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Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 08:05AM

Catherine Crabill Northumberland Co. Tea Party Speech
Catherine Crabill, Republican nominee in Virginia's 99th House District, speaks at a Tea Party in Northumberland County, VA on July 15, 2009. She says that if they lose at the ballot box, they'll have to resort to the bullet box. Crabill also believes that the federal government bombed the Oklahoma City federal building in 1995 ( http://tinyurl.com/ntmcyz ).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3HjcmyIvEk&feature=email

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: July 17, 2009 08:27AM

"Bullet box"? Yes, because most civilized countries resort to armed conflict when they lose an election....

According to her website, she's a "faith and values conservative Christian".... can someone tell me where in the new testament Jesus encourages people to use violence?

I really gotta wonder how the GOP digs up people like this.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:13AM

Many on here think they have the right to bare arms to fight "tyrannY". The NRA goes around all the time espousing that guns protect our freedoms. These are all subtle calls for the same thing.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:16AM

Hey Vince! Since you were unfit for military service during the Vietnam
era, maybe you could join up with this outfit before its too late!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPb7qJqv2ZE

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: wuht ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:41AM

du untu others befor they do unto you

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:50AM

Again, Vince, you're using one nut job to justify your entire position on this issue. For every 1,000 gun owners in the country, one or two of them is going to be a crazy person.

This is the same thing as saying, "Here's an example where an illegal immigrant committed a crime, which proves my point that all illegal immigrants are criminals."

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:52AM

Its funny....Watching the SupCt confirmation hearings yesterday, Comrade Pat Leahy went on four about 5 minutes about how he loves his hand guns and long guns and target shoots all the time at his home in Vermont. So either its a big charade or gun ownership is not limited to neo-fascists.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:57AM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> According to her website, she's a "faith and
> values conservative Christian".... can someone
> tell me where in the new testament Jesus
> encourages people to use violence?

Are you speaking in terms of the above-mentioned nutty lady, or the question over how a Christian can be a gun owner in general?

If you mean gun owners in general, Jesus said turn the other cheek but never recommended that self defense was wrong. Quite the opposite in fact... if you read Luke 22:35-36 he tells his disciples to sell their cloaks for swords. He tells Peter to put his sword in its place when he attacked the guard before Jesus was arrested, but did not tell him to get rid of it. And Jesus asked the guards if they believed he was a robber because they came for him with swords and clubs, which indicates an acknowledgment that defense against criminals is justified.


But if you are saying this lady is acting un-Christian-like because she says things that seem to imply justification for blowing away demokrats on second amendment grounds then you are absolutely correct.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:58AM

Nation of Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_of_Islam

The Nation Of Islam And Violence
http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/the-nation-of-islam-and-violence/
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...
The membership of sniper suspect John Muhammad in the Nation of Islam has made the background and nature of this group into a national issue of concern. Muhammad changed his name from John Allen Williams after he converted to Islam. At first, Nation of Islam officials declined comment. Later, leader Louis Farrakhan admitted Muhammad was a member.
...
Farrakhan's statements in favor of violence are numerous. He once said, "It is an act of mercy to white people that we end your world... We must end your world and bring in a new world." He also said, "We are at war and we never stop fighting for justice. You must have force... don't drop your gun and don't forget to squeeze." But most reporters are reluctant to report such statements because of the fear of violence from Farrakhan's supporters. In 1984, Farrakhan condemned Milton Coleman, a black reporter for Washington Post, as a traitor after Coleman revealed that Jesse Jackson had, in a conversation with campaign aides, referred to Jews as "Hymies" and to New York City as "Hymietown."
...

These the people you like Vince?

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: wuht ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:00AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> This is the same thing as saying, "Here's an
> example where an illegal immigrant committed a
> crime, which proves my point that all illegal
> immigrants are criminals."

yeah thos illegals are mor like one third criminal but the babies and most of the women are not yet

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:06AM

conVince Wrote:
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>
>> Are you speaking in terms of the above-mentioned nutty lady, or the question over how a Christian can be a gun owner in general?


The nutty lady.


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>
> But if you are saying this lady is acting un-Christian-like because she says things that seem to imply justification for blowing away demokrats on second amendment grounds then you are absolutely correct.


That's not what I said.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:43AM

conVince Wrote:
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> if you read Luke 22:35-36 he tells his disciples
> to sell their cloaks for swords.


the reason to get the swords was to get arrested for looking like robbers. it was a show, so that Judas would arrest them under suspicion that they were robbers, even though judas knew they werent.



