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Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Hipster Hell
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Date: May 05, 2016 04:03PM
FDA Announces Rule To Ban 99 Percent Of E-Cigarettes
10:28 AM 05/05/2016
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) published long-awaited rules Thursday that could ban 99 percent of e-cigarette products and wreck industry innovation for years to come.
Passed in 2009, the Tobacco Control Act says all e-cigarette products released after February 15, 2007, (predicate date) will have to go through the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA). FDA officials claim they cannot change the predicate date.
The PMTA is ruinously expensive and can cost millions of dollars per product and by the FDA’s own admission will take more than 1,700 hours for an applicant to complete.
Since almost all vapor products on the market were released after February 2007, hardly any will avoid a PMTA and almost no businesses, with the exception of big tobacco companies, will be able to bear the regulatory burden.
“The agency’s economic analysis of the rule predicts that the cost of such approvals will be so high that approximately 99 percent of products on the market will not even be put through the application process,” says the American Vaping Association (AVA).
The rules usher in a new era of federal regulation, with sales of vapor products to those under the age of 18 banned nationwide. Most states had already passed laws banning e-cigarette sales to minors.
“This final rule is a foundational step that enables the FDA to regulate products young people were using at alarming rates, like e-cigarettes, cigars and hookah tobacco, that had gone largely unregulated,” Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, said in a press release. The FDA will now set industry standards for manufacturing and labeling. The rules will take effect in 90 days.
10:28 AM 05/05/2016
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) published long-awaited rules Thursday that could ban 99 percent of e-cigarette products and wreck industry innovation for years to come.
Passed in 2009, the Tobacco Control Act says all e-cigarette products released after February 15, 2007, (predicate date) will have to go through the Pre-Market Tobacco Applications process (PMTA). FDA officials claim they cannot change the predicate date.
The PMTA is ruinously expensive and can cost millions of dollars per product and by the FDA’s own admission will take more than 1,700 hours for an applicant to complete.
Since almost all vapor products on the market were released after February 2007, hardly any will avoid a PMTA and almost no businesses, with the exception of big tobacco companies, will be able to bear the regulatory burden.
“The agency’s economic analysis of the rule predicts that the cost of such approvals will be so high that approximately 99 percent of products on the market will not even be put through the application process,” says the American Vaping Association (AVA).
The rules usher in a new era of federal regulation, with sales of vapor products to those under the age of 18 banned nationwide. Most states had already passed laws banning e-cigarette sales to minors.
“This final rule is a foundational step that enables the FDA to regulate products young people were using at alarming rates, like e-cigarettes, cigars and hookah tobacco, that had gone largely unregulated,” Mitch Zeller, director of the FDA’s Center for Tobacco Products, said in a press release. The FDA will now set industry standards for manufacturing and labeling. The rules will take effect in 90 days.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Joe Camel
()
Date: May 05, 2016 04:07PM
Funny how they claim to want to get smokers to quit and yet when the best alternative in a generation comes along, one that could save millions from misery, they kill it because of the prudish, puritan ways. So sad America.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
FIFY
()
Date: May 05, 2016 04:09PM
Joe Camel Wrote:
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> Funny how they claim to want to get smokers to
> quit and yet when the best alternative in a
> generation comes along, one that could save
> millions from misery, they kill it because of the
>prudish, puritan progressive nanny state ways.
> So sad America.
^ FIFY
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> Funny how they claim to want to get smokers to
> quit and yet when the best alternative in a
> generation comes along, one that could save
> millions from misery, they kill it because of the
>
> So sad America.
^ FIFY
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 05, 2016 04:19PM
Vapers won't stand for this. Stock up on pure nicotine. Everything else can't be regulated. It's like trying to regulate a mixed drink and not being able to regulate it's different flavors.
Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA has been reviewing this for years.
Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA has been reviewing this for years.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
LXnwm
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Date: May 05, 2016 04:29PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Vapers won't stand for this. Stock up on pure
> nicotine. Everything else can't be regulated. It's
> like trying to regulate a mixed drink and not
> being able to regulate it's different flavors.
>
> Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA
> has been reviewing this for years.
Bullshit.
