I'm sure its been discussed, but it gets confusing. Geographically, I can't tell if Fredericksburg is northern or central Virginia. Culturally, I really don't see it as part of "NOVA" unless your'e talking about stafford/quantico area.Is it safe to say that Fredericksburg is the Southern tip of NOVA?

Not according to the locals. The locals have a habit of resenting the Northerners for moving down there and increasing their traffic (and property values).

But honestly it is, due to the fact that so many gov commuters live there and commute into DC, Belvoir, Quantico and NoVa.

Yes. Also, no.

All I know is the the traffic on Rt 17 going thru Falmouth on almost any afternoon will rival anything NOVA can throw out. And if it's a Friday......forget about it!

Just based on insane traffic mayhem, they should be an honorary member of a NOVA.

Route 3/Central Park needs the glass parking lot treatment so the Frednecks can get a fresh do-over.

Frednecks are not northern Virginians some even claim they are not humans. They are poor white trash Richmond or Woodbridge won't claim as their own. They are all by themselves stuck in a constant state of identity confusion. Listen here frednecks stay out of nova and keep you elongated sloped foreheads pointed south east.

No

BTDT Wrote:
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> Route 3/Central Park needs the glass parking lot
> treatment so the Frednecks can get a fresh
> do-over.


I know i'm going to regret this, but - could you explain what this means?

Frednecker Wrote:
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> I'm sure its been discussed, but it gets
> confusing. Geographically, I can't tell if
> Fredericksburg is northern or central Virginia.
> Culturally, I really don't see it as part of
> "NOVA" unless your'e talking about
> stafford/quantico area.Is it safe to say that
> Fredericksburg is the Southern tip of NOVA?


If you're south of the Occoquan you are definitely not in NoVA.

Occoquan Wrote:
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>
>
> If you're south of the Occoquan you are definitely
> not in NoVA.

You are out of your mind.

Some locations south of the Occoquan River:

Woodbridge
Dale City
Manassas
Dumfries
Triangle

Fredericksburg is where you start to find true Southern hospitality, good looking women, people who speak normally, and good food. So NO, its definitely not NOVA.

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> Occoquan Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > If you're south of the Occoquan you are
> definitely
> > not in NoVA.
>
> You are out of your mind.
>
> Some locations south of the Occoquan River:
>
> Woodbridge
> Dale City
> Manassas
> Dumfries
> Triangle

those are the border areas. where some people say they're in "northern virginia", and some residents vehemently deny that it's nova. northern Virginia doesn't have a line-in-the-sand border. but the occoquan is a good data point of where it actually stops and starts. no one living north of it thinks they live in southern VA.

Quantico or Aquia would probably be the limit of what I'd ever call NoVA.

Anything south of Occoquan is pushing it.

Frednecksburg, Culpepper, Winchester and outer areas like that are more like Richmond than NoVA.

Are there many nig nogs in the Fred?

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> Are there many nig nogs in the Fred?


Tons of them. NoVA has less nogs than Fred.

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> > Are there many nig nogs in the Fred?
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> Tons of them. NoVA has less nogs than Fred.


All of the Spics, Asians, and Muslims pushed them out.

Of course PW county is part of NOVA but not sure about Fauquier?

Culpeper county is considered a distant suburb of Charlottesville so Im thinking Fauquier is part of NOVA.

Frednecker Wrote:
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> I'm sure its been discussed, but it gets
> confusing. Geographically, I can't tell if
> Fredericksburg is northern or central Virginia.
> Culturally, I really don't see it as part of
> "NOVA" unless your'e talking about
> stafford/quantico area.Is it safe to say that
> Fredericksburg is the Southern tip of NOVA?


NOVA is a community college. Northern Virginia is Arlington, Alexandria, and Fairfax. Everywhere else is... Virginia. Fredericksburg is Fredericksburg. Realtors selling to transplants will say something else..

YKLTY Wrote:
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> Occoquan Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > If you're south of the Occoquan you are
> definitely
> > not in NoVA.
>
> You are out of your mind.
>
> Some locations south of the Occoquan River:
>
> Woodbridge
> Dale City
> Manassas
> Dumfries
> Triangle

Yeah, those places are nowhere. I'd rather live in Iowa than those I-95 refugee camps.

NOVA = Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church, Fairfax

All the tribal areas South and West of these officially designated NOVA jurisdictions are largely inhabited by savages.

