Stop with the non-sense NRA and republicans!!!!!! Pass HR1076!!!!


H.R.1076 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Terrorists Act of 2015

Amends the federal criminal code to grant the Attorney General the authority to deny the transfer of firearms or the issuance of a federal firearms and explosives license to any individual if the Attorney General: (1) determines that such individual has been engaged in or has provided material support or resources for terrorist activities, and (2) has a reasonable belief that such individual may use a firearm or explosive in connection with terrorism. Allows any individual whose firearm or explosives license application has been denied to bring legal action challenging the denial.

Prohibits the sale or distribution of firearms or explosives to any individual whom the Attorney General has determined to be engaged in terrorist activities.

Permits the Attorney General to withhold information in firearms and explosives license denial revocation suits if the Attorney General determines that the disclosure of such information would likely compromise national security.

Authorizes the Attorney General to revoke firearms and explosives licenses and permits held by individuals determined to be engaged in terrorism.

GOP Hypocrisy Wrote:
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> Stop with the non-sense NRA and republicans!!!!!!
> Pass HR1076!!!!
>
>
> H.R.1076 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
> Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous
> Terrorists Act of 2015
>
> Amends the federal criminal code to grant the
> Attorney General the authority to deny the
> transfer of firearms or the issuance of a federal
> firearms and explosives license to any individual
> if the Attorney General: (1) determines that such
> individual has been engaged in or has provided
> material support or resources for terrorist
> activities, and (2) has a reasonable belief that
> such individual may use a firearm or explosive in
> connection with terrorism. Allows any individual
> whose firearm or explosives license application
> has been denied to bring legal action challenging
> the denial.
>
> Prohibits the sale or distribution of firearms or
> explosives to any individual whom the Attorney
> General has determined to be engaged in terrorist
> activities.
>
> Permits the Attorney General to withhold
> information in firearms and explosives license
> denial revocation suits if the Attorney General
> determines that the disclosure of such information
> would likely compromise national security.
>
> Authorizes the Attorney General to revoke firearms
> and explosives licenses and permits held by
> individuals determined to be engaged in terrorism.

Known terrorists should be in prison. Fuck off.

tklyf Wrote:
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> GOP Hypocrisy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Stop with the non-sense NRA and
> republicans!!!!!!
> > Pass HR1076!!!!
> >
> >
> > H.R.1076 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
> > Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous
> > Terrorists Act of 2015
> >
> > Amends the federal criminal code to grant the
> > Attorney General the authority to deny the
> > transfer of firearms or the issuance of a
> federal
> > firearms and explosives license to any
> individual
> > if the Attorney General: (1) determines that
> such
> > individual has been engaged in or has provided
> > material support or resources for terrorist
> > activities, and (2) has a reasonable belief
> that
> > such individual may use a firearm or explosive
> in
> > connection with terrorism. Allows any
> individual
> > whose firearm or explosives license application
> > has been denied to bring legal action
> challenging
> > the denial.
> >
> > Prohibits the sale or distribution of firearms
> or
> > explosives to any individual whom the Attorney
> > General has determined to be engaged in
> terrorist
> > activities.
> >
> > Permits the Attorney General to withhold
> > information in firearms and explosives license
> > denial revocation suits if the Attorney General
> > determines that the disclosure of such
> information
> > would likely compromise national security.
> >
> > Authorizes the Attorney General to revoke
> firearms
> > and explosives licenses and permits held by
> > individuals determined to be engaged in
> terrorism.
>
> Known terrorists should be in prison. Fuck off.

Well we certainly shouldn't be selling guns to them in the US!!!!! Fucking retard republicans just catering to the NRA $$$$ and gun lobbyists $$$$. That's almost criminal!!!

OP, a few questions for you:

Q. Do you believe that those on the terrorist watch list should be prohibited from practicing their religion?

Q. Should we force those on the terrorist watch list to house military personnel in their homes?

Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list have Miranda rights in the United States?

Q. Do you support searching the homes of those on the terrorist watch list without first obtaining a warrant?

Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list enjoy the right to counsel in criminal trials?

Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have the right to a jury trial?

Q. Can the government engage in cruel and unusual punishment against those on the terrorist watch list?

No Guns for Terrorists! Wrote:
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> tklyf Wrote:
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> -----
> > GOP Hypocrisy Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Stop with the non-sense NRA and
> > republicans!!!!!!
> > > Pass HR1076!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > H.R.1076 — 114th Congress (2015-2016)
> > > Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous
> > > Terrorists Act of 2015
> > >
> > > Amends the federal criminal code to grant the
> > > Attorney General the authority to deny the
> > > transfer of firearms or the issuance of a
> > federal
> > > firearms and explosives license to any
> > individual
> > > if the Attorney General: (1) determines that
> > such
> > > individual has been engaged in or has
> provided
> > > material support or resources for terrorist
> > > activities, and (2) has a reasonable belief
> > that
> > > such individual may use a firearm or
> explosive
> > in
> > > connection with terrorism. Allows any
> > individual
> > > whose firearm or explosives license
> application
> > > has been denied to bring legal action
> > challenging
> > > the denial.
> > >
> > > Prohibits the sale or distribution of
> firearms
> > or
> > > explosives to any individual whom the
> Attorney
> > > General has determined to be engaged in
> > terrorist
> > > activities.
> > >
> > > Permits the Attorney General to withhold
> > > information in firearms and explosives
> license
> > > denial revocation suits if the Attorney
> General
> > > determines that the disclosure of such
> > information
> > > would likely compromise national security.
> > >
> > > Authorizes the Attorney General to revoke
> > firearms
> > > and explosives licenses and permits held by
> > > individuals determined to be engaged in
> > terrorism.
> >
> > Known terrorists should be in prison. Fuck off.
>
> Well we certainly shouldn't be selling guns to
> them in the US!!!!! Fucking retard republicans
> just catering to the NRA $$$$ and gun lobbyists
> $$$$. That's almost criminal!!!

