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Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Christopher ()
Date: May 22, 2009 01:56AM

Does protesting make a difference anymore? I'm convinced it's a waste of time. What do you think?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 22, 2009 02:49AM

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 22, 2009 02:53AM

it's a waste of time.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 22, 2009 02:58AM

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 07:02AM

Gravis Wrote:
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> it's a waste of time.

Of course this from a guy who doesnt even vote. So voting is a waste of time...demonstrating is a waste of time. Gravis...here's another..all the time you spend on FFXU is a waste of time....push away from the screen occasionally!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 07:05AM

Christopher Wrote:
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> Does protesting make a difference anymore? I'm
> convinced it's a waste of time. What do you think?

Perhaps in this country where we have given up on participating in our government..where the only strategy espoused by most on here is to buy a gun..it is. But in other parts of the world people actually do demonstrate and it is often effective...just look to most European countries...it's amazing what can be done when you arent looking for a gun to solve your problems.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: May 22, 2009 07:25AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> all the
> time you spend on FFXU is a waste of time....push
> away from the screen occasionally!

Says the guy who has now been registered here 476 days and has 3,074 posts. In other words over six posts every day since Feb 2 last year. You need to get outside more, take deep breaths and relax some.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 22, 2009 07:49AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Christopher Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> > Does protesting make a difference anymore? I'm
> > convinced it's a waste of time. What do you think?
>
> Perhaps in this country where we have given up on
> participating in our government.


actually, it's where the government has stopped listening to the people and fools only vote based on a single issue in a two party system where neither party listens to the people.


> where the only
> strategy espoused by most on here is to buy a
> gun..it is. But in other parts of the world
> people actually do demonstrate and it is often
> effective...just look to most European
> countries...


please list some examples. additionally, their countries are far smaller and less diverse making it easier to organize. organizing even a fifth of the US would take 30 million people (children excluded, which im rounding to half the population). 30 million is larger than the populations of many european countries. your ideas are really quite unrealistic and sound like some foolish college student who thinks ha can lead a revolution to change the world. this country isnt even close to being fucked up enough for people to really care.


> it's amazing what can be done when you
> arent looking for a gun to solve your problems.


how many people have gone shooting up government buildings? that's not what they are buying them for, you are using a red herring.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:02AM

If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any indication of a successful protest, then I would say blogging and twittering are far more effective.

Some of us countered the protest at Potomac Mills. Rather than carrying flags and banners, we patronized the shops and complained each time the protesters congregated on private land. The shop managers were very quick to contact the police and within an hour, there was a constant police presence instructing the protesters where they could congregate (public sidewalks OUTSIDE the shopping center) and directing them off the private land when they tried to sneak in.

We sat in the shops drinking coffee and chatting, while the protesters were repeatedly herded off the mall grounds like stupid cattle. They finally became exasperated and left after just a couple hours.

===

But on the other side, had it not been for the constant presence of the opposition at the Herndon Day Labor Center, it might still be there drawing the dregs of the illegals.

The "Church Ladies" weren't happy about the closing - they just lost their $175K grant money from Fairfax County - but they took it on the chin and even took time from the Center Closing to wave to the cameras.



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MLK Jr. ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:47AM

Christopher Wrote:
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> Does protesting make a difference anymore?

Yes

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:10AM

conVince Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > all the
> > time you spend on FFXU is a waste of
> time....push
> > away from the screen occasionally!
>
> Says the guy who has now been registered here 476
> days and has 3,074 posts. In other words over six
> posts every day since Feb 2 last year. You need
> to get outside more, take deep breaths and relax
> some.

I agree...

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:14AM

>
> how many people have gone shooting up government
> buildings? that's not what they are buying them
> for, you are using a red herring.

You dont read many of the comments on here do you? Virtually everyone is convinced that the freedoms guaranteed to them under the constitution are dependent on them owning a gun. As if..if they didnt have a gun, state and federal officials would have them in chains the next day. Sorry..no red herring.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:15AM

Junes Wrote:
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> If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any
> indication of a successful protest, then I would
> say blogging and twittering are far more
> effective.
>
> Some of us countered the protest at Potomac Mills.
> Rather than carrying flags and banners, we
> patronized the shops and complained each time the
> protesters congregated on private land. The shop
> managers were very quick to contact the police and
> within an hour, there was a constant police
> presence instructing the protesters where they
> could congregate (public sidewalks OUTSIDE the
> shopping center) and directing them off the
> private land when they tried to sneak in.
>
> We sat in the shops drinking coffee and chatting,
> while the protesters were repeatedly herded off
> the mall grounds like stupid cattle. They finally
> became exasperated and left after just a couple
> hours.
>
> ===
>
> But on the other side, had it not been for the
> constant presence of the opposition at the Herndon
> Day Labor Center, it might still be there drawing
> the dregs of the illegals.
>
> The "Church Ladies" weren't happy about the
> closing - they just lost their $175K grant money
> from Fairfax County - but they took it on the chin
> and even took time from the Center Closing to wave
> to the cameras.


Your lack of humanity is really disturbing.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:26AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Gravis Wrote:
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > it's amazing what can be done when you
> > arent looking for a gun to solve your problems.
>
> > how many people have gone shooting up government
> > buildings? that's not what they are buying them
> > for, you are using a red herring.
>
> Virtually everyone is convinced that the freedoms
> guaranteed to them under the constitution are
> dependent on them owning a gun.


file.php?40,file=3517

you dont even understand why people want guns.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:48AM

So what you're saying is if you support the cause, then it's cool. If you don't, then it lacks humanity and is distrubing.

But in your defense, you're right, it probably was untoward to take such unfair advantage of imbeciles. Even the "bright" ones were operating on a dimmer switch.







Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Junes Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any
> > indication of a successful protest, then I
> would
> > say blogging and twittering are far more
> > effective.
> >
> > Some of us countered the protest at Potomac
> Mills.
> > Rather than carrying flags and banners, we
> > patronized the shops and complained each time
> the
> > protesters congregated on private land. The
> shop
> > managers were very quick to contact the police
> and
> > within an hour, there was a constant police
> > presence instructing the protesters where they
> > could congregate (public sidewalks OUTSIDE the
> > shopping center) and directing them off the
> > private land when they tried to sneak in.
> >
> > We sat in the shops drinking coffee and
> chatting,
> > while the protesters were repeatedly herded off
> > the mall grounds like stupid cattle. They
> finally
> > became exasperated and left after just a couple
> > hours.
> >
> > ===
> >
> > But on the other side, had it not been for the
> > constant presence of the opposition at the
> Herndon
> > Day Labor Center, it might still be there
> drawing
> > the dregs of the illegals.
> >
> > The "Church Ladies" weren't happy about the
> > closing - they just lost their $175K grant
> money
> > from Fairfax County - but they took it on the
> chin
> > and even took time from the Center Closing to
> wave
> > to the cameras.
>
>
> Your lack of humanity is really disturbing.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 10:36AM

No. Instead of protesting, people throw circuses now. If I was president, looked out the window, and saw the people that protest now-a-days, I would have a long, hard laugh before signing a bill to increase military spending.

I would then xerox a whole bunch of copies and have them air dropped onto the crowd before lighting a Cuban cigar with a hundred dollar bill.

But, I guess that's why I'm not president.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: May 22, 2009 10:59AM

If I were president, I would make them put all the money in the federal reserve in a big vault and I would swim in it.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 22, 2009 11:59AM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> No. Instead of protesting, people throw circuses
> now. If I was president, looked out the window,
> and saw the people that protest now-a-days, I
> would have a long, hard laugh before signing a
> bill to increase military spending.
>
> I would then xerox a whole bunch of copies and
> have them air dropped onto the crowd before
> lighting a Cuban cigar with a hundred dollar
> bill.
>
> But, I guess that's why I'm not president.


in a bizarre mashup of words and split attention for a second i thought you said you would light a cigar with a hundred dollar bill which in turn would be used to light a bunch of xeroxed fliers on fire and then dropped on the crowd at a circus.

dropping burning fliers on a circus crowd? i would so vote for you.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 12:04PM

Well, at least I know what to base my platform on.

"Vote for me, I'll set fire to hippie protesters."

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: May 22, 2009 02:20PM

Protest does make a difference...it ended the Vietnam War.

Never underestimate the power of oneness.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 02:45PM

spunky Wrote:
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> Protest does make a difference...it ended the
> Vietnam War.
>
> Never underestimate the power of oneness.

Nice to see you're still a fucking retard. Why don't you try thinking about what you say before you say it?

Fall of Saigon

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Been there, Done that
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:29PM

Protests can make a difference, but not always. Large demonstrations
generate press coverage, especially if there are confrontations with
the police. Violence generates even more. If there are heads busted
and tear gas flies, its almost a guarantee that you will be on the
national news. This will get the attention of more people who may
be in agreement with your cause and they will in turn write/call their
elected representatives.


Most large demonstrations will generate press coverage just because
of their sheer numbers. Rule of the thumb on the Mall is that you
need at least 20,000 to get the press attention you want. Bring traffic
to a standstill in DC and you will piss off a lot of people, but get
more coverage both local and national.

It is also important that during the demonstration, a lobbying team should
be deployed to the Capitol to talk to Congress. That needs to be incorporated
into any press releases as well.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:38PM

spunky Wrote:
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> Protest does make a difference...it ended the
> Vietnam War.
>
> Never underestimate the power of oneness.

Spunky, with all due respects, protests did not end the Vietnam War.
Richard Nixon started a phased withdrawal under the "Vietnamization
Program" but unfortunately, his criminal activities became his downfall.
Nixon hated the protesters and they only strengthened his resolve.

I recall Gerald Ford being President when Saigon fell and the war was
officially over. The "Vietnamization Program" was a total failure but
Ford was stuck with it. I also remember that once Nixon resigned, the
protests dwindled down to a murmur.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:45PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> If I were president, I would make them put all the
> money in the federal reserve in a big vault and I
> would swim in it.

RESton Peace, I hate to interrupt your dream, but the President does
not have the authority (or the responsibility) to do that. The Fed
is NOT under the Executive Branch and functions as an independant
agency. This spells it all out:

http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pf.htm

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:46PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> RESton Peace Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > If I were president, I would make them put all
> the
> > money in the federal reserve in a big vault and
> I
> > would swim in it.
>
> RESton Peace, I hate to interrupt your dream, but
> the President does
> not have the authority (or the responsibility) to
> do that. The Fed
> is NOT under the Executive Branch and functions as
> an independant
> agency. This spells it all out:
>
> http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pf.htm

If RESton Peace or I become president, you can bet your sweet ass THAT will change in a hurry.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:49PM

it also helps to plan. The Day Work Out demonstration by illegal aliens met all your criteria, except they demanded rights in the US while carrying flags from their countries of citizenship.

The demonstration was well covered by the Press and the politicians' phones rang off the hook, but not in favor of the illegals. The next demonstration, poorly attended by illegals and the press, was better planned, but the damage was already done. Even though the illegals carried Old Glory, it was obvious they were going through the motions and it was a shoddy attempt to get rights, benefits and services to which they were not entitled nor deserved.

When planning a demonstration, it's always best to know who your target audience is, appeal to their softer side and make sure you have verifiable facts to start a fire in their belly.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 04:12PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > RESton Peace Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If I were president, I would make them put
> all
> > the
> > > money in the federal reserve in a big vault
> and
> > I
> > > would swim in it.
> >
> > RESton Peace, I hate to interrupt your dream,
> but
> > the President does
> > not have the authority (or the responsibility)
> to
> > do that. The Fed
> > is NOT under the Executive Branch and functions
> as
> > an independant
> > agency. This spells it all out:
> >
> > http://www.federalreserve.gov/pf/pf.htm
>
> If RESton Peace or I become president, you can bet
> your sweet ass THAT will change in a hurry.

MrMephisto, I hate to burst your bubble too, but the President does not
have that authority. It rests entirely with the Congress and would require
a repeal of the Federal Reserve Act. You will notice that with all the
financial turmoil we've had lately, I think only Ron Paul is advocating
such a move. (Its not going to happen)

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: May 22, 2009 04:27PM

Thanks...Jerry Rubin, sometimes I like to test my audience to determine their intelligent level before I continue.

