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Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Tightey Rightey ()
Date: September 03, 2009 04:06PM

So Obama will spend time next week indoctrinating our youth.

Dept of Ed website has suggested activities for after the speech. Sample questions focus more on Obama and his speech than the wholeness of getting a good education.


From the guidelines:
• What resonated with you from President Obama’s speech?  What lines or phrases do
you remember? 
• Whom is President Obama addressing?  How do you know?  Describe his audience. 
• We heard President Obama mention the importance of personal responsibility.  In your 
life, who exemplifies this kind of responsibility?  How?  Give examples. 
• How are the individuals in this classroom similar? How is each student different? 
• Suppose President Obama were to give another speech about being educationally 
successful.  To whom would he speak? Why?  What would the president say? 
• What are the three most important words in the speech?  Rank them.   
• Is President Obama inspiring you to do anything?  Is he challenging you to do anything? 
• What do you believe are the challenges of your generation? 
• How can you be a part of addressing these challenges? 

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: September 03, 2009 04:09PM

Looks to me like average run-of-the-mill analysis questions.

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 03, 2009 04:55PM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 03, 2009 04:59PM

The President is not elected for us to "help" him.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: § ()
Date: September 03, 2009 05:09PM

This is much ado about nothing. If anything, it just stimulates discussion from the students' point-of-view and nothing else. It's a stretch to call this politicization of any sort. The quote below best sums it up.

"I can't think of anything less partisan than this," said Mo Elleithee, a Democratic strategist. "It's admirable that President Obama would challenge our schoolchildren to do their best, and it's the kind of message that most level-headed Americans can easily get behind."

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 03, 2009 05:13PM

I remember having to write letters to Ronald Reagan when I was a kid. I think back then they called it terms like "patriotic", "civics", etc.

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 03, 2009 06:48PM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 03, 2009 07:38PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with this. Teaching students about their responsility to be an educated/informed citizen is an important lesson. I assume students will be free to discuss their support or disapproval of whatever the President has to say.

You Obama haters are now a little over the top.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 03, 2009 07:41PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> There is absolutely nothing wrong with this.
> Teaching students about their responsility to be
> an educated/informed citizen is an important
> lesson. I assume students will be free to discuss
> their support or disapproval of whatever the
> President has to say.
>
> You Obama haters are now a little over the top.


+1

As far as I'm concerned, they should be doing stuff like this no matter who the president is.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 03, 2009 07:46PM

Much like saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, right?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 03, 2009 08:02PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Much like saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, right?


I don't really understand the question, but yes. I think it's fine for young school kids to pledge the flag in class (or have the option not to, like the Jehovah Witness kids I went to school with).

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 03, 2009 09:03PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Much like saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the
> flag, right?


Are you saying I do not approve of saying the pledge of allegiance? I do not approve the moment of silence fairfax students are required to participate it...but this sint that.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fair ()
Date: September 03, 2009 09:14PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > Much like saying the Pledge of Allegiance to
> the
> > flag, right?
>
>
> Are you saying I do not approve of saying the
> pledge of allegiance? I do not approve the moment
> of silence fairfax students are required to
> participate it...but this sint that.


Vince, It's people like you that try to dictate everything that others do in an effort to control all aspects of education. Now Obama is trying to indoctrinate so let's ban that too.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:17AM

School speech backlash builds
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0909/26744.html

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:25AM

Fortunately, expressing outrage at EVERYTHING Obama does is building a very large ambivalence towards all this outrage for the moderates and not-so-politically-worked up.

Eventually, it will lead to people reflexively siding with whatever the alarmists are outraged against at the moment.



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:28AM

Well, again - they could have defused this issue if they made it clear what they were going to actually discuss. But the first most folks hear of it is the questions they are going to ask the kids, without any context as to the message.

His team seems to have a communication problem. They like everyone else to tell them what is going on, but they have a problem in telling everyone else what they want, or what they are doing. Things like flag@whitehouse.gov and such - just a bunch of idiotic things to do. Maybe folks won't get as outraged over some of these kinds of things (moderates that is) but the impression is still building strongly to the negative. That, and the Afghanistan situation - that is just going to keep getting uglier - there are no good ways for him to deal with that.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:50AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Well, again - they could have defused this issue
> if they made it clear what they were going to
> actually discuss. But the first most folks hear of
> it is the questions they are going to ask the
> kids, without any context as to the message.
>

That's putting the cart in front of the horse, though.

So you're saying that Obama and his team should carefully couch their words because they know there are very partisan and angry groups just itching to make an issue out of every action he takes or word he utters? That they are responsible when one of the legions of right-wing alarmists finds a way to twist something around to make it sound fascist and scary?


> His team seems to have a communication problem.
> They like everyone else to tell them what is going
> on, but they have a problem in telling everyone
> else what they want, or what they are doing.
> Things like flag@whitehouse.gov and such - just a
> bunch of idiotic things to do. Maybe folks won't
> get as outraged over some of these kinds of things
> (moderates that is) but the impression is still
> building strongly to the negative. That, and the
> Afghanistan situation - that is just going to keep
> getting uglier - there are no good ways for him to
> deal with that.

The impression is not building strongly to the negative. The people that are going to view him negatively already do, it's just a matter of how rabid they'll become.