I heard on the news yesterday about a revitalization plan for the Rt.1 corridor beginning soon. That will be good for NOVA so the all the Fredneck women can have easier access to places like the Galleria and Neman Marcus. Once the project is complete their buying power will help stimulate the NOVA economy and bring Fredericksburg into the concentric rings of the DMV area and we can look forward to seeing more of this.

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BelowMe. Wrote:
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> NOVA = Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church,
> Fairfax
>
> All the tribal areas South and West of these
> officially designated NOVA jurisdictions are
> largely inhabited by savages.


This post is correct. Draw a line around the outer borders of Arlington County, Alexandria and Fairfax County. Extend west into Loudoun to cover South Riding and Dulles Airport and that comprises cultural NoVA. Everything else is wanna-be, sorry folks. This is from a lifelong resident of the area, not some transplant that bought out in the more affordable housing in Loudoun and Prince William. A lot of those areas are nice, but they aren't cultural NoVA.

The old rule (if you are old enough to remember long distance and toll calls) was that if you have to call DC on a landline phone from your house and there was a toll or extra charge to call a 202 DC number then you weren't in NoVA.

Fredericksburg isn't NoVA, I can barely type Fredericksburg and NoVA in the same sentence without laughing.

Fauquier Fred Wrote:
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> Of course PW county is part of NOVA but not sure
> about Fauquier?


I'd have a tough time labeling anything west of Route 15 as "northern VA". Maybe "near NoVA" or "outside of NoVA". But not "in NoVA". If someone told me they grew up in Northern VA, and said they were from Marshall, VA, I'd think they were confused.

I love Fredericksburg cause they got,


3 Sonics

cook out

bojangles

Steak and shake

Carls

3 Hardees

Wish we had all that here.

fatt asss Wrote:
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> I love Fredericksburg cause they got,
>
>
> 3 Sonics
>
> cook out
>
> bojangles
>
> Steak and shake
>
> Carls
>
> 3 Hardees
>
> Wish we had all that here.

and Mason Dixon Cafe - which is better than any of the lame ass chains in NoVa:

http://www.mason-dixoncafe.com/

Ralph Pootawn Wrote:
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> fatt asss Wrote:
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> > I love Fredericksburg cause they got,
> >
> >
> > 3 Sonics
> >
> > cook out
> >
> > bojangles
> >
> > Steak and shake
> >
> > Carls
> >
> > 3 Hardees
> >
> > Wish we had all that here.
>
> and Mason Dixon Cafe - which is better than any of
> the lame ass chains in NoVa:
>
> http://www.mason-dixoncafe.com/


Thanks for the tip. Going to try the place on Sunday.

Steak & Shake ROCKS!

Hey, this thread is making me hungry!

It is true that Fredericksburg is the food mecca of this area. One of my kids went to MWU and I hung out there quite a bit. The chicken club at sonic is crazy good but you have to eat it fresh while parked in your stall.
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They also have Checkers and Shoney's down there. A bunch of chain stuff you can't find around here. Definitely not NoVA.

Northern Virginia ends in Stafford County, tries to start up again in the Berg but fails.

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> They also have Checkers and Shoney's down there.
> A bunch of chain stuff you can't find around here.
> Definitely not NoVA.


They have Checkers in Manassas and Manassas is definitely part of NOVA.

While their women folk might be sketchy the have this too. Go every time right after Ryans.

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NippleChuck Wrote:
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> While their women folk might be sketchy the have
> this too. Go every time right after Ryans.
>
> Nip


Carl's is great but Ryans is downright disgusting. The place smells of dishwasher steam and Clorox. Redneck and Negro families in there stuffing their fat faces while their kids breathe on and touch the food in the trough. People vomiting in the parking lot because they ate too much. No thanks!

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> NippleChuck Wrote:
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> > While their women folk might be sketchy the
> have
> > this too. Go every time right after Ryans.
> >
> > Nip
>
>
> Carl's is great but Ryans is downright disgusting.
> The place smells of dishwasher steam and Clorox.
> Redneck and Negro families in there stuffing their
> fat faces while their kids breathe on and touch
> the food in the trough. People vomiting in the
> parking lot because they ate too much. No thanks!


A whole bunch of people got sick from eating foam rubber at Ryan's over the winter and it was shut down by the board of health.

