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What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:01AM

Both are nationalistic, authoritarian, militaristic, anti-liberal, and promote masculinity and charismatic leadership. So what's the diff, 'tards?

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Not so ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:05AM

There is more centralization of government and state controls with "liberalism".

The conservatives have a religious element, but so do the liberals with African-American churches.

It is really a stupid argument to say one really resembles fascism.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: I'm with Fuppie ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:10AM

Not so Wrote:
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> The conservatives have a religious element, but so
> do the liberals with African-American churches.

That's stupid.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Fruppie with an R ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:17AM

I'm with Fuppie Wrote:
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> Not so Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > The conservatives have a religious element, but
> so
> > do the liberals with African-American churches.
>
> That's stupid.

Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George Bush did. The Democrats also try to justify their welfare and social services policies by portraying it as a spiritual duty. They are actually worse moralizers than the Republicans in many ways.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Talkin' outta yer ass again ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:30AM

Fruppie with an R Wrote:
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> Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> Bush did.

Evidence? I didn't think so.

> The Democrats also try to justify their welfare
> and social services policies by portraying
> it as a spiritual duty.

Evidence? I didn't think so.

> They are actually worse moralizers than the
> Republicans in many ways.

But you don't cite any. Why not?

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:33AM

Not so Wrote:
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> There is more centralization of government and
> state controls with "liberalism".
>
> The conservatives have a religious element, but so
> do the liberals with African-American churches.
>
> It is really a stupid argument to say one really
> resembles fascism.

Fruppie with an R Wrote:
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> Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> Bush did. The Democrats also try to justify their
> welfare and social services policies by portraying
> it as a spiritual duty. They are actually worse
> moralizers than the Republicans in many ways.

None of which speaks to how, if at all, the modern American conserva-tard movement differs from fascism.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: try the Google ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:45AM

Talkin' outta yer ass again Wrote:
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> Fruppie with an R Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> > Bush did.
>
> Evidence? I didn't think so.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.html

The facts indicate your thinking is just stupid.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: dumbest red state retards ()
Date: August 04, 2015 09:51AM

Fruppie with an R Wrote:
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> I'm with Fuppie Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Not so Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > The conservatives have a religious element,
> but
> > so
> > > do the liberals with African-American
> churches.
> >
> > That's stupid.
>
> Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> Bush did. The Democrats also try to justify their
> welfare and social services policies by portraying
> it as a spiritual duty. They are actually worse
> moralizers than the Republicans in many ways.


I cringe when I hear Obana mention that retarded Christian stuff, it makes him sound like a stupid redneck. But to say it's worse than republicans is just false, it's not even close to their level of teabagging religious stupidity.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: there you have it ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:09AM

dumbest red state retards Wrote:
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> Fruppie with an R Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm with Fuppie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Not so Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The conservatives have a religious element,
> > but
> > > so
> > > > do the liberals with African-American
> > churches.
> > >
> > > That's stupid.
> >
> > Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> > Bush did. The Democrats also try to justify
> their
> > welfare and social services policies by
> portraying
> > it as a spiritual duty. They are actually worse
> > moralizers than the Republicans in many ways.
>
>
> I cringe when I hear Obana mention that retarded
> Christian stuff, it makes him sound like a stupid
> redneck. But to say it's worse than republicans
> is just false, it's not even close to their level
> of teabagging religious stupidity.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.html

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you're so full of shit ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:15AM

dumbest red state retards Wrote:
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> Fruppie with an R Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I'm with Fuppie Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Not so Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > The conservatives have a religious element,
> > but
> > > so
> > > > do the liberals with African-American
> > churches.
> > >
> > > That's stupid.
> >
> > Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> > Bush did. The Democrats also try to justify
> their
> > welfare and social services policies by
> portraying
> > it as a spiritual duty. They are actually worse
> > moralizers than the Republicans in many ways.
>
>
> I cringe when I hear Obana mention that retarded
> Christian stuff, it makes him sound like a stupid
> redneck. But to say it's worse than republicans
> is just false, it's not even close to their level
> of teabagging religious stupidity.


Who said this?

This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. And I want to begin by giving praise to the Almighty for the blessings he has bestowed upon us as a congregation, as a people, and as a nation. and I thank you so much."

And this?

"I come here this morning as a sister in worship."

And this?

"How can we say everything is fine when we have an energy policy whose prices are too high, who make us dependent on foreign governments that do not wish us well, and when we face the real threat of climate change, which is tinkering with God's creation?"

And this?

"And we know -- we know -- we know, if we finish this march, what awaits us? St. Paul told us, in the letter to the Galatians, "Let us not grow weary in doing good, for in due seasons we shall reap, if we do not lose heart."

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:21AM

try the Google Wrote:
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> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.ht
> ml

Through the first 4 1/2 months of this first term? Seriously?

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Nobody cares ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:24AM

you're so full of shit Wrote:
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> Who said this?
>
> This is the day the Lord has made. Let us rejoice
> and be glad in it. And I want to begin by giving
> praise to the Almighty for the blessings he has
> bestowed upon us as a congregation, as a people,
> and as a nation. and I thank you so much."
>
> And this?
>
> "I come here this morning as a sister in
> worship."
>
> And this?
>
> "How can we say everything is fine when we have an
> energy policy whose prices are too high, who make
> us dependent on foreign governments that do not
> wish us well, and when we face the real threat of
> climate change, which is tinkering with God's
> creation?"
>
> And this?
>
> "And we know -- we know -- we know, if we finish
> this march, what awaits us? St. Paul told us, in
> the letter to the Galatians, "Let us not grow
> weary in doing good, for in due seasons we shall
> reap, if we do not lose heart."

Nobody cares.