As far as Afghanistan, what should he have done? Should he have pulled all troops out on January 21st? The situation was shit before he took office, before he was even elected, before he even announced he was running.

It may be worse now, but not by his policy. Well, I guess, in a way, it is since he sent more troops there, forcing the taliban and al qaeda forces to redouble their efforts. I still say balkanize that place -- just split it up into little tribal territories. Once each tribal council is in sovereign control of their tribal region, they are not going to support or aid the taliban or al qaeda. The ones that do so now only do so because they resent foreign troops and the, in their eyes, foreign imposed central government.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 01:07AM

Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> So you're saying that Obama and his team should
> carefully couch their words because they know
> there are very partisan and angry groups just
> itching to make an issue out of every action he
> takes or word he utters?

Yes, if they are so good at being politicians, absolutely. What is happening here is, they are saying (or not) and doing things without prefacing what their goals are. This thing with the kids is just another example. How many times will they have to come out and explain that "oops, that isn't really what we meant", "Maybe we should have 'calibrated' our comments better", etc? Look at this idiocy with the Axlerod emails - first it wasn't them, then it was them. And in the meantime they give people crap over calling them out on it, only to later find out they were lying (or misrepresenting the situation in such a way that it looked like a lie). The Gates issue, where he (Obama) goes out and characterizes a situation that had no relation to what really happened - he communicated there all right, and badly. This health care issue is just as bad - he lets Pelosi and Reid try to develop the legislation, and they just go for another package of "behind doors" pre-packaging, then they throw it out and try to ram it through without discussion. At this point, YES - they should carefully think about EVERYTHING they say or do.

Afghanistan is just a mess, and maybe at this point George Will might be right as a short term strategy. Get our guys out of the line of fire for a bit until we can work on getting more of the warlords on our side.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 01:16AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes, if they are so good at being politicians,
> absolutely. What is happening here is, they are
> saying (or not) and doing things without prefacing
> what their goals are. This thing with the kids is
> just another example. How many times will they
> have to come out and explain that "oops, that
> isn't really what we meant", "Maybe we should have
> 'calibrated' our comments better", etc? Look at
> this idiocy with the Axlerod emails - first it
> wasn't them, then it was them. And in the meantime
> they give people crap over calling them out on it,
> only to later find out they were lying (or
> misrepresenting the situation in such a way that
> it looked like a lie). The Gates issue, where he
> (Obama) goes out and characterizes a situation
> that had no relation to what really happened - he
> communicated there all right, and badly. This
> health care issue is just as bad - he lets Pelosi
> and Reid try to develop the legislation, and they
> just go for another package of "behind doors"
> pre-packaging, then they throw it out and try to
> ram it through without discussion. At this point,
> YES - they should carefully think about EVERYTHING
> they say or do.

Maybe they actually are being very careful, but are intentionally making the people on the right appear to be jumping all over everything he does.

Like I said, eventually, the din of all this outrage becomes background noise to most people.

It might serve him in the long run to ensure that there's always outrage at everything he does. At some point, and for me, it was about a month ago, people will just say "oh, that's just the angry old men and rednecks getting angry about that black man. Silly stuff."


>
> Afghanistan is just a mess, and maybe at this
> point George Will might be right as a short term
> strategy. Get our guys out of the line of fire for
> a bit until we can work on getting more of the
> warlords on our side.


We can probably never get the warlords on "our" side, but one sure fire way to get them against the taliban and al qaeda is to let each tribe rule their area without a central government interfering. We should give up the idea of "Afghanistan", just as the idea of "Yugoslavia" was abandoned. Let the different groups rule themselves, and they will either be too busy with little minor tit-for-tat gun fights with whatever other tribes that have feudal grudges against, or they will just be happy to have their sovereignty and will proceed to live peacefully and productively. Or, really, who gives a fuck, as long as we can then go after al qaeda and not even have to worry about the taliban anymore.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 04, 2009 02:01AM


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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 02:22AM

Great video!

RFK, May 1988 was a much better show. Even though it was in the middle of my senior year exam week.

They even had the pig come down from the top of the stadium and drop down over the crowd during several species/one of these days.

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 04, 2009 02:32AM

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 04, 2009 02:36AM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 03:39AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Just keep the pig away from the kids.


Why? What did he do?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 04, 2009 04:08AM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 04:12AM

He didn't sell them drugs. He didn't try to fondle them.

He just said that one of these days he was going to cut them into little pieces.



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Date: September 04, 2009 06:28AM

Since when is it indoctrination for the President to address kids about education? I remember when Nancy Reagan had her big "Just Say No" campaign and the Reagan Administration did this kind of outreach all of the time.

Seriously, GOP, what the fuck is wrong with you?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: September 04, 2009 06:50AM

The name of the song is "Another Brick in The Wall, Part II", not "We Don't Need No Education".



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 07:29AM

If Obama did not try to poke his finger every pot, and have such a passionate love affair with the teleprompters and cameras, I might say this is a good thing.

The man is trying to push his agenda to the kids because it's not popular with the parents. He is conveniently using education as the "push stick" to promote his health care plan and other unpopular projects, not motivate children's educational achievement. Writing goals letters are already a part of the education curriculum in most schools and implemented in the classrooms through the year.

