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Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 21, 2009 05:45PM

What is everybody's take here on this Revolution for Freedom?

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: June 21, 2009 06:25PM

All I can say is that Persian women are fine as hell.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Soraya ()
Date: June 21, 2009 06:27PM

I can't wait to hear what our great President Barry has to say about the situation- let's see...how can he blame Bush for this?

Didn't President Jimmy Carter have problems with Iran?

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: June 21, 2009 06:31PM

I blame Irans problems on Iran.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 21, 2009 07:42PM

Anyone else think its cool to see people fighting for freedom? Could be us one day.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: ?uestoin Mark ()
Date: June 21, 2009 08:00PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Anyone else think its cool to see people fighting
> for freedom? Could be us one day.

I wish it was. Unfortunately, nobody gave a shit about the bailouts, the recent conversion of our government into a banking dictatorship, or the election of Obama. Americans have lost their hunger and are too fat and complacent to care about our sustainability. We're like Rocky at the beginning of Rocky III...fat and out of shape.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Stinkfist ()
Date: June 21, 2009 10:23PM

?uestoin Mark Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Anyone else think its cool to see people
> fighting
> > for freedom? Could be us one day.
>
> I wish it was. Unfortunately, nobody gave a shit
> about the bailouts, the recent conversion of our
> government into a banking dictatorship, or the
> election of Obama. Americans have lost their
> hunger and are too fat and complacent to care
> about our sustainability. We're like Rocky at the
> beginning of Rocky III...fat and out of shape.


Yeah but we're still Rocky :)

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: June 21, 2009 11:51PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Anyone else think its cool to see people fighting
> for freedom? Could be us one day.


Absolutely!!! I was at the protest yesterday in DC, and it was awesome. More and more people joined as we walked.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Truth!! ()
Date: June 22, 2009 12:26AM

Persian girls are hot. If Iran was some 'groid country in Africa, nobody would give a shit.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:26AM

I believe america should only focus on americans. who really gives a shit what happens anywhere else. america has its own problems to deal with. why stick our noses where they dont belong? all we can do is start wars. bring back the draft and lets go to world war III

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:35AM

Bloody Blisters -Iran has the potential to be a democratic, pro-u.s nation. This would be paramount in international affairs in the middle east. Americans are supporting innocent people who are being slayed by a corrupt government. This is an okay thing to dapple in as Americans. Revolution for the good people is on the way and America's international status is back on the up and up in the middle east, which only means good things for us and bad things for "terrorist".
Personally if we really wanted to go in and win a war somewhere we should issue a draft for 3-5 years and train the shit out of our citizens then literally fuck up some nation, then come home and focus on science, education, and important things for the future. WW3 is not a great idea.

Melissa- I am not sure if that was a serious absolutely or if you really par-took in DC demonstrations for the green freedom. If you did, kudos, if not well shame on you.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 22, 2009 06:51AM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> if we really wanted to go in and win a war somewhere
> we should bomb it until there are no survivors


i fixed it for you.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: June 22, 2009 09:20AM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Melissa- I am not sure if that was a serious
> absolutely or if you really par-took in DC
> demonstrations for the green freedom. If you did,
> kudos, if not well shame on you.

Nope, those were taken by me on my very own camera. I have a number of friends from Iran, and supporting democracy for the majority of the people in Iran who want it, means a lot to me. The stories I have heard about what goes on over there are ridiculous, and makes you feel bad for taking freedom for granted.

I love being an American.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 22, 2009 09:35AM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> What is everybody's take here on this Revolution
> for Freedom?


I think it's great. I think the last thing we need to do is what these idiot neo-cons are recommending - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory by pulling a Dubya.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Adam ()
Date: June 22, 2009 11:08AM

Everyone knows IRAN government is insane, the people of Iran are showing the world what they believe in. This election and protests change my views on Iran for the better.

I think Obama has done a good job so far, but he can't stay silent forever.

By Contrast, Bush would have already sent troops in. blah..

