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"Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: lookin for Issac... ()
Date: July 30, 2009 08:05PM

"Americans are not qualified or just do not apply for cruise ship jobs", according to Royal Caribbean. I just got back from a Royal Caribbean cruise to Bermuda. I did not encounter any American employees on the ship, and asked several employees in different departments on board if they knew of any on the ship and they did not either.

I thought this a bit odd, so I called Royal Caribbean and they said for the most part Americans don't want cruise jobs or are not qualified. Since many employees working on the ship seemed to have no or very little English ability , it seems absurd that native English speakers would not be qualified over foreign applicants. I am sure the folks on the ship make low salaries in general. However, surely the unemployed in this country or college students would love to have a job with travel benefits.

Is there some reason that Royal Caribbean ( an American company) appears anti American?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 30, 2009 08:40PM

lookin for Issac... Wrote:
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> Is there some reason that Royal Caribbean ( an
> American company) appears anti American?

Because you have an agenda?

But seriously, why take a cruise if you just want to be surrounded by everyday life? Isn't it a little more interesting to see some variety? The language issue can't be too bad because my friends have never complained.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: July 30, 2009 08:45PM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> But seriously, why take a cruise if you just want
> to be surrounded by everyday life? Isn't it a
> little more interesting to see some variety? The
> language issue can't be too bad because my friends
> have never complained.

so being surrounded by 5,000 fat american tourists is a break from everyday life? if you ask me, and even if you didn't, i say its discrimination.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: fellow cruiser ()
Date: July 30, 2009 08:51PM

Hey Genevieve- who the fuck are you- the spokesperson for Royal Caribbean? Do you have a fucking agenda?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:09PM

fellow cruiser Wrote:
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> Hey Genevieve- who the fuck are you-

I think you answered your own question. I am Genevieve.

> the spokesperson for Royal Caribbean?

If so, they owe me a paycheck.

> Do you have afucking agenda?

Nah. Meetings are much more interesting when you don't know what they're about.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:13PM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> lookin for Issac... Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Is there some reason that Royal Caribbean ( an
> > American company) appears anti American?
>
> Because you have an agenda?
>
> But seriously, why take a cruise if you just want
> to be surrounded by everyday life? Isn't it a
> little more interesting to see some variety? The
> language issue can't be too bad because my friends
> have never complained.

Gen - not tryin to beat up on you here just a note - the OP was noting the issue, what they did to look into it, and then they asked a question that has some legitimacy. It is kind of odd for an American cruise company to not hire Americans. Your response was to ask if they had an agenda...

So are you implying they were asking a racist question? Just curious what you thought their agenda might be. Then you went on about your thoughts on what a cruise should be like. Which honestly had little to do with the question the OP posed.

This is starting to look like a Gates moment. Beer anyone? :)



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2009 09:14PM by Registered Voter.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:24PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Gen - not tryin to beat up on you here just a note
> - the OP was noting the issue, what they did to
> look into it, and then they asked a question that
> has some legitimacy. It is kind of odd for an
> American cruise company to not hire Americans.
> Your response was to ask if they had an agenda...

The average person would not care enough to call the company. And the response I received was extreme - obviously struck a nerve. I think that my initial impression was correct.

Tell ya what, if the OP really cares then they should just apply for a job with Royal Caribbean. Do their own research.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:27PM

I can think of better topics for an OP to post on as a troll IMHO. Seems like an awful lot of work to come up with an off the wall situation to use as troll material.

*shrug* whatever :)

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:34PM

Don't forget that Genevieve is Canadian so her heart's not in it... Where are you from, Gen, Newfoundland?

Is it true that Canadians buy their milk in bags instead of cartons or jugs?

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> I can think of better topics for an OP to post on
> as a troll IMHO. Seems like an awful lot of work
> to come up with an off the wall situation to use
> as troll material.
>
> *shrug* whatever :)

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:37PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Don't forget that Genevieve is Canadian so her
> heart's not in it... Where are you from, Gen,
> Newfoundland?