Wobbly O is like an ADHD kid off his meds. He starts a project and before he even has a chance to see it through, he's off on another.

This "hey, we won and can do whatever we want" attitude is getting quite tiresome.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Date: September 04, 2009 08:58AM

RestonLass Wrote:
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> If Obama did not try to poke his finger every pot,
> and have such a passionate love affair with the
> teleprompters and cameras, I might say this is a
> good thing.
>
> The man is trying to push his agenda to the kids
> because it's not popular with the parents. He is
> conveniently using education as the "push stick"
> to promote his health care plan and other
> unpopular projects, not motivate children's
> educational achievement. Writing goals letters
> are already a part of the education curriculum in
> most schools and implemented in the classrooms
> through the year.
>
> Wobbly O is like an ADHD kid off his meds. He
> starts a project and before he even has a chance
> to see it through, he's off on another.
>
> This "hey, we won and can do whatever we want"
> attitude is getting quite tiresome.


The GOP is off the rails. Even Republicans like Joe Scarborough says so. You are turning your party into a fringe group.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:01AM

RestonLass Wrote:
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> If Obama did not try to poke his finger every pot,
> and have such a passionate love affair with the
> teleprompters and cameras, I might say this is a
> good thing.
>
> The man is trying to push his agenda to the kids
> because it's not popular with the parents. He is
> conveniently using education as the "push stick"
> to promote his health care plan and other
> unpopular projects, not motivate children's
> educational achievement. Writing goals letters
> are already a part of the education curriculum in
> most schools and implemented in the classrooms
> through the year.
>
> Wobbly O is like an ADHD kid off his meds. He
> starts a project and before he even has a chance
> to see it through, he's off on another.
>
> This "hey, we won and can do whatever we want"
> attitude is getting quite tiresome.


The health plan is very popular along with the public option...we are just tired of hearing from the loud mouths who think they speak for most..but dont.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:09AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The health plan is very popular along with the
> public option...we are just tired of hearing from
> the loud mouths who think they speak for most..but
> dont.

And you read this where?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:20AM

http://www.examiner.com/x-5738-Political-Buzz-Examiner~y2009m9d4-Video-Outrage-over-Obama-school-speech-was-missing-during-Bush-and-Reagan-school-addresses


In my deep memories of elementary school and junior high I had remembered listening to Presidents Reagan and Papa Bush speak to all of us on television. I had recently doubted those faint memories as I told myself that surely those two Presidents must not have spoken to school children. After all if they had attempted to speak to school children their conservative base must have decried the "indoctrination" of school children and threatened to pull their kids out of school in response. It turns out I was wrong on both fronts. Presidents Reagan and George H. W. Bush did in fact speak to school children in national addresses, and conservatives at the time did not react the same way they are reacting to the Obama school address.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Dr. Conrad Murray ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:22AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> RestonLass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If Obama did not try to poke his finger every
> pot,
> > and have such a passionate love affair with the
> > teleprompters and cameras, I might say this is
> a
> > good thing.
> >
> > The man is trying to push his agenda to the
> kids
> > because it's not popular with the parents. He
> is
> > conveniently using education as the "push
> stick"
> > to promote his health care plan and other
> > unpopular projects, not motivate children's
> > educational achievement. Writing goals letters
> > are already a part of the education curriculum
> in
> > most schools and implemented in the classrooms
> > through the year.
> >
> > Wobbly O is like an ADHD kid off his meds. He
> > starts a project and before he even has a
> chance
> > to see it through, he's off on another.
> >
> > This "hey, we won and can do whatever we want"
> > attitude is getting quite tiresome.
>
>
> The health plan is very popular along with the
> public option...we are just tired of hearing from
> the loud mouths who think they speak for most..but
> dont.

What have you been sniffing?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:27AM

No one really knows, we just humor him!



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: niiiiice one ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:41AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Since when is it indoctrination for the President
> to address kids about education? I remember when
> Nancy Reagan had her big "Just Say No" campaign
> and the Reagan Administration did this kind of
> outreach all of the time.
>
> Seriously, GOP, what the fuck is wrong with you?

LOL +1

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:45AM

Conservative media take note: Reagan preached tax cut gospel to America’s students
September 03, 2009 1:09 pm ET by Matt Gertz

Putting aside possible ulterior motives, the conservative freak-out over President Obama’s planned speech to students urging them to stay in school and work hard is due to fears that Obama will use his platform as an opportunity to push his agenda on unsuspecting students. Ironically, that’s exactly what President Reagan did two decades ago.

On November 14, 1988, Reagan addressed and took questions from students from four area middle schools in the Old Executive Office Building. According to press secretary Marlin Fitzwater, the speech was broadcast live and rebroadcast by C-Span, and Instructional Television Network fed the program “t o schools nationwide on three different days.” Much of Reagan’s speech that day covered the American “vision of self-government” and the need “to keep faith with the unfinished vision of the greatness and wonder of America” but in the middle of the speech, the president went off on a tangent about the importance of low taxes:

Today, to a degree never before seen in human history, one nation, the United States, has become the model to be followed and imitated by the rest of the world. But America's world leadership goes well beyond the tide toward democracy. We also find that more countries than ever before are following America's revolutionary economic message of free enterprise, low taxes, and open world trade. These days, whenever I see foreign leaders, they tell me about their plans for reducing taxes, and other economic reforms that they are using, copying what we have done here in our country.


