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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: pgens ()
Date: June 10, 2009 01:47PM

obamamyass!!!:: Wrote:
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> Middle class(MC) people do not make $240+ so again
> you are not contributing to this post-be gone!
> $200 increase does affect most MC people with
> children. And again, it is going up everyday!!!!!
> You're my burden right now :)

Re-read my post on the question. I realise it was on the first page on the thread, but it is there. To go up $200 with the rates complained about, you have to make $240k per year. In other words, if you have a $200/mo difference, you have at least $240k year household income. If you don't make $240k a year and have a $200/mo problem, then you are in a loan you couldn't afford.


On the rate charts: you are missing my point entirely... if rates go lower I can refinance and I benefit. If rates go up then I buy US debt and I benefit. 1-Year LIBOR is way lower than it was one year ago, and I benefit from that while benefiting from rising treasury rates.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/10/2009 01:49PM by pgens.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Gov't is the Problem` ()
Date: June 10, 2009 01:48PM

It's hard to believe that I have no friends. I'm sure there's a chart out there that covers that, so once I find it, I'll be sure to post it.

Did everyone hear me? Hello?

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem::::. ()
Date: June 10, 2009 02:15PM

Gov't is the Problem` Wrote:
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> It's hard to believe that I have no friends. I'm
> sure there's a chart out there that covers that,
> so once I find it, I'll be sure to post it.
>
> Did everyone hear me? Hello?

I am not here to make friends. Nor am I here to attack anyone. I merely post facts. For some reason you find that threatening and fell the need to attack. I feel sorry for you.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: June 10, 2009 02:30PM

Govt is the Problem::::. Wrote:
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>
> I merely post facts.


You give yourself too much credit. All you're doing is pasting news articles from random websites.

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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Whining is the Problem' ()
Date: June 10, 2009 02:40PM

Govt is the Problem::::. Wrote:
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>
> I am not here to make friends. Nor am I here to
> attack anyone. I merely post facts. For some
> reason you find that threatening and fell the need
> to attack.

Sure you are. On a substantive basis, you being critical of the current administration is, in fact, an attack on the beliefs of many. If you were of sound mind, you'd save criticism once we're at least a year or two out. It takes time to unwind faulty policy and corrupt free markets. It doesn't happen overnight. You're coming across like Limbaugh or Newt, so the counter-attacks are well-derserved.

On an non-substantive basis, your cutting and pasting of overly lengthy articles and over-blown histograms makes it clear of your intentions that you are anti-Democrat. Where were you before Obama was elected? It's obvious you were trolling under different handles and we didn't hear you then.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem.:.. ()
Date: June 10, 2009 03:46PM

Whining is the Problem' Wrote:
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> > Sure you are. On a substantive basis, you being
> critical of the current administration is, in
> fact, an attack on the beliefs of many.

This is not about the current administration or Obama. If you perceived it as an attack on a man you have become personally attached to then I apologize.

If you
> were of sound mind, you'd save criticism once
> we're at least a year or two out.

Again, this isn't criticism of Obama. He is merely following the same path others have done long before him. I don't expect him to change that anytime soon but if he does then I will give credit where credit is due.

It takes time
> to unwind faulty policy and corrupt free markets.

I will agree with the faulty policy part, but not the free markets (our markets were anything but free)


> It doesn't happen overnight. You're coming across
> like Limbaugh or Newt, so the counter-attacks are
> well-derserved.

When I was pointing out the same issues when Bush was in power I was called an Obama-nazi or a terrorist. People feel the need to lash out when the person they have a personal attachment to is portrayed in a unfavorable light. (I feel the same way about sports writers who bash the Redskins)

>
> On an non-substantive basis, your cutting and
> pasting of overly lengthy articles and over-blown
> histograms makes it clear of your intentions that
> you are anti-Democrat.

No, I'm anti-fascist. I care much more about my fellow man than I do Bush or Obama. I want the common man to have more freedom and liberty.

Where were you before
> Obama was elected? It's obvious you were trolling
> under different handles and we didn't hear you
> then.

I stumbled across this site when some racists were bashing my high school (South Lakes) because of the redistricting. Before that I used to go to a conservative-veterans site (I'm former Navy) and like I said- they called me a liberal terrorist lover. I moved on from there to other anarchist/libertarian sites but it was boring because most people agreed on all the issues.

People need to remove their partisan goggles and see the cold hard facts. That's what I hope to do here.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: June 10, 2009 03:51PM

Govt is the Problem.:.. Wrote:
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> People need to remove their partisan goggles and
> see the cold hard facts. That's what I hope to do
> here.