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:07PM

Melissa Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Melissa- I am not sure if that was a serious
> > absolutely or if you really par-took in DC
> > demonstrations for the green freedom. If you
> did,
> > kudos, if not well shame on you.
>
> Nope, those were taken by me on my very own
> camera. I have a number of friends from Iran, and
> supporting democracy for the majority of the
> people in Iran who want it, means a lot to me.
> The stories I have heard about what goes on over
> there are ridiculous, and makes you feel bad for
> taking freedom for granted.
>
> I love being an American.


agreed except i dont know any iranians. It does make me proud to live in America..


WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people from the middle east region and it seems like they want support from The USA. Remember these revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and sticks. If the police keep killing innocent citizens would it be necessary to help?

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:15PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people
> from the middle east region and it seems like they
> want support from The USA. Remember these
> revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and
> sticks. If the police keep killing innocent
> citizens would it be necessary to help?

The American media will show you interviews with people saying they want American help in Iran because we want to see a regime change in Iran, and it generates sympathy to aid in that endeavor. The actual chances of us stepping in and doing anything about it are absolutely zero.

We did not intervene in Myanmar when the Bhuddist monks were being slaughtered during protests, we're not going to intervene in Iran.

Actually, all of the people thinking that we should be involved are thumbing their nose at the very notion of freedom and democracy. "Freedom" does not mean having another country waltz into your sovereign nation and start telling people what's what. Also, after our own brush with voter fraud, we really don't have any room to dictate to others what constitutes a fraudulent election.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Rakosi ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:23PM

All this talk of revolution is making me Hungary!

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 22, 2009 01:47PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people
> > from the middle east region and it seems like
> they
> > want support from The USA. Remember these
> > revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and
> > sticks. If the police keep killing innocent
> > citizens would it be necessary to help?
>
> The American media will show you interviews with
> people saying they want American help in Iran
> because we want to see a regime change in Iran,
> and it generates sympathy to aid in that endeavor.
> The actual chances of us stepping in and doing
> anything about it are absolutely zero.
>
> We did not intervene in Myanmar when the Bhuddist
> monks were being slaughtered during protests,
> we're not going to intervene in Iran.
>
> Actually, all of the people thinking that we
> should be involved are thumbing their nose at the
> very notion of freedom and democracy. "Freedom"
> does not mean having another country waltz into
> your sovereign nation and start telling people
> what's what. Also, after our own brush with voter
> fraud, we really don't have any room to dictate to
> others what constitutes a fraudulent election.



gotcha...and with Obama we are really unlikely to intervene. Hugo Chavez(obamas buddy) is already supporting Irans government. I will continue to keep watch on this situation.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 22, 2009 02:08PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Hugo Chavez(obamas buddy) is already
> supporting Irans government.

That's nothing new.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 22, 2009 02:28PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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>
>
> WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people
> from the middle east region and it seems like they
> want support from The USA. Remember these
> revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and
> sticks. If the police keep killing innocent
> citizens would it be necessary to help?

What is America supposed to do? Send troops in to liberate the Iranians from themselves? Within six months those same people who are throwing rocks in Tehran now will be throwing rocks at our troops.

The Iranians must liberate themselves. They way Americans liberated America from the British.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 22, 2009 03:01PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> >
> >
> > WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people
> > from the middle east region and it seems like
> they
> > want support from The USA. Remember these
> > revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and
> > sticks. If the police keep killing innocent
> > citizens would it be necessary to help?
>
> What is America supposed to do? Send troops in to
> liberate the Iranians from themselves? Within six
> months those same people who are throwing rocks in
> Tehran now will be throwing rocks at our troops.
>
> The Iranians must liberate themselves. They way
> Americans liberated America from the British.


You gotta be joking with that right? When George Washington trapped General Cornwallis and Benedictine (the traitor) at york town he did it with the French Navy blocking the peninsula. Remember we had no navy and most likely would have lost if it was not for the french.