I wonder if they realize that this vision of economic freedom, the freedom to work, to create and produce, to own and use property without the interference of the state, was central to the American Revolution, when the American colonists rebelled against a whole web of economic restrictions, taxes and barriers to free trade. The message at the Boston Tea Party -- have you studied yet in history about the Boston Tea Party, where because of a tax they went down and dumped the tea in the Harbor. Well, that was America's original tax revolt, and it was the fruits of our labor -- it belonged to us and not to the state. And that truth is fundamental to both liberty and prosperity.


http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 09:53AM

It's not only the GOP that opposes this. It's PARENTS from BOTH parties - but more importantly, PARENTS first, Democrat or Republican second! Some parents don't feel Obama is sincere with his motive, and some of those parents are Democrats.

Obama has proven he is just another player politician who campaigned on empty promises and once elected moved into the empty suit. Even people in his own party feel he is floundering and no longer the man they voted for.

When the trust factor is plummeting, it is not at all unreasonable that parents want to know what the man is going to say to their kids before they and the teachers are able to view it.

Obama is NOT Reagan or Pappa Bush!!!!!

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:04AM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:13AM

In all seriousness (haha) he (they) didn't tell anyone exactly WHAT they were going to discuss. Even now, the agenda that has been published is very vague - which tells you they probably had some other program planned, but now that it has taken front and center on the radar they had to regroup.

Could there have been an over-reaction? Sure. But Obama has been manufacturing (yes) one crisis after another with his actions and statements. I don't know that he is making conservatives in general look like some kind of "fringe" group - Joe S has been talking about the fact that Republicans need to have more centrists (I listen to him almost every day - although I don't always agree with him) if they want to succeed moving forward. While his message has merit, the democrats have boxed themselves into the current moment of hoping the economy makes a giant rebound come 2010. Even if the stock market is up - if no one has jobs, or wages stay frozen - it won't help the Democrats at all, centrist Republicans or not.

People are getting tired of all the crisis issues coming up. At some point he is going to wear his welcome carpet out.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:19AM

Reggie, muh man.....LOL

You're absolutely right. There ARE no crises!
The economy is just fine and dandy.
Health care hasn't been a "crisis" for decades--it's just perfect. You know what they say about statistics.
Illegitimate wars are never a crisis--they're merely numbers too. Pfffft at "body counts".

Now blather on again about Gates, et al. Or Presidential speeches to the youth of America. (Kennedy, Reagan, Shrub did no such thing, right?)

LOL....just LOL....

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I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:20AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> People are getting tired of all the crisis issues
> coming up. At some point he is going to wear his
> welcome carpet out.

GETTING tired? GOING to wear his welcome carpet out?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:29AM

Give me a fucking break. Do you mean to tell me that if shrub had said he wanted to give a speech to schoolchildren the wingnuts would have said, 'Well now wait a minute--what do you want to say exactly?' Hell no. And on top of that you would have called anybody anti-American who had questioned it. You all are just so over the top with the hatred and paranoia you can't even see the hypochrisy.


Registered Voter Wrote:
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> In all seriousness (haha) he (they) didn't tell
> anyone exactly WHAT they were going to discuss.
> Even now, the agenda that has been published is
> very vague - which tells you they probably had
> some other program planned, but now that it has
> taken front and center on the radar they had to
> regroup.
>

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:39AM

Voter Wrote:
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> Give me a fucking break. Do you mean to tell me
> that if shrub had said he wanted to give a speech
> to schoolchildren the wingnuts would have said,
> 'Well now wait a minute--what do you want to say
> exactly?' Hell no. And on top of that you would
> have called anybody anti-American who had
> questioned it. You all are just so over the top
> with the hatred and paranoia you can't even see
> the hypochrisy.
>

Voter, lets put this in perspective. While I am a conservative - I am not a supra-religious conservative in any way shape or form. My reaction is a pretty moderate reaction if you would look at what I am saying.

Yeah, and as I pointed out in the other thread, Reagan and Bush (the elder) didn't ask for folks to Pledge to HIS Service. That is pretty over the top. So without them publishing an agenda to what they would be speaking about - think about how the folks that REALLY hate Obama would take something like this.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:43AM

Reggie, it sure was tough to find that agenda that so eludes you.

From the Dept of Ed website:

During this special address, the president will speak directly to the nation’s children and youth about persisting and succeeding in school. The president will challenge students to work hard, set educational goals, and take responsibility for their learning.

The U.S. Department of Education invites students of all ages, teachers, and administrators to participate in this historic moment by watching the president deliver the address, which will be broadcast live on the White House Web site (http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/) and on C-SPAN at 12:00 p.m., ET. We also encourage educators to use this moment to help students get focused and inspired to begin the new academic year.

OMG, how subversive! Such a Communist plot! Egads, make sure the kids stay home that day!

I will NOT allow MY children to SET GOALS for their SCHOOL YEAR! Over MY DEAD BODY!

Jesus fucking Christ....you people!

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:46AM

RestonLass Wrote:
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> GETTING tired? GOING to wear his welcome carpet
> out?