"The FDA announced a plan to regulate e-cigarettes two years ago, but these are the first concrete regulations issued. The new rules affect not only e-cigarettes but more traditional tobacco products, including cigars, pipe tobacco and hookah tobacco."
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> Vapers won't stand for this. Stock up on pure
> nicotine. Everything else can't be regulated. It's
> like trying to regulate a mixed drink and not
> being able to regulate it's different flavors.
>
> Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA
> has been reviewing this for years.
Bullshit.
"The FDA announced a plan to regulate e-cigarettes two years ago, but these are the first concrete regulations issued. The new rules affect not only e-cigarettes but more traditional tobacco products, including cigars, pipe tobacco and hookah tobacco."
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Sylvia Burwell @SecBurwell
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Date: May 05, 2016 04:30PM
Historic step will help improve public health & protect future generations from the dangers of tobacco.
9:20 AM 5 May 2016
9:20 AM 5 May 2016
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
We need common sense E-Cig laws!
()
Date: May 05, 2016 04:32PM
Burwell called the regulations "common sense" actions to protect children from tobacco products.
"As a nation we have agreed for many years that nicotine does not belong in the hands of children," Burwell said during today's new conference. "Progress has been made but the context has changed, we owe it to ourselves to do better."
Zeller said his group is working with state officials on plans to enforce the ban on sales to those under 18 and that they will "hit the ground running."
"As a nation we have agreed for many years that nicotine does not belong in the hands of children," Burwell said during today's new conference. "Progress has been made but the context has changed, we owe it to ourselves to do better."
Zeller said his group is working with state officials on plans to enforce the ban on sales to those under 18 and that they will "hit the ground running."
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: May 05, 2016 05:06PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Vapers won't stand for this. Stock up on pure
> nicotine. Everything else can't be regulated. It's
> like trying to regulate a mixed drink and not
> being able to regulate it's different flavors.
>
> Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA
> has been reviewing this for years.
Did anyone else hear the sound of Gerry's head imploding?
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> Vapers won't stand for this. Stock up on pure
> nicotine. Everything else can't be regulated. It's
> like trying to regulate a mixed drink and not
> being able to regulate it's different flavors.
>
> Has nothing to do with Obama administration. FDA
> has been reviewing this for years.
Did anyone else hear the sound of Gerry's head imploding?
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Joe Camel
()
Date: May 05, 2016 05:08PM
Sylvia Burwell @SecBurwell Wrote:
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> Historic step will help improve public health &
> protect future generations from the dangers of
> tobacco.
>
> 9:20 AM 5 May 2016
How does protect people from the dangers of tobacco when many people using e-cigs -- and all of the ones that I personally know -- replaced actual tobacco products with e-cigs?
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> Historic step will help improve public health &
> protect future generations from the dangers of
> tobacco.
>
> 9:20 AM 5 May 2016
How does protect people from the dangers of tobacco when many people using e-cigs -- and all of the ones that I personally know -- replaced actual tobacco products with e-cigs?
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 05, 2016 05:12PM
They can't regulate shit. They're going to learn the hard way. This is a process the government is going to go through on this. If they make it too difficult for independent vendors to meet safety regulations they will create an unnecessary work around illicit market. People will just sell the flavors of their juice separately. Just mix them once they get to you. They going to ban food flavorings?
Big tobacco can't corner this shit. I'm not worried about it. They are just trying to create a standard for its production which is a good thing. As long as they don't over do it to drive mom and pop shops out of business who built the industry.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2016 05:13PM by Gerrymanderer2.
Big tobacco can't corner this shit. I'm not worried about it. They are just trying to create a standard for its production which is a good thing. As long as they don't over do it to drive mom and pop shops out of business who built the industry.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/05/2016 05:13PM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Common sense e-cig reform
()
Date: May 05, 2016 05:50PM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> They can't regulate shit. They're going to learn
> the hard way. This is a process the government is
> going to go through on this. If they make it too
> difficult for independent vendors to meet safety
> regulations they will create an unnecessary work
> around illicit market. People will just sell the
> flavors of their juice separately. Just mix them
> once they get to you. They going to ban food
> flavorings?
>
> Big tobacco can't corner this shit. I'm not
> worried about it. They are just trying to create
> a standard for its production which is a good
> thing. As long as they don't over do it to drive
> mom and pop shops out of business who built the
> industry.
