http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/18/AR2009061803877.html?hpid=moreheadlines

So of course, just saying we are "sorry for slavery" is not good enough. All the folks that want more money for the fact that their ancestors packaged them up and sold them to the Europeans and other nations as slaves will never be happy until they get their handout from the government. I would have no problem with that if they hadn't also fought for years to get other advantages (due to their supposed "disadvantage") for things from college tuition to hiring practices.

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Randall Robinson, author of "The Debt: What America Owes to Blacks," said he sees the Senate's apology as a "confession" that should lead to a next step of reparations. "Much is owed, and it is very quantifiable," he said. "It is owed as one would owe for any labor that one has not paid for, and until steps are taken in that direction we haven't accomplished anything."
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When they finally authorize a payout for reparations, or win a "landmark legal decision" against the US government for them, what will they have left to bitch about?

If you can’t model the past, where you know the answer pretty well, how can you model the future? - William Happer Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics Princeton University



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Nobody asking for reparations was a slave. If there are any people left that were actually slaves, I say give them a million dollars.

These people are actually more damaging to their cause then not.

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Where de money? I wonts it now.

Re: Senate Backs Apology for Slavery in the US new
Posted by: Marion Berry ()
Date: June 19, 2009 05:55PM


Where de money? I wonts it now.


Need more crack and hookers???

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Ugh, they should have to pay back all the extra scholarships and job advancements they have received.



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That is such horse shit. I didn't own anyone, nor did my family members. Now if they want to come mow my grass and clean my gutters, I'd be happy to give them $50.

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Melissa Wrote:
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> That is such horse shit. I didn't own anyone, nor
> did my family members. Now if they want to come
> mow my grass and clean my gutters, I'd be happy to
> give them $50.

We all benifit from the past labor of slaves....the White House was built by slaves...and that is just one example.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

Yeah, but that doesn't mean I should pay some homeboy from the hood because someone's grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpayy owned his grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpappy. My relatives weren't even in this country then.

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Where's mine?

Cherokee Wrote:
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> Where's mine?

I'm sure your casino profits are making up for it.

Melissa Wrote:
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> Yeah, but that doesn't mean I should pay some
> homeboy from the hood because someone's
> grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpayy
> owned his grandpappy's grandpappy's grandpappy.
> My relatives weren't even in this country then.


Im not defending or saying anyone owes anyone money. But the wealth..infrastructure...that we enjoy and benifit from today is an accumulation of the labor of others. So the fact your family wasnt here at the time of slavery doesnt mean you arent feeling the benifit of those labors today.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

i say give them 40 inches and a cat. (what the fuck is a mule anyways?) Oh and we should also officially elect Al Sharpton to President of the blacks, since he seems to have taken that title upon himself already.

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> Cherokee Wrote:
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> > Where's mine?
>
> I'm sure your casino profits are making up for it.

There is a Cherokee owned casino in Fairfax that I didn't know about?
I have no ties to any casinos and do not participate in any "tribal activities".
You are stereotyping and very inaccurately so. Pardon me, but I work for a
living.

I thought Obama was our apology for slavery. And they want more? What the fuck is their problem!?!?

> > Cherokee Wrote:
> >
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> There is a Cherokee owned casino in Fairfax that I
> didn't know about?
> I have no ties to any casinos and do not
> participate in any "tribal activities".
> You are stereotyping and very inaccurately so.
> Pardon me, but I work for a
> living.

Good for you. I was making a joke dude, check out the username. I figured most
Cherokee just lived off the royalties from Jeep sales.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/20/2009 03:41AM by cynicalfun.

Apologizing for something you weren't responsible for to people who never experienced the wrong makes no sense whatsoever. Therefore it is perfectly American.

Kenny_Powers Wrote:
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> i say give them 40 inches and a cat. (what the
> fuck is a mule anyways?) Oh and we should also
> officially elect Al Sharpton to President of the
> blacks, since he seems to have taken that title
> upon himself already.


Silly comment. Behave like an adult.