No, I was raised in what is now Nunavut.

>
> Is it true that Canadians buy their milk in bags
> instead of cartons or jugs?
>

Yes, but that is just to make sure no one mistakes it for cows milk. I wonder who thought to milk reindeer.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:41PM

So ok - I decided to do my own hunt and very interesting.

Royal Caribbean Hiring Partners
http://tuxedorentals.rccl.com/jobs/hiringmap.nsf/HiringPartners.html

The "Crew" positions are hired via hiring partners in various parts of the world. NONE are in the US.

They have job openings on their main website for higher level positions, IT Staff, Horticulturalists, Casino staff, etc - NOT deck crew - and those appear to be open to the US and Canadian folks as well as others. Most of them require licenses, management experience, etc.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 30, 2009 09:45PM

It probably has something to do with this man...

You'd never see him do that to a reindeer...

Genevieve Wrote:
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>
> Yes, but that is just to make sure no one mistakes
> it for cows milk. I wonder who thought to milk
> reindeer.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 30, 2009 10:02PM

Every cruise line..American or foreign...has a minimum of people who speak English as their first language. Cruiselines are like Wal-Mart in the sense that their customers (us) want cheap vacations...and they cant afford to hire many if any Americans and keep their prices so low.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 10:11PM

Did you actually read the OP Vince?

Quote

...
I am sure the folks on the ship make low salaries in general. However, surely the unemployed in this country or college students would love to have a job with travel benefits.
...

DUH

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 30, 2009 11:07PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Did you actually read the OP Vince?
>
>
> ...
> I am sure the folks on the ship make low salaries
> in general. However, surely the unemployed in this
> country or college students would love to have a
> job with travel benefits. .
> ...
>
>
> DUH


Well..they dont! The great job keeps them at sea for 9 months without seeing family!And work harder then they are willing to work

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 07/30/2009 11:08PM by Vince(1).

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 11:10PM

There it is - Vince speaks for all Americans. You saw it here first folks.
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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Date: July 30, 2009 11:15PM

No Americans work on cruise ships because they are shit jobs. You are basically an indentured servant for six months. You rely on tips for your pay. If passengers don't tip you, you don't make shit. American's aren't stupid enough to fall for this shit, but apparently a lot of Africans, South Americans and Australians are. They can have these shitty, shitty jobs.

Oh, and if you are going to take a cruise...tip the help. None of these companies...and I mean NONE...pay these people worth a fuck.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 30, 2009 11:17PM

Ever been in the military as an enlisted?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: July 30, 2009 11:26PM

plus you are out on international waters i dont think labor laws apply out there. they dont want a bunch of americans bitching the whole time about being overworked.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Date: July 30, 2009 11:27PM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Ever been in the military as an enlisted?


That's different. Those folks are motivated by "patriotism." What the fuck is patriotic about working on "The Disney Magic?"

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: ThePackLeader ()
Date: July 31, 2009 02:10AM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> Harry Tuttle Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Don't forget that Genevieve is Canadian so her
> > heart's not in it... Where are you from, Gen,
> > Newfoundland?
>
> No, I was raised in what is now Nunavut.
>
> >
> > Is it true that Canadians buy their milk in
> bags
> > instead of cartons or jugs?
> >
>
> Yes, but that is just to make sure no one mistakes
> it for cows milk. I wonder who thought to milk
> reindeer.


Wow, Nunavut. I heard that the Canadian government tried to wipe out the Native Quebec Huskies up around there (At least in Northern Quebec, I'm not certain if the same occurred in what is now Nunavut). What village do you hail from?

It seems like a pretty remote place, that's for sure. I might be heading up to AK, but Nunavut seems even more remote.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Genevieve ()
Date: July 31, 2009 07:30AM

ThePackLeader Wrote:

> What village do you hail from?

Resolute.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 31, 2009 09:05AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> There it is - Vince speaks for all Americans. You
> saw it here first folks.


All sane Americans! TY!

