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Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:45AM

No, these guys aren't interested in intimidating people at all...

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The Republicans are going overboard on this. While most Americans may support the right to bear arms, I don't think moderate voters are going to feel good about this.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:50AM

Lets not lump all republicans. There are some folks that vote with them that are not advocates of people grabbing a gun and bringing it to a rally ;)

I was watching Jon Stewart last night, he had another good one

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David Cross was funny.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:53AM

People are just plain fucking nuts in this country.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:55AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> People are just plain fucking nuts in this
> country.


The radical wing of the Republican Party won't be happy until Biden is President.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:57AM

Nononononononono... lol

Sarah Palin nightmares.... nooooooooooooooo

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 08:59AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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>
> The radical wing of the Republican Party won't be happy until Biden is President.


I wonder if this jackass knew how many Secret Service sniper rifles were aimed at his head the whole time.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: wonderwall ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:01AM

CRAZY GAPTOOTHED REDNECKS!

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:02AM

Wait a minute.. that guy is black?

EDIT: LOLOLOL Too Funny. I notice that didn't get reported.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html

EDIT 2: I notice MSNBC posted the story with no picture...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32457652/ - they included the little part of the article from Arizona noting he didn't give his name.
.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:04AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Wait a minute.. that guy is black?


I was wondering that. I think he may be standing in the shade. Look at the shadows on his shirt versus those standing around him.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:09AM

wonderwall Wrote:
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> CRAZY GAPTOOTHED REDNECKS!

Sorry, don't think he qualifies. Go back to diddling yourself.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:12AM

I wonder what would've happened if black guys with guns started showing up at Bush or Cheney events during the height of the anti-war protests?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: nyse in 15 ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:14AM

i saw boyz n the hood and they use mac-10s and glocks, not rifles. i bet a gaptoothed redneck handed it to him and $100 to wear it at the rally.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:21AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> I wonder what would've happened if black guys with
> guns started showing up at Bush or Cheney events
> during the height of the anti-war protests?

Grasping at straws - sorry. I am still laughing that it was actually a black guy. I am wondering if Jon Stewart was aware of it, or would have commented on it if he knew.

Not one of the MSM news agencies made note of it in the original reporting - thus leading to everyone assuming it was some right-wing radical redneck type.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:27AM

Why is that "grasping at straws"? If some black dude with a gun showed up at a Rush Limbaugh speaking event, do you really think the hardcore righties would just say "oh well he's just exercising his right to bear arms"?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:30AM

What's really sad - if it becomes more well known then this guy will have his life put up for review by MSM to understand what is wrong with him - that way they can figure out that secretly he is a redneck who got a reverse Michael Jackson skin treatment.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:31AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> Why is that "grasping at straws"? If some black
> dude with a gun showed up at a Rush Limbaugh
> speaking event, do you really think the hardcore
> righties would just say "oh well he's just
> exercising his right to bear arms"?

Sorry, just now you are trying to redirect the discussion to an irrelevant question. I kind of like exploring this whole issue on why a black guy would find it important to carry his AR-15 to a rally. War vet?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:31AM

The real cause for concern is that all of these inbred, white trash militia groups now know that they can bring their guns to a rally and won't be stopped. If they care less about living than they do about killing, it's going to be a huge problem.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:34AM

Much like other issues we discuss - the more attention paid to these groups, the more likely it is to happen (them bringing weapons). I think if the media would quit sensationalizing the issue they wouldn't even bother.

I am guessing if a militia group showed up in force at a rally, they would probably see an increased presence from local authorities.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:35AM

Maybe he brought the gun to protect himself from "fellow Republicans."

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:38AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Maybe he brought the gun to protect himself from
> "fellow Republicans."


LOL, yeah, he saw how nimrods at these GOP rallies lynch effigies and decided not to take any risks.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:40AM

Yeah, keep going off on that tangent - I am sure you guys can bring the rednecks back into the conversation somehow.

Sorry guys. Too funny.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:43AM

Ok, so it's a black guy carrying the rifle instead of some flannel-wearing Deliverance reject. It doesn't matter if he's conservative, liberal, white, black, or green; he's still a goddamn idiot.