Yes, I know.

Speaking from a moderate (more so) perspective, there are folks I work with that voted for Obama that are really sick with worry right now. Not that folks here will believe that I am sure. But they voted for the "change" part of the message that made it sound like he was going to run an open government, and the part that the democrats worked really well, that McCain = Bush.

Many of these folks were tired of the direction Bush was going, but they didn't realize or understand that voting for Obama was going to take them to the equivalent of the South Pole. Look at the Congressional approval ratings - they are WAY down still - and that isn't because the Democrats can't pass their agenda. If that was true, then you could say the same thing before when the Republicans had control and the ratings were low.

The politicians have no passed the point of "baby steps" in attempting to push an agenda. And these new attempts to do wholesale "ram it down your throat" kind of changes are going to cause a backlash for both ends of the political spectrum.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:48AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Reggie, it sure was tough to find that agenda that
> so eludes you.
>
> From the Dept of Ed website:
>
> During this special address, the president will
> speak directly to the nation’s children and youth
> about persisting and succeeding in school. The
> president will challenge students to work hard,
> set educational goals, and take responsibility for
> their learning.
>
> The U.S. Department of Education invites students
> of all ages, teachers, and administrators to
> participate in this historic moment by watching
> the president deliver the address, which will be
> broadcast live on the White House Web site
> (http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/) and on C-SPAN at
> 12:00 p.m., ET. We also encourage educators to use
> this moment to help students get focused and
> inspired to begin the new academic year.
>
> OMG, how subversive! Such a Communist plot!
> Egads, make sure the kids stay home that day!
>
> I will NOT allow MY children to SET GOALS for
> their SCHOOL YEAR! Over MY DEAD BODY!
>
> Jesus fucking Christ....you people!

They published the agenda AFTER folks found out about what was going on. If they had published an agenda BEFORE then it wouldn't be an issue. Hey, great, they have published the agenda now. It wasn't out before - that is why folks got upset.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:51AM

LOL...and yet, as of 30 seconds ago, it was a BURNING issue for you.

Again, I must rejoinder, Reggie.....Jesus fucking christ, dude.

Take another slurp of Hatorade and stay off the keyboard for 15 minutes, as penance.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:53AM

I can believe that there are folks that are sick with worry because the right wing lunatics have been trying to scare the shit out of everybody since day one with every lie, distortion, and exaggeration they can think of. And Bush put our economy on the brink of complete disaster so people are understandly a bit nervous about how we are going to dig out from the mess he left.


Registered Voter Wrote:
> Speaking from a moderate (more so) perspective,
> there are folks I work with that voted for Obama
> that are really sick with worry right now. Not
> that folks here will believe that I am sure. But
> they voted for the "change" part of the message
> that made it sound like he was going to run an
> open government, and the part that the democrats
> worked really well, that McCain = Bush.
>
> Many of these folks were tired of the direction
> Bush was going, but they didn't realize or
> understand that voting for Obama was going to take
> them to the equivalent of the South Pole. Look at
> the Congressional approval ratings - they are WAY
> down still - and that isn't because the Democrats
> can't pass their agenda. If that was true, then
> you could say the same thing before when the
> Republicans had control and the ratings were low.
>
> The politicians have no passed the point of "baby
> steps" in attempting to push an agenda. And these
> new attempts to do wholesale "ram it down your
> throat" kind of changes are going to cause a
> backlash for both ends of the political spectrum.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:54AM

What are you talking about? You are off the tracks today FF. Too much caffeine or something? I have been pretty consistent in my point.

The only thing burning here today is your ass from all the shit you are spewing.
.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University
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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:55AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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> Jesus fucking Christ....you people!

Please, there is no reason to introduce racist remarks into this argument... it is dumb enough without them.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:56AM

Voter Wrote:
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> I can believe that there are folks that are sick
> with worry because the right wing lunatics have
> been trying to scare the shit out of everybody
> since day one with every lie, distortion, and
> exaggeration they can think of. And Bush put our
> economy on the brink of complete disaster so
> people are understandly a bit nervous about how we
> are going to dig out from the mess he left.
>

Right - keep on drinking the talking points koolaid.
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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:57AM

fairfaxdude Wrote:
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>
> The U.S. Department of Education invites students
> of all ages, teachers, and administrators to
> participate in this historic moment by watching
> the president deliver the address, which will be
> broadcast live on the White House Web site
> (http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/) and on C-SPAN at
> 12:00 p.m., ET. We also encourage educators to use
> this moment to help students get focused and
> inspired to begin the new academic year.


So, there's no reason why parents (and teachers) can't tape it and discuss it with the kids AFTER the fact.

That's all most parents are asking for.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:29AM

RestonLass Wrote:

> So, there's no reason why parents (and teachers)
> can't tape it and discuss it with the kids AFTER
> the fact.
>
> That's all most parents are asking for.


Oh? That's ALL? So, in other words, the "indoctrination element" of the event has to do with TIME? As in, at 12 noon, little Johnny's hunger intercedes, and he's more likely at that time of day to want to become a NAZI (communist, socialist, child porn fan--insert your favorite ism)?

Good lord. If you're gonna hate, at LEAST be fucking consistent!

