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Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: uncle al ()
Date: August 12, 2009 07:55AM

Is Obama going to kill my grandmother with his "health"care reform, death panel, and substandard medicine? Why doesn't he talk about this more?

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: August 12, 2009 08:04AM

Yes- haven't you been listening? He and Congress are going to kill the elderly and start forcing abortions in order to make room for more illegal aliens.

Makes sense, doesn't it?

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: fairfaxdude ()
Date: August 12, 2009 08:08AM

Naw, he likes your grandmother--she's a sweet old lady.

You, on the other hand, he despises. Now that he has your IP address, its the beginning of the end for you, asswipe. Say your prayers.

______________________________________________
I have had to change the addresses to my retaliatory blogs over half a dozen times.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: jhey ()
Date: August 12, 2009 08:51AM

Yes, he is. But really, your grandmother shouldn't have mouthed off like that.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Date: August 12, 2009 09:02AM

uncle al Wrote:
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> Is Obama going to kill my grandmother with his
> "health"care reform, death panel, and substandard
> medicine? Why doesn't he talk about this more?


Yes. There is going to be a "death panel," as Sarah Palin described. This death panel is going to decide who lives and who dies. If you are old or retarded, you will be toast. Because, after all, the best way to win re-election in 2012 is to propose a plan where the government starts arbitrarily executing citizens.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Republican ()
Date: August 12, 2009 09:07AM

Yes, your grandmother doesn't work so she is not allowed health care!

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Date: August 12, 2009 09:11AM

If you have a family member over the age of 65, you will receive one of these in the mail with a list of instructions...

product_floam_pillow.jpg

Republicans want to cut expenses. This is the best way to do it.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: August 12, 2009 11:25PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/01/2012 11:22AM by Alias.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 12, 2009 11:30PM

Yes, lets not forget though that currently, the insurance companies want to kill our grandmothers so they can make a profit. Just a point here. Don't want to lose sight of them rationing to our grandmothers already. That and Medicare...

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: August 12, 2009 11:32PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Yes, lets not forget though that currently, the
> insurance companies want to kill our grandmothers
> so they can make a profit. Just a point here.
> Don't want to lose sight of them rationing to our
> grandmothers already. That and Medicare...


And not just grandmothers. Private insurance companies will weasel out of paying for expensive treatments or medications any time they can come up with an excuse (calling them "expiremental", for example)

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 12, 2009 11:35PM

Well, I don't see any of those issues being corrected by GRHI (government run health insurance). Instead of a profit, the money will be lost in inefficiency, and the only time you will get access to an experimental drug is when you go to another country or the FDA finally approves it.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: August 19, 2009 01:38AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/29/2012 11:31PM by Alias.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 19, 2009 06:27AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Yes, I have run into issues with experimental
> treatments for my daughter. duh...
> (Just don't expect the government to pay for
> experimental or magical cures.)
>
> When my 87 yr. old mother fell in a grocery store,
> she received the best care in the world.
>
> If my mother lived in Canada, she'd be dead today.

From the CIA fact book, which you MUST believe if you are a patriotic American

Canada 81.23 years
USA 78.11
UK 79.1 years

out of 224 countries, USA ranks 50th in life expectancy. We beat Moldova!

USA! USA! USA!

PS If your grandmother lived in UK or Canada - she would have been well taken care.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: August 19, 2009 08:09AM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> From the CIA fact book, which you MUST believe if
> you are a patriotic American
>
> Canada 81.23 years
> USA 78.11
> UK 79.1 years


i think the average for the USA is brought down by certain groups of people that have genetic defects, causing them to die of heart attacks and such. I know the father of my brother-in-law is the first one in his family's lineage to live past 50. i would be interested in seeing the data being such reports that tell what people are dying from.


> out of 224 countries, USA ranks 50th in life
> expectancy. We beat Moldova!


yeah, fuck Maldova!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 19, 2009 09:51AM

It is mostly about our diet as far as life expectancy. We really need (seriously) to take a hard look at the foods we produce and consume in this country.