I am the NRA. Fuck off.

due process Wrote:
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> OP, a few questions for you:
>
> Q. Do you believe that those on the terrorist
> watch list should be prohibited from practicing
> their religion?
>
> Q. Should we force those on the terrorist watch
> list to house military personnel in their homes?
>
> Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list have
> Miranda rights in the United States?
>
> Q. Do you support searching the homes of those on
> the terrorist watch list without first obtaining a
> warrant?
>
> Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list enjoy the
> right to counsel in criminal trials?
>
> Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have the
> right to a jury trial?
>
> Q. Can the government engage in cruel and unusual
> punishment against those on the terrorist watch
> list?

Stop with your nonsense!!! WE SHOULD NOT SELL GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO KNOWN TERRORISTS IN THE US!!!

PERIOD!!!!

7vKLu Wrote:
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> due process Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OP, a few questions for you:
> >
> > Q. Do you believe that those on the terrorist
> > watch list should be prohibited from practicing
> > their religion?
> >
> > Q. Should we force those on the terrorist
> watch
> > list to house military personnel in their
> homes?
> >
> > Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list have
> > Miranda rights in the United States?
> >
> > Q. Do you support searching the homes of those
> on
> > the terrorist watch list without first obtaining
> a
> > warrant?
> >
> > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list enjoy
> the
> > right to counsel in criminal trials?
> >
> > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have
> the
> > right to a jury trial?
> >
> > Q. Can the government engage in cruel and
> unusual
> > punishment against those on the terrorist watch
> > list?
>
> Stop with your nonsense!!! WE SHOULD NOT SELL
> GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO KNOWN TERRORISTS IN THE
> US!!!
>
> PERIOD!!!!

Please answer the questions. Also, if we know they are terrorists, how come they are not under indictment, arrested, convicted, etc?

Obama will just put every republican on the list. How about if we know you're a jihadist we either put you behind bars of deport you? Trump anyone? 2016? Sounds good.

STOP SELLING GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO TERRORISTS IN THE US!!!!!! PERIOD!!!

Answers to your question below.


due process Wrote:
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> OP, a few questions for you:
>
> Q. Do you believe that those on the terrorist
> watch list should be prohibited from practicing
> their religion?

NO

> Q. Should we force those on the terrorist watch
> list to house military personnel in their homes?

NO

> Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list have
> Miranda rights in the United States?

YES

> Q. Do you support searching the homes of those on
> the terrorist watch list without first obtaining a
> warrant?

No, but being on the terrorist watch list should make it easier to obtain a warrant.

> Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list enjoy the
> right to counsel in criminal trials?

Yes

> Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have the
> right to a jury trial?

Yes

> Q. Can the government engage in cruel and unusual
> punishment against those on the terrorist watch
> list?

No

due process Wrote:
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>
> Please answer the questions. Also, if we know
> they are terrorists, how come they are not under
> indictment, arrested, convicted, etc?


Please stop teasing the monkeys.

zoo keep Wrote:
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> due process Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> > Please answer the questions. Also, if we know
> > they are terrorists, how come they are not
> under
> > indictment, arrested, convicted, etc?
>
>
> Please stop teasing the monkeys.

Known terrorist watch list does not require a conviction. It means they known to associates of ISIS or other terrorist organizations.

Screw those towel heads. Don't give them guns in the US.

F'd UP GOP Wrote:
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> zoo keep Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > due process Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > >
> > > Please answer the questions. Also, if we
> know
> > > they are terrorists, how come they are not
> > under
> > > indictment, arrested, convicted, etc?
> >
> >
> > Please stop teasing the monkeys.
>
> Known terrorist watch list does not require a
> conviction. It means they known to associates of
> ISIS or other terrorist organizations.
>
> Screw those towel heads. Don't give them guns in
> the US.


No, actually it doesn't.

Terrorist watch list -

Creating an environment of more efficient terrorism-related information sharing is a key mission of the PM-ISE. Consequently, by supporting the ability of front line screening agencies to positively identify known or suspected terrorists trying to obtain visas, enter the country, board aircraft, or engage in other activity, the consolidated Terrorist Watchlist is one of the most effective counterterrorism tools for the U.S. government. A number of federal government agencies participate in this mission process:

The National Counterterrorism Center manages the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), which serves as the U.S. government’s central repository of information on international terrorist identities as established by the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004. TIDE supports the USG’s various terrorist screening systems or “watchlists” and the U.S. Intelligence Community’s overall counterterrorism mission.