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 31, 2009 09:07AM

Vince response #452:

"I am the only sane one here!!!"
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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 31, 2009 09:11AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Vince response #452:
>
> "I am the only sane one here!!!"


And that example of a quote from me is about as accurate as anything youve ever said on here. Not even close.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 31, 2009 09:42AM

*sniff*

Sorry Vince - I should have used the proper quote:

Vince:
"I am sane dammit!!"
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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: just a thought ()
Date: July 31, 2009 10:12AM

If Genevieve fell overboard, would anyone give a shit?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: explorer ()
Date: July 31, 2009 10:58AM

Genevieve Wrote:
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> ThePackLeader Wrote:
>
> > What village do you hail from?
>
> Resolute.


I once banged a chick in the Qausuittuq Inns North while up that way. She sure kept me warm that night. Ha! good memories.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: July 31, 2009 11:35AM

lookin for Issac... Wrote:
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> "Americans are not qualified or just do not apply
> for cruise ship jobs", according to Royal
> Caribbean.
Royal Caribean is a COMPANY-it can not speak. It has a spokesperson. Did you speak this spokesperson?

I just got back from a Royal Caribbean
> cruise to Bermuda. I did not encounter any
> American employees on the ship, and asked several
> employees in different departments on board if
> they knew of any on the ship and they did not
> either.

So you banged on the door of an employee or rang the bell for the door to the engine room and said "hey, know where any Americans are?" and the people on the other side "no go away". How shocking.

> I thought this a bit odd, so I called Royal
> Caribbean and they said for the most part
> Americans don't want cruise jobs or are not
> qualified.

"They said" They who. Again, big companies have people that speak for them. Did you talk to one of these persons?

Your statement reminds me of the "I called Disney and it is true!" declaration



>Since many employees working on the
> ship seemed to have no or very little English
> ability , it seems absurd that native English
> speakers would not be qualified over foreign
> applicants.

There are many jobs on board a ship - from steering the damn thing to entertaining the passengers. You make no sence.

I am sure the folks on the ship make
> low salaries in general. However, surely the
> unemployed in this country or college students
> would love to have a job with travel benefits.

They are not looking for college students on break for the most part. All ship personnel must be trained in a bunch of stuff. Why train them when they will be going back to school in a few weeks anyway?


> Is there some reason that Royal Caribbean ( an
> American company) appears anti American?

They hire Americans. Just because you are American and they did not hire you, they are not anti-American. They are anti dumb shits.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: July 31, 2009 11:41AM

AND HERE I THOUGHT THAT ALL CRUISE SHIPS WERE LIKE THIS!



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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 31, 2009 12:00PM

Well, he did name himself "Looking for Issac" when he started the thread, so it was kind of obvious where he was coming from lol.
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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: July 31, 2009 12:09PM

hey! Bernie Koppel! WHats so FUCKING FUNNY!?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 31, 2009 03:58PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Registered Voter Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > There it is - Vince speaks for all Americans. You
> > saw it here first folks.
>
> All sane Americans! TY!


file.php?40,file=6058

oh come on vince, who are you trying to convince?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Radiophileneedsadictionary ()
Date: July 31, 2009 04:24PM

You are clearly one of the dumb shits you mention. Who the fuck taught you to spell- "sence"...


I know the ship wouldn't hire an ignorant asshole like you who can't spell or write-
"bunch of stuff" How old are you? 4

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: dianethedancer ()
Date: July 31, 2009 06:57PM

WOW- Radiophile certainly is a know- it -all about the cruise industry.

Since I worked for 3 summers as a dancer on Carnival cruises during college, I will add my insights to this discussion.

Many workers are foreign on the ships and the break down from my perspective was typically the following- the Asians worked in the photo shop, Indians worked in customer relations, Africans cleaned the rooms. From my understanding, the cruise lines are non union- so maybe that's why few Americans are hired for service positions, not sure. I can't say whether Royal Caribbean is anti American, but it is true that many foreigners are hired. The main thing about this was that many times I would hear passengers complain that they couldn't understand the workers. Also, a lot of the workers were related or friends- if an Indian chick was hired in customer service as a manager, she tended to hire other Indians. However, I got my job through a friend though too.