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:34AM

Now tell me the root cause of this "Outrage" isnt pure unadulterated racism.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Johnny Walker ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:35AM

RestonLass Wrote:
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> It's not only the GOP that opposes this. It's
> PARENTS from BOTH parties - but more importantly,
> PARENTS first, Democrat or Republican second!
> Some parents don't feel Obama is sincere with his
> motive, and some of those parents are Democrats.


Riiiiiight.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:50AM

Johnny Walker Wrote:
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> RestonLass Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It's not only the GOP that opposes this. It's
> > PARENTS from BOTH parties - but more
> importantly,
> > PARENTS first, Democrat or Republican second!
> > Some parents don't feel Obama is sincere with
> his
> > motive, and some of those parents are
> Democrats.
>
>
> Riiiiiight.


RestonLass..shove that kind of shit back up your ass! As if there isnt a certain number of persons who arent against every gD issue on the face of thos earth! After all...they are OUTTTTRAGGAGEDDDEDDE!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:23PM

Calm down Vince, you're going to pull something!

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 12:24PM

Wow. Hey Vince, might want to chill.

The Stay-in-school message
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2009_09/019751.php

The political spin machines are out in force. What, you mean this "innocuous" statement:

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...
"Write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
...

To this:

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...
"Write letters to themselves about how they can achieve their short-term and long-term education goals. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."
...

That was SOME typo. Lol.

But yeah, no one should worry about that, given the messages of folks "pledging" themselves to Obama. Or the new movement of green activism cloaked by the "religion" of man made Global Warming.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:34PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> The GOP is off the rails. Even Republicans like
> Joe Scarborough says so. You are turning your
> party into a fringe group.

The problem is, all these people who tune into all the "conservative" talk shows on radio and cable are so wrapped up with the vitriol and hatred that any republican who tries to reel them back in from the fringe is regarded as a "traitor" or even worse, "a liberal".


http://www.newsweek.com/id/214253

Requiem for the Right
The biographer of Whittaker Chambers and William Buckley on a dying movement.

By Jon Meacham | NEWSWEEK
Published Aug 29, 2009
From the magazine issue dated Sep 7, 2009


Today, conservatives seem in a position closer to the one they occupied during the New Deal. The epithets so many on the right now hurl at Obama—"socialist," "fascist"—precisely echo the accusations Herbert Hoover and "Old Right" made against FDR in 1936. And the spectacle of citizens appearing at town-hall meetings with guns recalls nothing so much as the vigilante Minutemen whom Buckley evicted from the conservative movement in the 1960s. A serious conservative like David Frum knows this, and has spoken up. It is remarkable how few others have. The moon party is being yanked ever farther onto its marginal orbit.

...

The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.






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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 04, 2009 10:48PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> a. Or the new movement of green activism
> cloaked by the "religion" of man made Global
> Warming.

Science..not religion...over 90% of the scientist polled agreed global warming is real..and man is a contributor. Though it is no surprise that a republikan cannot tell the difference between religion and science.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:03PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a. Or the new movement of green activism
> > cloaked by the "religion" of man made Global
> > Warming.
>
> Science..not religion...over 90% of the scientist
> polled agreed global warming is real..and man is a
> contributor. Though it is no surprise that a
> republikan cannot tell the difference between
> religion and science.

It's equally obvious that a delusional self proclaimed atheist has no clue what a religion is, how it forms, or why the politics of global warming has become one.

EDIT: And the sad part.. the folks here that fight this righteous crusade against corporations are willing to be completely blind to the "new" corporate interests that are about to institute the biggest wealth sucking exercise ever seen.



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:15PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> EDIT: And the sad part.. the folks here that fight
> this righteous crusade against corporations are
> willing to be completely blind to the "new"
> corporate interests that are about to institute
> the biggest wealth sucking exercise ever seen.


Hey, I hope you didn't include me in that. I am against corporate control of governments, but I love their products!

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 04, 2009 11:58PM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 05, 2009 12:15AM

Obama, the Mortal
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/03/AR2009090302859_pf.html

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After a disastrous summer -- mistaking his mandate, believing his press, centralizing power, governing left, disdaining citizens for (of all things) organizing -- Obama is in trouble.

Let's be clear: This is a fall, not a collapse. He's not been repudiated or even defeated. He will likely regroup and pass some version of health insurance reform that will restore some of his clout and popularity.

But what has occurred -- irreversibly -- is this: He's become ordinary. The spell is broken. The charismatic conjurer of 2008 has shed his magic. He's regressed to the mean, tellingly expressed in poll numbers hovering at 50 percent.

For a man who only recently bred a cult, ordinariness is a great burden, and for his acolytes, a crushing disappointment. Obama has become a politician like others. And like other flailing presidents, he will try to salvage a cherished reform -- and his own standing -- with yet another prime-time speech.

But for the first time since election night in Grant Park, he will appear in the most unfamiliar of guises -- mere mortal, a treacherous transformation to which a man of Obama's supreme self-regard may never adapt.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 05, 2009 04:19AM

You do realize that you spend an awful lot of time browsing sites that support your beliefs, or actually reinforces them, don't you?

Tonight, you and Alias both appeared to be basic synopses of the ultra-right wing branch of the right wing of the Republican party.

Alias even did a breakdown on one thread.