The fact that the Vietnam War was an unpopular war or protested to such extents was very influencial in deciding to withdraw from that war. Nixon wasn't a fool, whatever he publicly acknowledged. Although he did come out of all that looking like a really big...FOOL!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 04:47PM

spunky Wrote:
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> Thanks...Jerry Rubin, sometimes I like to test my
> audience to determine their intelligent level
> before I continue.
>
> The fact that the Vietnam War was an unpopular war
> or protested to such extents was very influencial
> in deciding to withdraw from that war. Nixon
> wasn't a fool, whatever he publicly acknowledged.
> Although he did come out of all that looking like
> a really big...FOOL!

Spunky, the protests started under LBJ and Nixon ran for President on an
anti-war ticket. He said he had a "secret plan" to end the war which
turned out to be Vietnamization. I was in Vietnam in 69-70 and my unit
was tasked with training Vietnamese troops to take over our jobs
eventually. I realized then that this program was a sham. The Vietnamese
were lazy, uncooperative, and parasitic. This is one of the things that
soured me on the war and Nixon during my tour. I spent two years as an
activist/organizer with the Vietnam Veterans Against the War and devoted
most of my time doing leg work preparing for demonstrations. One of my greatest experiences was the day Nixon resigned. Sometimes I think I'm still hungover
from that one. How time changes things. If John Kerry were to walk in my front
door right now I'd throw him out, call the cops, and get a restraining order.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: spunky ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:06PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Thanks...Jerry Rubin, sometimes I like to test
> my
> > audience to determine their intelligent level
> > before I continue.
> >
> > The fact that the Vietnam War was an unpopular
> war
> > or protested to such extents was very
> influencial
> > in deciding to withdraw from that war. Nixon
> > wasn't a fool, whatever he publicly
> acknowledged.
> > Although he did come out of all that looking
> like
> > a really big...FOOL!
>
> Spunky, the protests started under LBJ and Nixon
> ran for President on an
> anti-war ticket. He said he had a "secret plan" to
> end the war which
> turned out to be Vietnamization. I was in Vietnam
> in 69-70 and my unit
> was tasked with training Vietnamese troops to take
> over our jobs
> eventually. I realized then that this program was
> a sham. The Vietnamese



Yes, I agree. Don't you see some resemblance between the Vietnamese
and those in Iraq, Afgan and a lot of other countries?



were lazy, uncooperative, and parasitic. This is
> one of the things that
> soured me on the war and Nixon during my tour. I
> spent two years as an
> activist/organizer with the Vietnam Veterans
> Against the War and devoted
> most of my time doing leg work preparing for
> demonstrations. One of my greatest experiences was
> the day Nixon resigned. Sometimes I think I'm
> still hungover
> from that one. How time changes things. If John
>


Why do you say this about Kerry? He was an anti-war protester too.


Kerry were to walk in my front
> door right now I'd throw him out, call the cops,
> and get a restraining order.


Do you believe waterboarding is torture?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: RESton Peace ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:07PM

Jerry, NOTHING in what you showed me addressed what person or people in government have the responsibility and authority to swim in money... so stick it you humorless coot.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:14PM

RESton Peace Wrote:
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> Jerry, NOTHING in what you showed me addressed
> what person or people in government have the
> responsibility and authority to swim in money...
> so stick it you humorless coot.

Get a job at the Bureau of Engraving and Printing. Click "career opportunities"

http://www.moneyfactory.gov/

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:32PM

spunky Wrote:
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> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > spunky Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Thanks...Jerry Rubin, sometimes I like to
> test
> > my
> > > audience to determine their intelligent level
> > > before I continue.
> > >
> > > The fact that the Vietnam War was an
> unpopular
> > war
> > > or protested to such extents was very
> > influencial
> > > in deciding to withdraw from that war. Nixon
> > > wasn't a fool, whatever he publicly
> > acknowledged.
> > > Although he did come out of all that looking
> > like
> > > a really big...FOOL!
> >
> > Spunky, the protests started under LBJ and
> Nixon
> > ran for President on an
> > anti-war ticket. He said he had a "secret plan"
> to
> > end the war which
> > turned out to be Vietnamization. I was in
> Vietnam
> > in 69-70 and my unit
> > was tasked with training Vietnamese troops to
> take
> > over our jobs
> > eventually. I realized then that this program
> was
> > a sham. The Vietnamese
>
>
>
> Yes, I agree. Don't you see some resemblance
> between the Vietnamese
> and those in Iraq, Afgan and a lot of other
> countries?
>
>
>
> were lazy, uncooperative, and parasitic. This is
> > one of the things that
> > soured me on the war and Nixon during my tour.
> I
> > spent two years as an
> > activist/organizer with the Vietnam Veterans
> > Against the War and devoted
> > most of my time doing leg work preparing for
> > demonstrations. One of my greatest experiences
> was
> > the day Nixon resigned. Sometimes I think I'm
> > still hungover
> > from that one. How time changes things. If John
> >
>
>
> Why do you say this about Kerry? He was an
> anti-war protester too.
>
>
> Kerry were to walk in my front
> > door right now I'd throw him out, call the
> cops,
> > and get a restraining order.
>
>
> Do you believe waterboarding is torture?




"Yes, I agree. Don't you see some resemblance
> between the Vietnamese
> and those in Iraq, Afgan and a lot of other
> countries?"

Yes, but what is critical is that our senior military officers listen
to the troops on the ground and NOT lie to the Pentagon brass and always
tow the line and say "Everything is just wonderful" and "Morale in
the war zone is fantastic and we are just so happy to be here"

> Why do you say this about Kerry? He was an
> anti-war protester too.

Kerry was a one-trick pony back in those days and I didnt know until years
later that he had gone to Paris during the Peace Talks and tried to
present himself as some sort of powerhouse. The VVAW fell apart because
of his abrupt departure to run for the House in Mass. There was no
infrastructure in place and he made no prior announcement, taking us
by complete surprise. He has since then turned into a Liberal anti-
Second Amendment, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-gay marriage asshole.

