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The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Tin Whiskers
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Date: July 25, 2009 11:23AM
The novelty of the the first black president seems to be wearing off. Obama had a good run with it and milked it for all it was worth but now the novelty seems to be wearing off. Now he has to get results. Positive results that is, not the negative ones he has been getting. He can't even get his own party behind him on his health care reform. Only his most dim-witted supporters will continue to buy his blaming of all his failures on the Republicans. The one bright spot for Obama in all of this though is that he has legions of dim-witted supporters.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Big Peg
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Date: July 25, 2009 11:39AM
This is big, what’s happening. President Obama appears to have misstepped on a major initiative and defining issue. He has misjudged the nation’s mood, which itself is news: He rose from nothing to everything with the help of his fine-tuned antennae. Resistance to the Democratic health-care plans is in the air, showing up more now on YouTube than in the polls, but it will be in the polls soon enough. The president, in short, may be facing a real loss. This will be interesting in a number of ways and for a number of reasons, among them that we’ve never seen him publicly defeated before, because he hasn’t been. So we may be entering new territory, with new struggles shaped by new dynamics.
His news conference the other night was bad. He was filibustery and spinny and gave long and largely unfollowable answers that seemed aimed at limiting the number of questions asked and running out the clock. You don’t do that when you’re fully confident. Far more seriously, he didn’t seem to be telling the truth. We need to create a new national health-care program in order to cut down on government spending? Who would believe that? Would anybody?
The common wisdom the past week has been that whatever challenges health care faces, the president will at least get something because he has a Democratic House and Senate and they’re not going to let their guy die. He’ll get this or that, maybe not a new nationalized system but some things, and he’ll be able to declare some degree of victory.
And this makes sense. But after the news conference, I found myself wondering if he’d get anything.
I think the plan is being slowed and may well be stopped not by ideology, or even by philosophy in a strict sense, but by simple American common sense. I suspect voters, the past few weeks, have been giving themselves an internal Q-and-A that goes something like this:
Will whatever health care bill is produced by Congress increase the deficit? “Of course.” Will it mean tax increases? “Of course.” Will it mean new fees or fines? “Probably.” Can I afford it right now? “No, I’m already getting clobbered.” Will it make the marketplace freer and better? “Probably not.” Is our health care system in crisis? “Yeah, it has been for years.” Is it the most pressing crisis right now? “No, the economy is.” Will a health-care bill improve the economy? “I doubt it.”
The White House misread the national mood. The problem isn’t that they didn’t “bend the curve,” or didn’t sell it right. The problem is that the national mood has changed since the president was elected. Back then the mood was “change is for the good.” But that altered as the full implications of the financial crash seeped in. The crash gave everyone a diminished sense of their own margin for error. It gave them a diminished sense of their country’s margin for error. Americans are not in a chance-taking mood. They’re not in a spending mood, not after the unprecedented spending of the past year, from the end of the Bush era through the first six months of Obama. Here the Congressional Budget Office report that a health care bill would not save money but would instead cost more than a trillion dollars in the next decade was decisive. People say bureaucrats never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might have killed health care.
His news conference the other night was bad. He was filibustery and spinny and gave long and largely unfollowable answers that seemed aimed at limiting the number of questions asked and running out the clock. You don’t do that when you’re fully confident. Far more seriously, he didn’t seem to be telling the truth. We need to create a new national health-care program in order to cut down on government spending? Who would believe that? Would anybody?
The common wisdom the past week has been that whatever challenges health care faces, the president will at least get something because he has a Democratic House and Senate and they’re not going to let their guy die. He’ll get this or that, maybe not a new nationalized system but some things, and he’ll be able to declare some degree of victory.
And this makes sense. But after the news conference, I found myself wondering if he’d get anything.
I think the plan is being slowed and may well be stopped not by ideology, or even by philosophy in a strict sense, but by simple American common sense. I suspect voters, the past few weeks, have been giving themselves an internal Q-and-A that goes something like this:
Will whatever health care bill is produced by Congress increase the deficit? “Of course.” Will it mean tax increases? “Of course.” Will it mean new fees or fines? “Probably.” Can I afford it right now? “No, I’m already getting clobbered.” Will it make the marketplace freer and better? “Probably not.” Is our health care system in crisis? “Yeah, it has been for years.” Is it the most pressing crisis right now? “No, the economy is.” Will a health-care bill improve the economy? “I doubt it.”
The White House misread the national mood. The problem isn’t that they didn’t “bend the curve,” or didn’t sell it right. The problem is that the national mood has changed since the president was elected. Back then the mood was “change is for the good.” But that altered as the full implications of the financial crash seeped in. The crash gave everyone a diminished sense of their own margin for error. It gave them a diminished sense of their country’s margin for error. Americans are not in a chance-taking mood. They’re not in a spending mood, not after the unprecedented spending of the past year, from the end of the Bush era through the first six months of Obama. Here the Congressional Budget Office report that a health care bill would not save money but would instead cost more than a trillion dollars in the next decade was decisive. People say bureaucrats never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might have killed health care.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Vince(1)
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Date: July 25, 2009 12:40PM
People say bureaucrats
> never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might
> have killed health care.
And you are happy about that?
Health care will pass this year..and it will contain a public option.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
> never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might
> have killed health care.
And you are happy about that?
