and documented and identified for ICE to deal with. Otherwise, if no one ever asked, most times ICE wouldn't know dick about them.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2009 03:52PM by Registered Voter.

The match goes to RestonLass by about 30 car lengths.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> So you are saying these other jurisdictions that
> operate under 287(g) are just doing that? Because
> I know that is not true.

They may be arresting them, but if they aren't FELONS, ICE won't take them.


> They wouldn't even know
> the folks are FELONS other than if they were
> arrested, right?

Correct.


> So, once they are FELONS, then
> they get to be evaluated for deportation - pretty
> cut and dried.

Correct


> But even when they are brought in
> for many misdemeanors, they are getting
> fingerprinted and documented and identified for
> ICE to deal with.

No - a misdemeanor is not a deportable offense so ICE will not take them.


> Otherwise, if no one ever asked,
> most times ICE wouldn't know dick about them.

Correct

I was happy to see that two multiple sex offenders in my neighborhood (one convicted of multiple sodomy and other sex crimes against children) are now in the custody of ICE. Not to say that they won't immediately come right back, but at least that is something.

It's too bad the government can't gather up all sex offenders and send them somewhere else. Like one of those floating trash islands out in the ocean.

Mrs. K

Mrs. K....

http://sex-offender.vsp.virginia.gov/sor/offenderDetails.html?regId=10787

RestonLass Wrote:
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> > But even when they are brought in
> > for many misdemeanors, they are getting
> > fingerprinted and documented and identified for
> > ICE to deal with.
>
> No - a misdemeanor is not a deportable offense so
> ICE will not take them.
>

They still get reported. If they are wanted for Felonies from other areas or already set for deportation they are then processed out.

The only other change would be if the Federal government made a change. Nothing McDonnell will do at this point will change that.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> They still get reported. If they are wanted for
> Felonies from other areas or already set for
> deportation they are then processed out.
>
> The only other change would be if the Federal
> government made a change. Nothing McDonnell will
> do at this point will change that.


I'm not sure what you mean by "reported." If they admit they are illegal, they are entered into the database that can be accessed by other law enforcement offices. They are not reported to ICE, though ICE also has access to this database.

If they are arrested with fake ID, not in the database, and deny they are illegal, what's to report? Even ICE doesn't have access to the IRS/SS database.

====

The Federal Government HAS already made the change. It's called E-Verify - a Federal Database with 96% accuracy. When the name and SS# are entered, they are run against all 315M SS#s in IRS/SS. If there is no match, the person is denied employment – a huge deterrent to illegal aliens and contractors who pass them off as legal workers. When there is a mismatch, all the entered data is recorded in the database - to include the potential employee name and SSN, the name of the company or contractor, Business ID and location.

E-Verify is a FREE Federal Government database. Software can be set up on any business or government agency computer. In Virginia, many business currently use it – some as small as 15 people up to large businesses with 100,000 people (mostly employment agencies and businesses that hire contractors to work on Government projects).

Currently it is voluntary and McDonnell wants it to remain that way. He knows to mandate it state-wide (as other states have done) would kill illegal hiring for businesses. Each time it's brought up, he finds new excuses to defend NOT implementing it.

As the majority of criminal illegal aliens "feed on their own," ridding the Commonwealth of most of the "all other illegal aliens," would also reduce the number of criminals.

This can only be done with E-Verify in both government agencies and all workplaces. Because it is an approved Federal program, it requires only the stroke of the pen by the Local councilpersons or the Governor at the state level to implement.

McDonnell will NOT do this - it's one of the few campaign promise he made that I believe he will follow through on.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2009 09:03PM by RestonLass.

I'd be happy to hunt them. I'd only charge the state for the cost of ammo and body removal.

He's got my vote!

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/enforcement/workplace-verification/map-states-with-mandatory-e-verify-laws.html

There are only 3 states where it is in the process of being required for all employers, but none of them have completely phased it in yet. This map shows the various levels that it has been implemented. As you can see, not many states have made it that big a deal yet. Unfortunately it would likely drive a lot of small companies out of business if it becomes required. Sure, maybe that is a good thing - but at the same time it will drive up costs of other goods and services at a time when we really don't need stealth cost increases.
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RestonLass Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > They still get reported. If they are wanted for
> > Felonies from other areas or already set for
> > deportation they are then processed out.
> >
> > The only other change would be if the Federal
> > government made a change. Nothing McDonnell
> will
> > do at this point will change that.
>
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "reported." If they
> admit they are illegal, they are entered into the
> database that can be accessed by other law
> enforcement offices. They are not reported to
> ICE, though ICE also has access to this database.
>
> If they are arrested with fake ID, not in the
> database, and deny they are illegal, what's to
> report? Even ICE doesn't have access to the
> IRS/SS database.
>
> ====
>
> The Federal Government HAS already made the
> change. It's called E-Verify - a Federal Database
> with 96% accuracy. When the name and SS# are
> entered, they are run against all 315M SS#s in
> IRS/SS. If there is no match, the person is
> denied employment – a huge deterrent to illegal
> aliens and contractors who pass them off as legal
> workers. When there is a mismatch, all the entered
> data is recorded in the database - to include the
> potential employee name and SSN, the name of the
> company or contractor, Business ID and location.
>
> E-Verify is a FREE Federal Government database.
> Software can be set up on any business or
> government agency computer. In Virginia, many
> business currently use it – some as small as 15
> people up to large businesses with 100,000 people
> (mostly employment agencies and businesses that
> hire contractors to work on Government projects).
>
>
> Currently it is voluntary and McDonnell wants it
> to remain that way. He knows to mandate it
> state-wide (as other states have done) would kill
> illegal hiring for businesses. Each time it's
> brought up, he finds new excuses to defend NOT
> implementing it.
>
> As the majority of criminal illegal aliens "feed
> on their own," ridding the Commonwealth of most of
> the "all other illegal aliens," would also reduce
> the number of criminals.
>
> This can only be done with E-Verify in both
> government agencies and all workplaces. Because
> it is an approved Federal program, it requires
> only the stroke of the pen by the Local
> councilpersons or the Governor at the state level
> to implement.
>
> McDonnell will NOT do this - it's one of the few
> campaign promise he made that I believe he will
> follow through on.