It's science Gerry.
We need common sense e-cig reform.
You don't want e-cigs getting into the hands of the wrong people do you?
Think of the children.
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> They can't regulate shit. They're going to learn
> the hard way. This is a process the government is
> going to go through on this. If they make it too
> difficult for independent vendors to meet safety
> regulations they will create an unnecessary work
> around illicit market. People will just sell the
> flavors of their juice separately. Just mix them
> once they get to you. They going to ban food
> flavorings?
>
> Big tobacco can't corner this shit. I'm not
> worried about it. They are just trying to create
> a standard for its production which is a good
> thing. As long as they don't over do it to drive
> mom and pop shops out of business who built the
> industry.
It's science Gerry.
We need common sense e-cig reform.
You don't want e-cigs getting into the hands of the wrong people do you?
Think of the children.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Thanks for saving us Obama
()
Date: May 05, 2016 06:04PM
Joe Camel Wrote:
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> Sylvia Burwell @SecBurwell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Historic step will help improve public health &
> > protect future generations from the dangers of
> > tobacco.
> >
> > 9:20 AM 5 May 2016
>
>
> How does protect people from the dangers of
> tobacco when many people using e-cigs -- and all
> of the ones that I personally know -- replaced
> actual tobacco products with e-cigs?
Because it typical progressive libtard regulator fashion the regs are written in a very broad way that goes beyond e-cigs in particular to regulate nicotine and nicotine delivery devices more generally including e-cigs, pipe and hookah tobacco, cigars, etc., in order to protect us from the dangers of nicotine addiction.
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> Sylvia Burwell @SecBurwell Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Historic step will help improve public health &
> > protect future generations from the dangers of
> > tobacco.
> >
> > 9:20 AM 5 May 2016
>
>
> How does protect people from the dangers of
> tobacco when many people using e-cigs -- and all
> of the ones that I personally know -- replaced
> actual tobacco products with e-cigs?
Because it typical progressive libtard regulator fashion the regs are written in a very broad way that goes beyond e-cigs in particular to regulate nicotine and nicotine delivery devices more generally including e-cigs, pipe and hookah tobacco, cigars, etc., in order to protect us from the dangers of nicotine addiction.
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“We have more to do to help protect Americans from the dangers of tobacco and nicotine, especially our youth. As cigarette smoking among those under 18 has fallen, the use of other nicotine products, including e-cigarettes, has taken a drastic leap. All of this is creating a new generation of Americans who are at risk of addiction,” U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Secretary Sylvia Burwell said in a statement today.
“Today’s announcement is an important step in the fight for a tobacco-free generation -- it will help us catch up with changes in the marketplace, put into place rules that protect our kids and give adults information they need to make informed decisions," Burwell said.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Dan Olson
()
Date: May 06, 2016 02:36AM
They want to look the other way when it comes to cigars.
Also, the Feds and B.H.O want to look the other way when it comes to marijuana. I knew a guy who smoked pot everyday from his teens to his early 40's. He checked out at the age of 44 due to throat cancer. These idiots from Colorado, Washington, Oregon etc.will have health problems down the road. Thank god for Obama Care.
Also, the Feds and B.H.O want to look the other way when it comes to marijuana. I knew a guy who smoked pot everyday from his teens to his early 40's. He checked out at the age of 44 due to throat cancer. These idiots from Colorado, Washington, Oregon etc.will have health problems down the road. Thank god for Obama Care.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
TeTk4
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:46AM
> Most states had already passed laws banning e-cigarette sales to minors.
infact the tabacco industry owes me and others money for:
#1 distribution of tabacco in elementary school to addict minors - sending tobacco company agents to schools to distribute tobacco as part of "the curriculum"
#2 distribution of tabacco to minors out of vending machines in public places
if it were for the fact many other states sued my state for "tobacco lawsuits" and spent the money on anything but "medical care for smokers". so infact it is many states that owe me.