Thank you for showing me the light. My opinions and beliefs are always influenced by random people on the internet.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: obamamyass!!!::: ()
Date: June 10, 2009 03:57PM

pgens Wrote:
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> obamamyass!!!:: Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Middle class(MC) people do not make $240+ so
> again
> > you are not contributing to this post-be gone!
> > $200 increase does affect most MC people with
> > children. And again, it is going up
> everyday!!!!!
> > You're my burden right now :)
>
> Re-read my post on the question. I realise it was
> on the first page on the thread, but it is there.
> To go up $200 with the rates complained about, you
> have to make $240k per year. In other words, if
> you have a $200/mo difference, you have at least
> $240k year household income. If you don't make
> $240k a year and have a $200/mo problem, then you
> are in a loan you couldn't afford.
>
>
> On the rate charts: you are missing my point
> entirely... if rates go lower I can refinance and
> I benefit. If rates go up then I buy US debt and
> I benefit. 1-Year LIBOR is way lower than it was
> one year ago, and I benefit from that while
> benefiting from rising treasury rates.



Again, I can afford it otherwise my loan would be denied. I can just think of a million other things that $200 could go to, like my 3 children. The interest are rising every fucking day! And people like you are not paying attention because it doesn't affect YOU! And you do not have to be making over 240+ for it ot affect, I don't and it is affecting me!

Just face it, his handouts are now causing the American people to pay! It is like this, if I gave everyone hand-outs at some point it is going to run out and I am going to have to get that money back from some other source. That source is now the American people. The Republicians said this would happen and it has. He was great when the rates were down for a whole 2-3 months like the gas prices and now they are rising. He is full of shit!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem::.. ()
Date: June 10, 2009 04:06PM

obamamyass!!!::: Wrote:
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> Again, I can afford it otherwise my loan would be
> denied. I can just think of a million other
> things that $200 could go to, like my 3 children.
> The interest are rising every fucking day! And
> people like you are not paying attention because
> it doesn't affect YOU! And you do not have to be
> making over 240+ for it ot affect, I don't and it
> is affecting me!
>
> Just face it, his handouts are now causing the
> American people to pay! It is like this, if I
> gave everyone hand-outs at some point it is going
> to run out and I am going to have to get that
> money back from some other source. That source is
> now the American people. The Republicians said
> this would happen and it has. He was great when
> the rates were down for a whole 2-3 months like
> the gas prices and now they are rising. He is
> full of shit!

The Republicans have lost all rights to talk about fiscal conservatism. No one is listening.

In order to have a real recovery the govt needs to allow a full collapse. The rise in rates is perhaps a sign that they are losing their grip on the economic levers.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 10, 2009 04:11PM

Govt is the Problem.:.. Wrote:
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> Whining is the Problem' Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > > Sure you are. On a substantive basis, you
> being
> > critical of the current administration is, in
> > fact, an attack on the beliefs of many.
>
> This is not about the current administration or
> Obama. If you perceived it as an attack on a man
> you have become personally attached to then I
> apologize.
>
> If you
> > were of sound mind, you'd save criticism once
> > we're at least a year or two out.
>
> Again, this isn't criticism of Obama. He is
> merely following the same path others have done
> long before him. I don't expect him to change
> that anytime soon but if he does then I will give
> credit where credit is due.
>
> It takes time
> > to unwind faulty policy and corrupt free
> markets.
>
> I will agree with the faulty policy part, but not
> the free markets (our markets were anything but
> free)
>
>
> > It doesn't happen overnight. You're coming
> across
> > like Limbaugh or Newt, so the counter-attacks
> are
> > well-derserved.
>
> When I was pointing out the same issues when Bush
> was in power I was called an Obama-nazi or a
> terrorist. People feel the need to lash out when
> the person they have a personal attachment to is
> portrayed in a unfavorable light. (I feel the
> same way about sports writers who bash the
> Redskins)
>
> >
> > On an non-substantive basis, your cutting and
> > pasting of overly lengthy articles and
> over-blown
> > histograms makes it clear of your intentions
> that
> > you are anti-Democrat.
>
> No, I'm anti-fascist. I care much more about my
> fellow man than I do Bush or Obama. I want the
> common man to have more freedom and liberty.
>
> Where were you before
> > Obama was elected? It's obvious you were
> trolling
> > under different handles and we didn't hear you
> > then.
>
> I stumbled across this site when some racists were
> bashing my high school (South Lakes) because of
> the redistricting. Before that I used to go to a
> conservative-veterans site (I'm former Navy) and
> like I said- they called me a liberal terrorist
> lover. I moved on from there to other
> anarchist/libertarian sites but it was boring
> because most people agreed on all the issues.
>
> People need to remove their partisan goggles and
> see the cold hard facts. That's what I hope to do
> here.