> He tells Peter
> to put his sword in its place when he attacked the
> guard before Jesus was arrested, but did not tell
> him to get rid of it.


a) there is no indication that peter was the one that sliced off the gaurds ear
b) He yells, "Stop! No more of this." and nothing is said that He told the disciple to "put his sword in its place"

He also healed one of the soldier after one of the disciples loped off the guy's ear. i get the feeling that the disciples didnt understand His plan.



> And Jesus asked the guards
> if they believed he was a robber because they came
> for him with swords and clubs, which indicates an
> acknowledgment that defense against criminals is
> justified.


no, it indicates that He asked if they thought they were robbers, not that it was justified that judas and the gaurds had the swords and clubs.



do not twist God's words to fit your agenda.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Jive Turkey ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:48AM

I heard about that lady in this morning's paper.

Who's crazier? That Bachmann congress woman or this one?

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: good speeler ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:51AM

Jive Turkey Wrote:
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> I heard about that lady in this morning's paper.
>
> Who's crazier? That Bachmann congress woman or
> this one?


congresswoman is ONE word.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Jive Turkey ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:55AM

Thanks for doing your job, Mr. spell checker.

Or is spell checker ONE word too?

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: good speeler ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:57AM

Jive Turkey Wrote:
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> Thanks for doing your job, Mr. spell checker.
>
> Or is spell checker ONE word too?

That's DR. Spell Checker. I didn't get my PhD in checking spelling to be called Mr. Oh, by the way - you are stupid; stupid like Vince(1).

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: July 17, 2009 11:10AM

Id vote for Barbara Boxer as one of the biggest fruitcakes in Congress.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:06PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Again, Vince, you're using one nut job to justify
> your entire position on this issue. For every
> 1,000 gun owners in the country, one or two of
> them is going to be a crazy person.
>
> This is the same thing as saying, "Here's an
> example where an illegal immigrant committed a
> crime, which proves my point that all illegal
> immigrants are criminals."

I dont think thats true...when you have groups like the NRA going around saying that our freedoms depend on 2nd amendment. They are more sophisticated in their message...but its the same message.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:10PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> Its funny....Watching the SupCt confirmation
> hearings yesterday, Comrade Pat Leahy went on four
> about 5 minutes about how he loves his hand guns
> and long guns and target shoots all the time at
> his home in Vermont. So either its a big charade
> or gun ownership is not limited to neo-fascists.


I think the 2 biggest lies a congressman is obliged to tell these days is...that he/she is a good god fearing christian...and how he/she loves to shoot guns. These are issues most politicians just dont think it's worth arguing about.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:19PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Again, Vince, you're using one nut job to
> justify
> > your entire position on this issue. For every
> > 1,000 gun owners in the country, one or two of
> > them is going to be a crazy person.
> >
> > This is the same thing as saying, "Here's an
> > example where an illegal immigrant committed a
> > crime, which proves my point that all illegal
> > immigrants are criminals."
>
> I dont think thats true...when you have groups
> like the NRA going around saying that our freedoms
> depend on 2nd amendment. They are more
> sophisticated in their message...but its the same
> message.

And I point to the situation in Iran.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: beggers can't be choosers ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:22PM

good speeler Wrote:
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> Jive Turkey Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanks for doing your job, Mr. spell checker.
> >
> > Or is spell checker ONE word too?
>
> That's DR. Spell Checker. I didn't get my PhD in
> checking spelling to be called Mr. Oh, by the way
> - you are stupid; stupid like Vince(1).

Boo! Found you.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:37PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> I dont think thats true...when you have groups
> like the NRA going around saying that our freedoms
> depend on 2nd amendment. They are more
> sophisticated in their message...but its the same
> message.


Our freedoms DO depend on the 2nd amendment. If we weren't allowed to own guns, do you think that would stop the government from owning guns? Do you think that would stop violent criminals from owning guns?

So if the citizens who follow the law are un-armed, that leaves them little to defend themselves from the dangerous criminals or tyrants that mean them harm. At least, now, people know that there is a good chance the citizens are armed and will protect themselves from danger.

I'm not saying we need guns so we can mount up with a pocket full of shells when we lose an election but, if some radical group does mount up and rally around your family, you're going to be glad you have a gun to protect them. Who wants to scramble for a phone to call the police and wait around with your fingers crossed until they find the time to come save your ass?

It doesn't make us invincible but it, at least, gives John Q. Public a fighting chance...

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 17, 2009 04:38PM

She has a collection of quotes on her website:

“A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.”