The Terrorist Screening Center (TSC) maintains the U.S. government’s consolidated Terrorist Watchlist - which supports the ability of front line screening agencies to positively identify known or suspected terrorists trying to obtain visas, enter the country, board aircraft, or engage in other activity. While undertaking these activities, TSC is also dedicated to ensuring the data it stores is maintained in a manner consistent with protecting the privacy and civil liberties of Americans.

Similarly, the Transportation Security Administration uses Secure Flight, an aviation security program that enhances the security of domestic and international commercial air travel through the use of improved watchlist matching.

No Guns for Terrorists! Wrote:
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> STOP SELLING GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO TERRORISTS IN
> THE US!!!!!! PERIOD!!!
>
> Answers to your question below.
>
>
> due process Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > OP, a few questions for you:
> >
> > Q. Do you believe that those on the terrorist
> > watch list should be prohibited from practicing
> > their religion?
>
> NO
>
> > Q. Should we force those on the terrorist
> watch
> > list to house military personnel in their
> homes?
>
> NO
>
> > Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list have
> > Miranda rights in the United States?
>
> YES
>
> > Q. Do you support searching the homes of those
> on
> > the terrorist watch list without first obtaining
> a
> > warrant?
>
> No, but being on the terrorist watch list should
> make it easier to obtain a warrant.
>
> > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list enjoy
> the
> > right to counsel in criminal trials?
>
> Yes
>
> > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have
> the
> > right to a jury trial?
>
> Yes
>
> > Q. Can the government engage in cruel and
> unusual
> > punishment against those on the terrorist watch
> > list?
>
> No


So, in conclusion you are a hypocritical asshole. You want to be able to take away one right, but preserve the rest.

due process Wrote:
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> No Guns for Terrorists! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > STOP SELLING GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO TERRORISTS
> IN
> > THE US!!!!!! PERIOD!!!
> >
> > Answers to your question below.
> >
> >
> > due process Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > OP, a few questions for you:
> > >
> > > Q. Do you believe that those on the
> terrorist
> > > watch list should be prohibited from
> practicing
> > > their religion?
> >
> > NO
> >
> > > Q. Should we force those on the terrorist
> > watch
> > > list to house military personnel in their
> > homes?
> >
> > NO
> >
> > > Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list
> have
> > > Miranda rights in the United States?
> >
> > YES
> >
> > > Q. Do you support searching the homes of
> those
> > on
> > > the terrorist watch list without first
> obtaining
> > a
> > > warrant?
> >
> > No, but being on the terrorist watch list
> should
> > make it easier to obtain a warrant.
> >
> > > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list
> enjoy
> > the
> > > right to counsel in criminal trials?
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list have
> > the
> > > right to a jury trial?
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > Q. Can the government engage in cruel and
> > unusual
> > > punishment against those on the terrorist
> watch
> > > list?
> >
> > No
>
>
> So, in conclusion you are a hypocritical asshole.
> You want to be able to take away one right, but
> preserve the rest.

Why is it so hard for republicans to stop giving guns to ISIS supporters in the US????

'The illusion of security': no-fly list draws scrutiny from left and right

As Obama calls for a ban on gun purchases by those on the terrorist watch list, even staunch gun-control advocates raise concerns about a document that has mistakenly included leading politicians, military veterans and babies

David Smith
Wednesday 9 December 2015 00.00 EST Last modified on Wednesday 9 December 2015 09.31 EST


“Closing the No-Fly List loophole is a no-brainer,” Barack Obama tweeted on Tuesday, arguing that Congress should pass laws to prevent anyone on the government’s terrorist watch list from buying a gun.

On the surface, it seems sound logic to prevent weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. Yet there are many on both the left and right of the political spectrum who question the president’s faith in the no-fly list. Even some diehard opponents of private gun ownership suggest that Obama has chosen the wrong line of attack.

Drawn up by the FBI in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the no-fly list is widely held in disrepute. It contains 700,000 names, according to one estimate, and has mistakenly included infants, US military veterans and politicians including Edward Kennedy and John Lewis. Critics describe it as unwieldy, unfocused and unlikely to achieve its aims – a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

“The public can’t have any confidence in the list itself,” said Tim Sparapani, a privacy consultant at SPQR Strategies. “It should be a very small list of people with the means, motive and opportunity to create havoc with travel. It seems to have been hastily assembled and not properly scrubbed.”

The exact number of people on the list, and the criteria used to put them there, are state secrets, although past travel to certain countries, social media postings, drug use and human error are believed to be factors.

“It cannot be effective because there is no sense of due process for individuals to get on and off the list,” Sparapani continued. “Any list that’s had as many reported problems as this one calls into question how useful it is.”

A recurring problem is that people with similar names get caught in the net, causing, at the very least, repeated irritation. This is particularly acute with imprecise English translations from languages such as Arabic.

Until the list is fixed, opponents hold, it should not be used to curb freedoms. “It’s better for the government to focus on known terrorists and have a tiny list than have a bloated list that comprises hundreds of thousands of individuals and diverts attention and resources away from the target,” Sparapani added. “It is the illusion of security without the enhancement.”