Attachments:
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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Teabaggers make no sense ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:27AM

lol, these dumbass rednecks spent six years alleging that Obama was a muslim, now all of a sudden they're accusing him of being more christian than Bush. Make up yer frigging minds already. You sound like idiots.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you've been bitch slapped again ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:32AM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> try the Google Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0609/23510.ht
>
> > ml
>
> Through the first 4 1/2 months of this first term?

Imagine hoe much more it has been by now!

Oh, I don't have to imagine.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/01/22/169998659/divine-rhetoric-god-in-the-inaugural-address

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/18/obama-invokes-christian-scripture-and-god-during-interfaith-service-and-pledges-boston-terrorists-will-face-justice/

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2960/president_obama_the_work_youre_doing_is_gods_work.aspx


> Seriously?

It's more serious than your original imbecilic contention. You do realize that a fascist economy is one where the government exerts strong directive influence over investment, don't you? That sounds like a plank straight out of the Democrat platform.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Fat~Bottom~Girl ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:32AM

Teabaggers make no sense Wrote:
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> lol, these dumbass rednecks spent six years
> alleging that Obama was a muslim, now all of a
> sudden they're accusing him of being more
> christian than Bush. Make up yer frigging minds
> already. You sound like idiots.

+1

Ain't it the truth!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you cared enough to post ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:33AM

Nobody cares Wrote:
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> Nobody cares.



You might not, but then stupid people rarely care about things they have no understanding of.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:45AM

you cared enough to post Wrote:
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> You might not, but then stupid people rarely care
> about things they have no understanding of.

Hence, your conserva-tardism.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: mirror mirror ()
Date: August 04, 2015 10:48AM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> you cared enough to post Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You might not, but then stupid people rarely
> care
> > about things they have no understanding of.
>
> Hence, your conserva-tardism.

You've been outed as an idiot. Best to stay silent for a while.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 11:12AM

mirror mirror Wrote:
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> You've been outed as an idiot.

Posts the idiot.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Ah, gertard. ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:30PM

Still thinks that "national socialist" isn't "socialist"...

What a butthurt marooon!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: mirror mirror ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:34PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> mirror mirror Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You've been outed as an idiot.
>
> Posts the idiot.
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!


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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:37PM

Ah, gertard. Wrote:
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> Still thinks that "national socialist" isn't
> "socialist"...
>
> What a butthurt marooon!

Still thinks that fascist = Nazi...

What a stoopid fucking douche!

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Danzig ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:39PM

Libtard OP is very confused.

My view on Democrats is that they're fascists disguised as liberals, or liberal moderates. You're not allowed to say anything that they don't agree with. You're not allowed to do anything. Also, the whole Obama, "I can kill anybody with a drone with no trial," is kind of disturbing. I'm surprised that more people who are supposedly liberal aren't more disturbed by it. I think whatever Obama does is OK with them, because he's Obama. It's bullshit.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:41PM

you've been bitch slapped again Wrote:
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> http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/01
> /22/169998659/divine-rhetoric-god-in-the-inaugural
> -address
>
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/18/obama-i
> nvokes-christian-scripture-and-god-during-interfai
> th-service-and-pledges-boston-terrorists-will-face
> -justice/
>
> http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2960/presi
> dent_obama_the_work_youre_doing_is_gods_work.aspx

Wow! President Obama has has invoked God and Jesus three (3) whole times since 6/9/2009! Pathetic, really. lol.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Whinebaggers ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:48PM

Danzig Wrote:
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> You're not allowed to say anything that they don't agree with.


You're confusing 'not being allowed to say anything' with being humiliated for having such dumbass teabagger opinions. No one's disallowing you to speak, they're just calling you an idiot (or a racist).

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: nevergofullGodwin, Gber... ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:52PM

Why so butthurt?

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:53PM

Danzig Wrote:
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> My view on Democrats is that they're fascists

Thanks for sharing.

In my view, conserva-tards are like fascists.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: FCPS FTW ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:54PM

"and a fascism" ???

Fucking illiterate retards.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 12:57PM

FCPS FTW Wrote:
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> "and a fascism" ???

Thanks, your comment has added so much to the conversation!

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you've been bitch slapped ()
Date: August 04, 2015 01:02PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> you've been bitch slapped again Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> >
> http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/01
>
> >
> /22/169998659/divine-rhetoric-god-in-the-inaugural
>
> > -address
> >
> >
> http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/04/18/obama-i
>
> >
> nvokes-christian-scripture-and-god-during-interfai
>
> >
> th-service-and-pledges-boston-terrorists-will-face
>
> > -justice/
> >
> >
> http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Blog/2960/presi
>
> >
> dent_obama_the_work_youre_doing_is_gods_work.aspx
>
> Wow! President Obama has has invoked God and Jesus
> three (3) whole times since 6/9/2009! Pathetic,
> really. lol.

Stupid boy. You actually think that these are the only three? If you weren't a grown man, your ignorance might be endearing in the way a child is ignorant in the ways of the world. Instead, you're just a grown simpleton.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/05/12/remarks-president-conversation-poverty-georgetown-university

http://money.cnn.com/2012/02/02/news/economy/obama_tax_rich_jesus/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-invokes-religion-christmas-tree-lighting-ripped-not-mentioning-god-thanksgiving-article-1.985879

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/obama-teachings-jesus-christ-helped-change-my-mind-gay-marriage_644306.html

http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/08/obama-talks-about-his-faith-132696.html

Plenty more where these come from, shit for brains. Now go back to sticking your tongue in the electrical socket.

Beating up on you isn't even sporting. Fish in a barrel.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: FCPS FTW ()
Date: August 04, 2015 01:23PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> FCPS FTW Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > "and a fascism" ???
>
> Thanks, your comment has added so much to the
> conversation!
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!


Look+everyone+a+fucking+retard.jpg


Yeah, cause it was such a deep conversation. lmao

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Misfits ()
Date: August 04, 2015 02:30PM

fascism

noun
1.
(sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
2.
(sometimes initial capital letter) the philosophy, principles, or methods of fascism.
3.
(initial capital letter) a political movement that employs the principles and methods of fascism, especially the one established by Mussolini in Italy 1922–43.