'tis no longer Wrote:
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> karpet ride Wrote:
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> > NippleChuck Wrote:
> >
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>
> > -----
> > > While their women folk might be sketchy the
> > have
> > > this too. Go every time right after Ryans.
> > >
> > > Nip
> >
> >
> > Carl's is great but Ryans is downright
> disgusting.
> > The place smells of dishwasher steam and
> Clorox.
> > Redneck and Negro families in there stuffing
> their
> > fat faces while their kids breathe on and touch
> > the food in the trough. People vomiting in the
> > parking lot because they ate too much. No
> thanks!
>
>
> A whole bunch of people got sick from eating foam
> rubber at Ryan's over the winter and it was shut
> down by the board of health.


http://www.fredericksburg.com/business/local_business/ryan-s-closes-in-fredericksburg-across-the-nation/article_75e876bc-cb8e-11e5-98c2-27e7fdebefd1.html

Prince William County is not part of NOVA - there are numerous petitions from NOVA residents to seal the border and blow the bridges that connect Occoquan/Hoodbridge & Mannassholeville to Fairfax. Too many refugees streaming in every day clogging our roads and destroying our way of life.

Loudon County is not part of NOVA - once Trump put his sign up on one of your golf courses your fate was sealed. Anyone from Loudon who claims to be from NOVA should be waterboarded.

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> BelowMe. Wrote:
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> > NOVA = Alexandria, Arlington, Falls Church,
> > Fairfax
> >
> > All the tribal areas South and West of these
> > officially designated NOVA jurisdictions are
> > largely inhabited by savages.
>
>
> This post is correct. Draw a line around the
> outer borders of Arlington County, Alexandria and
> Fairfax County. Extend west into Loudoun to cover
> South Riding and Dulles Airport and that comprises
> cultural NoVA. Everything else is wanna-be, sorry
> folks. This is from a lifelong resident of the
> area, not some transplant that bought out in the
> more affordable housing in Loudoun and Prince
> William. A lot of those areas are nice, but they
> aren't cultural NoVA.
>
> The old rule (if you are old enough to remember
> long distance and toll calls) was that if you have
> to call DC on a landline phone from your house and
> there was a toll or extra charge to call a 202 DC
> number then you weren't in NoVA.
>
> Fredericksburg isn't NoVA, I can barely type
> Fredericksburg and NoVA in the same sentence
> without laughing.


Believe it or not, other parts of Virginia look down on NOVA. They consider it boring, bland, and uninteresting and full of new moneyed ethnics who's idea of a good time is TGIF Friday's or Washington Redskins super bowl parties. Not being NOVA is actually a compliment, not a detractor.

jvEKT Wrote:
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> Frednecker Wrote:
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> > I'm sure its been discussed, but it gets
> > confusing. Geographically, I can't tell if
> > Fredericksburg is northern or central Virginia.
> > Culturally, I really don't see it as part of
> > "NOVA" unless your'e talking about
> > stafford/quantico area.Is it safe to say that
> > Fredericksburg is the Southern tip of NOVA?
>
>
> NOVA is a community college. Northern Virginia is
> Arlington, Alexandria, and Fairfax. Everywhere
> else is... Virginia. Fredericksburg is
> Fredericksburg. Realtors selling to transplants
> will say something else..

Northern Virginia is not just the Washington DC metropolitan area.
Winchester and Front Royal (and of course Gore, VA) have always been considered "Northern Virginia". The newspaper is even called "The Northern Virginia Daily". That is not to say they are part of the area you object to calling "NOVA"

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> who's idea of a good time is... Washington Redskins super bowl parties.

Proof the rest of Virginia is still living in the 1980s.

Fburg has this too. Every now and then you can find a Gallagher Doc model laying around. :0)

Nip
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Didn't they used to have a Furr's Cafeteria down in Fredericksburg back in the day?

>I'd have a tough time labeling anything west of Route 15 as "northern VA". Maybe "near NoVA" or "outside of NoVA". But not "in NoVA".

It is surprising how much of a dividing line 15 really is. Everything west of it starts to look like Appalachia, horse country farms and paycheck rednecks. East of it is a rapidly-expanding carpet of strip malls and tract housing. I know which side I prefer.

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> >I'd have a tough time labeling anything west of
> Route 15 as "northern VA". Maybe "near NoVA" or
> "outside of NoVA". But not "in NoVA".
>
> It is surprising how much of a dividing line 15
> really is. Everything west of it starts to look
> like Appalachia, horse country farms and paycheck
> rednecks. East of it is a rapidly-expanding carpet
> of strip malls and tract housing. I know which
> side I prefer.