RV, you're a pretty smart fella. Please don't make a race issue out of it.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:43AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yeah, keep going off on that tangent - I am sure
> you guys can bring the rednecks back into the
> conversation somehow.


Except for the token "black guy with a gun", I'm sure the rest of the crowd were highly educated, well pedigreed members of the intelligentsia.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:47AM

No - I am not. I am just laughing because it was a black guy. Every other picture you have of this (in my head, your head, etc) is a bunch of rednecks.

Look, I agree it is stupid to bring guns to the rally (I posted it in the other thread about it) - just having this guy be the one bringing the AR-15 throws the whole discussion in a different light. Who knows why he brought it - I am actually curious. I was under the impression that only stupid white guys would bring guns to a rally.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:50AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> I was under the impression that only
> stupid white guys would bring guns to a rally.

Stupidity transcends all races, colors, and creeds.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: pot ()
Date: August 18, 2009 09:51AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
>
> Except for the token "black guy with a gun", I'm
> sure the rest of the crowd were highly educated,
> well pedigreed members of the intelligentsia.

much like yourself.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: hammy ()
Date: August 18, 2009 11:13AM

How do you know he is Republican? He was assembling with pro-healthcare reform advocates and never identified his viewpoint or organizational affiliation. He could have just as easily been a Democrat.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 11:19AM

hammy Wrote:
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> How do you know he is Republican? He was
> assembling with pro-healthcare reform advocates
> and never identified his viewpoint or
> organizational affiliation. He could have just as
> easily been a Democrat.


Oh, he's not pro health care....


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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: WashingTone-Locian ()
Date: August 18, 2009 11:19AM

hammy Wrote:
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> How do you know he is Republican? He was
> assembling with pro-healthcare reform advocates
> and never identified his viewpoint or
> organizational affiliation. He could have just as
> easily been a Democrat.


Oh, he's not pro health care....

http://www.abc15.com/mediacenter/local.aspx?videoid=23628@knxv.dayport.com

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 18, 2009 12:00PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People are just plain fucking nuts in this
> > country.
>
>
> The radical wing of the Republican Party won't be
> happy until Biden is President.


There is only one wing to the republikan party these days.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: heater core ()
Date: August 18, 2009 12:01PM

that explains why they can't take off and fly

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 18, 2009 12:03PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Much like other issues we discuss - the more
> attention paid to these groups, the more likely it
> is to happen (them bringing weapons). I think if
> the media would quit sensationalizing the issue
> they wouldn't even bother.
>
> I am guessing if a militia group showed up in
> force at a rally, they would probably see an
> increased presence from local authorities.


Well...the odds are the militia is made up of people from the local authorities. At least thats the way it was in the good old days.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Wandering aimless ()
Date: August 18, 2009 01:59PM

There is nothing illeagel about what he is doing. Stop neing a bunch of pussies. I would rather see the weapon then for him to have is concelled.
You people keep saying redneck and hillbillies. This guy doesnt look to be either. He has a right to carry his weapon where allowed. Just like you have the right if you want.
I am sick of all the left and right coast pussies who run like bitches at the sight of a weapon.
If more Americans did this the country would be a much safer place.
Go ahead and attack me I can take it.

Keep pokng the giant.
Please

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:07PM

Showing up at a political rally with an assault weapon is the kind of shit they do in fucked up third world countries. Period.



Wandering aimless Wrote:
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> There is nothing illeagel about what he is doing.
> Stop neing a bunch of pussies. I would rather see
> the weapon then for him to have is concelled.
> You people keep saying redneck and hillbillies.
> This guy doesnt look to be either. He has a right
> to carry his weapon where allowed. Just like you
> have the right if you want.
> I am sick of all the left and right coast pussies
> who run like bitches at the sight of a weapon.
> If more Americans did this the country would be a
> much safer place.
> Go ahead and attack me I can take it.
>
> Keep pokng the giant.
> Please

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:11PM

It's definitely a "common sense" issue.