The no-fly list is among the most secretive official measures born of 9/11. Estimates of its size vary. A source at the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said the number doubled after the so-called underwear bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was caught on a US-bound flight 2009.

According to the FBI’s terrorist screening center, which maintains the list, there were approximately 16,000 people, fewer than 500 of them Americans, on the no-fly list as of September 2011. This had risen to 47,000 people in August 2013, including about 800 Americans, a leak to the Intercept news media site revealed.

The numbers are thought likely to be higher now but the FBI declined to comment.

Dave Joly, a spokesperson for the screening center, said that it did not publicly confirm or deny whether someone was on the list.

“Disclosure of an individual’s inclusion or non-inclusion in the TSDB [Terrorist Screening Database] or on the no-fly list would significantly impair the government’s ability to investigate and counteract terrorism,” Joly said.

Among the high-profile blunders, Ted Kennedy told the Senate judiciary committee in 2004 that he had been halted and interrogated at least five times at several different airports. A government administration official told the Washington Post that Kennedy was held up because the name “T Kennedy” had become a popular alias among terrorist suspects.

In 2012, JetBlue airline removed an 18-month-old girl from a flight before takeoff after she was flagged as no-fly. JetBlue later apologised, blaming the incident on a computer glitch.

Getting on the list is much easier than getting off. Rahinah Ibrahim, a Malaysian citizen and Muslim, was stopped from flying in 2005 at San Francisco’s airport. It took her nine years in the courts to finally clear her name before she could board a plane again.

In another lawsuit last year, four American Muslims accused the FBI of placing them on the no-fly list either to intimidate them into becoming informants or to retaliate against them for declining.

In 2010 the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) filed a legal challenge on behalf of 10 (later 13) US citizens and permanent residents who were on the no-fly list. It argued that the individuals were never told why they were on the list or given a reasonable opportunity to get off it, and described how the ban had severely affected their lives.

Last year, a court ruled that the system for challenging inclusion on the list was unconstitutional, and the government announced in April 2015 that it would tell US citizens whether they are on the list and possibly offer some reasons. But the ACLU contends that the new redress process still falls far short because it denies people meaningful notice evidence and a hearing.

On Wednesday, the ACLU will argue in court that the standards for inclusion on the no-fly list are unconstitutionally vague. Hina Shamsi, director of the ACLU National Security Project, said: “The government puts people on the no-fly list using vague and over-broad standards, and it is wrongly blacklisting innocents.”

“The government has emphasized that it is making predictive judgments that people like our clients – who have never been charged let alone convicted of a crime – might nevertheless pose a threat,” Shamsi wrote in a blog post this week. “As we’ve told the court based on evidence from experts, these kinds of predictions guarantee a high risk of error. If the government is going to predict that Americans pose a threat and blacklist them, that’s even more reason for the fundamental safeguards we seek.”

More power for the federal govt and less for the people is always the right answer.

The federal government lacks an effective system for allowing people to get off the no-fly list who are put there by mistake, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by 13 American citizens and permanent residents, including four military veterans, who have been barred from flights to or from the United States or over U.S. airspace. Many of them have been told they're on the government's no-fly list.

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Each of them applied for relief under the Department of Homeland Security's Traveler Redress Inquiry Program, but Judge Anna Brown of Oregon said the program is so lacking in providing fairness that it's unconstitutional.

If the government mistakenly puts someone on the list, the judge said, the redress process "does not provide a meaningful mechanism for travelers who have been denied boarding to correct erroneous information in the government's terrorism databases."

Those who file a complaint are merely told, after the government considers it, that the review has been completed. It does not reveal whether a person's name was on the no-fly list in the past, remains on it or has been removed.

Without knowing what information the government relied on, the judge said, a traveler has no way to contest or correct what may be a mistake. "Without proper notice and an opportunity to be heard, an individual could be doomed to indefinite placement on the no-fly list."

The Obama administration had argued that the risk of errors is low because of extensive quality controls and frequent reviews of the names on the list. But Judge Brown noted the case of Rahinah Ibrahim, a Malaysian architect, who successfully sued when she was wrongly put on the list after a federal agent checked the wrong box on a form.

Given the low standard for putting a name in the master terrorism database from which the no-fly list is derived, the judge said, the process "contains a high risk of erroneous deprivation" of constitutional rights.

Don't give guns to suspects on the terrorist watch list.

That's just common sense that the GOP and republicans will overlook for a few $$$$ in their back pockets.

So, sure let the mother of the ISIS terrorist go buy AK's right now... sure...

(CNN)The twin debates over gun control and terrorism are converging at the airport.

Democrats want to use the federal government's no-fly list, meant to keep suspected terrorists grounded, as a guideline for enforcing new laws to restrict firearm purchases.

Senate Republicans blocked that effort last week, but President Barack Obama kept up his push this weekend.

"Right now, people on the no-fly list can walk into a store and buy a gun," Obama said in his weekly radio address. "That is insane." He made a similar appeal during his address to the nation on Sunday night.

The new initiative is reviving questions about the legality and efficacy of the no-fly list, which has drawn criticism and challenges in court by civil rights groups, including the ACLU.