So, this perfectly describes liberals. Why are they denying this? It is what they are working for and supporting.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 02:39PM

you've been bitch slapped Wrote:
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> You actually think that these are the
> only three?

D'oh, five (5) more! So that's eight (8) times total since 6/9/2009. Impressive!

Now, prove that President Obama has invoked God and Jesus more often than did the George Bush through the first 79 months of each man's presidency.

I'll wait right here.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 02:42PM

Misfits Wrote:
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> So, this perfectly describes liberals.

Not really. Conserva-tards are all about aggressive nationalism and racism, not liberals.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: thanks for playing, but you lose ()
Date: August 04, 2015 02:48PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> you've been bitch slapped Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > You actually think that these are the
> > only three?
>
> D'oh, five (5) more! So that's eight (8) times
> total since 6/9/2009. Impressive!
>
> Now, prove that President Obama has invoked God
> and Jesus more often than did the George Bush
> through the first 79 months of each man's
> presidency.
>
> I'll wait right here.
>
> Conserva-tards!
>
> LoLz!


Moving the goal posts is a sign of desperation and an acknowledgement of loss. Thanks for playing, but you still lose.

While ample evidence has been offered to prove Obama's tendency to invoke religion on numerous occasions, you've offered nothing to refute it.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:01PM

thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
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> Moving the goal posts is a sign of desperation and
> an acknowledgement of loss.

Who's "moving the goal posts"?

Fruppie with an R Wrote:
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> Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> Bush did.

So prove it or GTFO, loser.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you're still losing ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:09PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Moving the goal posts is a sign of desperation
> and
> > an acknowledgement of loss.
>
> Who's "moving the goal posts"?


You. I see reading comprehension isn't your strong suit either. Can you even wipe your own ass?

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Born that way ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:13PM

you're still losing Wrote:
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> Conserva-tards! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Moving the goal posts is a sign of
> desperation
> > and
> > > an acknowledgement of loss.
> >
> > Who's "moving the goal posts"?
>
>
> You. I see reading comprehension isn't your
> strong suit either. Can you even wipe your own
> ass?


He was born losing.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Conserva-tards! ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:27PM

you're still losing Wrote:
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> Conserva-tards! Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Moving the goal posts is a sign of
> desperation
> > and
> > > an acknowledgement of loss.
> >
> > Who's "moving the goal posts"?
>
>
> You.

Nope.

Fruppie with an R Wrote:
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> Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George
> Bush did.

So prove it or GTFO, loser.

Conserva-tards!

LoLz!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:39PM

Not so Wrote:
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> There is more centralization of government and
> state controls with "liberalism".
>
> The conservatives have a religious element, but so
> do the liberals with African-American churches.
>
> It is really a stupid argument to say one really
> resembles fascism.

Thats bullshit. All modern conservative administrations have centralized power. Liberal Obama sought a congressional war resolution on Syria.

Also, the Republican Congress refuses to fulfill its Constitutional duty with a vote on ISIS. A move that also encourages the centralization of power.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: two-fer ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:45PM

^ A pair of losers.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: ronnie knows ()
Date: August 04, 2015 03:50PM

two-fer Wrote:
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> ^ A pair of losers.


yeah-i-know-i-know-they-both-are-full-sh

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Dismissed ()
Date: August 04, 2015 04:01PM

thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Moving the goal posts is a sign of desperation and
> an acknowledgement of loss. Thanks for playing,
> but you still lose.
>
> While ample evidence has been offered to prove
> Obama's tendency to invoke religion on numerous
> occasions, you've offered nothing to refute it.

You provided 8 examples of Obama's invocation of religiosity, no examples of Bush doing the same, and claim that Obama has done so more often than Bush did? lol. Very weak tea indeed.

I get it: You're too lazy to work at proving your point.

Dismissed.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: you're still losing ()
Date: August 04, 2015 04:28PM

Conserva-tards! Wrote:
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> you're still losing Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Conserva-tards! Wrote:
> >
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> > > thanks for playing, but you lose Wrote:
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> > > > Moving the goal posts is a sign of
> > desperation
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> > > > an acknowledgement of loss.
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> > > Who's "moving the goal posts"?
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> > You.
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> > Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the
> George
> > Bush did.
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> So prove it or GTFO, loser.
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> Conserva-tards!
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> LoLz!


Articles prove it. Too bad you're too stupid to understand. Evidence has been offered to prove it. Where is your evidence to prove that Bush did it more? I'll quietly wait while you gather that....

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Dismissed ()
Date: August 04, 2015 04:36PM

you're still losing Wrote:
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> Articles prove it.

The articles are 8 examples of Obama invoking God/Jesus, not proof that Obama has invoked God and Jesus more the George Bush did.

To prove that, you would have to catalog each time each man invoked God/Jesus through the 79th month of his respective presidency and compare the frequencies.

For this, you are either too lazy or too stupid. Therefore, you lose.

Dismissed.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: August 04, 2015 04:40PM

Obama invokes religion more than Bush? These rightards are ridiculous.

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Date: August 04, 2015 04:46PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Obama invokes religion more than Bush? These
> rightards are ridiculous.


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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: August 04, 2015 05:03PM

Bush was a fascist authoritarian mindless crusading stooge beholden to oil barons and neo cons. There is no comparison in that regard.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
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Date: August 04, 2015 05:10PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
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> Bush was a fascist authoritarian mindless
> crusading stooge beholden to oil barons and neo
> cons. There is no comparison in that regard.


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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Learning About Politics ()
Date: August 04, 2015 05:19PM

Fascism differs from its close cousins, Communism and aristocratic conservatism, in several important ways. To understand these differences is to see how classical liberalism offers a completely different view of social and economic organization, a perspective that departs radically from the views of both right and left, as those terms are understood in contemporary political language.