You would have a tough time but it is true nonetheless. Winchester is further North than any part of Fairfax County.

The Northern Virginia Daily newspaper is located in Strasburg.
http://www.nvdaily.com/

Winchester is pretty far out, but I don't consider it part of Appalachia. Its in the "valley" after all. Appalachia runs through that part of West Virginia until Virginia sticks out further west around Roanoke.

Well, Winchester isn't West Virginia but it seems more in that direction than, say, Fairfax. Haven't spent much time there but it seemed to have a full compliment of hillbillies. Great place to get a car fixed.

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> >I'd have a tough time labeling anything west of
> Route 15 as "northern VA". Maybe "near NoVA" or
> "outside of NoVA". But not "in NoVA".
>
> It is surprising how much of a dividing line 15
> really is. Everything west of it starts to look
> like Appalachia, horse country farms and paycheck
> rednecks. East of it is a rapidly-expanding carpet
> of strip malls and tract housing. I know which
> side I prefer.

I really do hope 15 remains the dividing line between Northern VA and pre-Appalachia for the next 40 years or so. I'd love to retire out in Clarke, Warren or northern Fauquier County someplace peaceful. It'd be nice to live out in the country but still be close enough for an easy drive in to DC or Dulles. If Front Royal ever meets Haymarket, I'll go somewhere else in rural VA.

And to add on, I'd never plan to go south down towards rural Stafford/Spotsy or over to Maryland. Richmond is quickly becoming the new end of the Boston-DC megalopolis and a goal in retirement is to never drive 95 ever again 'til I croak.

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> If Front Royal ever
> meets Haymarket, I'll go somewhere else in rural
> VA.

Front Royal is like going back in time 40 years......no shit. They're still doing meth out there when everyone else had graduated to Heroin long ago.

>I really do hope 15 remains the dividing line between Northern VA and pre-Appalachia for the next 40 years or so.

Realistically, I'm thinking maybe 20 years. They're currently widening the 66 out to Haymarket, and 15 south of that. There's talk of extending the train line out to Haymarket too, years away but it's a sure sign of things to come.

Plenty of the land out that way isn't available for suburban sprawl because it's in 10 acre and less parcels, but there are a number of large, old farms. Not sure about zoning issues they'd need to overcome but given that the Haymarket town council is pretty corrupt, development will happen.

I wouldn't hold my breath about 66 west of there either - lots of land, nice wide road leading there. Enjoy it while it's there.

Winchester is definitely part of Northern Virginia. You people in the DC area have only been using the term NOVA recently. Alexandria and Arlington got along just fine before.

Yepppp Wrote:
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> And to add on, I'd never plan to go south down
> towards rural Stafford/Spotsy or over to Maryland.
> Richmond is quickly becoming the new end of the
> Boston-DC megalopolis and a goal in retirement is
> to never drive 95 ever again 'til I croak.


Richmond is definitely no part of the NE corridor. It ends at Baltimore.

abelard Wrote:
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> >I really do hope 15 remains the dividing line
> between Northern VA and pre-Appalachia for the
> next 40 years or so.
>
> Realistically, I'm thinking maybe 20 years.
> They're currently widening the 66 out to
> Haymarket, and 15 south of that. There's talk of
> extending the train line out to Haymarket too,
> years away but it's a sure sign of things to come.
>
>
> Plenty of the land out that way isn't available
> for suburban sprawl because it's in 10 acre and
> less parcels, but there are a number of large, old
> farms. Not sure about zoning issues they'd need
> to overcome but given that the Haymarket town
> council is pretty corrupt, development will
> happen.
>
> I wouldn't hold my breath about 66 west of there
> either - lots of land, nice wide road leading
> there. Enjoy it while it's there.


Its not anywhere near Appalachia, its the Virginia Piedmont. Appalachia well west of Winchester and meets the SW toe of Virginia.

>> >I really do hope 15 remains the dividing line
>> between Northern VA and pre-Appalachia for the
>> next 40 years or so.
>>
>> Realistically, I'm thinking maybe 20 years.
>
>
>Its not anywhere near Appalachia, its the Virginia Piedmont. Appalachia well west of Winchester and meets >the SW toe of Virginia.

Edited and highlighted for clarity.

It kinda just depends on where you draw the lines, which are admittedly arbitrary. That's kinda what we're talking about here.