Those with a lacking in common sense would think it is a good idea to bring a gun to a protest rally where the President and Secret Service would be coming.

Common sense tells you it makes little sense to come there with one. Is there some threat to be worried about that you might have to defend yourself so you need to exercise your free carry rights? I mean sure, going out in the desert to hike you might run into a snake, mountain lion, something like that would require a gun. But honestly, it just speaks volumes of DUMB in a place where police and others are having to worry about the safety of the President or bystanders.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: wanderingaimless ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:23PM

I Admit it was stupid, but it wasnt illegale. Not sure was point he was making but again I would rather see the gun exposed than concelled.
Guns are not bad or evil. If and when shit ever hits the fan around here all of you people will be looking for one this I promise.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: wanderingaimless ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:29PM

PS
There is no radical wing of republican party, unless you call people who disagree radical. I dont see a radical wing of either party. I see wierd people trying to make ass's of themself but there is no organized radical wing.
When ever anyone doesnt agree with obama they are radical or racist, this is no more than a weopon used to try yo downplay someone else who has a differant opinon.
I think usining the remarks and statments shows a fear or an inability to discuss things. Its a last ditch effort when your arguments are weak.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: possessive sphincter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:32PM

you wrote......"make ass's of themself"

does this mean your ass owns YOU?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: wanderingaimless ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:33PM

Or from thr Union thigs(black) which beat up the black man at another town hall meeting for not falling in line.

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> Maybe he brought the gun to protect himself from
> "fellow Republicans."

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: wanderingaimless ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:35PM

mr Sphincter,

It can mean whatever you want it to.

possessive sphincter Wrote:
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> you wrote......"make ass's of themself"
>
> does this mean your ass owns YOU?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:42PM

My question is: "How much did they pay this black guy to hold that machine gun at the rally?"

Unless hthe guy is like Samuel L. Jackson's character in Lakeview Terrace, I'm not buying it as being genuine.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 18, 2009 02:52PM

wanderingaimless Wrote:
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> PS
> There is no radical wing of republican party,
> unless you call people who disagree radical. I
> dont see a radical wing of either party. I see
> wierd people trying to make ass's of themself but
> there is no organized radical wing.
> When ever anyone doesnt agree with obama they are
> radical or racist, this is no more than a weopon
> used to try yo downplay someone else who has a
> differant opinon.
> I think usining the remarks and statments shows a
> fear or an inability to discuss things. Its a last
> ditch effort when your arguments are weak.

Im sorry..but a political party that appears to be led by Fox "news" personalities is radical.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:01PM

§ Wrote:
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> My question is: "How much did they pay this black
> guy to hold that machine gun at the rally?"
>
> Unless hthe guy is like Samuel L. Jackson's
> character in Lakeview Terrace, I'm not buying it
> as being genuine.

They had to pay him to say the comments he made also then.

http://www.abc15.com/content/news/phoenixmetro/central/story/Man-protests-President-Obamas-Phoenix-speech-with/q4OeoN6qZU-efcy1Zoq7xQ.cspx
Quote

...
One protester who didn't want to give his name was walking around with a rifle in full view.

"I'm exercising my right as an American in Arizona," he said. "I'm actually totally against healthcare in this way, in this manner, stealing it from people. I don't think that's appropriate."

The man also carried a hand gun on his hip and a round of ammunition in his back pocket, all completely legal.

He said he's fighting both health care and his right to carry a firearm in public.

"I come from another state where open carry is legal, but no one does it, so police don't really know about it, and they harass people and arrest people falsely," he said. "In America, people have the ability to fight back and resist."

...

He had an extra clip for his AR-15 sticking out of his back pocket.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:06PM

What a loon. The guy can't even stay on topic.

Which is it? Gun rights or health care freedom? "Fuck it. I'm here for both!"