Let's begin with its difference from Communism. First, where Communism seeks to substitute the state for private ownership, fascism seeks to incorporate or co-opt private ownership into the state apparatus through public-private partnership. Thus fascism tends to be more tempting than Communism to wealthy interests who may see it as a way to insulate their economic power from competition through forced cartelization and other corporatist stratagems.

Second, where Communist ideology tends to be cosmopolitan and internationalist, fascist ideology tends to be chauvinistically nationalist, stressing a particularist allegiance to one's country, culture, or ethnicity; along with this goes a suspicion of rationalism, a preference for economic autarky, and a view of life as one of inevitable but glorious struggle. Fascism also tends to cultivate a "folksy" or völkisch "man of the people," "pragmatism over principles," "heart over head," "pay no attention to those pointy-headed intellectuals" rhetorical style.

These contrasts with Communism should not be overstated, of course. Communist governments cannot afford to suppress private ownership entirely, since doing so leads swiftly to economic collapse. Moreover, however internationalist and cosmopolitan Communist regimes may be in theory, they tend to be just as chauvinistically nationalist in practice as their fascist cousins; while on the other hand fascist regimes are sometimes perfectly willing to pay lip service to liberal universalism.

All the same, there is a difference in emphasis and in strategy between fascism and Communism here. When faced with existing institutions that threaten the power of the state—be they corporations, churches, the family, tradition—the Communist impulse is by and large to abolish them, while the fascist impulse is by and large to absorb them.

Power structures external to the state are potential rivals to the state's own power, and so states always have some reason to seek their abolition; Communism gives that tendency full rein. But power structures external to the state are also potential allies of the state, particularly if they serve to encourage habits of subordination and regimentation in the populace, and so the potential always exists for a mutually beneficial partnership; herein lies the fascist strategy.

The respects in which fascism differs from Communism might seem to align it rather more closely with the traditional aristocratic conservatism of the ancien régime, which is likewise particularist, corporatist, mercantilist, nationalist, militarist, patriarchal, and anti-rationalist. But fascism differs from old-style conservatism in embracing an ideal of industrial progress directed by managerial technocrats, as well as in adopting a populist stance of championing the "little guy" against elites—remember the folksiness. (If fascism's technocratic tendencies appear to conflict with its anti-rationalist tendencies, well, in the words of proto-fascist Moeller van den Bruck, "we must be strong enough to live in contradictions.")

Liberalism

Some of the differences between fascism and the older conservatism may be due to the advances won by their common foes, the liberals. The progress of liberalism and of industry had the effect of shifting wealth, at least in part, from the traditional aristocracy to new private hands, thus creating new private interest groups with the ability to operate as political entrepreneurs; hence, perhaps, the tendency toward the emergence of a plutocratic class nominally outside the traditional state apparatus. Likewise the progress of democracy meant that plutocracy could hope to triumph only by donning populist guise; hence the paradox of an elitist movement marching forward under the banner of anti-elitism—a prime example in U.S. history being antitrust laws and other allegedly anti-big-business legislation being vigorously lobbied for by big business itself.

(Cf. Murray Rothbard's "War Collectivism in World War I," Paul Weaver's The Suicidal Corporation: How Big Business Fails America, Gabriel Kolko's Railroads and Regulation, 1877—1916 and Triumph of Conservatism: A Reinterpretation of American History, 1900-1916, Butler Shaffer's In Restraint of Trade: The Business Campaign Against Competition, 1918-1938, Roy Childs' "Big Business and the Rise of American Statism," Joseph Stromberg's "Political Economy of Liberal Corporatism" and "The Role of State Monopoly Capitalism in the American Empire," Walter Grinder & John Hagel's "Toward a Theory of State Capitalism: Ultimate Decision-Making and Class Structure," etc.)

Hence fascism's odd fusion of privilege and folksiness; one might call it a movement that thinks like Halliburton and talks like George W. Bush.

The partnership between the official state apparatus and the nominally private beneficiaries of state power was a familiar theme for 19th-century libertarians like Frédéric Bastiat and Gustave de Molinari, who extended and radicalized Adam Smith's critique of mercantilist protectionism as a scheme for benefiting concentrated business interests at the expense of the general public. In Molinari's words, businesses "asked the government to safeguard their monopolies by the same methods that it had put into effect for protecting its own." ("The Evolution of Protectionism.")

Libertarian sociologists like Charles Comte and Charles Dunoyer had developed an entire pre-Marxian theory of class conflict, according to which the key to the position of the ruling class is not, contra Marx, access to the means of production, but rather access to political power. (Cf. David Hart's Radical Liberalism of Charles Comte and Charles Dunoyer, Leonard Liggio's "Charles Dunoyer and French Classical Liberalism," Ralph Raico's "Classical Liberal Exploitation Theory," Mark Weinburg's "Social Analysis of Three Early 19th-Century Classical Liberals," etc.)

When Marx called the French government "a joint-stock company for the exploitation of France's national wealth" on behalf of the bourgeois elite and at the expense of production and commerce ("Class Struggles in France"), he was only echoing what libertarians had been saying for decades.