> Do you believe waterboarding is torture?

No. "Waterboarding" is very light compared to what American troops endure
if captured and I dont like John McCain either. I only voted for him
because Obama is a total jerk and the fact that my two favorite candidates
(Fred Thompson and Tom Tancredo) were out of the primaries before the
Va. election.. The best way to gain info from detainees is to choose two of
them. One who looks intelligent and another who is downright stupid. Take
them up to 2,000 feet in a Huey and throw the dumb one out.
(without a parachute) Usually, the "smart guy" will tell everthing he knows.
Then you take him for a ride too. Its effective, cheap, and if you keep
your mouth shut, out of sight and out of mind.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:35PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> MrMephisto, I hate to burst your bubble too, but
> the President does not
> have that authority. It rests entirely with the
> Congress and would require
> a repeal of the Federal Reserve Act. You will
> notice that with all the
> financial turmoil we've had lately, I think only
> Ron Paul is advocating
> such a move. (Its not going to happen)

You're sort of like a constant downer, huh?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 05:50PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > MrMephisto, I hate to burst your bubble too,
> but
> > the President does not
> > have that authority. It rests entirely with the
> > Congress and would require
> > a repeal of the Federal Reserve Act. You will
> > notice that with all the
> > financial turmoil we've had lately, I think
> only
> > Ron Paul is advocating
> > such a move. (Its not going to happen)
>
> You're sort of like a constant downer, huh?


NO way. But, I did retire from the Fed after 30 years so at least I know
where the money is. I suggest you read the Fed's "Purposes and Functions".

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 07:55PM

Junes Wrote:
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> So what you're saying is if you support the cause,
> then it's cool. If you don't, then it lacks
> humanity and is distrubing.
>
> But in your defense, you're right, it probably was
> untoward to take such unfair advantage of
> imbeciles. Even the "bright" ones were operating
> on a dimmer switch.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Junes Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any
> > > indication of a successful protest, then I
> > would
> > > say blogging and twittering are far more
> > > effective.
> > >
> > > Some of us countered the protest at Potomac
> > Mills.
> > > Rather than carrying flags and banners, we
> > > patronized the shops and complained each time
> > the
> > > protesters congregated on private land. The
> > shop
> > > managers were very quick to contact the
> police
> > and
> > > within an hour, there was a constant police
> > > presence instructing the protesters where
> they
> > > could congregate (public sidewalks OUTSIDE
> the
> > > shopping center) and directing them off the
> > > private land when they tried to sneak in.
> > >
> > > We sat in the shops drinking coffee and
> > chatting,
> > > while the protesters were repeatedly herded
> off
> > > the mall grounds like stupid cattle. They
> > finally
> > > became exasperated and left after just a
> couple
> > > hours.
> > >
> > > ===
> > >
> > > But on the other side, had it not been for
> the
> > > constant presence of the opposition at the
> > Herndon
> > > Day Labor Center, it might still be there
> > drawing
> > > the dregs of the illegals.
> > >
> > > The "Church Ladies" weren't happy about the
> > > closing - they just lost their $175K grant
> > money
> > > from Fairfax County - but they took it on the
> > chin
> > > and even took time from the Center Closing to
> > wave
> > > to the cameras.
> >
> >
> > Your lack of humanity is really disturbing.


No..that's not what I am saying. You never pass up an opportunity to dehumanize undocumented workers...they are all "scum"..."embeciles"...they are all ruthless killers to you. It's disturbing!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:15PM

I have never dehumanized illegal aliens - as for not being the brightest bulb in the pack, well, they cast their own lot for that one.

As an FYI, They are not undocumented workers - they all have documents - but they are stolen or forged.

Oh, if you were listening to the news to night, a 10 year old girl was fondled by one of your friends. When her friend came to her aid and started screaming for help he fled.

This one had a rather interesting twist. The long-haired hispanic man was seen the next day at the neighborhood 7-11 by the mother of the girl. She, a friend and her mother chansed the man, caught him and pinned him to the ground until the police arrived.

It turned out he lived in the apartment complex. The property manager said he was not on the lease nor were some of the others living in the apartment.

I'm not quite sure where in the Human category your perverted friend would fall, but it looks like the "disturbing" people are fed up with it and taking action.

With all the illegals you welcome into your home, there is a very real probability this guy may have been on of them.

And you have two daughters! Now that's REALLY disturbing.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:17PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> NO way. But, I did retire from the Fed after 30
> years...

That explains your lack of a sense of humor.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:25PM

Nam will do that to you!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:27PM

Junes Wrote:
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> I have never dehumanized illegal aliens - as for
> not being the brightest bulb in the pack, well,
> they cast their own lot for that one.
>
> As an FYI, They are not undocumented workers -
> they all have documents - but they are stolen or
> forged.
>
> Oh, if you were listening to the news to night, a
> 10 year old girl was fondled by one of your
> friends. When her friend came to her aid and
> started screaming for help he fled.
>
> This one had a rather interesting twist. The
> long-haired hispanic man was seen the next day at
> the neighborhood 7-11 by the mother of the girl.
> She, a friend and her mother chansed the man,
> caught him and pinned him to the ground until the
> police arrived.
>
> It turned out he lived in the apartment complex.
> The property manager said he was not on the lease
> nor were some of the others living in the
> apartment.
>
> I'm not quite sure where in the Human category
> your perverted friend would fall, but it looks
> like the "disturbing" people are fed up with it
> and taking action.
>
> With all the illegals you welcome into your home,
> there is a very real probability this guy may have
> been on of them.
>
> And you have two daughters! Now that's REALLY
> disturbing.


A perfect example Junes..as if these type of horrible acts are only performed by illegals. You definately give the impression you believe that...it is dehumanizing..casting a slander on an entire group of people because of the actions of a few. You constantly do it. Disturbing!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 08:29PM

Junes Wrote:
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> Nam will do that to you!


More dehumanizing....

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:27PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > NO way. But, I did retire from the Fed after 30
> > years...
>
> That explains your lack of a sense of humor.

MrMephisto, I really do have a sense of humor but Fed employees are not
paid to be funny. My boss used to say "If you want to be a comedian,
get a job at the Improv."