Looking at average life expectancy numbers - is there some proof that they have anything at ALL to do with our health care? NOT.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: August 19, 2009 10:37AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It is mostly about our diet as far as life
> expectancy. We really need (seriously) to take a
> hard look at the foods we produce and consume in
> this country.
>
> Looking at average life expectancy numbers - is
> there some proof that they have anything at ALL to
> do with our health care? NOT.

Once again you take a staistic that disagrees with your going in position and discount it. The fact is there is hardly a medical/health statistic that supports the claim that the US has anything but a mediocre and overly expensive healthcare system.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Dr. Destruction ()
Date: August 19, 2009 10:41AM

WashingTone-Locian Wrote:
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> uncle al Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is Obama going to kill my grandmother with his
> > "health"care reform, death panel, and
> substandard
> > medicine? Why doesn't he talk about this more?
>
>
> Yes. There is going to be a "death panel," as
> Sarah Palin described. This death panel is going
> to decide who lives and who dies. If you are old
> or retarded, you will be toast. Because, after
> all, the best way to win re-election in 2012 is to
> propose a plan where the government starts
> arbitrarily executing citizens.

He shouldn't off the retards. Imagine what that would do to his base. He would lose for sure.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Dr. Win ()
Date: August 19, 2009 10:44AM

Or the gays. Your base would be decimated.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Dr. Decimation ()
Date: August 19, 2009 11:01AM

Dr. Win Wrote:
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> Or the gays. Your base would be decimated.

Definitely, Obama's base would be nonexistent without gays and retards. That we can agree on.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: FUNdamental ()
Date: August 19, 2009 11:54AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> It is mostly about our diet as far as life
> expectancy. We really need (seriously) to take a
> hard look at the foods we produce and consume in
> this country.
>
> Looking at average life expectancy numbers - is
> there some proof that they have anything at ALL to
> do with our health care? NOT.

Well, actually, yes there is. Actuarial tables compiled with data from the U.S. Census, state clearly, if you make it to age 65 years old in this country, you have among the longest life expectancy averages in the world. The average is right up there with New Zealand, Switzerland, Great Britain, South Africa (non Black and native), Sweden, and France. What makes this interesting is a huge percentage of people in this country, 65 and older, are on Medicare, a government run healthcare provider for our seniors.

You will never hear this info on Fox News.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Grim Reaper ()
Date: August 19, 2009 12:03PM

Yes, Palin is on to something. By killing the retards, we would wipe out her base, and she knows it. Of course, she'd be offed too, under the same policy, but not before us guys on the board pull a train on her and post a link to the video on her fb page.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Dr. Win ()
Date: August 19, 2009 12:06PM

Dr. Decimation Wrote:
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> Dr. Win Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Or the gays. Your base would be decimated.
>
> Definitely, Obama's base would be nonexistent
> without gays and retards. That we can agree on.


i'm talking about your friends and family

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Dr. Demogogue ()
Date: August 19, 2009 12:11PM

Dr. Win Wrote:
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>
> i'm talking about your friends and family

I know, they are all democrats.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: youcangetwiththis or youcangetwiththat ()
Date: August 19, 2009 01:53PM

which means they talk behind your back and make fun of your likeness for failing...like a black sheep

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Date: August 19, 2009 02:51PM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Canada 81.23 years
> USA 78.11
> UK 79.1 years

those life expectancies are so close to each other that i would say there is relatively no difference.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 19, 2009 06:06PM

FUNdamental Wrote:
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>
> Well, actually, yes there is. Actuarial tables
> compiled with data from the U.S. Census, state
> clearly, if you make it to age 65 years old in
> this country, you have among the longest life
> expectancy averages in the world. The average is
> right up there with New Zealand, Switzerland,
> Great Britain, South Africa (non Black and
> native), Sweden, and France. What makes this
> interesting is a huge percentage of people in this
> country, 65 and older, are on Medicare, a
> government run healthcare provider for our
> seniors.
>

So... which is it then? It keeps getting reported that we are one of the worst, but then we are told medicare is awesome and our 65+ folks live longer because of it (not too mention many of them have other supplemental insurance - I know my mother does). I have seen other evidence that is suggesting that as our (the US diet) gets introduced into other countries their rates of obesity rise, etc. So certainly a case can be made that the diet of a country contributes to the health care issues? True? I mean I see reports of how Japan eats this, and China eats that - obviously diet has a lot to do with health issues, if not directly related to how healthy a country is.