After losing a key ruling in a recent lawsuit, the federal government in April said it would begin to proactively inform people of their status and create a more transparent system for contesting the designation — a process the ACLU once described as a "Kafkaesque bureaucracy."

While the criteria for adding individuals to the list remains murky, one thing is for sure: it's still a lot easier to get on the list than get off it. Even in clear cases of mistaken identity or clerical blundering, a name can linger in the system for years.

Here are a few of the most high-profile flying foul-ups (some of which are directly tied to the no-fly list, while others are less clear).

Cat on a leash

In 2004, a Washington-bound United Airlines flight from London was diverted to Maine after officials discovered Yusuf Islam, the singer formerly known as Cat Stevens, was on board. Islam was denied entry into the U.S. and made to return to the U.K.

"Celebrity or unknown, our job is to act on information that others have given us," Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said at the time. "And in this instance, there was some relationship between the name and the terrorists' activity with this individual's name being on that no-fly list, and appropriate action was taken."

But there was no further formal explanation and Islam was allowed in 2006 to enter the U.S. without incident.

A famous senator

Sen. Ted Kennedy told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2004 that he had been stopped and interrogated on at least five occasions as he attempted to board flights at several different airports. A Bush administration official explained to the Washington Post that Kennedy had been held up because the name "T. Kennedy" had become a popular pseudonym among terror suspects.

John Lewis's long year

On the same day Kennedy revealed his flight troubles, civil rights icon and longtime Rep. John Lewis revealed he, too, had been snarled by the watchlist dragnet. According to his office, the Georgia Democrat had over the course of a year been held up 35 to 40 times. Despite reaching out to a number of federal agencies over that period, Lewis' name had remained on a list.

Oh, baby

No-fly headaches aren't just for international pop stars and federal lawmakers. In 2012, Jet Blue removed an 18-month-old child from a flight before takeoff.

The girl's mother, speaking to a CNN affiliate, said she was informed by an airline employee, "Your daughter was flagged as no fly."

The TSA, which usually remains mum on these matters, categorically denied that young Riyanna had been flagged. JetBlue later apologized, blaming the incident on a computer "glitch." There are multiple reports of children, at least two under the age of 10, being delayed because of similar errors.

The adventures of Ozzie and Harriet's son

The post-9/11 skies have not been so friendly to an assortment of David Nelsons, most notably the late actor and producer who starred as child on ABC's "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet." In 2002, a ticket agent in Los Angeles stopped him from boarding a Salt Lake City-bound flight after his name popped up on a watch list. He was eventually allowed to board, but many others with similar names were not so lucky.

Caught up in the story

Two journalists, CNN's own Drew Griffin and Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard, have also been tangled up in the messy system. Hayes learned he had been added to a terror database. Why? Hayes told NPR last year he doesn't know for sure, but says a TSA agent told him trips to Turkey, including a one-way flight into Istanbul, probably did the trick.

In 2008, soon after filing a report on the federal air marshals program, Griffin discovered his name was on a no-fly list. Responding to a call for an investigation by House Democrats, then Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said it was "not my understanding" the reporter was placed on the list, but conceded, "We do have circumstances where we have name mismatches."

We'll deny felons guns but republicans want ISIS to have guns??

Brilliant idea republicans.

the same libtard phonies who just recently started pretending to care about the constitution (as it applies to foreigners, lol) are now insisting we need to take away constitutional rights without any due process or transparency. lemme guess - ya'll voted for obama amirite? twice?

MePFV Wrote:
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> the same libtard phonies who just recently started
> pretending to care about the constitution (as it
> applies to foreigners, lol) are now insisting we
> need to take away constitutional rights without
> any due process or transparency. lemme guess -
> ya'll voted for obama amirite? twice?

All Muslims are not on the terrorist watch list.

I have no problem with not letting known terrorists or people on the no-fly not enter the country.

In addition do not sell guns to known terrorists in the US.

that list has lots of law abiding American citizens on it for some *strange* reason. should we just say they have no rights because someone put them on a list?

Fucking libs need to learn the differences between TIDE and NICS.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorist_Identities_Datamart_Environment



https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics

Hmm, if they are a 'know terrorist' what are they doing buying anything in our country? Shouldn't they be in jail?

Arming ISIS Wrote:
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> We'll deny felons guns but republicans want ISIS
> to have guns??
>
> Brilliant idea republicans.


Felons are felons because they have received due process and have been convicted of a felony.

You stupid fucking libtard.

Don't give guns to bank felons and don't give guns to terrorists!

Fucking republicans have NO COMMON sense.

if lord obama put your name on a list you have no rights. if you did not vote for obama you belong on the list.

Another reason republicans hate Trump's support of HR 1076.

Glad to see that Trump can see through the bullshit lobbyists in DC.

