West Virginia goobers need to give that DINO the boot.



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As if he's responsible for what his daughter does. As if he can tell her what to do with a publicly traded company.

She has her position and thinks she can do what she wants because she's a Senators daughter.

Ahem...

http://nypost.com/2016/08/24/ceo-who-gouged-price-of-epipen-is-daughter-of-democrat-senator/

Bruno_Hautenfaust Wrote:
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> Ahem...
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> http://nypost.com/2016/08/24/ceo-who-gouged-price-
> of-epipen-is-daughter-of-democrat-senator/

I know dipshit. It's an outrage.

Corporations need lower taxes and less regulation.

It has a single year expiration. You have to pay 700 dollars every year or you can die if a bee stings you.

It cost 57 dollars in 2007 which was still inflated.

Do they have a monopoly on this drug? Can't someone else produce a similar product and sell it for 50 bucks?

Pretty sure they do.

Its literally a life saver. That's what it is. And people can't take precaution now if they have a life threatening allergy. They have to hope they make it to the ER on time and take the $700 hit to live on.

They are big contributors to the Clinton Foundation. Wonder what they got in return.

Clinton Greed Wrote:
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> They are big contributors to the Clinton
> Foundation. Wonder what they got in return.


I don't worry about her
It's all the politicians that love the corporate tit that worries me

This will fix it Wrote:
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> Corporations need lower taxes and less regulation.


This is precisely the opposite of what they need. To so see what happens when corporations are allowed to run amuck, look up the 2008 financial crisis.

I am all for a free market economy, but there are some things that the profit motive should not be applied to. Healthcare and security are amongst these things.

How much is your life worth?

The problem with comparing this issue to the free market and capitalism is that the government (tax dollars) are paying gig the bill.

Entities that bill the government can set their price points way outside what a normal free market economy would tolerate. They would be out of business or lowering their prices in a New York minute if people had to pay out of pocket.

The government and our tax dollars are merely seen as a cash cow for some corporations. Mainly medical and military, but I think everyone is now hip to the formula.

Work harder!!!

I think.its worth $700 tp live another year. Fuck Trump.

Shouldn't drugs be taxes just like food? That way the government can use the taxes to make drugs cheaper!

Hans Huckibein Wrote:
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> I am all for a free market economy, but there are
> some things that the profit motive should not be
> applied to. Healthcare and security are amongst
> these things.


In 1900 the average life expectancy in the US was about 45 years for males and a few years longer for females. By 2000 those life expectancies had increased dramatically to over 70 years of age in the US.

A huge factor in that lifespan increase was improvements in medical care and medicines, like the "evil" Big Pharma that created pills that saved many from death, pain, and dangerous, even life-threatening, surgeries.

US medical advances have greatly exceeded those of other countries in large part because of the profit motive.

Put aside security for purposes of this discussion and just think about healthcare since that is the type of device (Epipen) that is the subject here. Would you only want the govt to take away the profit motive in human healthcare (as opposed to healthcare for dogs, cats, and other animals)?

In a free market, investment capital will tend to be channeled to the place where it can get the best return for a given amount of risk. It's like water will flow downhill. (However, humans with incomplete knowledge,imperfect decision-making skills, and psychological factors are involved such that flow of investment capital is not quite as exact or predictable as water flowing down a hill.)

The point is that if you take away profit motive for human healthcare, investments will flow into other markets, such as animal healthcare.

Suppose the govt tells a research company, "cure this human disease and save 10,000 lives a year and the govt will tell you how much you're allowed to charge." The govt also tells them "cure this canine disease and save 10,000 dogs a year and you get to charge whatever you think the market will bear."

The research company will, all other factors being equal, assign their biologists, chemists, pharmacists, and others to working on cures for dogs, not humans. Maybe they will fire the doctors on their staff and hire veterinarians.

While the above is hypothetical, do you really want to keep the people and company which cures human cancer from striking gold? And, at the same time, you're OK with the people and company which cures canine cancer hitting the jackpot?

I'm not defending the Epipen price. I've no problem with consumers, individually or in groups, criticizing or protesting some price decision of a company.

If one thinks that the profit motive should be removed from healthcare, maybe the govt should produce all medicines and supply the medical care? Who thinks that the govt does this better than a profit-motive driven private sector?

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It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice. - John Cassis on manners

Ignoring juvenile attacks and remarks on the internet for over two decades.

Arguing by deflection or name-calling is an admission that you don't have a rational argument.

Typical elitist libs. More failed liberal policies.

no it won't Wrote:
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> This will fix it Wrote:
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> > Corporations need lower taxes and less
> regulation.
>
>
> This is precisely the opposite of what they need.
> To so see what happens when corporations are
> allowed to run amuck, look up the 2008 financial
> crisis.