but saying FCC or FDA under obama has been strict is a laugh. every commercial for drugs quickly says the drugs side effects are far worse than its supposed relief. every day we see another lawsuit ad saying "if this drugs side-effects killed you or your dying, call 1800-your-fucked-you-fell-for-it"
it was and is already illegal to addict children to nicotine
infact the tabacco industry owes me and others money for:
#1 distribution of tabacco in elementary school to addict minors - sending tobacco company agents to schools to distribute tobacco as part of "the curriculum"
#2 distribution of tabacco to minors out of vending machines in public places
if it were for the fact many other states sued my state for "tobacco lawsuits" and spent the money on anything but "medical care for smokers". so infact it is many states that owe me.
but saying FCC or FDA under obama has been strict is a laugh. every commercial for drugs quickly says the drugs side effects are far worse than its supposed relief. every day we see another lawsuit ad saying "if this drugs side-effects killed you or your dying, call 1800-your-fucked-you-fell-for-it"
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
DGceX
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:49AM
so that just tells me Congress and Obama are invested in certain comanies and are now going in for the kill to get rid of the competitors
meanwhile: the complaint in the article only shows no indication that vaping NON-nicotine products is unsafe yet indicates FCC - despite all its funding - has no tests to show it being either safe or unsafe
meanwhile: the complaint in the article only shows no indication that vaping NON-nicotine products is unsafe yet indicates FCC - despite all its funding - has no tests to show it being either safe or unsafe
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
6pMnD
()
Date: May 06, 2016 05:51AM
lastly - summarizing by saying "michal zeller who is invested in picking a winner will insure proper labeling" ...
has nothing to do with the original complaing about 2007 being a mysterious deadline for FDA testing ...
and 2007 is a magic number we can assume favors certain companies to skip FDA testing which only shows the whole fucking lot of them should be jailed
has nothing to do with the original complaing about 2007 being a mysterious deadline for FDA testing ...
and 2007 is a magic number we can assume favors certain companies to skip FDA testing which only shows the whole fucking lot of them should be jailed
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
MjDj7
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:35AM
libtard hipsters licking the fascist boots like good peasants.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:50AM
Vapers are a movement. They don't fuck around. They quit cigarettes and think they save lives. They are a brotherhood, a community. They have money, prosperous business and are more organized per capita than any other industry on the face of the planet.
They are going to sue the living fuck out of the FDA. It will take over a decade for this law to be enforced but I doubt a judge won't intervene and provide more protection to vendors.
They are going to sue the living fuck out of the FDA. It will take over a decade for this law to be enforced but I doubt a judge won't intervene and provide more protection to vendors.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
non-smoker
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:55AM
Obama is right. Just quit smoking. We all pay higher healthcare costs because of smokers.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:56AM
Smokers not vapers. Vaping gets safer with more cetainty by the day. So far it's been harmless.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 06:58AM
Yeah some regulation is good but trying to give the industry to big tobacco is not right. It is an industry brought up from the ashes to kill tobacco. It's fundamentally wrong to hand it over to those assholes.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2016 06:58AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2016 06:58AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
non-smoker
()
Date: May 06, 2016 07:11AM
vapers are just as bad as smokers. what makes people think vaping is good for them? some freedom is good but letting kids engage in destructive behavior just to "look cool" is a bad idea. we all pay the price in highers costs.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 07:35AM
Your ignorant. What about the children is a last ditched effort at a failed argument. Children are the responsibility of their parents not people trying to quit smoking.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
LytKH
()
Date: May 06, 2016 07:53AM
non-smoker Wrote:
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> Obama is right. Just quit smoking. We all pay
> higher healthcare costs because of smokers.
Not really. By far the greatest healthcare costs for almost everyone come later in life and especially near end of life. Smokers tend to die off younger and relatively quickly. The ones who really drain the system and run up the costs are those with chronic long-term illnesses over long periods of their lives who are an exception but expensive, people 70+ who start to fall apart and develop a variety of illnesses, and mostly the old women who hang on forever in nursing homes. You can look at the Medicare numbers to see where the money goes by age. It's greatly skewed at the high end with those 80+ accounting for 1/3 of the spending even though there are fewer of them.
As counter-intuitive as it might seem, at least at a macro level in terms of lifetime healthcare costs, smokers actually kind of do us all a favor.
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> Obama is right. Just quit smoking. We all pay
> higher healthcare costs because of smokers.