GOP Arming ISIS in US Wrote:
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> due process Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > No Guns for Terrorists! Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > STOP SELLING GUNS AND EXPLOSIVES TO
> TERRORISTS
> > IN
> > > THE US!!!!!! PERIOD!!!
> > >
> > > Answers to your question below.
> > >
> > >
> > > due process Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > OP, a few questions for you:
> > > >
> > > > Q. Do you believe that those on the
> > terrorist
> > > > watch list should be prohibited from
> > practicing
> > > > their religion?
> > >
> > > NO
> > >
> > > > Q. Should we force those on the terrorist
> > > watch
> > > > list to house military personnel in their
> > > homes?
> > >
> > > NO
> > >
> > > > Q. Do people on the terrorist watch list
> > have
> > > > Miranda rights in the United States?
> > >
> > > YES
> > >
> > > > Q. Do you support searching the homes of
> > those
> > > on
> > > > the terrorist watch list without first
> > obtaining
> > > a
> > > > warrant?
> > >
> > > No, but being on the terrorist watch list
> > should
> > > make it easier to obtain a warrant.
> > >
> > > > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list
> > enjoy
> > > the
> > > > right to counsel in criminal trials?
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
> > > > Q. Do those on the terrorist watch list
> have
> > > the
> > > > right to a jury trial?
> > >
> > > Yes
> > >
> > > > Q. Can the government engage in cruel and
> > > unusual
> > > > punishment against those on the terrorist
> > watch
> > > > list?
> > >
> > > No
> >
> >
> > So, in conclusion you are a hypocritical
> asshole.
> > You want to be able to take away one right, but
> > preserve the rest.
>
> Why is it so hard for republicans to stop giving
> guns to ISIS supporters in the US????


Because, unlike you and your Democrat friends, we actually believe these words have meaning:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.

If you turn a no fly list into a no gun list and leave the determination as to who goes on it to a nameless bureaucrat, it will certainly be abused.


How do I know?


Here's how I know...

the still remaining obama loyalists are totally incapable of thinking for themselves as you can see in this thread. lord obama calls someone a terrorist? that's all we need to know. obama could stand at a podium and fart and these people want it declared law.

If they are known terrorists and in the US, why are they not in jail?

How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at the time) get on the list?

jayman2014 Wrote:
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> If they are known terrorists and in the US, why
> are they not in jail?
>
> How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at the
> time) get on the list?

Because he was a drunken asshole who kills young women.

Chappaquiddick Wrote:
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> jayman2014 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If they are known terrorists and in the US, why
> > are they not in jail?
> >
> > How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at the
> > time) get on the list?
>
> Because he was a drunken asshole who kills young
> women.

Quick somebody change the topic.

Still doesn't change the fact that republicans want people in the US that are on terrorist watch lists to have guns.

Give Guns to Terrorists in US Wrote:
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> Chappaquiddick Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > jayman2014 Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If they are known terrorists and in the US,
> why
> > > are they not in jail?
> > >
> > > How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at the
> > > time) get on the list?
> >
> > Because he was a drunken asshole who kills
> young
> > women.
>
> Quick somebody change the topic.
>
> Still doesn't change the fact that republicans
> want people in the US that are on terrorist watch
> lists to have guns.


And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats want to deny you your civil liberties and any due process!

nopers Wrote:
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> > Quick somebody change the topic.
> >
> > Still doesn't change the fact that republicans
> > want people in the US that are on terrorist
> watch
> > lists to have guns.
>
>
> And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats want
> to deny you your civil liberties and any due
> process!

Still doesn't change the fact that republicans
want people in the US that are on terrorist watch
lists to have guns.

nopers Wrote:
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> Give Guns to Terrorists in US Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Chappaquiddick Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > jayman2014 Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > If they are known terrorists and in the US,
> > why
> > > > are they not in jail?
> > > >
> > > > How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at
> the
> > > > time) get on the list?
> > >
> > > Because he was a drunken asshole who kills
> > young
> > > women.
> >
> > Quick somebody change the topic.
> >
> > Still doesn't change the fact that republicans
> > want people in the US that are on terrorist
> watch
> > lists to have guns.
>
>
> And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats want
> to deny you your civil liberties and any due
> process!

Umm.. there was due process and they got added to the terrorist watch list.

I'm not saying deport them. I'm saying no GUN sales to them like we do with felons!

NO GUNS(AK's etc) sales to those on the terrorist watch list!

Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> Umm.. there was due process and they got added to
> the terrorist watch list.

How so? Were they notified they were being placed on the watch list? Did they have an opportunity to challenge their placement on the watch list? Were they provided or allowed counsel to challenge their placement on the watch list?

EDVwV Wrote:
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> nopers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Quick somebody change the topic.
> > >
> > > Still doesn't change the fact that
> republicans
> > > want people in the US that are on terrorist
> > watch
> > > lists to have guns.
> >
> >
> > And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats
> want
> > to deny you your civil liberties and any due
> > process!
>
> Still doesn't change the fact that republicans
> want people in the US that are on terrorist watch
> lists to have guns.

And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats want to deny you your civil liberties and any due process!

Why are they not in Jail?? But.. Really..

I would be OK with this if there was a court hearing and the accused could demand a jury trial.. Supposed Secret Shit against someone with no way to challenge it is Un American Bullshit.. And Un Constitutional as well.

Now Watch Libs embrace it...