Like this, it's another result of liberal policies.

oh my! It looks like Mylan, the manufacturer donated between $100,000-$250,000 to the Clinton Foundation.

Say it ain't so!

https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%24100%2C001%20to%20%24250%2C000&page=4

http://theantimedia.org/epipen-scandal-worse/

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> > Ahem...
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> >
> http://nypost.com/2016/08/24/ceo-who-gouged-price-
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> > of-epipen-is-daughter-of-democrat-senator/
>
> I know dipshit. It's an outrage.


Is it still an outrage ???????????????????


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1 year expiration is BS, I may replace mine every 5+ years

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chuckhoffmann Wrote:
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> Dtk3P Wrote:
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> > Do they have a monopoly on this drug? Can't
> > someone else produce a similar product and sell
> it
> > for 50 bucks?
>
> There's no monopoly on the drug: epinephrine is
> generic, and the amount of epinephrine an EpiPen
> delivers is worth about $1.00.
>
> What Mylan does have is the right to
> market epinephrine auto-injectors that use U.S.
> patent 6,767,336, which makes the EpiPen easy
> enough to use that a minimally-trained person
> under a great deal of stress can use the device
> correctly, as improper injection of epinephrine
> can be ineffective or actually kill the patient.
>
> U.S. patent 6,767,336 will not expire until 2025.
>
>
> Mylan also has a dynamite marketing team, which
> has made sure that the EpiPen is pretty much
> synonymous with epinephrine auto-injectors. They
> even got Congress to pass a law so that schools
> will buy the devices.
>
> The problem has arisen because Mylan has increased
> the price of the devices from $57 in 2007 to over
> $300 each today to cover Mylan's increased
> marketing costs and profits at the same time that
> most health insurance deductibles have also
> increased, so insurance no longer covers as much
> or any of the price.
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The high cost of drugs is always to recoup losses spent in product development. As the drug companies.

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kVXnw Wrote:
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> The high cost of drugs is always to recoup losses
> spent in product development. As the drug
> companies.


Yes good good, that's exactly it

What you retards don't understand is that the cost of research keeps going up. You want them to cure cancer right? Do you hate children? Do you want children to have cancer?

LmcU9 Wrote:
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> What you retards don't understand is that the cost
> of research keeps going up. You want them to cure
> cancer right? Do you hate children? Do you want
> children to have cancer?


Gov. (NIH)pays for a lot of that research
And gets none of th profit

LmcU9 Wrote:
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> What you retards don't understand is that the cost
> of research keeps going up. You want them to cure
> cancer right? Do you hate children? Do you want
> children to have cancer?


Yes good good, that's exactly it

Department of education made schools buy these from them every year.

Fucking greedy, child hating democrats.

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> What you retards don't understand is that the cost
> of research keeps going up. You want them to cure
> cancer right? Do you hate children? Do you want
> children to have cancer?


Gerry is too fucking stupid to understand any of that.

You fucking rightards are garbage. Loser ass motherfuckin garbage. And even when you fail you still deny and insist on pushing this country to fail some more.

It would be great if you could at least, at the very least, recognize reality on occasion and reform accordingly. But even that is too much to ask from garbage.

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Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> You fucking rightards are garbage. Loser ass
> motherfuckin garbage. And even when you fail you
> still deny and insist on pushing this country to
> fail some more.
>
> It would be great if you could at least, at the
> very least, recognize reality on occasion and
> reform accordingly. But even that is too much to
> ask from garbage.

Hey assclown, you do knoq that you are the OP of this thread, right?

You are the one that pointed out the failed liberal policies, back door senate deals and the lobbyists that made this happen. Don't forget the large contributions to tje Clinton money laundering foundation.

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G2 is an assclown felcher Wrote:
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> Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> > You fucking rightards are garbage. Loser ass
> > motherfuckin garbage. And even when you fail
> you
> > still deny and insist on pushing this country
> to
> > fail some more.
> >
> > It would be great if you could at least, at the
> > very least, recognize reality on occasion and
> > reform accordingly. But even that is too much
> to
> > ask from garbage.
>
> Hey assclown, you do knoq that you are the OP of
> this thread, right?
>
> You are the one that pointed out the failed
> liberal policies, back door senate deals and the
> lobbyists that made this happen. Don't forget the
> large contributions to tje Clinton money
> laundering foundation.

Gerry is too stupid for that too. You ever see the video of the dog trying to bite his own leg because it was trying to steal his bone?

All he needs is the headline. Facts and circumstances never got in the way of a good liberal fag complaining about something that sucks and failing to understand that they caused it.