Thomas Jefferson

And evidently she thinks highly of this organization "Oath Keepers"
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

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OATH KEEPERS: ORDERS WE WILL NOT OBEY

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Based on some of what they believe above, that should be a good thing to some of the folks here.

Soldiers pledge to refuse disarmament demands:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=91530

I had never heard of these guys before today so don't know much about them. I think the basic idea is sound - I mean they do swear an oath to defend the Constitution of the US... shrug.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2009 04:39PM by Registered Voter.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 06:48PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > I dont think thats true...when you have groups
> > like the NRA going around saying that our
> freedoms
> > depend on 2nd amendment. They are more
> > sophisticated in their message...but its the
> same
> > message.
>
>
> Our freedoms DO depend on the 2nd amendment. If we
> weren't allowed to own guns, do you think that
> would stop the government from owning guns? Do you
> think that would stop violent criminals from
> owning guns?
>
> So if the citizens who follow the law are
> un-armed, that leaves them little to defend
> themselves from the dangerous criminals or tyrants
> that mean them harm. At least, now, people know
> that there is a good chance the citizens are armed
> and will protect themselves from danger.
>
> I'm not saying we need guns so we can mount up
> with a pocket full of shells when we lose an
> election but, if some radical group does mount up
> and rally around your family, you're going to be
> glad you have a gun to protect them. Who wants to
> scramble for a phone to call the police and wait
> around with your fingers crossed until they find
> the time to come save your ass?
>
> It doesn't make us invincible but it, at least,
> gives John Q. Public a fighting chance...


The only thing that protects your rights is the rule of law. No one has the right to use firearms against the US Government...that is treason.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 06:52PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Again, Vince, you're using one nut job to
> > justify
> > > your entire position on this issue. For
> every
> > > 1,000 gun owners in the country, one or two
> of
> > > them is going to be a crazy person.
> > >
> > > This is the same thing as saying, "Here's an
> > > example where an illegal immigrant committed
> a
> > > crime, which proves my point that all illegal
> > > immigrants are criminals."
> >
> > I dont think thats true...when you have groups
> > like the NRA going around saying that our
> freedoms
> > depend on 2nd amendment. They are more
> > sophisticated in their message...but its the
> same
> > message.
>
> And I point to the situation in Iran.

What about Iran? That revolution is still in process. Peaceful demonstration will bring change as it has in this country...India...Czech/Slovak seperation...the Polish Solidarity Movement.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 17, 2009 07:08PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> The only thing that protects your rights is the
> rule of law. No one has the right to use firearms
> against the US Government...that is treason.

Good luck telling that the the Klansmen throwing napalm into your house, or the crazed lunatic serial murderer/rapist that snuck in with (whatever they use) and malintent.

How about the crooked officers or gangmembers that want to take turns on you or your wife/daughter?

What about the CHINESE, MAN!?

You think they will evaporate and the sun will shine as soon as you remind them that your right to live is protected by the rule of law?

You can't just sit back and pray that Batman will show up, in the nick of time, to save the day... Well, I guess you can, but I wouldn't recommend it.

To paraphrase what Hunter S. Thompson once said:
Pray to God all you want, just make sure to paddle away from the rocks

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: July 17, 2009 07:16PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The only thing that protects your rights is the
> rule of law. No one has the right to use firearms
> against the US Government...that is treason.


But under rule of law the populace cannot be disarmed. For the "government" to do that the Constitution would need to be suspended, and at that point the United States does not exist and defending yourself against whoever is shooting at you is not treason.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Harry Tuttle ()
Date: July 17, 2009 07:24PM

Nice one, pgens!
I wish I could give you some dap.

pgens Wrote:
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>
>
> But under rule of law the populace cannot be
> disarmed. For the "government" to do that the
> Constitution would need to be suspended, and at
> that point the United States does not exist and
> defending yourself against whoever is shooting at
> you is not treason.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:05PM

pgens Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The only thing that protects your rights is the
> > rule of law. No one has the right to use
> firearms
> > against the US Government...that is treason.
>
>
> But under rule of law the populace cannot be
> disarmed. For the "government" to do that the
> Constitution would need to be suspended, and at
> that point the United States does not exist and
> defending yourself against whoever is shooting at
> you is not treason.

