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Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
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17 and dating
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Date: May 05, 2016 05:00PM
I'm 17 and dating this older guy. Everyone is afraid that one day I'll just disappear and they'll find my body in the woods or something, but he isn't like that. He's kind and sweet. I know him from when I was younger, and my dad and his dad were really close. People just don't trust me, even though I have told them nothing but the full truth from the start. I'm happy and want them to accept our loving relationship. What should I do to win them over?
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
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6yPYw
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Date: May 05, 2016 05:02PM
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Posted by:
17
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Date: May 05, 2016 05:08PM
Wot?
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
dungeon smash
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Date: May 05, 2016 08:24PM
how much older is he OP
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
17
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Date: May 05, 2016 09:29PM
Not too much older. He's 28. It's not like he's over 30 or something.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
9C4WH
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Date: May 06, 2016 06:05AM
17 and dating Wrote:
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> I'm 17 and dating this older guy. Everyone is
> afraid that one day I'll just disappear and
> they'll find my body in the woods or something,
> but he isn't like that. He's kind and sweet.
that's what all the dead girls in the woods say
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> I'm 17 and dating this older guy. Everyone is
> afraid that one day I'll just disappear and
> they'll find my body in the woods or something,
> but he isn't like that. He's kind and sweet.
that's what all the dead girls in the woods say
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
Hpbh7
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:06AM
17 and dating Wrote:
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> What should I
> do to win them over?
get a job and move out
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> What should I
> do to win them over?
get a job and move out
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
pro tip
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Date: May 06, 2016 07:21AM
I will only say this-
If the older man has no place to move you into (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not have a car to come pick you up and take you wherever you want to go, and does not have any money (aka asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
Signed, someone who had a child with an older man (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for child support 10 years later.
If the older man has no place to move you into (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not have a car to come pick you up and take you wherever you want to go, and does not have any money (aka asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
Signed, someone who had a child with an older man (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for child support 10 years later.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
pro tip
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Date: May 06, 2016 07:28AM
Let me also add:
Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17) instead of a woman his own age?
Because the women his age see through his bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced when it comes to these games men play!)
PLEASE think on this!
AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them are.
Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17) instead of a woman his own age?
Because the women his age see through his bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced when it comes to these games men play!)
PLEASE think on this!
AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them are.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
Bitter clinger
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:20AM
Bitter clinger Wrote:
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> I will only say this-
>
> If the older man has no place to move you into
> (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not have
> a car to come pick you up and take you wherever
> you want to go, and does not have any money (aka
> asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
>
> TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
>
> IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO
> ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
>
> Signed, someone who had a child with an older man
> (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for
> child support 10 years later.
Bitter clinger Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let me also add:
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17) instead
> of a woman his own age?
> Because the women his age see through his bullshit.
> They already know he is worthless, so he is picking
> on younger, more naive girls who don't know better.
> (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced when it
> comes to these games men play!)
> PLEASE think on this!
> AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers
> out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
> Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them are.
Look, Sweety, the hard fact is: You played the game and you lost.
I, too played with the young stuff in my mid-20s. AT 26, I knocked-up an 18 year old (she was straight outta high school... Delicious!).
Lucky for me, she was weak-willed and our "problem" was solved by a $250 D&C.
Who knows, maybe the OP will have better luck than you did...
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> I will only say this-
>
> If the older man has no place to move you into
> (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not have
> a car to come pick you up and take you wherever
> you want to go, and does not have any money (aka
> asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
>
> TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
>
> IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO
> ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
>
> Signed, someone who had a child with an older man
> (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for
> child support 10 years later.
Bitter clinger Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Let me also add:
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17) instead
> of a woman his own age?
> Because the women his age see through his bullshit.
> They already know he is worthless, so he is picking
> on younger, more naive girls who don't know better.
> (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced when it
> comes to these games men play!)
> PLEASE think on this!
> AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers
> out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
> Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them are.