Herbert Spencer likewise complained of the influence of "railway autocrats" in American politics, "overriding the rights of shareholders" and "dominating over courts of justice and State governments." ("The Americans.") And Lysander Spooner denounced the financial and banking elite, writing as follows:


Among savages, mere physical strength, on the part of one man, may enable him to rob, enslave, or kill another man. . . . But with (so-called) civilized peoples . . . by whom soldiers in any requisite number, and other instrumentalities of war in any requisite amount, can always be had for money, the question of war, and consequently the question of power, is little else than a mere question of money. As a necessary consequence, those who stand ready to furnish this money, are the real rulers. . . . [The] nominal rulers, the emperors and kings and parliaments, are anything but the real rulers of their respective countries. They are little or nothing else than mere tools, employed by the wealthy to rob, enslave, and (if need be) murder those who have less wealth, or none at all. . . . [The] so-called sovereigns, in these different governments, are simply the heads, or chiefs, of different bands of robbers and murderers. And these heads or chiefs are dependent upon the lenders of blood-money for the means to carry on their robberies and murders. They could not sustain themselves a moment but for the loans made to them by these blood-money loan-mongers. . . . In addition to paying the interest on their bonds, they perhaps grant to the holders of them great monopolies in banking, like the Banks of England, of France, and of Vienna; with the agreement that these banks shall furnish money whenever, in sudden emergencies, it may be necessary to shoot down more of their people. Perhaps also, by means of tariffs on competing imports, they give great monopolies to certain branches of industry, in which these lenders of blood-money are engaged. They also, by unequal taxation, exempt wholly or partially the property of these loan-mongers, and throw corresponding burdens upon those who are too poor and weak to resist. (No Treason VI.)

As this quotation from Spooner shows, 19th-century libertarians also saw a connection between plutocracy and militarism, and sharply criticized what today would be called the military-industrial complex. Spencer, for example, railed against the "military aid and state-conferred privileges" enjoyed by the East India Company, which enabled it to commit "deeds of blood and rapine" in India where "the police authorities league with wealthy scamps" to "allow the machinery of the law to be used for purposes of extortion." Such abuses, Spencer noted, were "mainly due to the carrying on of state-management, and with the help of state-funds and state-force." Had the military might of the British Empire not been placed at the disposal of the Company's directors, "their defenseless state would have compelled them" to behave differently; they would of necessity have "turned their attention wholly to the development of commerce, and conducted themselves peaceably." (Social Statics, ch. 27.) Writing in the mid-1800s, Spencer complained especially of the "grievous salt monopoly"—which would of course become the chief catalyst for the Indian independence movement nearly a century later.


But who [Spencer wrote] are the gainers? The monopolists. . . . Into their pockets, in the shape of salaries to civil and military officers, dividends of profits, etc., has gone a large part of the enormous revenue of the East India company. . . . The rich owners of colonial property must have protection, as well as their brethren, the landowners of England—the one their prohibitive duties, the other their corn laws; and the resources of the poor, starved, overburdened people must be still further drained, to augment the overflowing wealth of their rulers. ("The Proper Sphere of Government.")

Thus plutocracy, these libertarian writers thought, drives militarism. But they also held that militarism drives plutocracy. Thus the American Spencerian William Graham Sumner argued:


[M]ilitarism, expansion and imperialism will all favor plutocracy. In the first place, war and expansion will favor jobbery, both in the dependencies and at home. In the second place, they will take away the attention of the people from what the plutocrats are doing. In the third place, they will cause large expenditures of the people's money, the return for which will not go into the treasury, but into the hands of a few schemers. In the fourth place, they will call for a large public debt and taxes, and these things especially tend to make men unequal, because any social burdens bear more heavily on the weak than on the strong, and so make the weak weaker and the strong stronger. ("Conquest of the United States by Spain.")

While the influence of private wealth on government was not exactly anything new, 19th-century libertarians tended to think that it had been given a new impetus by the rise of democracy and its inevitable accompaniment, interest-group politics—what the French liberals called "ulcerous government." A number of libertarians argued that representative democracy leads to a struggle for political influence among competing special-interest groups, and unsurprisingly it is the wealthier and more concentrated interests that tend to win out. Sumner, for example, maintained that democracy, far from being, as is usually supposed, the archenemy of plutocracy, is actually plutocracy's crucial enabler:

The methods and machinery of democratic, republican self-government—caucuses, primaries, committees, and conventions—lend themselves perhaps more easily than other political methods and machinery to the uses of selfish cliques which seek political influence for interested purposes. (Sumner, "Andrew Jackson") [On this topic I highly recommend Scott Trask's article "William Graham Sumner: Against Democracy, Plutocracy, and Imperialism" in the Fall 2004 issue of the Journal of Libertarian Studies.]

But on this point writers like Sumner were simply developing the implications of James Madison's remark in the Federalist that the extreme mutability to which representative governments are liable is likely to work to the benefit of a wealthy minority:


It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. . . . Another effect of public instability is the unreasonable advantage it gives to the sagacious, the enterprising, and the moneyed few over the industrious and uniformed mass of the people. Every new regulation concerning commerce or revenue, or in any way affecting the value of the different species of property, presents a new harvest to those who watch the change, and can trace its consequences; a harvest, reared not by themselves, but by the toils and cares of the great body of their fellow-citizens. This is a state of things in which it may be said with some truth that laws are made for the FEW, not for the MANY. (Federalist 62.)

And Madison in his turn was drawing on the ancient Athenian argument that electoral systems are actually oligarchic rather than democratic. (See my "The Athenian Constitution: Government by Jury and Referendum.")

While both libertarians and Marxists complained of the power of wealthy elites, they disagreed on the remedy, because they disagreed on the origin of the problem. For the Marxists, plutocracy was a product of the market; the ruling class emerged through commerce, and only subsequently seized control of the state in order to consolidate its already established hegemony. (Marx himself was ambivalent on this question, but Engels solidified the orthodox Marxist position.) Hence for the Marxists it was the market that needed to be suppressed; this is the origin of the left-wing view that fascism is simply a manifestation of free-market "capitalism." For the libertarians, by contrast, a ruling class depends for its power on the power of the state, and so it is the latter that needs to be suppressed.