Not really. By far the greatest healthcare costs for almost everyone come later in life and especially near end of life. Smokers tend to die off younger and relatively quickly. The ones who really drain the system and run up the costs are those with chronic long-term illnesses over long periods of their lives who are an exception but expensive, people 70+ who start to fall apart and develop a variety of illnesses, and mostly the old women who hang on forever in nursing homes. You can look at the Medicare numbers to see where the money goes by age. It's greatly skewed at the high end with those 80+ accounting for 1/3 of the spending even though there are fewer of them.
As counter-intuitive as it might seem, at least at a macro level in terms of lifetime healthcare costs, smokers actually kind of do us all a favor.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
clouds
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:02AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Stock up on pure nicotine.
Doesn't nicotine go bad after a while?
It wouldn't be hard at all to make your own e-juice. Stuff like vegetable glycerin is readily available. Trying to regulate that would be regulating pretty much every food manufacturer in the country.
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> Stock up on pure nicotine.
Doesn't nicotine go bad after a while?
It wouldn't be hard at all to make your own e-juice. Stuff like vegetable glycerin is readily available. Trying to regulate that would be regulating pretty much every food manufacturer in the country.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:05AM
I think you can freeze nicotine and it preserves for years.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:10AM
You're right it can't be regulated. It's impossible. It's very easy to make. The only reason some people don't do it is because they buy gourmet mixed flavors instead. If they can't regulate e-juice. What are they going to do? Regulate lithium batteries? Wattage regulating chips?
That's all it is. And a coil made of wire heated up between two points. Its simplicity will defeat any attempt at over regulating.
You don't even need a chip to vape very high wattage.
All you need is a high amperage lithium battery and a sub ohm resistance wire between its negative and positive posts. Bam you are vaping. All you need is a battery and a wire.
That's all it is. And a coil made of wire heated up between two points. Its simplicity will defeat any attempt at over regulating.
You don't even need a chip to vape very high wattage.
All you need is a high amperage lithium battery and a sub ohm resistance wire between its negative and positive posts. Bam you are vaping. All you need is a battery and a wire.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Gerrymanderer2
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:13AM
I bet I could vape with nothing more than a battery, a 24 gauge wire coiled in the middle wrapped in a metal tube with a hole in the middle to pull on.
I could make a home made vape device right now from just a battery, some wire and a metal tube.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2016 08:13AM by Gerrymanderer2.
I could make a home made vape device right now from just a battery, some wire and a metal tube.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/06/2016 08:13AM by Gerrymanderer2.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Vapin Fag
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:16AM
Brothers,
First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because it was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will have to make the full transition for what we are. Smokers really have a desire for cock. Hopefully Obama won't ban cock smoking.
First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because it was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will have to make the full transition for what we are. Smokers really have a desire for cock. Hopefully Obama won't ban cock smoking.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Loretta E. Lynch
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:31AM
Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> I bet I could vape with nothing more than a
> battery, a 24 gauge wire coiled in the middle
> wrapped in a metal tube with a hole in the middle
> to pull on.
>
> I could make a home made vape device right now
> from just a battery, some wire and a metal tube.
We'll arrest you if you do.
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> I bet I could vape with nothing more than a
> battery, a 24 gauge wire coiled in the middle
> wrapped in a metal tube with a hole in the middle
> to pull on.
>
> I could make a home made vape device right now
> from just a battery, some wire and a metal tube.
We'll arrest you if you do.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
ngkgjgyj
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:59AM
Vapin Fag Wrote:
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> Brothers,
>
> First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because it
> was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> have to make the full transition for what we are.
> Smokers really have a desire for cock. Hopefully
> Obama won't ban cock smoking.
Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency would stop these FDA regulations?
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> Brothers,
>
> First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because it
> was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> have to make the full transition for what we are.
> Smokers really have a desire for cock. Hopefully
> Obama won't ban cock smoking.
Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency would stop these FDA regulations?
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
watermelon flavored nicotine
()
Date: May 06, 2016 09:53AM
How will my teens get the watermelon flavored nicotine they crave???
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:01AM
ngkgjgyj Wrote:
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> Vapin Fag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brothers,
> >
> > First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because
> it
> > was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> > have to make the full transition for what we
> are.
> > Smokers really have a desire for cock.
> Hopefully
> > Obama won't ban cock smoking.