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HHH Wrote:
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> Apologizing for something you weren't responsible
> for to people who never experienced the wrong
> makes no sense whatsoever. Therefore it is
> perfectly American.

I guess the basis for this attitude is..If it didnt happen to me...it didnt happen.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I guess the basis for this attitude is..If it didnt happen to me...it didnt happen.

No idiot that's not it at all. I've read a lot of your other posts on here. You really aren't very bright are you?

HHH Wrote:
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> I guess the basis for this attitude is..If it
> didnt happen to me...it didnt happen.
>
> No idiot that's not it at all. I've read a lot of
> your other posts on here. You really aren't very
> bright are you?

well..thats quite an explanation. Reminder for all 2o something year olds...hurling an insult IS NOT an explanation of your opinion. I know your parents let you get away with that kind of behavior...but you are now an adult...you are expected to be able to explain your opinions.

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What I want to know is since whites are now a minority by defenition in many parts of the country (or soon will be) when will we get priority contract bidding (for minority owned companies), preferential admissions to colleges and jobs based on our race.

We are a minority now, it is only fair.

well..thats quite an explanation. Reminder for all 2o something year olds...hurling an insult IS NOT an explanation of your opinion. I know your parents let you get away with that kind of behavior...but you are now an adult...you are expected to be able to explain your opinions.


Well, let me see if I can explain it to you in terms so easy that even you can understand it: Nobody alive today in this country either owned slaves or was a slave. Therefore an apology by people who did no wrong to people who were never wronged is meaningless as well as pointless. Got it? Probably not but there it is.

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> well..thats quite an explanation. Reminder for all
> 2o something year olds...hurling an insult IS NOT
> an explanation of your opinion. I know your
> parents let you get away with that kind of
> behavior...but you are now an adult...you are
> expected to be able to explain your opinions.
>
>
> Well, let me see if I can explain it to you in
> terms so easy that even you can understand it:
> Nobody alive today in this country either owned
> slaves or was a slave. Therefore an apology by
> people who did no wrong to people who were never
> wronged is meaningless as well as pointless. Got
> it? Probably not but there it is.


The soveriegn Government of the United States was..and I believe that is who offered the apology.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

The soveriegn Government of the United States was..and I believe that is who offered the apology.

Sovereign government? Oh please. When did the "sovereign" government of the US ever own slaves? On the contrary, they fought a war at a cost of over half a million lives to end it. So what possible service does an apology serve today? Oh yea, it distracts a mindless, brainwashed population away from a bankrupt government,an imploding economy, involvement in two pointless wars, and general world unrest and upheaval.

I really can't believe the pussies running our country (and pussies running big corporations for that matter). Drop the white guilt, grow a spine. There's no way in hell I'd EVER apologize for something I didn't do. Even if my ancestors owned slaves, I wouldn't apologize for slavery.

Anyone who demands an apology for slavery (or reparations!? What a joke!) needs to move on. Slavery happened, it's shitty... no one here today was responsible for it. Quit blaming others for your problems. You are either lazy or racist. Your heads are so far up your asses you might not see the next generation of slavery.

Well put!
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> The soveriegn Government of the United States
> was..and I believe that is who offered the
> apology.
>
> Sovereign government? Oh please. When did the
> "sovereign" government of the US ever own slaves?
> On the contrary, they fought a war at a cost of
> over half a million lives to end it. So what
> possible service does an apology serve today? Oh
> yea, it distracts a mindless, brainwashed
> population away from a bankrupt government,an
> imploding economy, involvement in two pointless
> wars, and general world unrest and upheaval.


Only after 4 score and 20 years did that government fight against slavery and some would say the civil was was never fought to release slaves. And that of course ignore the 200 - 300 year history before we became independent.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

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>im still waiting for white history month and the white movie awards.

This is the equivalent of Jewish children growing up and demanding money from Germany.

It may be just because I'm white and don't know any better, but I kinda thought the whole point of the Emancipation Proclamation saying, "We don't think this is right anymore, now you're free" was sort of apologetic.

Again, neither the people in the government or the people asking for reparations had anything to do with slavery.

