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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: November 29, 2009 11:31AM

Alias Wrote:
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> George Washington wrote:
> "Do not let any one claim to be a true American if
> they ever attempt to remove religion from
> politics."


Where did this quote come from? It sounds like far right quote mining thats taken out of context.



> Who is the madman?
>
> I hope you're in hospice care.


I don't get it. Why do you hope I'm in hospice care?

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 29, 2009 11:36AM

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"Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connexions with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked, Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

George Washington's Farewell Address, Sept. 17, 1796

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: November 29, 2009 11:52AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> > "Of all the dispositions and habits, which
> lead to political prosperity, Religion and
> Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would
> that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who
> should labor to subvert these great pillars of
> human happiness, these firmest props of the duties
> of Men and Citizens. The mere Politician, equally
> with the pious man, ought to respect and to
> cherish them. A volume could not trace all their
> connexions with private and public felicity. Let
> it simply be asked, Where is the security for
> property, for reputation, for life, if the sense
> of religious obligation desert the oaths, which
> are the instruments of investigation in Courts of
> Justice? And let us with caution indulge the
> supposition, that morality can be maintained
> without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the
> influence of refined education on minds of
> peculiar structure, reason and experience both
> forbid us to expect, that national morality can
> prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
>
> George Washington's Farewell Address, Sept. 17,
> 1796
>


All he's saying here is his hope to maintain freedom of religion, but that also means freedom from religion for those that choose not to embrace it.

Also, he says "religion and morality", as to say the people either need a true sense of morality or a religious form of it to be prosperous as a nation.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2009 11:55AM by Numbers.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 29, 2009 12:03PM

What he isn't saying is that religion = BAD. Seems to be much of the message being portrayed here quite often. He accepted various religions and atheists. He made a point to work with all of them, and accept all of them.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 29, 2009 12:04PM

Numbers Wrote:
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> Also, he says "religion and morality", as to say
> the people either need a true sense of morality or
> a religious form of it to be prosperous as a
> nation.

BS.

He didn't say religion OR morality. That is YOUR interpretation - not what he said at all. AND implies BOTH or ALL - "either" has nothing to do with what he said.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/29/2009 12:07PM by Registered Voter.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: David Yeagley ()
Date: November 29, 2009 12:45PM

"And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained
without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."

In these two sentences Washington clearly states his belief that religion and morality are inseparable and that both "reason and experience" prove that there can be no national morality without religious principle. So there it is.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Chas. ()
Date: November 29, 2009 01:32PM

That's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 29, 2009 01:33PM

Chas. Wrote:
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> That's just, like, your opinion, man.


Obviously you can't read.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: November 29, 2009 05:41PM

ThePackLeader Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Registered Voter Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Numbers Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I keep forgetting, exactly what is Glenn
> > Becks
> > > > talent?
> > > > What did he do before getting his show?
> > >
> > > He was a human being.
> > >
> > > What talent do you have? Does it matter?
> >
> >
> > Beck...OReilly...and Rush are poor examples of
> > human beings..they are cynical people who would
> > drag their country through the dirt to earn a
> > dime. Sort of like you RV...a U.S. hating
> cynical
> > scum bag.
>
>
> Yeah, because Olbermann and Maher are just so full
> of love and joy.


You didnt hear me defending them. I dont listen to any of them..ever!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Numbers ()
Date: November 29, 2009 08:57PM

David Yeagley Wrote:
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> "And let us with caution indulge the supposition,
> that morality can be maintained
> without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the
> influence of refined education on minds of
> peculiar structure, reason and experience both
> forbid us to expect, that national morality can
> prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
>
> In these two sentences Washington clearly states
> his belief that religion and morality are
> inseparable and that both "reason and experience"
> prove that there can be no national morality
> without religious principle. So there it is.


As much as I like George, he was simply wrong about this. Given the period he lived in (pre-Darwin) this can be expected to some degree.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: November 29, 2009 09:00PM

Numbers wrote:
"I don't get it. Why do you hope I'm in hospice care?"
______________________________

So, you'll soon be put out of your misery.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: November 29, 2009 09:28PM

Numbers Wrote:
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> As much as I like George, he was simply wrong
> about this. Given the period he lived in
> (pre-Darwin) this can be expected to some degree.