You aren't citing news, you are citing editorial opinions and using them to support an ideology that I'm sure you wouldn't agree with if you were to get your information from a wide variety of sources (and by "wide variety", I don't mean more than one of the same).

RV, you aren't as bad, but just look two posts up, at Alias's last post.

ACORN, SEIU, marxist, hot-button keyword, blah blah blah.

If I were to write a synopsis of the last few days' "reporting" on AM radio and right wing cable news programs, I think I would end up mirroring Alias's last comment. The pundits say it, then other pundits scream it, and then you read it on the internet as posts by people who have bought into it.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 05, 2009 06:05AM

My beliefs as to SEUI's role in this is based on things they have done in recent years - and I only found out about them BECAUSE they decided to get involved now. When I looked back at old articles, I found that they represent the largest Unions that are involved in health care. Union + Government sourcing = lots of overpaid federal workers. If you have worked in DC you will understand this. So I already know what their angle is. I don't talk much about ACORN, but they have their niche in this as well.

But you, quoting folks that are criticizing conservatives doesn't make a bit of difference here. The guy you are quoting was a biographer of conservatives. He has no bias either way supposedly, but I don't believe he is an authority on what conservatives of any type should be doing right now.

You know TM, there is a point where the outrage is genuine. This is truly one of those times - primarily due to the massive amounts of debt the Democrats are piling on top of what occurred because of the situation when Bush left, and a lot more piled on by their own choice. They then wanted to push through cap and trade, and even a benign analysis of that legislation forced the democrats to produce a measure that pushed out the years when the penalties would become more severe - AFTER the next election cycles for President. No... this time I think the Dems are pushing the envelope, and they are about to get bit. Sure, there are some more religious conservatives that are sounding alarm when small issues crop up... but those are going to get lost in the background, regardless how much the media talks on the issues or not.

There are so many moderates that are up in arms right now that voted for Obama - and you can lay the blame at his feet, and squarely at the feet of Pelosi and Reid. You notice how Vince has been even more wound up lately? It is because he senses that some of you are on his side now. I mean come on - "pink piggies"? Wow, it is really hard to do a racial comparison when you had the first black Presidential candidate running against an old fart like McCain. Yeah, is it any wonder there were few black people in McCain's audience. But you can't get that past Vince - he is convinced it is a pure sign of how racist conservatives are. The problem is, the racism is all sitting on his side atm and no one over there seems to understand that.

This guy is even more over the top then usual:

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Personally Im happy to see the republican party to
> embrace a policy that will further segregate them
> from the future power base of America. Did you
> see all those fat pinkish..pig pigmented people
> that were at their 2008 Convention? If you had
> turned on a sun lamp they'd all have had to run
> for shade.
>
> Have you seen the bigot piggies crawling in the
> dirt?

So yeah TM, if this is the guy you want to stand up for, go for it.



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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Dana Peterson ()
Date: September 05, 2009 06:20AM

Check out this poster spotted in Paris.
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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Fruppie ()
Date: September 05, 2009 06:21AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Now tell me the root cause of this "Outrage" isnt
> pure unadulterated racism.

That's stupid.

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Posted by: Fruppie ()
Date: September 05, 2009 06:22AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > a. Or the new movement of green activism
> > cloaked by the "religion" of man made Global
> > Warming.
>
> Science..not religion...over 90% of the scientist
> polled agreed global warming is real..and man is a
> contributor. Though it is no surprise that a
> republikan cannot tell the difference between
> religion and science.

That's stupid.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: September 05, 2009 06:22AM

Thurston Moore Wrote:
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> You do realize that you spend an awful lot of time
> browsing sites that support your beliefs, or
> actually reinforces them, don't you?
>

The Washington Post is hardly a bastion of conservative philosophy. And if you noticed my article about the school message, it was not from a conservative viewpoint either. But it was definitely making light of the "minor" change in the wording they had to make. From one where it sounded like being a servant to the "leader", to instead being a completely innocent conversation on education.

Conservatives didn't write the stupid statement the Obama folks put out, they didn't change the wording, nor did they write the article. I merely pointed out that the wording change was much more significant in meaning then they wanted to admit. Now this issue is being used to point out that somehow conservatives are making much ado about nothing - yet when Bush Sr addressed the kids, there was a similar protest from the democrats back then.

http://www.tonysrants.com/national/perspective-dems-slammed-george-h-w-bush-for-address-to-schools/
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House Democrats criticized President Bush yesterday for using Education Department funds to produce and broadcast a speech that he made Tuesday at a Northwest Washington junior high school.

The Democratic critics accused Bush of turning government money for education to his own political use, namely, an ongoing effort to inoculate himself against their charges of inattention to domestic issues. The speech at Alice Deal Junior High School, broadcast live on radio and television, urged students to study hard, avoid drugs and turn in troublemakers.

“The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students,” House Majority Leader Richard A. Gephardt (D-Mo.) said. “And the president should be doing more about education than saying, ‘Lights, camera, action.’ ”

Two House committees demanded that the department explain the use of its funds for the speech, an explanation that Deputy Secretary David T. Kearns provided late in the day in a letter to Rep. William D. Ford (D-Mich.), chairman of the House Education and Labor Committee. Education Secretary Lamar Alexander was out of town.