Most of the entertainers (singers, dancers, etc.) are predominantly college students- I am not sure why Radiophile thinks so much training is involved- it doesn't take a lot to learn a few dance numbers or training to clean a cabin.
Anyway, a few people stated the money was low and that's true. But it was a fun time and I got to travel to a lot of places.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: August 01, 2009 04:24AM

were you the strip kind of dancer or the stupid kind?

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: dianethedancer ()
Date: August 01, 2009 09:19AM

Poor KennyP- you sound like you haven't been laid in a while.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Date: August 01, 2009 09:26AM

Registered Voter Wrote:
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> Well, he did name himself "Looking for Issac" when
> he started the thread, so it was kind of obvious
> where he was coming from lol.


Last cruise I went on, the Captain Stuebing was Brazilian, Gopher was Liberian, the Doctor was Sri Lankan, Isaac was Moldovan and Julie was an Australian man.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 01, 2009 05:36PM

dianethedancer Wrote:
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> WOW- Radiophile certainly is a know- it -all about
> the cruise industry.
>
> Since I worked for 3 summers as a dancer on
> Carnival cruises during college, I will add my
> insights to this discussion.
>
> Many workers are foreign on the ships and the
> break down from my perspective was typically the
> following- the Asians worked in the photo shop,
> Indians worked in customer relations, Africans
> cleaned the rooms. From my understanding, the
> cruise lines are non union- so maybe that's why
> few Americans are hired for service positions, not
> sure. I can't say whether Royal Caribbean is anti
> American, but it is true that many foreigners are
> hired. The main thing about this was that many
> times I would hear passengers complain that they
> couldn't understand the workers. Also, a lot of
> the workers were related or friends- if an Indian
> chick was hired in customer service as a manager,
> she tended to hire other Indians. However, I got
> my job through a friend though too.
>
> Most of the entertainers (singers, dancers, etc.)
> are predominantly college students- I am not sure
> why Radiophile thinks so much training is
> involved- it doesn't take a lot to learn a few
> dance numbers or training to clean a cabin.
> Anyway, a few people stated the money was low and
> that's true. But it was a fun time and I got to
> travel to a lot of places.

You fail to see my point - not surprising Miss Dancer on a Floating Mattress.
You have great job skills. Dancer on a cruise ship is the equivalent to being a show girl for Ringling Brothers. And we all know how lady-like those girls act when off stage.

So I call Bullshit on you and your anonymous post. All ship board employees are required by US Coast Guard and many other rules and regulations to attend safety training. This in-depth training is usually a couple of 10 hours days where the employees (even the whorish dancers) learn all about safety issues on the ship including their stations they are to man in an emergency. Sorry lady, a few "dance steps" doesn't cut it.

But I go back to my original point. The original poster ( an anonymous poster just like you, hmmmmmm) said he called the cruise line and "they said".... This I call bullshit as well.

By the way, you are both American citizens so I called the FBI and they said the original poster and Dianne the slutty dancer are both the same person and is an idiot. This must be true. I called them and they said so. So there!

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: August 01, 2009 05:50PM

It's because the vast majority of ships are flying a "flag of convince" for a country that has much less regulation than the US. Go to any port and count the number of ships flying Panamanian or Liberian flags. 99% of cargo and cruise ships are not registered in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

Most of the crews are entirely foreign anyway and get paid Jack Shit (maybe some Eastern Europeans working for the summer on the higher end lines), but most Filipinos etc.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: loveboatfan ()
Date: August 01, 2009 06:51PM

Why is Radiophile so uptight about this issue? You certainly seem to spend a lot of time on this topic-

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: loveboatfan2 ()
Date: August 01, 2009 07:16PM

"slutty dancer/whorish dancer" Sounds like somebody didn't get lucky on the high seas!