Under the rule of law...the constitution could be amended.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 09:08PM

Harry Tuttle Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > The only thing that protects your rights is the
> > rule of law. No one has the right to use
> firearms
> > against the US Government...that is treason.
>
> Good luck telling that the the Klansmen throwing
> napalm into your house, or the crazed lunatic
> serial murderer/rapist that snuck in with
> (whatever they use) and malintent.
>
> How about the crooked officers or gangmembers that
> want to take turns on you or your wife/daughter?
>
> What about the CHINESE, MAN!?
>
> You think they will evaporate and the sun will
> shine as soon as you remind them that your right
> to live is protected by the rule of law?
>
> You can't just sit back and pray that Batman will
> show up, in the nick of time, to save the day...
> Well, I guess you can, but I wouldn't recommend
> it.
>
> To paraphrase what Hunter S. Thompson once said:
> Pray to God all you want, just make sure to paddle
> away from the rocks


Listen..the odds of any of those things happening to me..my family, in such a circumstance that me (or anyone else) having a gun would affect the outcome...is less then the odds of me or my family dying in a plane crash. And I still get on planes.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Freddie ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:37PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> pgens Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The only thing that protects your rights is
> the
> > > rule of law. No one has the right to use
> > firearms
> > > against the US Government...that is treason.
> >
> >
> > But under rule of law the populace cannot be
> > disarmed. For the "government" to do that the
> > Constitution would need to be suspended, and at
> > that point the United States does not exist and
> > defending yourself against whoever is shooting
> at
> > you is not treason.
>
> Under the rule of law...the constitution could be
> amended.

As per the Constitution, the first ten amendments cannot be repealed or
modified without the convening of a Constitutional Convention.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 17, 2009 10:54PM

Educate me..where does it say that? Here's Article Five...I dont see it.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: July 18, 2009 01:02AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Educate me..where does it say that? Here's
> Article Five...I dont see it.
>
> The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses
> shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments
> to this Constitution, or, on the Application of
> the Legislatures of two thirds of the several
> States, shall call a Convention for proposing
> Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid
> to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this
> Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of
> three fourths of the several States, or by
> Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one
> or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed
> by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which
> may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight
> hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the
> first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of
> the first Article; and that no State, without its
> Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage
> in the Senate.

In either case Vince, good fucking luck getting an amendment through banning gun ownership or suspending the 2nd Amendment. Under the appropriate circumstances, as spelled out in many of the historical documents and such leading up to the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, the Founders felt it appropriate that the populace be armed so they could help defend the country, and also to take back their government if it got out of hand. If it ever came to that, to the victor go the spoils essentially - whomever did NOT get to write the hostory books after that would most likely get the distinction of being the "bad guy".

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: July 18, 2009 09:18AM

>
> In either case Vince, good fucking luck getting an
> amendment through banning gun ownership or
> suspending the 2nd Amendment. Under the
> appropriate circumstances, as spelled out in many
> of the historical documents and such leading up to
> the Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, the
> Founders felt it appropriate that the populace be
> armed so they could help defend the country, and
> also to take back their government if it got out
> of hand. If it ever came to that, to the victor go
> the spoils essentially - whomever did NOT get to
> write the hostory books after that would most
> likely get the distinction of being the "bad guy".


Here's the thing...if the only people that owned guns were responsible hunters...people protecting their homes...sportsman Id agree with you 100%. However, there is a never ending undertone to gun ownership of white people (mainly men) protecting their way of life from minorities and the ever growing power of the federal government. More and more I hear about the 2nd American Revolution....the Gov of Texas threatening to leave the Union...people like the lady in VA mentioned above...these arent just idle threats. There are many people out there with their own personal arsenal of guns and ammunition that can only be justified for a single reason....their violent use against a real or more likely perceived enemy. These people...and the lobby of interest groups supporting no limitations/registration of guns...have the capability to cause serious violence. And when they do...like the 1st Civil War..they will be squashed....and that will be the end of the 2nd Amendment...and good ridance.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: H2O ()
Date: July 18, 2009 11:18AM

Vince and the Meeper, two colossal assholes jerking each other off in their own private echo chamber. The country, led by a corrupt and venal administration and legislature, is going bankrupt, its currency becoming a joke and its future in doubt, and all these two idiots can do is hurl invective at some obscure powerless politician. The fact that this country has far too many abject ignoramuses like these buffoons shows why it's doomed.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: July 18, 2009 12:11PM

H2O Wrote:
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> > The fact that this country has far too many abject ignoramuses like these buffoons shows why it's doomed.