Its a very serious institution and it should be. BTW, the only "real"
money they have is in the Credit Union and the cash registers in the
cafeteria. The Reserve Banks are another story. Do you have some sort
of fetish about swimming in money? I do not know of any counseling
programs for that but perhaps Dr. Fill can help you.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 09:32PM

Junes,
Vince's reply to you is a perfect example of why I usually ignore his
posts. Not worth the time.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 22, 2009 10:39PM

hmmm..my apologies Junes..you are right about Jerry.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 23, 2009 05:03AM

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 23, 2009 06:45AM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> Junes,
> Vince's reply to you is a perfect example of why I
> usually ignore his
> posts. Not worth the time.

But it's so much fun to watch as shoves his foot in his mouth and ends up chomping on his knee cap.

I know it's not fair to play head games with a half-wit - but it is so much fun!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 23, 2009 07:10AM

Alias Wrote:
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> Junes wrote:
> “If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any
> indication of a successful protest, .......”
> HA! Funny picture.
>
> Vince wrote:
> “Perhaps in this country where we have given up on
> participating in our government..where the only
> strategy espoused by most on here is to buy a
> gun..it is. But in other parts of the world people
> actually do demonstrate and it is often
> effective...just look to most European
> countries...it's amazing what can be done when you
> arent looking for a gun to solve your problems.”
> ____________
>
> Yeah, let’s look to Europe for guidance. Hitler..
> Mussolini.. and, today, socialist governments.
> When Europeans demonstrate, they’re usually
> looking for more government control, not less. So,
> why look to Europe? Europe was once great but is
> now just a museum which we protect.
>
> Protests in Europe:
> ALERT ALERT!!
>
> Climate Emergency
> Save the Two Headed Frog
> Jobs not Bombs
> Low Carbon Economy
> Welfare Salaries Substandard
> Planet Before Profit
> Stop America


Keep up buddy..all your examples are 60 years old...Europe has moved on and so have we. In those last 60 years we have emulated Europe more then they have us.
We dont protect Europe...we occupy Europe. We have bought off their governments for our own self interests. You are blind to fact that Europeans have a better standard of living then we do. We are free to starve..free from universal medical care...free from a low cost and effective educatioanl system...freedom!

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 23, 2009 07:11AM

Junes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Junes,
> > Vince's reply to you is a perfect example of why
> I
> > usually ignore his
> > posts. Not worth the time.
>
> But it's so much fun to watch as shoves his foot
> in his mouth and ends up chomping on his knee cap.
>
>
> I know it's not fair to play head games with a
> half-wit - but it is so much fun!

Oh..a budding romance..Im happy for you Junes...maybe there is some humanit in you...but not much.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 23, 2009 07:15AM

spunky Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Protest does make a difference...it ended the
> Vietnam War.
>
> Never underestimate the power of oneness.


Spunky..dont let Jerry fool you..demonstrations in the street had plenty to do with our withdrawal from Vietnam. WIthout it we'd still be there today as an occupying force protecting Vietnam from the world. Meanwhile they have made peace with the world. The Vietnamese have proven to be a wonderully peaceful..ambitious people once they had an opportunity to be free.

What demonstrations did not impact was Watergate and the eventual resignation of Nixon. That was primarily driven by the press and the ruie of law.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 23, 2009 08:55AM

The illegal alien work out protest - complete with flags from all the Latin American nations - didn't turn out so well either.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: fereel ()
Date: May 23, 2009 11:43AM

Junes Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the Latino Work-Out Day Protest is any
> indication of a successful protest, then I would
> say blogging and twittering are far more
> effective.
>
> Some of us countered the protest at Potomac Mills.
> Rather than carrying flags and banners, we
> patronized the shops and complained each time the
> protesters congregated on private land. The shop
> managers were very quick to contact the police and
> within an hour, there was a constant police
> presence instructing the protesters where they
> could congregate (public sidewalks OUTSIDE the
> shopping center) and directing them off the
> private land when they tried to sneak in.
>
> We sat in the shops drinking coffee and chatting,
> while the protesters were repeatedly herded off
> the mall grounds like stupid cattle. They finally
> became exasperated and left after just a couple
> hours.
>
> ===
>
> But on the other side, had it not been for the
> constant presence of the opposition at the Herndon
> Day Labor Center, it might still be there drawing
> the dregs of the illegals.
>
> The "Church Ladies" weren't happy about the
> closing - they just lost their $175K grant money
> from Fairfax County - but they took it on the chin
> and even took time from the Center Closing to wave
> to the cameras.


That photo is really from the last forum meet up (Left to right): WTL, Vince, Margie, and Trickie (RIP).

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 23, 2009 12:06PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> spunky Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Protest does make a difference...it ended the
> > Vietnam War.
> >
> > Never underestimate the power of oneness.
>
>
> Spunky..dont let Jerry fool you..demonstrations in
> the street had plenty to do with our withdrawal
> from Vietnam. WIthout it we'd still be there
> today as an occupying force protecting Vietnam
> from the world. Meanwhile they have made peace
> with the world. The Vietnamese have proven to be
> a wonderully peaceful..ambitious people once they
> had an opportunity to be free.
>
> What demonstrations did not impact was Watergate
> and the eventual resignation of Nixon. That was
> primarily driven by the press and the ruie of law.

Vince, once again, you open-mouth, insert-foot. The DNC was staffed
largely with unpaid volunteers. (and paid staff who were working for
1/2 their salaries due to a lack of funding) The volunteers were
largely drawn from DC chapters of organizations such as the
VVAW, (Veterans for McGovern) A group that would become the
National Organization for Women (NOW) under the direction of Ms Gloria
Steinhem, and a host of others from the Washington Area Peace Action
Coalition. (WAPAC) These were the groups primarily responsible for organizing
most of the major demonstrations on the Mall in those days. The
demonstrations infuriated Nixon. Do you remember who the Watergate burglars
were targeting when they broke into the DNC?