Excellent. Thank you for your thoughtful explanation to my anonymous post. I'll extend the olive branch and retract my statements made by inflammatory handles and endless ranting.

But on a serious note, please hyperlink your sources next time as this may garner more street-cred among the masses. They're not Blackberry-friendly. My thumb is about to fall off from scrolling through the 1000-word position statements.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem::,, ()
Date: June 10, 2009 04:17PM

§ Wrote:
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> Excellent. Thank you for your thoughtful
> explanation to my anonymous post. I'll extend the
> olive branch and retract my statements made by
> inflammatory handles and endless ranting.
>
> But on a serious note, please hyperlink your
> sources next time as this may garner more
> street-cred among the masses. They're not
> Blackberry-friendly. My thumb is about to fall
> off from scrolling through the 1000-word position
> statements.
>
> .

Ok, I understand. No hard feelings here.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: hahahah! hahaha! :) ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:18PM

squiggly S guy is still a FAG!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:23PM

If so, how do you explain this photo of you.

By the way, how was the pot pie?

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: hahahah! haha! ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:25PM

Wasn't this taken the night I shoved those up your ass. All this fuckery is making my horny! What time are you coming over?

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:34PM

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: hahahah! ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:48PM

damn yo-you is a clever motherfucker!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 10, 2009 05:54PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090610/ap_on_bi_ge/us_executive_pay

So Obama had a chance to directly influence what CEOs make, and chose not to?

That's change I can believe in.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 10, 2009 06:01PM

I saw that earlier. Apparently, he's either trying to choose his battles or positioning himself for a run at Fortune 500-land in 2016.
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 11, 2009 09:42AM

Govt is the Problem::.. Wrote:
> In order to have a real recovery the govt needs to
> allow a full collapse. The rise in rates is
> perhaps a sign that they are losing their grip on
> the economic levers.

See, if a full collapse occurs, I don't think people will clamor for the free market to save them. They'll clamor for MORE government control, MORE government help, and MORE government intervention.

Or in the meantime, we'll have millions of people that'd still like to eat and stay in their homes. The libertarian response seems to be, "Let them eat free market."

A purely free market is, IMO, a nice theory. But so was communism.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: obamamyass!!!!: ()
Date: June 11, 2009 10:12AM

Oh look at that yesterday interest rates were 5.56% and today 5.74% what a fking jump!


Whoo-Hoo! Ob

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem:.::. ()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:14AM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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> See, if a full collapse occurs, I don't think
> people will clamor for the free market to save
> them. They'll clamor for MORE government control,
> MORE government help, and MORE government
> intervention.

I can see that. And maybe that’s the flaw with human nature (or at least in the way we have been conditioned by govt)-- Instead of insisting on their freedom, people will beg for their enslavement.

>
> Or in the meantime, we'll have millions of people
> that'd still like to eat and stay in their homes.
> The libertarian response seems to be, "Let them
> eat free market."
>

There would certainly be a lot of pain and suffering during the correction, especially now that the distortions created by govt intervention are so astronomical. I’m not saying it would be some utopia, but it is the first necessary step towards rebuilding a sound foundation. But if govt hadn’t created this horrible situation in the first place everybody would have been better off.

> A purely free market is, IMO, a nice theory. But
> so was communism.

I can understand your opposition to communism. But your opposition to free markets can be grounded in nothing other than opposition to freedom itself, IMO. Please explain your opposition.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: wrongly ()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:32AM

By most account, we're coming out of the Recession. How about a few predictions on your part (short term 3mo+) so we can see if you're assertions are right. Too easy to talk trash and predict doom and gloom if you're not being held accountable for anything.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: obamamyass!!!!!!! ()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:44AM

wrongly Wrote:
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> By most account, we're coming out of the
> Recession. How about a few predictions on your
> part (short term 3mo+) so we can see if you're
> assertions are right. Too easy to talk trash and
> predict doom and gloom if you're not being held
> accountable for anything.