During the Civil War the southerns needed British or French assistance and never got it. They ended up losing.
Usually when dealing with a revolution, the revolutionaries need some sort of diplomatic help with another country. This is no different. I am not saying the USA needs to step in but perhaps another country that supports democracy in relative close distance to Iran.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 22, 2009 06:51PM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Hugo Chavez(obamas buddy) is already
> supporting Irans government.


oh please, chavez will support anything we dont like and condemn everything we do like. chavez is to america as vince is to gravis.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 22, 2009 06:55PM

lol ok my b for bringing that up bad point... just news about the situation.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: June 23, 2009 01:24AM

Dwight. Wrote:
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> Bloody Blisters -Iran has the potential to be a
> democratic, pro-u.s nation. This would be
> paramount in international affairs in the middle
> east. Americans are supporting innocent people who
> are being slayed by a corrupt government. This is
> an okay thing to dapple in as Americans.
> Revolution for the good people is on the way and
> America's international status is back on the up
> and up in the middle east, which only means good
> things for us and bad things for "terrorist".
> Personally if we really wanted to go in and win a
> war somewhere we should issue a draft for 3-5
> years and train the shit out of our citizens then
> literally fuck up some nation, then come home and
> focus on science, education, and important things
> for the future. WW3 is not a great idea.
>
> Melissa- I am not sure if that was a serious
> absolutely or if you really par-took in DC
> demonstrations for the green freedom. If you did,
> kudos, if not well shame on you.



This is Irans problem, the US should have absolutely no involvement in. The problem is, we probably already do. Our CIA is probably throwing fuel on the fire of these revolts in order to get an outcome that is favorable to us. In other words, we're probably doing the same thing we did in the 70's (I think it was the 70's anyways), which is one of the reasons why Iran and the mid east hates us in the first place. We should keep to our selves, i dont give a fuck if this is favorable or not to the US, every country has the right to pick its government, and if that government doenst take your interests to heart, then revolt.

Heres the problem with your last statement about putting a draft in and "fucking up some nation" and the coming home to study "science" and shit. If we initiated a draft, then you would see more protestors than ever. The thought of a rich white mans son being dead is too much for people to handle. And our whole "fucking up" other nations thing is the reason why we are in this pickle with terrorists in the first place. The reason "terrorists" attack us in the first place is not because they "hate freedom" or hate the shit we put on our TV, they hate what we do and what we have done in the past to other less powerful nations. The overthrowing of the Iranian government 30 something years ago through our CIA is just one example, along with our no questions asked pro-israel policy. I dont think terrorism is the answer to these problems, nor do i excuse these acts, but to say that the US has been little angels is bullshit, we've done shit that is just as fucked up as anything they have done (although not intentionally targeting civilians). I'm thinking of the 1 million + innocent civilians that have died in Iraq since the start of this war. Smart bombs? yea, not so smart.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: June 23, 2009 01:26AM

Melissa Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Melissa- I am not sure if that was a serious
> > absolutely or if you really par-took in DC
> > demonstrations for the green freedom. If you
> did,
> > kudos, if not well shame on you.
>
> Nope, those were taken by me on my very own
> camera. I have a number of friends from Iran, and
> supporting democracy for the majority of the
> people in Iran who want it, means a lot to me.
> The stories I have heard about what goes on over
> there are ridiculous, and makes you feel bad for
> taking freedom for granted.
>
> I love being an American.


if the elections werent rigged then the majority of the people in iran clearly dont want democracy. Sometimes what is right for one country is wrong for another. We cannot say that democracy would work accross the board, maybe theocracy would be better for the people, again this is if the election was not rigged... like the G W Bush one? lol

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: June 23, 2009 01:28AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Dwight. Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > WTL and Adam - I have seen interviews of people
> > from the middle east region and it seems like
> they
> > want support from The USA. Remember these
> > revolutionist have no weapons except rocks and
> > sticks. If the police keep killing innocent
> > citizens would it be necessary to help?
>
> The American media will show you interviews with
> people saying they want American help in Iran
> because we want to see a regime change in Iran,
> and it generates sympathy to aid in that endeavor.
> The actual chances of us stepping in and doing
> anything about it are absolutely zero.
>
> We did not intervene in Myanmar when the Bhuddist
> monks were being slaughtered during protests,
> we're not going to intervene in Iran.
>
> Actually, all of the people thinking that we
> should be involved are thumbing their nose at the
> very notion of freedom and democracy. "Freedom"
> does not mean having another country waltz into
> your sovereign nation and start telling people
> what's what. Also, after our own brush with voter
> fraud, we really don't have any room to dictate to
> others what constitutes a fraudulent election.


god damn dead on Mephisto

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: bloody blisters ()
Date: June 23, 2009 02:05AM

i stomp on their city. as well as their macdonalds. that was influenced by america. isn't she great
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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 23, 2009 10:09AM

The video of the murder of Neda will do more to topple the regime in Iran than anything Barack Obama or anyone else can say...


http://infowebexplore.blogspot.com/2009/06/neda-iranian-girl-shot-dead-on-tehran.html

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Dwight. ()
Date: June 23, 2009 01:30PM

^^^

agreed. that joint is crazyyyyyyy

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 23, 2009 01:53PM

oh come on, how could they have possibly known that shooting someone would kill them?!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 23, 2009 03:01PM

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> oh come on, how could they have possibly known
> that shooting someone would kill them?!