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Radiophile ()
Date: August 01, 2009 07:39PM

loveboatfan Wrote:
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> Why is Radiophile so uptight about this issue? You
> certainly seem to spend a lot of time on this
> topic-


I have commented twice. Far less than you and your whorish alter-ego dancer identitiy.

Poster by Mofo:
It's because the vast majority of ships are flying a "flag of convince" for a country that has much less regulation than the US. Go to any port and count the number of ships flying Panamanian or Liberian flags. 99% of cargo and cruise ships are not registered in the US.

[en.wikipedia.org]

My Mofo, while what you say is true - it has very little to do with what we are discussing.

From the Consumeraffairs.com:

Today, nearly all the ocean cruise lines employ passenger ships registered under flags of various foreign countries. (Note: The law requires that cruise-ship advertising in the U.S. disclose the country of registry.) Each ship is subject to the vessel inspection laws of the country in which it is registered. However, as a condition of permitting the vessels to take on passengers at U.S. ports, the U.S. Coast Guard requires the ships to meet the International Convention for the Safety of Life at Sea (referred to as SOLAS.) SOLAS and other international regulations also require compliance with stringent regulations regarding structural fire protection, firefighting and lifesaving equipment, watercraft integrity and stability, vessel control, navigation safety, crewing and crew competency, safety management and environmental protection

Read more: http://www.consumeraffairs.com/travel/cruise_factsheet.html#ixzz0MyfjtjW3

So the crew, including whorish dancers, must be trained on what to do in an emergency.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: dianethedancer ()
Date: August 01, 2009 08:15PM

He is right. I am whorish. And I am really a man! Shhhhhh

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: Mofo ()
Date: August 01, 2009 10:18PM

I'm not saying that other flagged ships don't have to be trained in safety protocol. I thought the topic was about Americans not applying or being qualified to do this? I bet it's because 99% of these crews are paid absolute peanuts under the minimum wage of Liberia, et al. thus 99% of Ameicans don't apply. I'm sure there are plenty of qualified people in America that can work on a cruise ship, especially all the ex navy and coast guard personnel.



Radiophile Wrote:
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> loveboatfan Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Why is Radiophile so uptight about this issue?
> You
> > certainly seem to spend a lot of time on this
> > topic-
>
>
> I have commented twice. Far less than you and your
> whorish alter-ego dancer identitiy.
>
> Poster by Mofo:
> It's because the vast majority of ships are flying
> a "flag of convince" for a country that has much
> less regulation than the US. Go to any port and
> count the number of ships flying Panamanian or
> Liberian flags. 99% of cargo and cruise ships are
> not registered in the US.
>
>
>
> My Mofo, while what you say is true - it has very
> little to do with what we are discussing.
>
> From the Consumeraffairs.com:
>
> Today, nearly all the ocean cruise lines employ
> passenger ships registered under flags of various
> foreign countries. (Note: The law requires that
> cruise-ship advertising in the U.S. disclose the
> country of registry.) Each ship is subject to the
> vessel inspection laws of the country in which it
> is registered. However, as a condition of
> permitting the vessels to take on passengers at
> U.S. ports, the U.S. Coast Guard requires the
> ships to meet the International Convention for the
> Safety of Life at Sea (referred to as SOLAS.)
> SOLAS and other international regulations also
> require compliance with stringent regulations
> regarding structural fire protection, firefighting
> and lifesaving equipment, watercraft integrity and
> stability, vessel control, navigation safety,
> crewing and crew competency, safety management and
> environmental protection
>
> Read more:
> http://www.consumeraffairs.com/travel/cruise_facts
> heet.html#ixzz0MyfjtjW3
>
> So the crew, including whorish dancers, must be
> trained on what to do in an emergency.

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Re: "Americans not qualified..."
Posted by: toofunny ()
Date: August 02, 2009 10:20AM

sounds to me like someone has a small dick and couldn't get it on with a "whorish" cruise dancer- get over it- you're sounding like a real loser- but it is so funny to read your angry rants- hahahahaha

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