Oh really, and how is that now that the interest rates are going up again after we were finally starting to pick up and recover? Now they are only making the market crash again! Seems it was an easy fix to give out all those hand-out s to the banks and big companies that just wasted it away instead of the people who really needed it. Now we are paying for. yes, the interest rates are down from a couple years ago but look how fast they are climbing!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem::.:;. ()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:51AM

wrongly Wrote:
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> By most account, we're coming out of the
> Recession. How about a few predictions on your
> part (short term 3mo+) so we can see if you're
> assertions are right. Too easy to talk trash and
> predict doom and gloom if you're not being held
> accountable for anything.

If I had to guess I would say look for a market correction over the next few months. This correction could possibly provide some relief to the treasury market as people make a "flight to safety". This would help out the OP who would apparently like to see lower mortgage rates. But for the long run I don't see any recovery that doesn't go hand in hand with massive inflation.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: June 11, 2009 11:58AM

I would expect to see a correction at some point, which is gonna suck because a lot of folks have decided to re-enter the market (they should have re-entered at 7500)....

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: obamamyass!!!!!!!!!!! ()
Date: June 11, 2009 12:10PM

ITRADE Wrote:
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> I would expect to see a correction at some point,
> which is gonna suck because a lot of folks have
> decided to re-enter the market (they should have
> re-entered at 7500)....

What do you mean at 7500?

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: FuckObama ()
Date: June 11, 2009 12:37PM


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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: and again! ()
Date: June 11, 2009 12:43PM


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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: formerhick76 ()
Date: June 11, 2009 12:51PM

Govt is the Problem:.::. Wrote:
> I can see that. And maybe that’s the flaw with
> human nature (or at least in the way we have been
> conditioned by govt)-- Instead of insisting on
> their freedom, people will beg for their
> enslavement.

Or, perhaps people realize freedom isn't some lump item that you either have or you don't. There's a lot of steps between chattel slavery such as existed before the Civil War and the complete 'master of your fate' that folks in 1880s Nebraska could possess.

> There would certainly be a lot of pain and
> suffering during the correction, especially now
> that the distortions created by govt intervention
> are so astronomical. I’m not saying it would be
> some utopia, but it is the first necessary step
> towards rebuilding a sound foundation. But if
> govt hadn’t created this horrible situation in the
> first place everybody would have been better off.

Is this kind of like how (fill in leftist dictator here) talking about pain and suffering will be necessary to build the New Men populating New State? So to enjoy the True Free Market, the people must undergo some suffering? How is suffering more noble when it's done in the name of the Free Market?

> I can understand your opposition to communism.
> But your opposition to free markets can be
> grounded in nothing other than opposition to
> freedom itself, IMO. Please explain your
> opposition.

A totally free market (I assume you're talking from an anarcho-capitalist stance here) would result in government powers being assumed, de facto, by the wealthiest. If there's no Army, no courts, etc., run by the government, there would be Potomac Security Services, Inc., or Mid-Atlantic Court Services, Inc., stepping up to take the role. Since we've never really tried anarcho-capitalism (the closest we have to it today is the khat trade in Somalia), it's an ideal which doesn't lose any of its lustre by actually being put into practice.

A free market as most minarchists envision it would require a mechanism to regulate contract enforcement, property rights, prevent hostile monopolies (I define those as companies which actively harass potential threats to their monopoly), etc. Let's just call this mechanism government. A small government, unfortunately, becomes subject to being pushed around by large corporations, as occurred in the Gilded Age.

In both situations, the powers now exercised by government are now exercised by corporations. How is that an improvement? Of course you might just argue that 'corporations are voluntary and you can just move!' But not only does this presume companies will refrain from using force to enforce their interests, it also presumes being a penniless refugee fleeing corporate abuses is better than being a penniless refugee fleeing government abuses?

True freedom as you seem to see it is only possible in a more isolated and rural setting; above say 50-60 people per square mile, people start bumping elbows too much.



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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: ITRADE ()
Date: June 11, 2009 12:54PM

obamamyass!!!!!!!!!!! Wrote:
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> ITRADE Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I would expect to see a correction at some
> point,
> > which is gonna suck because a lot of folks have
> > decided to re-enter the market (they should
> have
> > re-entered at 7500)....
>
> What do you mean at 7500?


Re-enter when the DJIA was at 7500....They would have made about 20% by now. I don't think many investors would have considered re-entering the market at 7000.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:17PM

I was fortunate to have re-balanced by brokerage account and 401(k) in January. I went from about a 50-25-25 split (stocks, bonds, cash) back up to 75-15-10. Because of this, I'm looking at 11.3% and 9.2% YTD. I don't expect it maintain this momentum, but it's a hell of a lot better than '08.
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem:..; ()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:19PM

formerhick76 Wrote:
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>
> Or, perhaps people realize freedom isn't some lump
> item that you either have or you don't. There's a
> lot of steps between chattel slavery such as
> existed before the Civil War and the complete
> 'master of your fate' that folks in 1880s Nebraska
> could possess.