The libertarians did not, however, make the mistake of supposing that state power by itself was the sole problem. Since rulers are generally outnumbered by those they rule, these thinkers saw that state power itself cannot survive except through popular acceptance, which the state lacks the power to compel. In Spencer's words, "In the case of a government representing a dominant class . . . [t]he very existence of a class monopolizing all power, is due to certain sentiments in the commonalty." ("The Social Organism.") Likewise Dunoyer writes:


The first mistake, and to my mind the most serious, is not sufficiently seeing difficulties where they are—not recognising them except in governments. Since it is indeed there that the greatest obstacles ordinarily make themselves felt, it is assumed that that is where they exist, and that alone is where one endeavours to attack them. . . . One is unwilling to see that nations are the material from which governments are made; that it is from their bosom that governments emerge. (Industry and Morals.)

Or again as American anarchist Edwin Walker pointedly asked: if statism were the cause of all social evil, what on earth could be the cause of statism? (Communism and Conscience.)

19th-century libertarians, then, tended to be "radical" or "dialectical" thinkers in Chris Sciabarra's sense; they viewed state power as part of an interlocking system of mutually reinforcing social practices and structures, and were intensely interested in the institutional and cultural accompaniments of statism—accompaniments which both drew support from and provided support to the power of the state.

It is in their analysis of these accompaniments that we see them grappling with the specifically fascist aspects of statist culture. Writers like Dunoyer, Spencer, and Molinari saw a close connection between statism and militarism because in their view the state originated in war; tribes that succeeded in fending off invaders became increasingly dependent on their warrior class, while tribes that failed to fend off invaders become the subjects of the enemy tribe's warrior class—and in either the case the warrior class was thereby positioned to become a ruling class. Dunoyer and Spencer also saw a reciprocal relationship between statism and militarism on the one hand and patriarchy on the other, since they regarded the rule of men over women as the original class division from which all later ones grew. They would thus not have been surprised to see fascist movements glorifying military conquest on the one hand and the patriarchal family on the other.

They would also not have been surprised to notice that fascism takes its name from the fasces, the Roman symbol of an axe in a bundle of rods. (A bundle of rods by itself indicated that an official had the power to inflict corporal punishment; adding an axe to the bundle of rods implied the power to inflict death as well.) Bastiat regarded the prevailing reverence for ancient Rome as a pernicious cultural influence. He wrote:


What was [Roman] patriotism? Hatred of foreigners, the destruction of all civilization, the stifling of all progress, the scourging of the world with fire and sword, the chaining of women, children, and old men to triumphal chariots—this was glory, this was virtue. . . . The lesson has not been lost; and it is from Rome undoubtedly that this adage comes to us . . . one nation's loss is another nation's gain—an adage that still governs the world. To acquire an idea of Roman morality, imagine in the heart of Paris an organization of men who hate to work, determined to satisfy their wants by deceit and force, and consequently at war with society. Doubtless a certain moral code and even some solid virtues will soon manifest themselves in such an organization. Courage, perseverance, self-control, prudence, discipline, constancy in misfortune, deep secrecy, punctilio, devotion to the community—such undoubtedly will be the virtues that necessity and prevailing opinion would develop among these brigands; such were those of the buccaneers; such were those of the Romans. It may be said that, in regard to the latter, the grandeur of their enterprise and the immensity of their success has thrown so glorious a veil over their crimes as to transform them into virtues. And this is precisely why that school is so pernicious. It is not abject vice, it is vice crowned with splendor, that seduces men's souls. ("Acadeic Degrees and Socialism.")

Rome, incidentally, was another culture in which plutocracy triumphed by adopting a democratic guise.

Spencer was convinced that Western culture in his day was entering a retrograde phase, a phase he called "re-barbarization," in which the values of industrial society, the society of voluntary cooperation and mutual benefit, were yielding once more to the older values of militant society, of hierarchy, regimentation, aggressive impulses, anti-intellectuality, and a zero-sum view of human existence. Spencer saw evidence of re-barbarization not only in official military policy but also in cultural developments, as for example in the increasing militarization of the church, or the recrudescence of what he called the "religion of enmity." (Principles of Sociology.) Spencer was distressed to observe that in "the Church-services held on the occasion of the departure of troops for South Africa [he was writing of the Boer War] . . . certain hymns are used in a manner which substitutes for the spiritual enemy the human enemy. Thus for a generation past, under cover of the forms of a religion which preaches peace, love, and forgiveness, there has been a perpetual shouting of the words 'war' and 'blood,' 'fire' and 'battle,' and a continual exercise of the antagonistic feelings." (Facts and Comments, ch. 25.)

Another cultural development that Spencer identified as a symptom of re-barbarization was the rise of professional sports. In Spencer's words:


Naturally along with . . . exaltation of brute force in its armed form . . . showing how widely the trait of coerciveness, which is the essential element in militancy, has pervaded the nation, there has gone a cultivation of skilled physical force under the form of athleticism. The word is quite modern, for the reason that a generation ago the facts to be embraced under it were not sufficiently numerous and conspicuous to call for it. In my early days "sports," so called, were almost exclusively represented by one weekly paper, Bell's Life in London, found I am told in the haunts of rowdies and in taverns of a low class. Since then, the growth has been such that the acquirement of skill in leading games has become an absorbing occupation. . . . Meanwhile, to satisfy the demand journalism has been developing, so that besides sundry daily and weekly papers devoted wholly to sports, the ordinary daily and weekly papers give reports of "events" in all localities, and not unfrequently a daily paper has a whole page occupied with them. . . . While bodily superiority is coming to the front, mental superiority is retreating into the background. . . . Thus various changes point back to those mediaeval days when courage and bodily power were the sole qualifications of the ruling classes, while such culture as existed was confined to priests and the inmates of monasteries. (Facts and Comments, ch. 25.)