The worst part is when the blood starts gushing out of her mouth and her father starts screaming her name. There is another version online from another camera phone where they get her face staring blankly into the sky with blood all over her face. It is a startling image.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 23, 2009 03:34PM

None of this would have happened if guns were restricted to only the police and military.

Oh. Wait.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: June 23, 2009 03:39PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> None of this would have happened if guns were
> restricted to only the police and military.
>
> Oh. Wait.


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"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: June 24, 2009 12:20AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> None of this would have happened if guns were
> restricted to only the police and military.
>
> Oh. Wait.


+2

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 07:53AM

Neda was shot by a religious militia, not government forces.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 07:55AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> None of this would have happened if guns were
> restricted to only the police and military.
>
> Oh. Wait.


Of course, nothing like this could happen in a country where everyone has a gun...

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 24, 2009 08:06AM

Who cares, they're hippies.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 08:09AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Who cares, they're hippies.


Okay then...

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 08:10AM

Or....

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 24, 2009 08:31AM

Apples and oranges, I think. The Iranian population was protesting against what they perceived to be a corrupt government denying them their democratic rights as established in the constitution.

The things you cited were an anti-war protest, a religious nutjob, and a possible militant white supremacist who might have threatened to kill the pope and the president.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 08:58AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Apples and oranges, I think. The Iranian
> population was protesting against what they
> perceived to be a corrupt government denying them
> their democratic rights as established in the
> constitution.
>
> The things you cited were an anti-war protest, a
> religious nutjob, and a possible militant white
> supremacist who might have threatened to kill the
> pope and the president.


My point being that having guns won't prevent the government from killing you, even if what you are doing technically qualifies as civil disobedience (which it certainly did in the cases of Waco and Kent State, regardless of your political leanings).

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 24, 2009 09:31AM

I can agree with you on that. However, it's impossible to have a revolution without guns entering the picture at some point, especially if the other side already has them.

So now the choice being set before the opposition in Iran is either back down and accept it, or take up arms against the government. Let's see what happens during the first 40 day cycle of mournings.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Date: June 24, 2009 10:17AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I can agree with you on that. However, it's
> impossible to have a revolution without guns
> entering the picture at some point, especially if
> the other side already has them.
>
> So now the choice being set before the opposition
> in Iran is either back down and accept it, or take
> up arms against the government. Let's see what
> happens during the first 40 day cycle of
> mournings.


I think people are under the mistaken impression that these people are East Germans in 1989. Should the "reformists" eventually succeed, you may have a kinder and gentler Islamic Theocracy. But these people aren't going to embrace most American policies in the Middle East and they certainly aren't going to be pro-Israel.

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Re: Iran Revolution
Posted by: Kenny_Powers ()
Date: June 25, 2009 01:07AM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I can agree with you on that. However, it's
> > impossible to have a revolution without guns
> > entering the picture at some point, especially
> if
> > the other side already has them.
> >
> > So now the choice being set before the
> opposition
> > in Iran is either back down and accept it, or
> take
> > up arms against the government. Let's see what
> > happens during the first 40 day cycle of
> > mournings.
>
>
> I think people are under the mistaken impression
> that these people are East Germans in 1989. Should
> the "reformists" eventually succeed, you may have
> a kinder and gentler Islamic Theocracy. But these
> people aren't going to embrace most American
> policies in the Middle East and they certainly
> aren't going to be pro-Israel.


im 50/50 on your statement above. I agree that most of the population will still be strict muslims who want a theocracy. But I also believe that a majority of the educated youth in Iran is pro democracy pro US, so i think there is a pretty decent chance of a change in the zeitgeist of Iran.

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