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And that of course ignore the 200 - 300 year history before we became independent.

Well, if it was before independence then the government had yet to be formed so could hardly be culpable. Anyway, I've made my point. You continue to argue for the sake of arguing and are not even addressing the issue. Why doesn't the government just argue a blanket apology for every sin it's committed, real or imagined, since its founding? It would be just as meaningless but it would make nitwits like you happy so it would have some merit.

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> And that of course ignore the 200 - 300 year
> history before we became independent.
>
> Well, if it was before independence then the
> government had yet to be formed so could hardly be
> culpable. Anyway, I've made my point. You continue
> to argue for the sake of arguing and are not even
> addressing the issue. Why doesn't the government
> just argue a blanket apology for every sin it's
> committed, real or imagined, since its founding?
> It would be just as meaningless but it would make
> nitwits like you happy so it would have some
> merit.

The case of the federal govt not exisiting ignores the fact that state governemnts did exist.

You made your point!!! OMG all you did was rant like a child..."Mommy, I didnt do it! Jimmy did!" The fact is that slavery is "THE" largest blight on our history...as put by Condolesa RIce....it is the original sin this country was born with. The attitude that diminsishes that reality...diminishes how we have all benifited from the horror of slavery even today....Is an ignorant and racist attitude.

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Racism only exists because people differentiate between the different races. Every time an issue like this comes up, it forces the race issue back into the spotlight, thus reinforcing racism.

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> cynicalfun Wrote:
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> > Cherokee Wrote:
> >
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> > > Where's mine?
> >
> > I'm sure your casino profits are making up for
> it.
>
> There is a Cherokee owned casino in Fairfax that I
> didn't know about?
> I have no ties to any casinos and do not
> participate in any "tribal activities".
> You are stereotyping and very inaccurately so.
> Pardon me, but I work for a
> living.


Well..lets see..the entire thread was an example of white people incorrectly sterotyping. And all you object to is how it affected you...how sad.

Registered Voter...a Big talking coward..big man on FFXU...little man in life.

I'm sorry
For something I didn't do
Lynched somebody
But I don't know who
You blame me for slavery
A hundred years before I was born

Guilty of being white

I'm a convict
Of a racist crime
I've only served
19 years of my time

Guilty of being white

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The case of the federal govt not exisiting ignores the fact that state governemnts did exist.

I really don't know why I am wasting my time on such an ignorant fool as you but I really can't resist. Your knowledge of US history is risibly lacking. If the country was not independent ($10 says that you don't even have a clue what country the US ultimately became independent of) then there were no independent states! Anyway, the point of all this is not to smarten up a chump like you. It's also not to say that slavery wasn't bad. The point is simply that to apologize for it now is a self-serving action devoid of all meaning.
By the way, it may come as a shock to you but this country is not the only place in world where slavery existed. The very word "slave" comes from "Slav" and refers to the Slavs that were kidnapped and sold into slavery for millenia. Who is offering apologies to them? Nobody because it doesn't matter anymore.
Ok, enough education for today. Sit here and make more of your witless, uninformed responses. I've said all I have to say. Maybe you should get off the computer from time to time and read a book. Start with a history book.

wow vince u got pnwed

If anybody is owed anything it's the American Indians. They were here first and the white man destroyed almost everything they had, their culture, etc... Just my opinion.

I can agree with you on that one Warhawk.

As Lupe Fiasco said it

"dont give the black man food give the red man liquor, red man fool, black man nigger, give yellow man tool, make him railroad boulder
also give him pan, make him pull gold from river give black man crack, glocks and things, give red man
craps, slot machines now bring it back"

describes perfectly how America will terrorize its own people living in its nation, then push them towards material objects to counter their wrong doing..

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The fact is that slavery is "THE" largest blight
> on our history...as put by Condolesa RIce....it is
> the original sin this country was born with.

WHAT?!?!? If there's any "original sin" of the country, it's how we slaughtered and stole the land from Native Americans.