Health care will pass this year..and it will contain a public option.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
qwerty
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Date: July 25, 2009 12:41PM
It's Obama's "Welcome to Washington" moment. We didn't anoint a king to ram through major initiatives and determine the definition of "rich". Even though the Dems control everything right now, other points of view must be considered.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
WFB
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Date: July 25, 2009 01:58PM
I wonder how good Obama's Latin is because he is fast learning the meaning of Sic transit gloria mundi
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: July 25, 2009 02:19PM
Dubya was popular up until mid-2004. Was it because he was white?
I don't buy the whole "novelty of a black President," thing. Obama's trajectory isn't too different from that of other Presidents faced with similar situations. In January of 1995, I imagine most "experts" would have bet that Clinton wouldn't be re-elected. Look how that turned out.
Wait and see. You really have no choice.
I don't buy the whole "novelty of a black President," thing. Obama's trajectory isn't too different from that of other Presidents faced with similar situations. In January of 1995, I imagine most "experts" would have bet that Clinton wouldn't be re-elected. Look how that turned out.
Wait and see. You really have no choice.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Lila
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Date: July 25, 2009 02:36PM
Dubya was popular up until mid-2004. Was it because he was white?
Oh please, even you can't be this fucking stupid. Then again reading some of your other posts on here, perhaps you can.
Oh please, even you can't be this fucking stupid. Then again reading some of your other posts on here, perhaps you can.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: July 25, 2009 02:45PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> People say bureaucrats
> > never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might
> > have killed health care.
>
> And you are happy about that?
>
> Health care will pass this year..and it will
> contain a public option.
'nuf said
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> People say bureaucrats
> > never do anything. The bureaucrats of CBO might
> > have killed health care.
>
> And you are happy about that?
>
> Health care will pass this year..and it will
> contain a public option.
'nuf said
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Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Vince(1)
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Date: July 25, 2009 03:42PM
Oh boy...another cartoonist! You and Gravis should caloborate on something special!
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: July 25, 2009 03:53PM
Well Vince, you sound like a lemming. You can't talk about any substantive topic other than to spout the Messiah mantra. Then you turn around and tell anyone else that doesn't drink the kool aid that they are the ones actually following some brainwashed mantra. You are so full of shit sometimes, it is hard to be civil with you when you make absolutely fucking asinine statements that show you spent about as much time thinking about or understanding the subject as it takes to pick your nose.
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Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
WashingTone-Locian
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Date: July 25, 2009 04:16PM
Lila Wrote:
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> Dubya was popular up until mid-2004. Was it
> because he was white?
> Oh please, even you can't be this fucking stupid.
> Then again reading some of your other posts on
> here, perhaps you can.
My point is, Presidents are ultimately judged but what they do in office. Being black or a moose hunter or a moron from Midland only carries so much weight.
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> Dubya was popular up until mid-2004. Was it
> because he was white?
> Oh please, even you can't be this fucking stupid.
> Then again reading some of your other posts on
> here, perhaps you can.
My point is, Presidents are ultimately judged but what they do in office. Being black or a moose hunter or a moron from Midland only carries so much weight.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Vince(1)
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Date: July 25, 2009 04:18PM
Ive wiped the floor with you on every topic we have ever disagreed on. You think you have some almighty power to judge the value of another's argument...to determne when you have won an argument. You have some very big ego..which just doesnt come across as anything more then a wind bag....a parity of the Fox News network! Not an original thought..just Rush the junky and O"rielly the phone sex operator spaeak....over and over and over again.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.
Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Registered Voter
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Date: July 25, 2009 04:21PM
The patented Vince response when he has nothing left to say "You big bad man, you only spout what other people tell you to!!".
*sniff* that really hurt Vince... lol
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL - now that was funny Vince.
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*sniff* that really hurt Vince... lol
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Ive wiped the floor with you on every topic we have ever disagreed on.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL - now that was funny Vince.
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Re: The Novelty Seems To Be Wearing Off
Posted by:
Vins Fan
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Date: July 26, 2009 12:06PM
Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Ive wiped the floor with you on every topic we
> have ever disagreed on. You think you have some
> almighty power to judge the value of another's
> argument...to determne when you have won an
> argument. You have some very big ego..which just
> doesnt come across as anything more then a wind
> bag....a parity of the Fox News network! Not an
> original thought..just Rush the junky and O"rielly
> the phone sex operator spaeak....over and over and
> over again.
I lik Vins. Vins is Kuul. He duznt rite Ks for Cs enymor but hes stil a rasys with hiz kathulic skuul ejukashun. Vins neyds an assystud sewisied with assistuns to dy. Vins must bee a janetur cuz he mops flors. Maeby hez a janetur at a kathulik skuul. I lik Vins.
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> Ive wiped the floor with you on every topic we
> have ever disagreed on. You think you have some
> almighty power to judge the value of another's
> argument...to determne when you have won an
> argument. You have some very big ego..which just
> doesnt come across as anything more then a wind
> bag....a parity of the Fox News network! Not an
> original thought..just Rush the junky and O"rielly
> the phone sex operator spaeak....over and over and
> over again.
I lik Vins. Vins is Kuul. He duznt rite Ks for Cs enymor but hes stil a rasys with hiz kathulic skuul ejukashun. Vins neyds an assystud sewisied with assistuns to dy. Vins must bee a janetur cuz he mops flors. Maeby hez a janetur at a kathulik skuul. I lik Vins.