Look, Sweety, the hard fact is: You played the game and you lost.
I, too played with the young stuff in my mid-20s. AT 26, I knocked-up an 18 year old (she was straight outta high school... Delicious!).
Lucky for me, she was weak-willed and our "problem" was solved by a $250 D&C.
Who knows, maybe the OP will have better luck than you did...
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
NippleChuck
()
Date: May 06, 2016 09:36AM
OP please post photos of your self so we may judge if responding is worth our time or not. Thanks
Nip
Nip
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
pro tip
()
Date: May 06, 2016 09:40AM
Bitter clinger Wrote:
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> Bitter clinger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I will only say this-
> >
> > If the older man has no place to move you into
> > (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not
> have
> > a car to come pick you up and take you wherever
> > you want to go, and does not have any money
> (aka
> > asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
> >
> > TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
> >
> > IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO
> > ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
> >
> > Signed, someone who had a child with an older
> man
> > (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for
> > child support 10 years later.
>
>
> Bitter clinger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let me also add:
>
> > Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead
> > of a woman his own age?
>
> > Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit.
> > They already know he is worthless, so he is
> picking
> > on younger, more naive girls who don't know
> better.
> > (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced
> when it
> > comes to these games men play!)
>
> > PLEASE think on this!
>
> > AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male
> losers
> > out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> > threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
>
> > Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them
> are.
>
> Look, Sweety, the hard fact is: You played the
> game and you lost.
>
> I, too played with the young stuff in my mid-20s.
> AT 26, I knocked-up an 18 year old (she was
> straight outta high school... Delicious!).
>
> Lucky for me, she was weak-willed and our
> "problem" was solved by a $250 D&C.
>
> Who knows, maybe the OP will have better luck than
> you did...
See, the problem is, I was at the DOOR to the abortion clinic. He BEGGED me to NOT get the abortion and promised me to "man-up" for us. He was a church-going man, and all of a sudden "got holy" when the protestors were outside the clinic that day.
He gets +10 for PHYSICALLY being around his kid. I need him to watch the kid so I can have a break once in awhile, he will pick kid up. I give him that. He only comes through maybe 2-3 weekends a YEAR, so better than nothing, I guess.
He gets -100 for not offering ANY financial help, I raised our kid on my OWN finances. Diapers, milk, Shoes, school supplies, tutors, class trips, toys, meals out, chuck e cheese, I paid for all of it. He gave me not one penny- and he owes OUR KID $19,191 as of right now. I will probably never see it. It's ok I got our kid. They won't starve or go homeless that is for sure!
But it all boils down to-
Damned if I do (if I got the abortion, I would have been chastised by Christians and other religious people calling me a sinner),
....damned if i don't (I kept my kid, did the church help me at all? Once the baby was here, NOPE!).
I can't complain, my kid is excellent and is not a problem at all, i am adjusting fine to being a single mother.
But I will confess here on FFU- I wish I had gotten the abortion, then I would not still be dealing with their shitty ass father. A man of all talk but no action. Talking like he is "big daddy" but won't do SHIT to help his kid do homework (all on me) or make sure they even ate that day. All show, no go.
GO ahead, flame me if you wish. YES I MADE A MISTAKE CHOOSING THE WRONG PERSON. I admit that. But I can't complain he didn't do for me and his child what he said he WOULD? THIS is why I am angry.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Bitter clinger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I will only say this-
> >
> > If the older man has no place to move you into
> > (HIS apartment, condo, or house) or does not
> have
> > a car to come pick you up and take you wherever
> > you want to go, and does not have any money
> (aka
> > asks YOU for money all the time)- LEAVE.
> >
> > TL;DR- If he has no cash, car, or crib, LEAVE.
> >
> > IT IS NOT WORTH IT TO DATE AN OLDER MAN WITH NO
> > ASSETS. NO MATTER WHAT THEIR AGE.
> >
> > Signed, someone who had a child with an older
> man
> > (I was 19, he was 28) and is still fighting for
> > child support 10 years later.