No Vince, we would not still be in Nam if there were no demonstrations.
As I mentioned before, the Vietnamization Program was a phased withdrawal
and not some sort of left-wing fantasy. Your're ignorance of the
Vietnam/Watergate era is glowing like a searchlight and I would suggest
you read a book called "Fire In The Lake" by Frances Fitzgerald. That
would be a good start before delving into such lofty subjects as the
Watergate. Its fine to read about such things, but there is no substitute
for being able to say "Read about it? Hell, I was there!"

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 23, 2009 12:17PM

fereel Wrote:
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>
> That photo is really from the last forum meet up
> (Left to right): WTL, Vince, Margie, and Trickie
> (RIP).

Actually one of the ladies a promiment member of Reston Interfaith, representing a large Catholic Church in Fairfax County. Another is a former member of the Fairfax Chamber of Commerce

Vince may be among the men in the picture - I can't say for sure because they never give their names to the press

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 23, 2009 10:30PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > spunky Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Protest does make a difference...it ended the
> > > Vietnam War.
> > >
> > > Never underestimate the power of oneness.
> >
> >
> > Spunky..dont let Jerry fool you..demonstrations
> in
> > the street had plenty to do with our withdrawal
> > from Vietnam. WIthout it we'd still be there
> > today as an occupying force protecting Vietnam
> > from the world. Meanwhile they have made peace
> > with the world. The Vietnamese have proven to
> be
> > a wonderully peaceful..ambitious people once
> they
> > had an opportunity to be free.
> >
> > What demonstrations did not impact was
> Watergate
> > and the eventual resignation of Nixon. That
> was
> > primarily driven by the press and the ruie of
> law.
>
> Vince, once again, you open-mouth, insert-foot.
> The DNC was staffed
> largely with unpaid volunteers. (and paid staff
> who were working for
> 1/2 their salaries due to a lack of funding) The
> volunteers were
> largely drawn from DC chapters of organizations
> such as the
> VVAW, (Veterans for McGovern) A group that would
> become the
> National Organization for Women (NOW) under the
> direction of Ms Gloria
> Steinhem, and a host of others from the Washington
> Area Peace Action
> Coalition. (WAPAC) These were the groups primarily
> responsible for organizing
> most of the major demonstrations on the Mall in
> those days. The
> demonstrations infuriated Nixon. Do you remember
> who the Watergate burglars
> were targeting when they broke into the DNC?
>
> No Vince, we would not still be in Nam if there
> were no demonstrations.
> As I mentioned before, the Vietnamization Program
> was a phased withdrawal
> and not some sort of left-wing fantasy. Your're
> ignorance of the
> Vietnam/Watergate era is glowing like a
> searchlight and I would suggest
> you read a book called "Fire In The Lake" by
> Frances Fitzgerald. That
> would be a good start before delving into such
> lofty subjects as the
> Watergate. Its fine to read about such things, but
> there is no substitute
> for being able to say "Read about it? Hell, I was
> there!"


Vince, What happened? Did you just disappear when you encountered someone
who actually does things instead of just talk about it?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 09:17AM

We ll the "fact" that you were there probably means you have an agenda..some self aggrandizing perspective that gives your youth and life meaning.

I have no doubt that the DNC was comprised of all the groups you mention...and did help or even lead demonstrations in DC. So what? Who/what pushed the DNC into action? The DNC never came close to being the concious of this country during the Vietnam War. They were/are/always will be part of the establishment...part of the problem. It was the radicals of the day that gave the DNC cover to appear more moderate. Without them we would indeed still have military in Vietnam. Question..where was the DNC on August 26, 1968?



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 24, 2009 12:10PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> We ll the "fact" that you were there probably
> means you have an agenda..some self aggrandizing
> perspective that gives your youth and life
> meaning.
>
> I have no doubt that the DNC was comprised of all
> the groups you mention...and did help or even lead
> demonstrations in DC. So what? Who/what pushed
> the DNC into action? The DNC never came close to
> being the concious of this country during the
> Vietnam War. They were/are/always will be part of
> the establishment...part of the problem. It was
> the radicals of the day that gave the DNC cover to
> appear more moderate. Without them we would
> indeed still have military in Vietnam.
> Question..where was the DNC on August 26, 1968?

Vince, Your rhetorical smoke screen is rather transparent. The volunteer
staffers were also the "radicals of the day" so to speak unless you're trying
to lend credit to extremist nut jobs like the SDS, Weather Underground,
Yippies, etc. I give up on trying to explain what "phased withdrawal" means because you arent going to listen anyway.

I have no idea where DNC Headquarters was located on August 26, 1968 if
you are referring to their building location. If you are referring to the Democratic Natonal Convention, I believe Chicago may have been on the agenda
for the Senior Staff. Personally, I was still in the Army, stationed in
Germany along the Czech border and quite busy with other matters. The location
of the DNC was totally irrelevant to my unit and we were too busy dealing
with an out-of-control Socialist/Communist situation across the border that
was a result of what happens when people are naive enough to believe
Marxist crap.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 12:54PM

My point...we only adopted the phased withdrawal policy after radicals like those you mentioned made it politically acceptable. Orgaizations like the DNC are not the leaders for change...they react to the political reality.

August 26-29....Chicago...the DNC was inside the convention hall.

I commend you on your military service...



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 24, 2009 01:14PM

Vince(1) wrote:

>"I commend you on your military service..."



Didn't you call the insurgents in Iraq "freedom fighters" the other day? Now you are commending someone on their military service when you clearly support the Iraqis.....get your stories straight Vince.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 01:30PM

Furfur Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) wrote:
>
> >"I commend you on your military service..."
>
>
>
> Didn't you call the insurgents in Iraq "freedom
> fighters" the other day? Now you are commending
> someone on their military service when you clearly
> support the Iraqis.....get your stories straight
> Vince.


Well...if you want to get it right..I said "some" would call them freedom fighters. I have a great deal of respect for our military...I just want them out of the middle east.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 24, 2009 01:39PM

This is you Vince; your words. Get your lies straight.



Re: Arrests in New York 'attack plot'
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 21, 2009 12:49PM

Oh please...relieve of you hypocracy..we kill 10 times more innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan than anyone else there.