As Washington was actually around when they founded the country, I will put a bit more weight on his beliefs. He probably had a bit more relative perspective then we do today.

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: November 29, 2009 09:58PM

Numbers wrote:
"Im sure George, Ben, Thomas and the others would also be appalled at how religion has infiltrated the government ...."
_______________________

From Washington's Inaugural Address. Senate Chamber at Federal Hall, NYC. 1789

"Such being the impressions under which I have, in obedience to the public summons, repaired to the present station, it would be peculiarly improper to omit in this first official act my fervent supplications to that Almighty Being who rules over the universe, who presides in the councils of nations, and whose providential aids can supply every human defect, that His benediction may consecrate to the liberties and happiness of the people of the United States a Government instituted by themselves for these essential purposes, and may enable every instrument employed in its administration to execute with success the functions allotted to his charge."

When Washington finished speaking, he and the members of Congress prayed together at St. Paul's Cathedral.

http://www.revolutionary-war-and-beyond.com/george-washingtons-first-inaugural-address-april-30-1789.html

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: November 29, 2009 10:28PM

Numbers to Registered Voter:
"Apparently not to you and the hoards of white trash that take whatever he says as the gospel."
____________________

Hoards of white trash?

You're a racist.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: November 30, 2009 05:01AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Chas. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > That's just, like, your opinion, man.
>
>
> Obviously you can't read.


obviously you dont get awesome movie references...whatever, ijust want my rug back dude.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Glennn Beck ()
Date: November 30, 2009 05:51AM

If you were to have any question regarding George Washington and religion, have you ever read his 1789 Thanksgiving Day proclamation? Check it out, particularly the first sentence:

George Washington's 1789 Thanksgiving Proclamation

http://wilstar.com/holidays/wash_thanks.html

Whereas it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me to "recommend to the people of the United States a day of public thanksgiving and prayer, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"

Now, therefore, I do recommend and assign Thursday, the 26th day of November next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge; and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.

And also that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness to us), and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as He alone knows to be best.

Given under my hand, at the city of New York, the 3d day of October, A.D. 1789.
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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: ronald ()
Date: January 17, 2010 12:06AM

Would George Washington approve of religious influence on our government? Anyone who doesn't think so is just unfamiliar with his own sayings. I presume any honest person would want to know the truth, whether or not the truth conflicts with his own preference. There is a long list of George Washington Quotes here. You might be surprised at how many of them mention God, the Bible, etc.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: January 17, 2010 01:17AM

george washington was a douche, thomas jefferson was where it was at.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: January 17, 2010 01:20AM

KENNY POWERS why wasnt there a new season? i am deeply upset

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: DOODAHDAY ()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:30AM

Beck is cleaning up man he rocks. Fox news and the country loves him he was named the number 2 most interesting person in the country. Beck is a winner and exposing the marxists in this country much to their worry and anger. Way to go Glenn Beck keep up the good work and fighting the good fight. Obama and his rag tag group of marxists are fighting the bad fight that is why they are failing so miserably.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: DOODAHDAY ()
Date: February 04, 2010 11:56AM

DOODAHDAY Wrote:
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> Beck is cleaning up man he rocks. Fox news and the
> country loves him he was named the number 2 most
> interesting person in the country. Beck is a
> winner and exposing the marxists in this country
> much to their worry and anger. Way to go Glenn
> Beck keep up the good work and fighting the good
> fight. Obama and his rag tag group of marxists are
> fighting the bad fight that is why they are
> failing so miserably.

I love the way he cries on TV. It's heartwarming.

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: Regis-turd Voter ()
Date: February 04, 2010 12:06PM

DOODAH, get it?

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Re: The Beginning of the End of Glenn Beck?
Posted by: gravis was a fucking libiot ()
Date: January 25, 2016 05:41PM

GDF Vince Wrote:
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> Not the building you lib idiot, the fucking mural!


Dude loved chode

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