Did someone tell him about death panels or something? Geez.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:12PM

The word "freedom" is becoming the most twisted word in american venacular. It's current interpretation seems to mean doing anything and everything I want to do...and if I can buy it, to buy whatever it is I want to buy...without regard to the impact on future generations or the rest of the world.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:21PM

as someone who's family has recently submitted claims to health insurance companies its ass backwards. The fucking insurance companies are limiting health care claims not socialism. They are doling out small parcels of health care and lording all our money over our heads. The reformers want you to get all the health care at reasonable prices.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:23PM

It is private insurance companies that ration care by deciding what is covered and what is not. Private plans limit which doctor and hospital you can use, define "preexisting conditions" and make insurance unaffordable for tens of millions. For many, all this can cause suffering and sometimes even death. Our one oasis of socialized medicine, Medicare, has the most choice and the least exclusion.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:24PM

After receiving nearly a trillion dollars of taxpayer aid, Wall Street is returning to business as usual. Consider: Firms that received government help, after losing fortunes in 2008, still found money to pay out exorbitant bonuses at public expense. Why arent conservative protestors walking around the stock exchanges with assault rifles?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:31PM

Far too little of the government's aid to Wall Street is trickling down. Because of the administration's decision to target $75 billion in mortgage-relief aid to banks and mortgage companies rather than to beleaguered homeowners, foreclosures are still increasing far faster than loan modifications.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:33PM

Have you seen the prices of hotels in and around Manhattan these days?!?!

They'd have to stay in Harlem in order to make affordable for a rally.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:34PM

Seriously though, NYC republicans don't strike me as the protesting type.

They are a tad bit smarter than the republicans of the South.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:35PM

Any reason why you felt compelled to post not one, not two, not three, but a string of four posts?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:37PM

Judge Crater has a lot on his mind.

It all doesn't come to him at once, but like Tourette's, it's in spurts.

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Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:41PM

Maybe he thinks this is twitter?

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:43PM

LOL +1!

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:45PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Any reason why you felt compelled to post not one,
> not two, not three, but a string of four posts?


because I fucking felt like it so fuck you

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: oo0oo ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:49PM

That's interesting.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: August 18, 2009 03:53PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Any reason why you felt compelled to post not
> one,
> > not two, not three, but a string of four posts?
>
>
> because I fucking felt like it so fuck you

I can already tell that universal drug and medical coverage will help you under the Obama plan - if it gets there. Until then, remember this:


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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:00PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> It is private insurance companies that ration care
> by deciding what is covered and what is not.
> Private plans limit which doctor and hospital you
> can use, define "preexisting conditions" and make
> insurance unaffordable for tens of millions. For
> many, all this can cause suffering and sometimes
> even death. Our one oasis of socialized medicine,
> Medicare, has the most choice and the least
> exclusion.

Most people want health care reform. But Medicare is spending money at a phenomenal rate, and they are looking to cut funding there and trying to make it palatable. But just because it needs to be reformed, doesn't mean it needs to completely roll over to a single-payer, or even a government run option to supposedly increase competition. There are pros and cons to both sides of the argument for sure. Someone needs to sit down, who is not in the pockets of insurers or the AMA folks, and come up with a common sense answer looking at both sides, and then seeing if we can all agree on it. Right now, special interests on both sides are trying to paint it as some black and white issue - so we have have:

1. Status Quo: Which is BS for all the reasons of pre-exisiting conditions, denial of coverage for various reasons (rationing), and getting the run-around on dealing with how things get paid, Insurance companies running "for-profit" with executive salaries that are making millions of dollars

or

2. Government Run Health Insurance and Health Care: Smacks of socialisim, potentially leads to single payer, QALY or weighted services toward younger people (rationing) using this system Ezekial Emanuel advocates.

We need something in the middle. Something along the lines of:

- Eliminate pre-existing condition clauses
- Make health care insurance plans cover entire country instead of local only
- Allow for government vouchers to allow lower income people to pay for a plan, or setup government sponsored clinics that provide wellness care but can refer folks to emergency services or surgical services if needed (safety net). Vouchers would be tied to local jurisdiction management with re-imbursement from the Fed so that proper LOCAL oversight can be established
- Federal oversight of pharmaceutical rates and supplier costs based on comparisons with what is being charged in other countries for same meds and supplies.
- Eliminate or limit for-profit (yes, not totally capitalism)
- limit executive salaries (as a not-for-profit)
- train more doctors to reduce scarcity issues in under served areas (AMA artificially limits them now)
- government acts as (a better) regulator not manager of insurance and health care.

etc.