Yes...the resistence in Iraq and Afghanistan are their performing patriotic duties as much as our soldiers are in occupying their country. We need to get the hell out of their countries as quickly as we can.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 02:01PM

Furfur Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> This is you Vince; your words. Get your lies
> straight.
>
>
>
> Re: Arrests in New York 'attack plot'
> Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> Date: May 21, 2009 12:49PM
>
> Oh please...relieve of you hypocracy..we kill 10
> times more innocent people in Iraq and Afghanistan
> than anyone else there.
>
> Yes...the resistence in Iraq and Afghanistan are
> their performing patriotic duties as much as our
> soldiers are in occupying their country. We need
> to get the hell out of their countries as quickly
> as we can.


fine I stand by them...not a problem. Certainly doesnt mean I am "against" our troops. I just dont think it necessaryto deamonize the enemy, Were there no Patriot Germans during WW II...Vietnamese during the Vietnam War? Sure there were/are.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 24, 2009 02:18PM

Vince(1) is the Jane Fonda of Fairfax Underground.
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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 02:24PM

I wish I could grow a beard like him..and be as rich as she is. I would certainly never would have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and wish I had done more then I did to bring our soldiers home.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: getoverit ()
Date: May 24, 2009 03:07PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I wish I could grow a beard like him..and be as
> rich as she is. I would certainly never would
> have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and wish I
> had done more then I did to bring our soldiers
> home.


You and Bill Ayers ... what a joke

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 24, 2009 04:01PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Furfur Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > This is you Vince; your words. Get your lies
> > straight.
> >
> >
> >
> > Re: Arrests in New York 'attack plot'
> > Posted by: Vince(1) ()
> > Date: May 21, 2009 12:49PM
> >
> > Oh please...relieve of you hypocracy..we kill
> 10
> > times more innocent people in Iraq and
> Afghanistan
> > than anyone else there.
> >
> > Yes...the resistence in Iraq and Afghanistan
> are
> > their performing patriotic duties as much as
> our
> > soldiers are in occupying their country. We
> need
> > to get the hell out of their countries as
> quickly
> > as we can.
>
>
> fine I stand by them...not a problem. Certainly
> doesnt mean I am "against" our troops. I just
> dont think it necessaryto deamonize the enemy,
> Were there no Patriot Germans during WW
> II...Vietnamese during the Vietnam War? Sure
> there were/are.


Vince, Patriot Vietnamese? HA! Where was the "Battle to Defend Saigon"?
As I recall, the ARVN's took off their uniforms, ditched their weapons
and ran like Hell when the NVA started their final assault. The
civilian government officials trampled each other getting out the
country entirely. If you ever find a copy of a book called "Vietnamese
War Heros" please let me know as I have been unable to do so.
Also, I have an ARVN surplus M-16 I'd like to sell ya. Its never
been fired and only dropped once.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 24, 2009 04:34PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I wish I could grow a beard like him..and be as
> rich as she is. I would certainly never would
> have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and wish I
> had done more then I did to bring our soldiers
> home.

Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you DID do to bring the soldiers home?
Im surprised because I figured you were much too young to have been around
then. I hope it was more than wave signs in front of cameras on the Mall. Hmm???

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 08:30PM

>
>
> Vince, Patriot Vietnamese? HA! Where was the
> "Battle to Defend Saigon"?
> As I recall, the ARVN's took off their uniforms,
> ditched their weapons
> and ran like Hell when the NVA started their final
> assault. The
> civilian government officials trampled each other
> getting out the
> country entirely. If you ever find a copy of a
> book called "Vietnamese
> War Heros" please let me know as I have been
> unable to do so.
> Also, I have an ARVN surplus M-16 I'd like to sell
> ya. Its never
> been fired and only dropped once.


Perhaps they were on the other side...which is the point I was trying to make in the first place.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 24, 2009 08:30PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I wish I could grow a beard like him..and be as
> > rich as she is. I would certainly never would
> > have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and wish
> I
> > had done more then I did to bring our soldiers
> > home.
>
> Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you DID do
> to bring the soldiers home?
> Im surprised because I figured you were much too
> young to have been around
> then. I hope it was more than wave signs in front
> of cameras on the Mall. Hmm???


Vote. Which is more then some on here.



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 24, 2009 08:34PM

It took you three edits to make that one sentence...you're slipping old man.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 24, 2009 10:20PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > Vince, Patriot Vietnamese? HA! Where was the
> > "Battle to Defend Saigon"?
> > As I recall, the ARVN's took off their
> uniforms,
> > ditched their weapons
> > and ran like Hell when the NVA started their
> final
> > assault. The
> > civilian government officials trampled each
> other
> > getting out the
> > country entirely. If you ever find a copy of a
> > book called "Vietnamese
> > War Heros" please let me know as I have been
> > unable to do so.
> > Also, I have an ARVN surplus M-16 I'd like to
> sell
> > ya. Its never
> > been fired and only dropped once.
>
>
> Perhaps they were on the other side...which is the
> point I was trying to make in the first place.

Vince, This wont wash either. If they were on the "other side" they wouldnt
have feared the NVA. Instead, they were looking for a one-way ticket
to the "Land Of The Big PX". I'm getting the impression you do not
know enough about the Vietnam War to discuss it.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 24, 2009 10:25PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > I wish I could grow a beard like him..and be
> as
> > > rich as she is. I would certainly never
> would
> > > have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and
> wish
> > I
> > > had done more then I did to bring our
> soldiers
> > > home.
> >
> > Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you DID
> do
> > to bring the soldiers home?
> > Im surprised because I figured you were much
> too
> > young to have been around
> > then. I hope it was more than wave signs in
> front
> > of cameras on the Mall. Hmm???
>
>
> Vote. Which is more then some on here.


Vince, You VOTED? WOW! That must have been a very traumatic experience!
I certainly hope you werent forced into participating in any public opion
polls. (Thats torture) Please tell us all about it! BTW, since you voted
back then, you must be my age or even older. How did you avoid the Draft?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 25, 2009 02:19AM

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 25, 2009 07:19AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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>
> Vote. Which is more then some on here.