>
>
> Bitter clinger Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Let me also add:
>
> > Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead
> > of a woman his own age?
>
> > Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit.
> > They already know he is worthless, so he is
> picking
> > on younger, more naive girls who don't know
> better.
> > (NOT saying you are dumb, just inexperienced
> when it
> > comes to these games men play!)
>
> > PLEASE think on this!
>
> > AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male
> losers
> > out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> > threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
>
> > Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them
> are.
>
> Look, Sweety, the hard fact is: You played the
> game and you lost.
>
> I, too played with the young stuff in my mid-20s.
> AT 26, I knocked-up an 18 year old (she was
> straight outta high school... Delicious!).
>
> Lucky for me, she was weak-willed and our
> "problem" was solved by a $250 D&C.
>
> Who knows, maybe the OP will have better luck than
> you did...
See, the problem is, I was at the DOOR to the abortion clinic. He BEGGED me to NOT get the abortion and promised me to "man-up" for us. He was a church-going man, and all of a sudden "got holy" when the protestors were outside the clinic that day.
He gets +10 for PHYSICALLY being around his kid. I need him to watch the kid so I can have a break once in awhile, he will pick kid up. I give him that. He only comes through maybe 2-3 weekends a YEAR, so better than nothing, I guess.
He gets -100 for not offering ANY financial help, I raised our kid on my OWN finances. Diapers, milk, Shoes, school supplies, tutors, class trips, toys, meals out, chuck e cheese, I paid for all of it. He gave me not one penny- and he owes OUR KID $19,191 as of right now. I will probably never see it. It's ok I got our kid. They won't starve or go homeless that is for sure!
But it all boils down to-
Damned if I do (if I got the abortion, I would have been chastised by Christians and other religious people calling me a sinner),
....damned if i don't (I kept my kid, did the church help me at all? Once the baby was here, NOPE!).
I can't complain, my kid is excellent and is not a problem at all, i am adjusting fine to being a single mother.
But I will confess here on FFU- I wish I had gotten the abortion, then I would not still be dealing with their shitty ass father. A man of all talk but no action. Talking like he is "big daddy" but won't do SHIT to help his kid do homework (all on me) or make sure they even ate that day. All show, no go.
GO ahead, flame me if you wish. YES I MADE A MISTAKE CHOOSING THE WRONG PERSON. I admit that. But I can't complain he didn't do for me and his child what he said he WOULD? THIS is why I am angry.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
17
()
Date: May 06, 2016 09:52AM
NippleChuck Wrote:
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> OP please post photos of your self so we may judge
> if responding is worth our time or not. Thanks
>
> Nip
Um, no. I know what kind of pervs are on this site.
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> OP please post photos of your self so we may judge
> if responding is worth our time or not. Thanks
>
> Nip
Um, no. I know what kind of pervs are on this site.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
Bitter clinger
()
Date: May 06, 2016 12:35PM
pro tip Wrote:
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> See, the problem is, I was at the DOOR to the
> abortion clinic. He BEGGED me to NOT get the
> abortion and promised me to "man-up" for us. He
> was a church-going man, and all of a sudden "got
> holy" when the protestors were outside the clinic
> that day.
Being on the opposite side of the equation, this is what is realized / foresaw once I learned my teen was prego:
1) She's not trust-worthy (heard "I spent the night at a 'friend's house'" a few too many times). Hell, I'm not 100% sure that I knocked her up! So, there's no way I want to marry her.
2) If she has the child, I'm on the hook for child support, etc. Plus, assuming I'd love the child, then she's got something to withhold from me (at least for a while).
So, I talk her into the D&C. Our 'relationship' falls apart shortly thereafter (as I expected that it would). She moves away, and that's that.
PS - You wrote, "...or make sure they even ate that day." How many children for you have? Is Big Daddy the father of each?