That's what she said.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: July 18, 2009 12:33PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Here's the thing...if the only people that owned
> guns were responsible hunters...people protecting
> their homes...sportsman Id agree with you 100%.
> However, there is a never ending undertone to gun
> ownership of white people (mainly men) protecting
> their way of life from minorities and the ever
> growing power of the federal government. More and
> more I hear about the 2nd American
> Revolution....the Gov of Texas threatening to
> leave the Union...people like the lady in VA
> mentioned above...these arent just idle threats.
> There are many people out there with their own
> personal arsenal of guns and ammunition that can
> only be justified for a single reason....their
> violent use against a real or more likely
> perceived enemy. These people...and the lobby of
> interest groups supporting no
> limitations/registration of guns...have the
> capability to cause serious violence. And when
> they do...like the 1st Civil War..they will be
> squashed....and that will be the end of the 2nd
> Amendment...and good ridance.

Freedom has a downside, and you have to take the good with the bad, or else it's not freedom at all.

The same freedom that protects your right to say what you think also protects the right of the KKK to say what they think. You can't take away their right to say what they want, or the "freedom of speech" thing is bullshit.

The same with guns. For every "gun nut" that sits around cleaning his weapons over and over and thinking about how to overthrow the government, there are thousands of responsible gun owners that hope they never have to use their weapon. However, it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I'll agree that the chances of someone breaking into my apartment and trying to hurt/kill/rob me are pretty slim. The chances of me needing to kill that person are even slimmer. However, it does happen, no matter how infrequently, and I think everyone should be allowed to prepare for that unlikely situation if they want to.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: WFB ()
Date: July 18, 2009 12:47PM

For the "government" to do that the Constitution would need to be suspended.

You think it can't? Read the 10th Amendment than take a look at US History for the last 70 years and you'll see that the 10th Amendment has been ignored to the point of irrelevancy. The "government", especially with a compliant supreme court, can do whatever it pleases.

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Re: Another Gun Nut
Posted by: Eversole ()
Date: July 18, 2009 01:23PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Here's the thing...if the only people that
> owned
> > guns were responsible hunters...people
> protecting
> > their homes...sportsman Id agree with you 100%.
>
> > However, there is a never ending undertone to
> gun
> > ownership of white people (mainly men)
> protecting
> > their way of life from minorities and the ever
> > growing power of the federal government. More
> and
> > more I hear about the 2nd American
> > Revolution....the Gov of Texas threatening to
> > leave the Union...people like the lady in VA
> > mentioned above...these arent just idle threats.
>
> > There are many people out there with their own
> > personal arsenal of guns and ammunition that
> can
> > only be justified for a single reason....their
> > violent use against a real or more likely
> > perceived enemy. These people...and the lobby
> of
> > interest groups supporting no
> > limitations/registration of guns...have the
> > capability to cause serious violence. And when
> > they do...like the 1st Civil War..they will be
> > squashed....and that will be the end of the 2nd
> > Amendment...and good ridance.
>
> Freedom has a downside, and you have to take the
> good with the bad, or else it's not freedom at
> all.
>
> The same freedom that protects your right to say
> what you think also protects the right of the KKK
> to say what they think. You can't take away their
> right to say what they want, or the "freedom of
> speech" thing is bullshit.
>
> The same with guns. For every "gun nut" that sits
> around cleaning his weapons over and over and
> thinking about how to overthrow the government,
> there are thousands of responsible gun owners that
> hope they never have to use their weapon.
> However, it's better to have it and not need it
> than need it and not have it.
>
> I'll agree that the chances of someone breaking
> into my apartment and trying to hurt/kill/rob me
> are pretty slim. The chances of me needing to
> kill that person are even slimmer. However, it
> does happen, no matter how infrequently, and I
> think everyone should be allowed to prepare for
> that unlikely situation if they want to.


I really don't think there are all that many who are thinking about overthrowing
the government by force. It's the loonies who get all the publicity.
What I fear more than anything is that in case of a societal "meltdown",
there are far too many people who have no idea how to fend for themselves.
Far too many who would rob and pillage in order to survive. The people in this
area go into a panic if they think we will be snowed in for a few days.
I distinctly remember the "Bailey's Crossroads Bread Riot of 1987". In
anticipation of a huge snowstorm, folks went into the "squirrel" mentality and
started running to the stores in droves to stock up. People
were brawling at the Safeway over bread and milk. The FFx Cty Police had to
break it up and these were YUPPIES fighting. Can you imagine what they would be like if supermarkets started running out of food because of a major disaster,
terrorist attack, or Wall St. shutting down for a long haul? I'd rather have the advantage of a shotgun even if its to shoot squirrels for dinner.

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