A better measure is probably infant mortality rates than life expectancy as to how good the health care systems are doing. At least I would think so - actuarial tables are great for folks providing life insurance - not so much for delving into the health care system. How long you live is probably based on a number of factors including health care, diet, etc - to try and make a policy just on one factor is kind of like walking on a busy street with one eye closed.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 19, 2009 06:45PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> FUNdamental Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
>> A better measure is probably infant mortality
> rates than life expectancy as to how good the
> health care systems are doing. At least I would
> think so - actuarial tables are great for folks
> providing life insurance - not so much for delving
> into the health care system. How long you live is
> probably based on a number of factors including
> health care, diet, etc - to try and make a policy
> just on one factor is kind of like walking on a
> busy street with one eye closed.


According to the "Great Ameican" CIA World Factbook, USA is 180th out of 224 in the world in infant mortality. Again, we did beat Moldova (137) but not Cuba (181). The EU is way ahead of us and Sweeden's infant mortality rate is less than half ours

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 19, 2009 06:53PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> So... which is it then? It keeps getting reported
> that we are one of the worst, but then we are told
> medicare is awesome and our 65+ folks live longer
> because of it (not too mention many of them have
> other supplemental insurance - I know my mother
> does).

The US has the best health care system in the world, for some. For others, it is not the best health care system.

The Jockey Club is one of the best restaurants in the area. How often do you eat there? Easily without drinks it will run you $100 per person plus tips.But the difference is, you dont need to eat there. You need health care. You fall and break your leg without health insurance you are looking at upwards of a $50,000 bill. You got $50,000 cash burning a hole in your pocket, our system is great.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 19, 2009 07:11PM

180 being almost the lowest. 224 being the lowest in Singapore.

So out of 224 ranked countries, the US rates in at the top 20% with a difference of 6.26 (per 1000 births) to 2.31 (per 1000 births) for the best. The EU at 5.72 is not, by any measure, "way ahead".

China's rate is 20.25, Venezuela is 21.54, etc. Mexico, just across the border is 18.42 (no doubt diluted and skewing the US numbers a bit lol). Russia at 10.56.

I would be more concerned if we were "really close" to India at 30.15.

Yeah, I am thinking - not so bad.

I suppose you looked at the death rates too? They are kind of interesting. The US is at 8.38 per 1000, the EU is at 10.28 (worse), the UK is at 10.02, etc. The death rate in Iran was 5.72, Iraq 5.03, Mexico 4.80

I was worried for a bit that I was reading it wrong until I got to Angola (who also topped the worst infant mortality rate) with a 24.08 death rate.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2066rank.html

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This entry gives the average annual number of deaths during a year per 1,000 population at midyear; also known as crude death rate. The death rate, while only a rough indicator of the mortality situation in a country, accurately indicates the current mortality impact on population growth. This indicator is significantly affected by age distribution, and most countries will eventually show a rise in the overall death rate, in spite of continued decline in mortality at all ages, as declining fertility results in an aging population.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 19, 2009 09:48PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> 180 being almost the lowest. 224 being the lowest
> in Singapore.
>
> So out of 224 ranked countries, the US rates in at
> the top 20% with a difference of 6.26 (per 1000
> births) to 2.31 (per 1000 births) for the best.
> The EU at 5.72 is not, by any measure, "way
> ahead".

I hope you do not pro-create! Ummmmm So 9,44% difference is not "way ahead"? Most people would aggree it is.
>


> I would be more concerned if we were "really
> close" to India at 30.15.