DAJAX

USA has too many quality arms manufacturers.

when are we going to block gun importers like MEXICO who dont even allow their public to have guns

ban guns from MEXICO would be an EXCELLENT start

Voice of Reason Wrote:
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> nopers Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Give Guns to Terrorists in US Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Chappaquiddick Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > jayman2014 Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > > > If they are known terrorists and in the
> US,
> > > why
> > > > > are they not in jail?
> > > > >
> > > > > How did Ted Kennedy (a sitting Senator at
> > the
> > > > > time) get on the list?
> > > >
> > > > Because he was a drunken asshole who kills
> > > young
> > > > women.
> > >
> > > Quick somebody change the topic.
> > >
> > > Still doesn't change the fact that
> republicans
> > > want people in the US that are on terrorist
> > watch
> > > lists to have guns.
> >
> >
> > And it doesn't change the fact that Democrats
> want
> > to deny you your civil liberties and any due
> > process!
>
> Umm.. there was due process and they got added to
> the terrorist watch list.
>
> I'm not saying deport them. I'm saying no GUN
> sales to them like we do with felons!
>
> NO GUNS(AK's etc) sales to those on the terrorist
> watch list!

Cool! Any idea how you get on the watch list? Neither does anyone else.
Do you have any idea how you get off the list? No answer to that one either. You libs really don't care for freedom do you?

I for one hope that those 70+ employees that are on the watch list over at DHS sue the president and the government for trying to deny them firearm protection.

>Sen. Ted Kennedy told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2004 that he had been stopped and interrogated on at least five occasions as he attempted to board flights at several different airports. A Bush administration official explained to the Washington Post that Kennedy had been held up because the name "T. Kennedy" had become a popular pseudonym among terror suspects.

I can't believe someone with criminal intent would lie about their identity? What is the world coming to?

It's just complete insane that republicans want to leave terrorist buy AK and automatic weapons in the US. INSANE!!!

M77yD Wrote:
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> It's just complete insane that republicans want to
> leave terrorist buy AK and automatic weapons in
> the US. INSANE!!!

Your assumption that Republicans want terrorists to be able to buy "AK and automatic weapons" is pure bullshit and nothing but your own idle fantasy.
Republicans do however know the difference between TIDES and NICS. You obviously do not. Do your homework before shooting off your mouth.

Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
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> Your assumption that Republicans want terrorists
> to be able to buy "AK and automatic weapons" is
> pure bullshit and nothing but your own idle
> fantasy.


No assumption. It's the truth. Read 1076 that republicans are blocking. Republicans don't give two shits who buys AK's in the US.

It's all about the cash republicans get from gun lobbyists. That's it.

Australia stopped gun massacres by "well regulated" gun restrictions ... why can't we? ..

Ironic thing is is that all the pro guntards are agreeing with the ACLU on this one. They are more afraid that not letting "known terrorists" buy all the guns, explosives, nitrate and diesel fuel they want will somehow erode their second amendment rights somehow and that the feds will show up at their doors to take the precious guns away, Allah David Koresh. They feel safer thinking they have more fire power than the terrorists. Get with the program everyone. Whether you choose to believe it or not we are at war with these extremist fucks and all the fat assed gun show going righttards will not be able stand up to these well trained zealots. That is up to law enforcement and the military so why make their jobs harder?

Just yesterday I was talking to a work acquaintance about this very issue. He stated he was concerned that not letting people on a watch list have 2nd amendment rights would open the door for the feds to start taking guns away from the good hard working Americans that will be voting for Trump. This guy is the perfect example of the Rush Limbaugh, Wal-Mart Republicans. They bitch about big government but work for the government. Bitch about taxes but are paid with taxpayer $$$. Worry about Obama taking their guns but that hasn't happened yet and cry foul when the ATF wants to put trace elements in dynamite so it can be tracked. Face it fucktards the NRA is out of control and has distorted the second amendment in favor of the gun manufactures and gun lobbyists with your help over the last 50 years. So I guess one could ask who are the real terrorists? Could they be the Fucking right tard idiots? Keep sucking LaPierre's cock you assholes.
ACLU

RERALI Wrote:
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> Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Your assumption that Republicans want
> terrorists
> > to be able to buy "AK and automatic weapons" is
> > pure bullshit and nothing but your own idle
> > fantasy.
>
>
> No assumption. It's the truth. Read 1076 that
> republicans are blocking. Republicans don't give
> two shits who buys AK's in the US.
>
> It's all about the cash republicans get from gun
> lobbyists. That's it.

Quite to the contrary, the Republicans are following the will of their constituents. Get used to it. Let me know when you know the difference
between TIDE and NICS.

oeieury Wrote:
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> Australia stopped gun massacres by "well
> regulated" gun restrictions ... why can't we? ..

Move to Australia.

Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
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> RERALI Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> >
> > > Your assumption that Republicans want
> > terrorists
> > > to be able to buy "AK and automatic weapons"
> is
> > > pure bullshit and nothing but your own idle
> > > fantasy.
> >
> >
> > No assumption. It's the truth. Read 1076 that
> > republicans are blocking. Republicans don't
> give
> > two shits who buys AK's in the US.
> >
> > It's all about the cash republicans get from
> gun
> > lobbyists. That's it.
>
> Quite to the contrary, the Republicans are
> following the will of their constituents. Get used
> to it. Let me know when you know the difference
> between TIDE and NICS.

Bullshit! They are following the $$$ big gun lobbyists! That's why Trump is killing them in poles.