>
> Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency
> would stop these FDA regulations?
Sure, presidents never lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
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> Vapin Fag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brothers,
> >
> > First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because
> it
> > was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> > have to make the full transition for what we
> are.
> > Smokers really have a desire for cock.
> Hopefully
> > Obama won't ban cock smoking.
>
> Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency
> would stop these FDA regulations?
Sure, presidents never lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P36x8rTb3jI
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Under 18
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:28AM
Damn it! Now 4th graders and high school kids can't buy E-cigs.
Thanks Obama!
Thanks Obama!
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
G2 is a blabbering idiot
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:39AM
Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the military industrial complex, buys rotisserie chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about mom and pops!
What a cuck!
What a cuck!
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
White Trash Show
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:41AM
G2 is a blabbering idiot Wrote:
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> Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about mom
> and pops!
>
> What a cuck!
You need to worry about yourself. You're a mess.
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> Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about mom
> and pops!
>
> What a cuck!
You need to worry about yourself. You're a mess.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Vexxxed
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:55AM
G2 is a blabbering idiot Wrote:
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> Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about mom
> and pops!
>
> What a cuck!
mom and pops?
More like Salim Amin and his vaping empire.
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> Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about mom
> and pops!
>
> What a cuck!
mom and pops?
More like Salim Amin and his vaping empire.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
Ralph Pootawn
()
Date: May 06, 2016 10:59AM
LOL, I wonder what a meeting at the American Vaping Association looks like.
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Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
G2 is a blabbering idiot
()
Date: May 06, 2016 11:07AM
White Trash Show Wrote:
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> G2 is a blabbering idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> > felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> > military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> > chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about
> mom
> > and pops!
> >
> > What a cuck!
>
> You need to worry about yourself. You're a mess.
Oh shit, facts got the libcuck all upset.
Great comeback. Almost as good as that libcuck saying "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?"
LOL! LIBCUCKS!
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> G2 is a blabbering idiot Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Fucking holy shit G2 is inseam. What a cuck
> > felcher. He supports unions, wall Street, the
> > military industrial complex, buys rotisserie
> > chicken at Walmart but says he's worried about
> mom
> > and pops!
> >
> > What a cuck!
>
> You need to worry about yourself. You're a mess.
Oh shit, facts got the libcuck all upset.
Great comeback. Almost as good as that libcuck saying "ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?"
LOL! LIBCUCKS!
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
$$$$$$$$
()
Date: May 06, 2016 11:36AM
ngkgjgyj Wrote:
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> Vapin Fag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brothers,
> >
> > First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because
> it
> > was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> > have to make the full transition for what we
> are.
> > Smokers really have a desire for cock.
> Hopefully
> > Obama won't ban cock smoking.
>
> Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency
> would stop these FDA regulations?
If Trump can make money off of it, HELL YES!
Remember Trump is a business man first.
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> Vapin Fag Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Brothers,
> >
> > First we went from cigs to e-cigs, because
> it
> > was safer. Now Obama is banning e-cigs. We will
> > have to make the full transition for what we
> are.
> > Smokers really have a desire for cock.
> Hopefully
> > Obama won't ban cock smoking.
>
> Does anyone honestly think a Trump presidency
> would stop these FDA regulations?
If Trump can make money off of it, HELL YES!
Remember Trump is a business man first.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
dungeon smash
()
Date: May 06, 2016 12:43PM
Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> LOL, I wonder what a meeting at the American
> Vaping Association looks like.
douchebag ground zero
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> LOL, I wonder what a meeting at the American
> Vaping Association looks like.
douchebag ground zero
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
TyveX
()
Date: May 06, 2016 12:55PM
I agree with Obama. Vaping is bad, lets nip it in the bud before it gets way out of control.
Re: Obama Administration Bans 99% of E-Cigarettes
Posted by:
XmXpv
()
Date: May 06, 2016 08:38PM
It's just common sense. You have common sense don't you?
Think of the children. You don't hate children do you?
The FDA doesn't even seem to be proposing testing. They want the companies to do the testing and the FDA will interpret the results they are given. What could go wrong.
Think of the children. You don't hate children do you?
The FDA doesn't even seem to be proposing testing. They want the companies to do the testing and the FDA will interpret the results they are given. What could go wrong.