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Re: Senate Backs Apology for Slavery in the US
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: June 20, 2009 07:55PM


Vince(1) Wrote:
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> The fact is that slavery is "THE" largest blight
> on our history...as put by Condolesa RIce....it is
> the original sin this country was born with.

WHAT?!?!? If there's any "original sin" of the country, it's how we slaughtered and stole the land from Native Americans.




And look who said it, Condolesa Rice. Big whoop de doo

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Yeah, I went to see it on Valentine's day. It was great!

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my family came here after the land was settled, we never owned slaves. my family owes no apologies.

additionally....
it was 200 years ago!


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

Lol I love Ron Benningtons quote on being white, " I consider being white like being on the New York Knicks, you may not win the championships every year, but atleast you're right there in the playoffs."

I agree with some of the later posts - the only folks that "we" the American people would conceivably owe any kind of sincere apology to would be to the American Indians. The good thing is, in most of the treaty disputes that have been brought to the courts in recent years, they have abided by the original treaty provisions as agreed to by the government at the time where appropriate. There have been a few cases (NY for instance) where tribes were trying to get the State to pay large "lease" or settlement claims on land they let people live and build on, but I don't know how those eventually turned out. Now that they can have casinos and other businesses on reservations they have started to bring in new money to reshape their lands (although there are still a few greedy folks in that process).

Blacks were taken as slaves by other tribes in Africa long before Europeans began trading for them as labor. These same slaves were then traded to the Europeans for other goods. So the original ("inkblot"/tatoo/stain/whatever) slavery was performed by Africans upon other Africans, and then these commodities were traded just like any other resource. Period. All of these reparation talks here in the US are driven by one thing only - Greed. There are folks in the black community who look at this as their big chance to cash in if they can make the government admit it made a mistake (for all Americans) so they can then lock them up in litigation for years - or just make a threat of legal litigation for years by Pro bono lawyers to lean on the government to pay a settlement to them. That is why in the article you see the commentary is mainly driven by folks who note nothing will make any difference until they are "compensated" for the injury done to them.

For all the folks that were in prior arguments here over why the Civil War was fought in this country (and I am NOT one that believes it was about slavery), if you believe it was totally about ending slavery, then I don't see how you can commit to the belief that anyone now living owes any sort of apologies for the hundreds of thousands of their family members that died for the end of slavery.

If black people get reparations from white people for all the slavery we did to them, the jews should get a fuckload of reparations from the egyptians for building the pyramids.

Can you imagine how much it would cost to build a pyramid these days?

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> If black people get reparations from white people
> for all the slavery we did to them, the jews
> should get a fuckload of reparations from the
> egyptians for building the pyramids.
>
> Can you imagine how much it would cost to build a
> pyramid these days?


It's probably not cheap.
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fuck the indians. its not our fault they cant defnd thier sacred land. they lost. they have their own land and basiclly their own government. they shouldn't be sore losers and be grateful for what they have. it could be worse, they might have to pay taxes

How about reparations to the Chinese because we used the coolies to build railroads in California.

How about reparations to the Irish because we conned them into fighting for the Union in the War of the Nortern Agression and usually wound up with them being dead 10 minutes after they stepped on the battle field.

Any others?

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> Any others?

the generations of white people getting blamed for shit they didnt do.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."

why not just give everyone money so a piece of shit would be more valuable than the dollar

Yeah. Like the Germans. Right, Vince?

It will be soon thanks to my new enterprise with Sr. Mephisto and Furfur.
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> why not just give everyone money so a piece of
> shit would be more valuable than the dollar

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> why not just give everyone money so a piece of
> shit would be more valuable than the dollar


I think that's Obama's goal. That way, Africa will finally be wealthy.

And we'll then have our very own Sally Strothers babbling telethons. Yay.

The hell? The US government already paid out money for slavery. Why the hell are they doing it again?

yo, check me out one time! why not just give everyone money oh you think it funny? bitch niggas always sweatin' me bettin me so I gots to holler. a piece of shit would be more valuable than the dollar yo 2009 i'm out.
when i say trebor you say snika
trebor!

Damn! Fresh to death yo.
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