Rep. Patricia Schroeder (D-Colo.), chairwoman of the Select Committee on Children, Youth and Families, said it was outrageous for the White House to “start using precious dollars for campaigns” when “we are struggling for every silly dime we can get” for education programs.

Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.) said that if Bush feels obliged to use government funds to hire outside consultants “to make him look good,” then he should fire some of the public relations experts on the White House payroll. “Then the president might be more sympathetic to unemployment benefits,” Frost said,
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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 06, 2009 01:58AM

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 06, 2009 03:24AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Thurston Moore wrote:
> "Tonight, you and Alias both appeared to be basic
> synopses of the ultra-right wing branch of the
> right wing of the Republican party. RV, you aren't
> as bad, but just look two posts up, at Alias's
> last post. "
> ______________
>
> Thurston, RV is just as bad as me. Why, I
> remember when him and me used to get juiced up on
> moonshine and go lookin for black people.
>
> But, Thurston, I remember you standing by and
> doing nothing.
>
> You freaking' wimp.


But that was back when we all enjoyed hunting coons.

I grew away from that sort of thing.

Why didn't you? The times changed!

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: September 06, 2009 07:24AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Much like saying the Pledge of Allegiance to the
> flag, right?


As long as "under God" is reemoved. Or, we can compromise and say "under Gods"

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Date: September 06, 2009 10:09AM

As for indoctrination in schools, how many of the Founding Fathers would have been up for "pledging allegiance to the flag?" Probably not many. As believers in the "social contract," they would probably expect the flag to pledge allegiance to the people, which gave the flag its authority, not the other way around.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Libertarian1 ()
Date: September 06, 2009 08:58PM

Sounds like a great idea for the President to address the nation about education. He should do this after dinnertime so families can watch together and parents can seize this "teachable moment." No reason Mr. Obama needs to do this without Mom and Dad in the room right?

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: September 06, 2009 11:41PM

Eh, I don't see what the big deal is. I'm not a fan of Obama, but if he's going to tell the kids to work hard in school and talk about the importance of education, I don't see it as a bad thing. I don't think he's going to be broadcasting socialist brainwashing waves through the tv.

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Posted by: Alias ()
Date: September 07, 2009 12:17AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2012 12:50PM by Alias.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: September 07, 2009 12:26AM

Czar alias, +1

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: eesh ()
Date: September 07, 2009 12:33AM

bloody blisters Wrote:
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> Czar alias, +1


More like Queen Alias.






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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: September 07, 2009 12:35AM

no, not more like. more like you make me a drink

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: September 07, 2009 01:51AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Melissa,
>
> The part that bothered me was Obama asking kids
> how they could help him.
>
> Obama has now removed that section of the lesson
> plan sent to teachers.
>
> Actually, the whole lesson plan bothers me.


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The function of conservatives is not to meet every liberal program or scheme with a denunciation or a destructive counterscheme, but rather to weigh its advantages and defects, supporting the first and challenging the second. A declaration of ideological warfare against liberalism is by its nature profoundly unconservative. It meets perceived radicalism with a counterradicalism of its own.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: September 07, 2009 01:57AM

Cool song, Thirsty... I appreciate the parody and the relevance...

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: frippens ()
Date: September 07, 2009 05:13AM

Alias is stupid and he's a faggot.


bloody blisters Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------
> Czar alias, +1

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 07, 2009 06:27AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Melissa, The part that bothered me was Obama asking kids how they could
> help him. Obama has now removed that section of the lesson plan sent to
> teachers.

If this were not the norm for Obama, people might not be so skeptical of his agenda.

He has established a pattern of using the teleprompters and cameras to advance his agenda when met with controversy. He calls it "taking it to the people."

If there was nothing political or age-inappropriate about his message to the students, why is the White House back-peddling to change and/or remove sections of the message?

Hopefully Obama is beginning to realize that winning the election does not equate to winning overwheming support and approval for his programs.

He walked into the Oval Office with the perceived notion that whatever he said or did would be embraced by Americans. How many more reality checks does the man need before he learns to weigh his programs before presenting them to the American people?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/07/2009 06:29AM by RestonLass.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: September 07, 2009 07:29AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Melissa,
>
> The part that bothered me was Obama asking kids
> how they could help him.
>
> Obama has now removed that section of the lesson
> plan sent to teachers.
>
> Actually, the whole lesson plan bothers me.


All Fox "news" talking points.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: RestonLass ()
Date: September 07, 2009 07:33AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Alias Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Melissa,
> >
> > The part that bothered me was Obama asking kids
> > how they could help him.
> >
> > Obama has now removed that section of the
> lesson
> > plan sent to teachers.
>
>
> All Fox "news" talking points.


Actually Vince, that directive came from the White House and Dept of Education and was shared with ALL the media, not just Fox.

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Re: Indoctrination in schools
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: September 07, 2009 08:38AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Melissa,
>
> The part that bothered me was Obama asking kids
> how they could help him.
>
> Obama has now removed that section of the lesson
> plan sent to teachers.
>
> Actually, the whole lesson plan bothers me.

Any lesson plan would bother you, unless it was delivered by a President you voted for. At least you backtracked honestly into your statement.

Baby steps.....baby steps.

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