Such symptoms of militarization and barbarization in the arena of culture proceeded in tandem with analogous changes in government, including a shift in power from civilian to military authority, and within the civilian government from parliamentary to executive authority. In 1881 Spencer referred to the measures then being taken in Germany


for extending, directly and indirectly, the control over popular life. On the one hand there are the laws under which, up to middle of last year [i.e., 1880], 224 socialist societies have been closed, 180 periodicals suppressed, 317 books, &c., forbidden . . . On the other hand may be named Prince Bismarck's scheme for re-establishing guilds (bodies which by their regulations coerce their members), and his scheme of State-insurance. . . . In all which changes we see progress towards . . . the replacing of civil organization by military organization, towards the strengthening of restraints over the individual and regulation of his life in greater detail. (Principles of Sociology V. 17.)

And Spencer saw England beginning to follow in Germany's footsteps; he noted with alarm "a manifest extension of the militant spirit and discipline among the police, who, wearing helmet-shaped hats, beginning to carry revolvers, and looking upon themselves as half soldiers, have come to speak of the people as 'civilians'," and he objected to the "increasing assimilation of the volunteer forces to the regular army, now going to the extent of proposing to make them available abroad, so that instead of defensive action for which they were created, they can be used for offensive action." (Ibid.)

A few years later, on the other side of the Atlantic, Voltairine de Cleyre noted analogous developments in America:


Our fathers thought they had guarded against a standing army by providing for the voluntary militia. In our day we have lived to see this militia declared part of the regular military force of the United States, and subject to the same demands as the regulars. Within another generation we shall probably see its members in the regular pay of the general government. ("Anarchism and American Traditions.")

At the time of the Spanish-American War, Sumner was writing of the "Conquest of the United States by Spain," meaning that the United States, while victorious over Spain on the battlefield, was succumbing ideologically to the imperialist ideas that Spain had traditionally represented. And E. L. Godkin, the editor of The Nation—at that time a classical liberal periodical—wrote despairingly in 1900 of the "Eclipse of Liberalism":


Nationalism in the sense of national greed [he wrote] has supplanted Liberalism. . . . By making the aggrandizement of a particular nation a higher end than the welfare of mankind, it has sophisticated the moral sense of Christendom. . . . We hear no more of natural rights, but of inferior races, whose part it is to submit to the government of those whom God has made their superiors. The old fallacy of divine right has once more asserted its ruinous power, and before it is again repudiated there must be international struggles on a terrific scale. At home all criticism on the foreign policy of our rulers is denounced as unpatriotic. They must not be changed, for the national policy must be continuous. Abroad, the rulers of every country must hasten to every scene of international plunder, that they may secure their share. To succeed in these predatory expeditions the restraints on parliamentary . . . government must be cast aside. ("The Eclipse of Liberalism.")

In short, the 19th-century libertarians observed the rise of the various tendencies that would come together to make fascism—militarism, corporatism, regimentation, nationalist chauvinism, plutocracy in populist guise, the call for "strong leaders" and "national greatness," the glorification of conflict over commerce and of brute force over intellect—and they bitterly opposed the whole package. And although they ultimately lost that battle, their fallen banner is ours to pick up.

Let me give Sumner the last word; he's writing once again of the Spanish-American War:


[T]he reason why liberty, of which we Americans talk so much, is a good thing is that it means leaving people to live out their own lives in their own way, while we do the same. If we believe in liberty, as an American principle, why do we not stand by it? Why are we going to throw it away to enter upon a Spanish policy of dominion and regulation? . . . [T]his scheme of a republic which our fathers formed was a glorious dream which demands more than a word of respect and affection before it passes away. . . . Their idea was that they would never allow any of the social and political abuses of the old world to grow up here. . . . There were to be no armies except a militia, which would have no functions but those of police. They would have no court and no pomp; no orders, or ribbons, or decorations, or titles. They would have no public debt. . . . There was to be no grand diplomacy, because they intended to mind their own business and not be involved in any of the intrigues to which European statesmen were accustomed. There was to be no balance of power and no "reason of state" to cost the life and happiness of citizens. . . . Our fathers would have an economical government, even if grand people called it a parsimonious one, and taxes should be no greater than were absolutely necessary to pay for such a government. The citizen was to keep all the rest of his earnings and use them as he thought best for the happiness of himself and his family; he was, above all, to be insured peace and quiet while he pursued his honest industry and obeyed the laws. No adventurous policies of conquest or ambition . . . would ever be undertaken by a free democratic republic. Therefore the citizen here would never be forced to leave his family or to give his sons to shed blood for glory and to leave widows and orphans in misery for nothing. . . . It is by virtue of these ideals that we have been "isolated," isolated in a position which the other nations of the earth have observed in silent envy; and yet there are people who are boasting of their patriotism, because they say that we have taken our place now amongst the nations of the earth by virtue of this war. ("Conquest of the United States by Spain.")

https://mises.org/library/liberalism-vs-fascism

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Posted by: You mean opinion politics ()
Date: August 04, 2015 05:31PM

Nazism and Fascism were Ideologies of the Right

Adolf Hitler: Not a Socialist

"Three days ago it was Yom HaShoah, the Jewish Holocaust Remembrance Day. It’s a solemn occasion, one that should not be politicized. On this next day, however, I’d like to address a political pet peeve of mine, namely the view that fascism, specifically Nazism, was somehow an ideology of the Left. It was not.

People often make this mistake by lumping Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia together as two sides of the same totalitarian coin. Both regimes were responsible for monstrous crimes, yet the ideological underpinnings behind them should be distinguished and understood, rather than inaccurately melded together. Fundamentally, fascism and its Nazi manifestation were ideologies of the extreme Right, that advanced not only a racist populism but also a socially Darwinistic, hierarchical individualism that celebrated competition and allowed for for some capitalist industry to coexist alongside and in league with a powerful state.