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> See, the problem is, I was at the DOOR to the
> abortion clinic. He BEGGED me to NOT get the
> abortion and promised me to "man-up" for us. He
> was a church-going man, and all of a sudden "got
> holy" when the protestors were outside the clinic
> that day.
Being on the opposite side of the equation, this is what is realized / foresaw once I learned my teen was prego:
1) She's not trust-worthy (heard "I spent the night at a 'friend's house'" a few too many times). Hell, I'm not 100% sure that I knocked her up! So, there's no way I want to marry her.
2) If she has the child, I'm on the hook for child support, etc. Plus, assuming I'd love the child, then she's got something to withhold from me (at least for a while).
So, I talk her into the D&C. Our 'relationship' falls apart shortly thereafter (as I expected that it would). She moves away, and that's that.
PS - You wrote, "...or make sure they even ate that day." How many children for you have? Is Big Daddy the father of each?
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
dungeon smash
()
Date: May 06, 2016 12:36PM
17 Wrote:
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> Not too much older. He's 28. It's not like he's
> over 30 or something.
i'm 27 and i have to admit, i've been tempted to date girls who are about 18. i haven't, because personally i think i wouldn't have enough in common with them to make it worthwhile, and it also makes me feel a little creepy. however, i think if it works for you two and you're both happy, caring and responsible then i don't really see any problem with it.
just be careful like some of the other posters said itt. i just wish i knew half the stuff at 17 that i do now - i probably would have made a lot of different choices. my grandma got knocked up at 17 by a guy who was about 30, and it ruined her life. she ended up marrying him (and having my mom), but he was abusive and cheated on her all the time. with the age gap as it is, this guy is probably going to have a lot of power and influence over you - after all, he's got 11 years more experience at life! don't get so caught up in him that you forget who YOU are - a special and unique person.
best of luck op. also don't take the trolls too seriously
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> Not too much older. He's 28. It's not like he's
> over 30 or something.
i'm 27 and i have to admit, i've been tempted to date girls who are about 18. i haven't, because personally i think i wouldn't have enough in common with them to make it worthwhile, and it also makes me feel a little creepy. however, i think if it works for you two and you're both happy, caring and responsible then i don't really see any problem with it.
just be careful like some of the other posters said itt. i just wish i knew half the stuff at 17 that i do now - i probably would have made a lot of different choices. my grandma got knocked up at 17 by a guy who was about 30, and it ruined her life. she ended up marrying him (and having my mom), but he was abusive and cheated on her all the time. with the age gap as it is, this guy is probably going to have a lot of power and influence over you - after all, he's got 11 years more experience at life! don't get so caught up in him that you forget who YOU are - a special and unique person.
best of luck op. also don't take the trolls too seriously
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
threnrg
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:11PM
pro tip Wrote:
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> Let me also add:
>
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead of a woman his own age?
>
> Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he
> is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't
> know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just
> inexperienced when it comes to these games men
> play!)
You're full of shit. Men date younger women because younger women are better looking, aren't bitter, and love to have fun.
Now go back to your cats.
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> Let me also add:
>
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead of a woman his own age?
>
> Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he
> is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't
> know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just
> inexperienced when it comes to these games men
> play!)
You're full of shit. Men date younger women because younger women are better looking, aren't bitter, and love to have fun.
Now go back to your cats.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
17
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:21PM
dungeon smash Wrote:
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> 17 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not too much older. He's 28. It's not like he's
> > over 30 or something.
>
>
> i'm 27 and i have to admit, i've been tempted to
> date girls who are about 18. i haven't, because
> personally i think i wouldn't have enough in
> common with them to make it worthwhile, and it
> also makes me feel a little creepy. however, i
> think if it works for you two and you're both
> happy, caring and responsible then i don't really
> see any problem with it.