Welcome back Junnes! You should feel more comfortable with FFXU now..the radical right has taken over.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/04/2009 10:41PM by Vince(1).

Personally Im happy to see the republican party to embrace a policy that will further segregate them from the future power base of America. Did you see all those fat pinkish..pig pigmented people that were at their 2008 Convention? If you had turned on a sun lamp they'd all have had to run for shade.

Have you seen the bigot piggies crawling in the dirt?

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

You mean people who actually work for a living instead of trying to guilt others into financing their failed lifestyles? I know the whole "the world has been fucking us for years, so I'm owed something for nothing" crowd loves to play the role of the victim. The liberals play the illegal aliens are people too card because it ensures a steady supply of cheap, almost slave labor for their homes (mainly lawns). They may be people to them, the kind that is willing to work for pennies on the dollar and not complain about conditions, for fear of deportation.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Personally Im happy to see the republican party to
> embrace a policy that will further segregate them
> from the future power base of America. Did you
> see all those fat pinkish..pig pigmented people
> that were at their 2008 Convention? If you had
> turned on a sun lamp they'd all have had to run
> for shade.
>
> Have you seen the bigot piggies crawling in the
> dirt?

That's stupid.

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> http://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/enforcemen
> t/workplace-verification/map-states-with-mandatory
> -e-verify-laws.html
>
> There are only 3 states where it is in the process
> of being required for all employers, but none of
> them have completely phased it in yet. This map
> shows the various levels that it has been
> implemented. As you can see, not many states have
> made it that big a deal yet. Unfortunately it
> would likely drive a lot of small companies out of
> business if it becomes required. Sure, maybe that
> is a good thing - but at the same time it will
> drive up costs of other goods and services at a
> time when we really don't need stealth cost
> increases.
> .

Your information is outdated. AZ enacted E-Verify state-wide over a year ago, and it has proven most effective. Several other states passed legislation. E-Verify will only "drive out of business" those businesses that exercise illegal hiring practices. As this is a violation of federal law, I would presume you do not support this when you toss them into the mix of "victims."


http://www.i9advantage.com/extras/e-verify/

There IS an interest in protecting American jobs at the state level, but legislators are reluctant to take action when the White House and Congress see-saw on the issue and toss around threats of another amnesty.

When Congress passed the Stimulus package Bill last year, E-Verify was part of the package. Obama pulled it and set it on the shelf, pending further review. In March, when it was up for vote to be included as a requirement with all stimulus funded contracts, it was narrowly defeated 50-47.

Since then 8 Senators have "switched sides" and will vote FOR E-Verify during the next vote later this month. If passed, E-Verify will become a National Mandate for all Government Contracts.

Once E-Verify is mandated at the National Level, states should follow as they will be directly affected as Government contract managers.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/05/2009 06:51AM by RestonLass.

LOL @ this post. Oh christ...

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Personally Im happy to see the republican party to
> embrace a policy that will further segregate them
> from the future power base of America. Did you
> see all those fat pinkish..pig pigmented people
> that were at their 2008 Convention? If you had
> turned on a sun lamp they'd all have had to run
> for shade.
>
> Have you seen the bigot piggies crawling in the
> dirt?

i bet that if you illegaly cross into mexico and commit a misdemeanor you will be deoported usa is the only country who allows shit like this a police officer will drive past 75 ILLEGAL immigrants and write you a ticket for illegal window tint

No, it is more likely if you go into Mexico and commit a misemeanor you will be hating life. They will probably send you off to hard labor for a bit before letting you crawl back home. And if you commit a felony, forget it.

Gravis Wrote:
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> a clear directive and effective solution would be
> to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.
>
> just sayin'.

I couldn't agree more. ;o)

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Being vague is almost as fun as that other thing.

Melissa Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
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> > a clear directive and effective solution would
> be
> > to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.
> >
> > just sayin'.
>
> I couldn't agree more. ;o)




No one cares what a rug munching dyke thinks. STFU

Melissa Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a clear directive and effective solution would
> be
> > to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.
> >
> > just sayin'.
>
> I couldn't agree more. ;o)


well..McDonnell would also like to add all gay men and women to the list of shoot on sight.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Melissa Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Gravis Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > a clear directive and effective solution
> would
> > be
> > > to summarily execute illegal aliens on sight.
> > >
> > > just sayin'.
> >
> > I couldn't agree more. ;o)
>
>
> well..McDonnell would also like to add all gay men
> and women to the list of shoot on sight.


Vince, you need to lay off that cheap wine. It's too early in the day.

I find Melissa promoting the liberal gay agenda while pushing down every other liberal cause a little much to take....more then just al ittle hypocracy.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



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