People relax their demands for liberty as a compromise for safety or security—this is unfortunately true. Two examples:

1. Patriot Act- We give up some of our freedoms in the name of a hieghted need for security from "our" enemies/terrorists. But why was our security threatened in the first place? A: Because of government action/policy against others
2. Safety Blanket- Why did we need govt support in times of economic hardship? A: because the govt/fed caused economic hardship.

There is a pattern here. The supply of govt leads to a demand for more govt—thus proving Say’s law (joking).

> Is this kind of like how (fill in leftist dictator
> here) talking about pain and suffering will be
> necessary to build the New Men populating New
> State? So to enjoy the True Free Market, the
> people must undergo some suffering? How is
> suffering more noble when it's done in the name of
> the Free Market?

No. The comparison is not accurate. The suffering/correction is because of the problems the govt created. It is true that if you want to have a free market you will first have to pay the tab for all the accumulated mistakes made by the govt. This is not noble.

> A totally free market (I assume you're talking
> from an anarcho-capitalist stance here) would
> result in government powers being assumed, de
> facto, by the wealthiest. If there's no Army, no
> courts, etc., run by the government, there would
> be Potomac Security Services, Inc., or
> Mid-Atlantic Court Services, Inc., stepping up to
> take the role.

Are you talking about the powers of taxation? Defense? Courts?

Taxation by private individuals or corporations would be called extortion. This would be counter-productive in a competitive free market.

I could go on and on about National defense but suffice to say there wouldn’t be a need (at least not at any level remotely close to what it is today).

As far as courts go- there is an interesting case for private courts as seen in the example among private merchants and merchant law. It relied heavily on boycott and peer pressure. And voluntary arbitration has proven very successful.

> Since we've never really tried
> anarcho-capitalism (the closest we have to it
> today is the khat trade in Somalia), it's an ideal
> which doesn't lose any of its lustre by actually
> being put into practice.

I’ll look into that Khat trade example you mention. I actually had some in Djibouti once… And there are many ideals which were at one point foreign and untried but that doesn’t mean they weren’t worthwhile.

> A free market as most minarchists envision it
> would require a mechanism to regulate contract
> enforcement, property rights, prevent hostile
> monopolies (I define those as companies which
> actively harass potential threats to their
> monopoly), etc. Let's just call this mechanism
> government. A small government, unfortunately,
> becomes subject to being pushed around by large
> corporations, as occurred in the Gilded Age.

To be candid, I probably fall into this minarchist camp. I believe the mechanism you describe should exist for the purposes you mention. However I don’t agree that private corporations or individuals would find the reward from bribery/fraud/extortion etc worth the risk to their business reputation and personal freedom or of potential monetary settlement.

> In both situations, the powers now exercised by
> government are now exercised by corporations. How
> is that an improvement? Of course you might just
> argue that 'corporations are voluntary and you can
> just move!' But not only does this presume
> companies will refrain from using force to enforce
> their interests, it also presumes being a
> penniless refugee fleeing corporate abuses is
> better than being a penniless refugee fleeing
> government abuses?

Again, I would like you to please expand on these powers you think corporations would assume. A private business using force to enforce their interests is counterproductive to success in a free market.

> True freedom as you seem to see it is only
> possible in a more isolated and rural setting;
> above say 50-60 people per square mile, people
> start bumping elbows too much.

People often say this. “You are picturing some sort of 18th century agrarian utopia”… but they never explain why. I don’t get it.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:25PM

"Govt is the Problem", why don't you put your two cents on one of these:

https://www.blogger.com/start

http://www.livejournal.com/

http://www.thoughts.com/free-blog

http://wordpress.com/

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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem..:. ()
Date: June 11, 2009 02:29PM

§ Wrote:
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> I was fortunate to have re-balanced by brokerage
> account and 401(k) in January. I went from about
> a 50-25-25 split (stocks, bonds, cash) back up to
> 75-15-10. Because of this, I'm looking at 11.3%
> and 9.2% YTD. I don't expect it maintain this
> momentum, but it's a hell of a lot better than
> '08.
> .