Nobody wants guns sold terrorists except gun lobbyists and manufactures who don't give a shit who buys a gun as long they get $$$. Pathic!!

Pathic!! Wrote:
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> Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > RERALI Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > > Your assumption that Republicans want
> > > terrorists
> > > > to be able to buy "AK and automatic
> weapons"
> > is
> > > > pure bullshit and nothing but your own idle
> > > > fantasy.
> > >
> > >
> > > No assumption. It's the truth. Read 1076
> that
> > > republicans are blocking. Republicans don't
> > give
> > > two shits who buys AK's in the US.
> > >
> > > It's all about the cash republicans get from
> > gun
> > > lobbyists. That's it.
> >
> > Quite to the contrary, the Republicans are
> > following the will of their constituents. Get
> used
> > to it. Let me know when you know the difference
> > between TIDE and NICS.
>
> Bullshit! They are following the $$$ big gun
> lobbyists! That's why Trump is killing them in
> poles.
>
> Nobody wants guns sold terrorists except gun
> lobbyists and manufactures who don't give a shit
> who buys a gun as long they get $$$. Pathic!!

If that were the case their constituents would vote them out of office. You still haven't familiarized yourself with TIDE and NICS. Too many big words for you?

Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
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> Pathic!! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > RERALI Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
> > > >
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > >
> > > > -----
> > > >
> > > > > Your assumption that Republicans want
> > > > terrorists
> > > > > to be able to buy "AK and automatic
> > weapons"
> > > is
> > > > > pure bullshit and nothing but your own
> idle
> > > > > fantasy.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > No assumption. It's the truth. Read 1076
> > that
> > > > republicans are blocking. Republicans don't
> > > give
> > > > two shits who buys AK's in the US.
> > > >
> > > > It's all about the cash republicans get
> from
> > > gun
> > > > lobbyists. That's it.
> > >
> > > Quite to the contrary, the Republicans are
> > > following the will of their constituents. Get
> > used
> > > to it. Let me know when you know the
> difference
> > > between TIDE and NICS.
> >
> > Bullshit! They are following the $$$ big gun
> > lobbyists! That's why Trump is killing them in
> > poles.
> >
> > Nobody wants guns sold terrorists except gun
> > lobbyists and manufactures who don't give a
> shit
> > who buys a gun as long they get $$$. Pathic!!
>
> If that were the case their constituents would
> vote them out of office. You still haven't
> familiarized yourself with TIDE and NICS. Too many
> big words for you?

It's clear that the 2000 people on the terrorist watchlist and no-fly list are ticking terrorists.

We should not be selling them AK's. Republicans are acting shamefully!

Republicans should just make express lanes at gun shops for terrorists. That would make it easier for the terrorists on the no-fly list.

Too Bad Trump is not already in office.

People should be allowed to open carry in the capital....
I mean if guns make us safer and all

Easy Wrote:
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> Republicans should just make express lanes at gun
> shops for terrorists. That would make it easier
> for the terrorists on the no-fly list.


What about the non-terrorists on the no fly list?

Also, you do realize that the President mislead you when he mentioned denying firearms to those on the no-fly list? Diane Feinstein's spokesperson even admitted as much.

jnbvf Wrote:
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> Easy Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Republicans should just make express lanes at
> gun
> > shops for terrorists. That would make it
> easier
> > for the terrorists on the no-fly list.
>
>
> What about the non-terrorists on the no fly list?
>
> Also, you do realize that the President mislead
> you when he mentioned denying firearms to those on
> the no-fly list? Diane Feinstein's spokesperson
> even admitted as much.

You actually expect libs to know what they're talking about instead of just making shit up?

Adjudicate? What'sThat? Wrote:
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> > Also, you do realize that the President mislead
> > you when he mentioned denying firearms to those
> on
> > the no-fly list? Diane Feinstein's
> spokesperson
> > even admitted as much.
>
> You actually expect libs to know what they're
> talking about instead of just making shit up?

Here we go with republicans protecting the turbine head terrorists again.

More people per 10000 are killed by guns in Mexico than the US and its illegal to own a gun in Mexico.

It aint the guns bro.


libs feel

Conservs think

Turbine Wrote:
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> Adjudicate? What'sThat? Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > > Also, you do realize that the President
> mislead
> > > you when he mentioned denying firearms to
> those
> > on
> > > the no-fly list? Diane Feinstein's
> > spokesperson
> > > even admitted as much.
> >
> > You actually expect libs to know what they're
> > talking about instead of just making shit up?
>
> Here we go with republicans protecting the turbine
> head terrorists again.

Find yourself with a dictionary and look up the word "adjudicate" moron.

libtards don't care if politicians use dishonest tactics to disarm the population. the end justifies the means. they'll gladly tell the same lies.

Sgt Sandbags Wrote:
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> oeieury Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Australia stopped gun massacres by "well
> > regulated" gun restrictions ... why can't we?
> ..
>
> Move to Australia.

Are your testicles sand or were you hiding behind the sandbags?
Tough talk for a internet Sgt. Sand sticks to bullshit.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/zachary-leshin/congressional-testimony-because-we-are-not-muslims-we-are-being-burned