>
> just be careful like some of the other posters
> said itt. i just wish i knew half the stuff at 17
> that i do now - i probably would have made a lot
> of different choices. my grandma got knocked up
> at 17 by a guy who was about 30, and it ruined her
> life. she ended up marrying him (and having my
> mom), but he was abusive and cheated on her all
> the time. with the age gap as it is, this guy is
> probably going to have a lot of power and
> influence over you - after all, he's got 11 years
> more experience at life! don't get so caught up
> in him that you forget who YOU are - a special and
> unique person.
>
> best of luck op. also don't take the trolls too
> seriously
Thanks. I'll take your advice. Especially on the trolls. I knew there would be some of that on this site, but hoped to get some honest responses like yours.
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> 17 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not too much older. He's 28. It's not like he's
> > over 30 or something.
>
>
> i'm 27 and i have to admit, i've been tempted to
> date girls who are about 18. i haven't, because
> personally i think i wouldn't have enough in
> common with them to make it worthwhile, and it
> also makes me feel a little creepy. however, i
> think if it works for you two and you're both
> happy, caring and responsible then i don't really
> see any problem with it.
>
> just be careful like some of the other posters
> said itt. i just wish i knew half the stuff at 17
> that i do now - i probably would have made a lot
> of different choices. my grandma got knocked up
> at 17 by a guy who was about 30, and it ruined her
> life. she ended up marrying him (and having my
> mom), but he was abusive and cheated on her all
> the time. with the age gap as it is, this guy is
> probably going to have a lot of power and
> influence over you - after all, he's got 11 years
> more experience at life! don't get so caught up
> in him that you forget who YOU are - a special and
> unique person.
>
> best of luck op. also don't take the trolls too
> seriously
Thanks. I'll take your advice. Especially on the trolls. I knew there would be some of that on this site, but hoped to get some honest responses like yours.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
Big Dick
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:23PM
If he has a big cock and satisfies you, that's all that matters. The rest can piss off and go fuck themselves.
Re: Dating an older man. Friends and family don't understand
Posted by:
17
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:26PM
pro tip Wrote:
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> Let me also add:
>
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead of a woman his own age?
>
> Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he
> is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't
> know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just
> inexperienced when it comes to these games men
> play!)
>
> PLEASE think on this!
>
> AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers
> out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
>
> Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them
> are.
Early in our relationship I asked him exactly why he's not with someone his age. Like you, I was curious too. He said all the women he'd dated around his age were looking to get married quick and settle down. They knew time was working against them and would rush him into a decision. He told me that after a while he got wary of even going on dates with women his age because he knew where it would lead. He was just looking for someone to have fun, enjoy life, and if the magic was there, then the relationship would advance.
He wasn't necessarily looking for someone my age. In fact, we'd known each other as friends for a while because our father's were (are) friends. So things just kind of happened naturally and progressed.
And yes, I do use birth control. I have no desire to have kids any time soon. One day I hope, but not any time soon.
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> Let me also add:
>
> Why do you think he is with YOU (at only 17)
> instead of a woman his own age?
>
> Because the women his age see through his
> bullshit. They already know he is worthless, so he
> is picking on younger, more naive girls who don't
> know better. (NOT saying you are dumb, just
> inexperienced when it comes to these games men
> play!)
>
> PLEASE think on this!
>
> AND DO TAKE BIRTH CONTROL! These older male losers
> out here LOVE to knock up young girls when they
> threaten to leave, ask me how I know :(
>
> Also look up the term- NARCISSIST. A lot of them
> are.
Early in our relationship I asked him exactly why he's not with someone his age. Like you, I was curious too. He said all the women he'd dated around his age were looking to get married quick and settle down. They knew time was working against them and would rush him into a decision. He told me that after a while he got wary of even going on dates with women his age because he knew where it would lead. He was just looking for someone to have fun, enjoy life, and if the magic was there, then the relationship would advance.
He wasn't necessarily looking for someone my age. In fact, we'd known each other as friends for a while because our father's were (are) friends. So things just kind of happened naturally and progressed.
And yes, I do use birth control. I have no desire to have kids any time soon. One day I hope, but not any time soon.