Good for you! Seriously. It is true that these are historic economic times and you can profit if you know how to get positioned. Look at all the people who made a killing on the short side. The one wild card is when govt/fed/sec etc change the rules of the game. One trend which has made money over the last few months is rising rate funds, although I think it may be a little overplayed right now but the long term trade is still entact. If the OP is so concerned with rising rates he may want to look into these funds...

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem..:. ()
Date: June 11, 2009 03:17PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> "Govt is the Problem", why don't you put your two
> cents on one of these:
>
> https://www.blogger.com/start
>
> http://www.livejournal.com/
>
> http://www.thoughts.com/free-blog
>
> http://wordpress.com/

Thanks, I'm flattered that you feel I have such important things to say (or that so many people might want to hear it). However, I don't have the time, energy, or desire.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem.::> ()
Date: June 11, 2009 03:50PM

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/09/business/economy/20090610-leonhardt-graphic.html

Bush vs Obama... looks like Bush cost us more

It is an interesting read for any economics wonks out there.

Here is a breakdown of how they crunched the #s:

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/how-we-crunched-the-deficit-numbers/
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 11, 2009 04:03PM

I'm still trying to find out if economics wonks are real-world economists. Or, are they just people who are pleasured by discussing budget forecasts posted on the internet? I dunno.
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Dumbdomocrats ()
Date: June 11, 2009 04:19PM


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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem:..: ()
Date: June 11, 2009 04:25PM

§ Wrote:
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> I'm still trying to find out if economics wonks
> are real-world economists. Or, are they just
> people who are pleasured by discussing budget
> forecasts posted on the internet? I dunno.
> .

I'm not a real-world economist yet, but it has fascinated me for years. I’m actually pursuing a Masters/maybe PhD in commerce/economic policy... so we'll see what happens.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:22PM

Hey, that's cool. It's funny, I could tell by your enthusiam early-on that you were enrolled. I believe G'Town has one of the better programs in the country. If I had to do it all over again, I would've gone the econ route simply for the big picture aspect. I would have a better appreciation of the class discussions given the current state of affairs.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: squiggly S guy- hehe ()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:32PM

barack
see more Political Pictures


He's my hero! IDIOT!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:38PM

And he's your IDIOT hero?
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: squiggly S guy- hehe ! ()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:44PM

§ Wrote:
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> And he's your IDIOT hero?
> .


NO YOU ARE! :)

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 11, 2009 05:52PM

Ugh. Why do I have the feeling you're a 57 year old man from Kentucky?
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: June 11, 2009 08:14PM

Govt is the Problem:..: Wrote:
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> I'm not a real-world economist yet, but it has
> fascinated me for years. I’m actually pursuing a
> Masters/maybe PhD in commerce/economic policy...
> so we'll see what happens.



I have a BS in Cognitive Science, do you see me filling up the entire fucking forum with threads on hemispatial neglect and language acquisition????


STFU

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“It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful." - Anton Lavey

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: LOLcat ()
Date: June 11, 2009 09:15PM

I haz no interests in ratz. KthnxByee!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Govt is the Problem..: ()
Date: June 12, 2009 12:46PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> I have a BS in Cognitive Science, do you see me
> filling up the entire fucking forum with threads
> on hemispatial neglect and language
> acquisition????
>
>
> STFU

You have so much anger. I am sorry, please forgive me. I would love to hear what you have to say... and if I find in lacking in interest I will simply read it no longer. See how simple that is?

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 16, 2009 01:35PM

Govt is the Problem.::> Wrote:
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> http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/09/busi
> ness/economy/20090610-leonhardt-graphic.html
>
> Bush vs Obama... looks like Bush cost us more
>
> It is an interesting read for any economics wonks
> out there.
>
> Here is a breakdown of how they crunched the #s:
>
> http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/09/how-w
> e-crunched-the-deficit-numbers/

I like how they conveniently glossed over 9-11. That alone lost millions of jobs, lost tax revenues and affected the economy. That act directly led to Iraq, and other military action since that time. This chart gets a -1.

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 16, 2009 01:50PM

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Registered Voter ()
Date: June 16, 2009 01:58PM

Wow, you are leet...
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 16, 2009 03:42PM

Are these guys scapegoats too?
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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: Squillies S Guy! ()
Date: June 16, 2009 07:05PM

§ Wrote:
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> Are these guys scapegoats too?
> .


Your mom is a scapegoat!

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Re: Interest rates
Posted by: § ()
Date: June 16, 2009 07:26PM

Oh no, not the 4th grade Mom jokes.

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