So you wont be concernerned until we are close to beating a third world country?


> Yeah, I am thinking - not so bad.

Yeah, I am thinking "you are an idiot"

And the death rates are another matter. You would not understand it anyway.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Libertarian1 ()
Date: August 19, 2009 10:43PM

Who would even want to practice medicine in the likely environment one can imagine under this program? Can we really afford a system that shortchanges its doctors?

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Fromthemouthsofbabes ()
Date: August 19, 2009 11:23PM

Read what 20-something year old Adam Frey of Cornell University's wrestling team had to say about Nationalized Health Care.

"Well the good news is that the pain is subsiding, I am eating, gaining weight and I feel good enough to make it out and do things. My tumor marker dropped on Monday which is even better news. I hope it keeps dropping, at any second it could become resistant again and be futile. For now, I really want surgery, laser out the liver and do non evasive surgery. It would knock the cancer back and give me time and common sense says less cancer, better chance of survival. My oncologist won’t have any of it. He says in six months or so if chemo doesn’t work it will come back. It pisses me off for them to continually poison me to no avail and not try another thing. If some cells don’t respond, try to take them out of me. Of course the medical world and common sense do not align. I just keep praying that my number gets down to the point where I can get the surgery and just end this whole thing. My hopes are up that maybe this new treatent will do that and be enough to have them take it out immediately. I have a long way to go on this chemo cycle…round two of six starts Monday. The chemo really wipes me out. I went into it in a bad way, so hopefully it isn’t that bad this time through.

I am also pretty scared about the nationalized healthcare. For people like me, the government would have the option to say no to treatments that could prolong or maybe save my life. That is so scary. I do not want the government and nationalize health care to say no. I don’t think it should be their choice. Its scary. It isn’t right. I am praying it does not pass."

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Thurston Moore ()
Date: August 19, 2009 11:40PM

Fromthemouthsofbabes Wrote:
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>
> [heartbreaking story to condition the reader
> for an emotional rather than rational response ]

>
> [totally misinformed but completely in line with the
> partisan line appeal to fear and uncertainty about
> health care reform]
>

First of all, the guy should seek a new doctor if this one refuses to do surgery. Surgery is always first, when there is a mass that can be reached and removed safely, FOLLOWED BY CHEMO.

Second of all, the guy probably doesn't have cancer, since he would know this if he did.

Third, this is just another Sarah Palin thought parrot lamenting the evil injustice of death panels.

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Re: Is OBAMA going to kill my grandmother?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: August 20, 2009 02:14AM

Radiophile Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 180 being almost the lowest. 224 being the
> lowest
> > in Singapore.
> >
> > So out of 224 ranked countries, the US rates in
> at
> > the top 20% with a difference of 6.26 (per 1000
> > births) to 2.31 (per 1000 births) for the best.
> > The EU at 5.72 is not, by any measure, "way
> > ahead".
>
> I hope you do not pro-create! Ummmmm So 9,44%
> difference is not "way ahead"? Most people would
> aggree it is.
> >

I am thinking you just took your "I wanna be an asshole like other people" pill today and want to make some trollish point.

First off, with Angola having an infant mortality rate of 180 per 1000, and the top of the chart (at rank 224) having Singapore with a 2.31 infant mortality, there is quite a range to work from. Rankings (ie a number from 1 to 224) are not the true measure. When you start getting down to an infant mortality rate closer to a value of "1" it gets a bit more interesting to improve your numbers. It is much harder to say, improve from a 7 to a 2 rate, then it is from a 30 to a 20 rate. So yes, you are really making a comparison on a scale that, once you get below 10, is hard to improve on.

So no, I don't really think most people would agree there is a significant difference between the rate of the EU and the US. There is one, sure, but when you compare the number of undocumented immigrants we deal with the numbers are pretty good. The majority of the EU countries have much more restrictive laws and policies in place on immigration.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/20/2009 02:15AM by Registered Voter.

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