I was spurred to write this post after listening to right-wing talk radio, where the announcer described fascism as an ideology of the left, the result of the expansion of Big Government. These scare tactics are used to form a slippery slope argument, namely that the welfare state leads to the gas chambers. Friedrich Hayek advanced a version of this argument in his famous and erroneous work, The Road to Serfdom, particularly in his chapter “The Socialist Roots of Nazism.” It is certainly true that fascism represents the worship and expansion of state power. Yet it can and did exist alongside capitalism, as was the case in Nazi Germany. Though Adolf Hitler led the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nazi), Hitler was not a socialist.

The reasons for this are manifold. First is the obvious: socialist and communist parties existed in Weimar Germany alongside the Nazi party and indeed were its bitter enemy (though Communists and Nazis occasionally colluded too). Second, and equally obvious, Nazism divided Germans along racial rather than class lines. Jews and other enemies of the state were enemies regardless of class, and the Aryan ideal could be achieved at any socioeconomic level.

Third, the Nazi regime did not completely take over all large businesses and industries, but rather colluded with them, most famously with chemical company I.G. Farben. This is a crucial mistake people make about fascism: businesses in fascist states like Hitler’s Germany are not necessarily government owned, and can to some degree function within a market-oriented capitalist framework subject to the laws of supply and demand. Fascism, in this totalitarian form, functioned occasionally with brute force, like on Kristalnacht, but often through more subtle means. Fascism more frequently used coercive force like that at play in Jeremy Bentham and Michel Foucault’s Panopticon, a prison that exerted social control through fear of being watched rather than naked displays of state power. This, along with Hitler’s popularity, rendered capitalist business compatible with Nazism, so long as those involved with it were Aryans who obeyed the regime.

Most important, we know Nazism was an ideology of the far right because of the very logic behind it. Unlike socialism, Nazism was a hierarchical, Socially Darwinistic vision that encouraged competition, and showed disdain for the masses, who Hitler called “mentally lazy.” Most crucially, it did not denigrate individualism, but in fact celebrated it. This is evident in Hitler’s major work, Mein Kampf.

I’m not simply referring to Hitler’s attacks on “Jewish” Marxism and Bolshevism, which he argued was a “comrade” to the equally Jewish “greedy finance capital.” Hitler believed that “the stronger must dominate and not blend with the weaker.” Hitler extrapolated from individual achievement, “true genius,” to racial achievement. Indeed, to ignore racial hierarchy led to an “underestimation of the individual. For denial of the difference between the various races with regard to their general culture-creating forces must necessarily extend this greatest of all errors to the judgment of the individual.” Hitler celebrated the “free play of forces” that enabled both individual and racial advancement in Darwinian struggle. He loved sports, especially boxing, as they served “to make the individual strong, agile and bold.”

Hitler’s individualism and elitism emerged most strongly in his chapter on “Personality and the Conception of the Folkish State.” Hitler distorted Nietzschean philosophy to elevate certain individuals, like himself, above all others. He hoped to organize society that placed “thinking individuals above the masses, thus subordinating the latter to the former.” This would be true of economic life as well. “in all fields preparing the way for that highest measure of productive performance which grants to the individual the highest measure of participation.”

I could go on. My point here is not to politicize, but to de-politicize. Hitler was of course not a pure capitalist, and Nazi Germany not a purely capitalist state. Nazi Germany’s economy relied on considerable amount of state control and even some Keynesian economics. Many socialists showed similar disdain for the masses. But, and this is crucial, Hitler was not really interested in economics, nor was economic policy central to the Third Reich. Expansion of government and state power was less important to the regime than socially Darwinistic racial competition.

To conclude, I’ll simply say this: socialism and the welfare state should not be advanced by criticizing Nazi Germany and invoking the spectre of the Holocaust, but they should not be attacked that way either."


http://phdoctopus.com/2012/04/22/nazism-and-fascism-were-ideologies-of-the-right/

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: FrankR. ()
Date: August 04, 2015 05:40PM

Danzig Wrote:
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> Libtard OP is very confused.
>
> My view on Democrats is that they're fascists
> disguised as liberals, or liberal moderates.
> You're not allowed to say anything that they don't
> agree with. You're not allowed to do anything.
> Also, the whole Obama, "I can kill anybody with a
> drone with no trial," is kind of disturbing. I'm
> surprised that more people who are supposedly
> liberal aren't more disturbed by it. I think
> whatever Obama does is OK with them, because he's
> Obama. It's bullshit.

Amen.

P.S. Danzig is the shit.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Annandale of Antifa ()
Date: October 01, 2018 02:12PM

The current iteration of the GOP is Fascist. There's no arguing that. Especially the Trumpites.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Asker of questions ()
Date: October 01, 2018 02:15PM

what's the difference between some PantyFa beta male and a moron who revives a 3 YO thread?


None, they're 1 & the same.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: Excellent question ()
Date: October 01, 2018 02:39PM

A lot more freedom with the conservative, some people say too much freedom but that is nonsense. Conservative today call a "spade a spade", "maybe folks say we won't give out much; but we don't take in that much either" when it comes to taxes and such. You know that sort of stuff "never steal and don't tolerate it either". Good stuff! Dems on the other hand are the complete opposite of everything I have just stated. They tell a "Big Lie" as propagated by the Nazi party, tell it enough, and people WILL believe said Joseph Goebbels Propaganda Min. for the party. They haves agents like Stormy Daniels lawyer, smart people, lawyers who will use any method "fair or unfair" to push their agenda. Give three people three choices, not all the same particulars, good or bad , and they were pull out one choice, only one! and stick with it "Oh I heard 3 cases and this is the only one I believe!!" Mind tricks!

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: the difference is uniforms ()
Date: October 01, 2018 10:24PM

Hitler's fascists at least wore snappy uniforms. Trumptardz dress like slobs.

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Re: What's the difference between the modern American conserva-tard movement and a fascism?
Posted by: the difference is ()
Date: October 01, 2018 10:28PM

libtards are the fascists.

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