That way we keep free market forces in play to help limit insurance costs, but also increase supply of doctor services to reduce costs.



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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:07PM

Agreed for the hybrid option. I'll also add to federalize the whole lot and take the states out of the equation.

Also, we need tort reform of some sort. At least a cap on damage awards where it's enough to punish them, but not let them off the hook.

On that note, we need restrictions to curb serial litigators. You shouldn't be able to continually sue doctors for every procedure ever done to you. They need to limit this to a flat monetary amount and/or limit the number of civil suits that can be brought by one individual.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:14PM

Agreed on tort also - I had something about it in the other thread on this where the cap was actual costs and damages was based on some X factor times years of salary averages to award a number figure. Have to look at other things to determine X.

Successful malpractice lawsuit would result in loss of license nationally, and civil suits would be limited by requiring the person bringing suit to pay lawyer fee penalties if they lose. Some kind of escrow cost if you have filed litigation before that has failed more than 3 or 4 times or something. That is beyond my thinking at the moment :)

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:15PM

I concur. The premise of heath care was ensuring that insurance carriers stick to their promise of covering was was expected to cover and providing was was promised.

It has morphed into a universal coverage (Canada system) program. Thats where people have begun to question the motives...

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:20PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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>
> I can already tell that universal drug and medical
> coverage will help you under the Obama plan - if
> it gets there. Until then, remember this:
>
> http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2008/9/14/633569918
> 355308900-wristsrememberisdowntheroadnotacrossthes
> treetdemotivator.jpg


you are a fucking idiot.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:25PM

Good to see that you're spun up like a little top. Maybe you could post four more random thoughts for the edification of the audience.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:25PM

And note, none of the tort reform would stop litigation like in the Grisham book "The Rainmaker" - if an insurance company makes it a run around to deny claims to make money (even if they are a non-profit) then they need to be taken to task.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: § ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:30PM

Yes, I'm with you on that. I'm talking about some report I read recently in one of our weekly law digests about the the overall percentage of malpractice suits made by individuals who either previously won an award or failed trying. Don't quote me, but if I recall, it was nearly 35%.

That's rediculous.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:53PM

on page 425 of the health care bill, so we started there. Indeed, Sec. 1233 of the bill, labeled "Advance Care Planning Consultation" details how the bill would, for the first time, require Medicare to cover the cost of end-of-life counseling sessions.

According to the bill, "such consultation shall include the following: An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to; an explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses; an explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy."

Medicare will cover one session every five years, the legislation states. If a patient becomes very ill in the interim, Medicare will cover additional sessions.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:54PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Good to see that you're spun up like a little top.
> Maybe you could post four more random thoughts
> for the edification of the audience.


glad to see you are upholding your role as forum idiot trying to make himself sound smarter using large words like, "edification".

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 18, 2009 04:55PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> on page 425 of the health care bill, so we started
> there. Indeed, Sec. 1233 of the bill, labeled
> "Advance Care Planning Consultation" details how
> the bill would, for the first time, require
> Medicare to cover the cost of end-of-life
> counseling sessions.

So? We already covered that. Is this just some random thought that popped this out? Do you have an issue with it? :)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2009 04:58PM by Registered Voter.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: August 18, 2009 05:21PM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> TheMeeper Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > People are just plain fucking nuts in this
> > country.
>
>
> The radical wing of the Republican Party won't be
> happy until Biden is President.


Radical? How about applying such labels towards the nut-huggers supporting Obama?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/18/2009 05:23PM by ThePackLeader.

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Re: Republican Protestors Bringing Assault Weapons to Rallies
Posted by: rightwingbatshitters ()
Date: August 18, 2009 07:04PM

packleader is definitely a gay sounding name - how bout you change it to theFUDGEpackleader. that would make more sense, no?

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