Vince, standing next to your mother in the voting booth while she voted doesn't count.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 25, 2009 08:54AM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you DID do
> to bring the soldiers home?
> Im surprised because I figured you were much too
> young to have been around then.


you are far from the first person to mistake vince for some sophomoric college student. to be clear, he's a senior citizen (seriously!). i can only figure that he was brain damaged from dropping acid too much which has put him in his permanent state of mind.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Dr. Fill ()
Date: May 25, 2009 01:43PM

Gravis Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you DID
> do
> > to bring the soldiers home?
> > Im surprised because I figured you were much
> too
> > young to have been around then.

>
> you are far from the first person to mistake vince
> for some sophomoric college student. to be clear,
> he's a senior citizen (seriously!). i can only
> figure that he was brain damaged from dropping
> acid too much which has put him in his permanent
> state of mind.

I suspect something far more serious here. Perhaps the early stages of Alzheimer's are starting to become evident. The staff here at the clinic is off for the Memorial Day weekend and on Tuesday morning we will begin an in depth analysis of Vince's particular case. I have also requested a diagnosis from Dr. Cheech.

There doesn't seem to be a set limit to the amount of LSD an individual can take, physically or psychologically. "Acid casualties" from the 60s and 70s do seem to suggest that repeated chronic use of LSD can have long term effects on your brain and your mental well being. At the same time, however, practitioners like Dr Timothy Leary took LSD over one thousand times in their lifetime with no apparent long term physiological damage. Although if you read his later books, you might disagree.

Perhaps what is important is less how much you take, but more how you take it. People like Leary were very careful about 'set' and 'setting' when taking LSD, ensuring their environment and people around them were relaxing to guarantee a pleasant trip and to lessen the chance of "freaking out".

If you take LSD a lot (like every weekend) you may find it increasingly difficult to come back to normality, or may become increasingly isolated from those in your circle who do not take it. As always, moderation is recommended.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 25, 2009 03:10PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > >
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> >
> > > -----
> > > > I wish I could grow a beard like him..and
> be
> > as
> > > > rich as she is. I would certainly never
> > would
> > > > have gone to North Vietnam as she did...and
> > wish
> > > I
> > > > had done more then I did to bring our
> > soldiers
> > > > home.
> > >
> > > Vince, Please tell us, what was it that you
> DID
> > do
> > > to bring the soldiers home?
> > > Im surprised because I figured you were much
> > too
> > > young to have been around
> > > then. I hope it was more than wave signs in
> > front
> > > of cameras on the Mall. Hmm???
> >
> >
> > Vote. Which is more then some on here.
>
>
> Vince, You VOTED? WOW! That must have been a very
> traumatic experience!
> I certainly hope you werent forced into
> participating in any public opion
> polls. (Thats torture) Please tell us all about
> it! BTW, since you voted
> back then, you must be my age or even older. How
> did you avoid the Draft?


As I often suspected....the only citizens right on here thats respected by anyone is owning a gun. I take it back..I didnt vote...I bought a gun...and waited for anyone to break into my house. Then I would shoot them. Better?

Still doesnt change the fact that demonstrating does matter....as does voting...and your DNC was nothing more then politicians taking advantage of the work done by others.



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 25, 2009 04:44PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:> >
> > Vince, You VOTED? WOW! That must have been a
> very
> > traumatic experience!
> > I certainly hope you werent forced into
> > participating in any public opion
> > polls. (Thats torture) Please tell us all about
> > it! BTW, since you voted
> > back then, you must be my age or even older.
> How
> > did you avoid the Draft?
>
>
> As I often suspected....the only citizens right on
> here thats respected by anyone is owning a gun. I
> take it back..I didnt vote...I bought a gun...and
> waited for anyone to break into my house. Then I
> would shoot them. Better?
>
> Still doesnt change the fact that demonstrating
> does matter....as does voting...and your DNC was
> nothing more then politicians taking advantage of
> the work done by others.

Vince, You're avoiding my questions again. How did you avoid the Draft?

"and your DNC was nothing more than politicians taking advantage of the
work done by others."

Ref your above quote. Tell that one to G. Gordon Liddy or James McCord.:)

Also, please note on my earlier reply below. Also, note "but not always".

Been there, Done that
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 22, 2009 03:29PM

Protests can make a difference, but not always. Large demonstrations
generate press coverage,





Vince, you should write a book about the incredible impact your vote for
George McGovern had in Virginia and the rest of the nation. Sounds like
it may have turned the tide. Now go take your meds.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 25, 2009 05:38PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> As I often suspected....the only citizens right on
> here thats respected by anyone is owning a gun. I
> take it back..I didnt vote...I bought a gun...and
> waited for anyone to break into my house. Then I
> would shoot them. Better?

The right to own a gun is where all of our other rights come from.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 25, 2009 10:53PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
>
> Vince, you should write a book about the
> incredible impact your vote for
> George McGovern had in Virginia and the rest of
> the nation. Sounds like
> it may have turned the tide. Now go take your
> meds.

Get off your high horse Jerry. I havent heard anything but bullshit from your posts..you are a fraud. Just keep to the topic...your personal attacks might make you popular with the freaks on here like Junes...dont mean a thing to me. So you were drafted!!! Did you enjoy the desk job? Hell you dont even have the nerve to register yourself on here...never mind for the draft!



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 25, 2009 11:17PM

Vince, shut up you draft dodging faggot.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 26, 2009 02:30AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> >
> > Vince, you should write a book about the
> > incredible impact your vote for
> > George McGovern had in Virginia and the rest of
> > the nation. Sounds like
> > it may have turned the tide. Now go take your
> > meds.
>
> Get off your high horse Jerry. I havent heard
> anything but bullshit from your posts..you are a
> fraud. Just keep to the topic...your personal
> attacks might make you popular with the freaks on
> here like Junes...dont mean a thing to me. So you
> were drafted!!! Did you enjoy the desk job? Hell
> you dont even have the nerve to register yourself
> on here...never mind for the draft!

Vince, You are getting downright silly and never seem to want to stop
making a complete ass out of yourself. I was never drafted because I enlisted
at the age of 17 two weeks out of high school. I did not have a "desk job"
either. (MOS 72B40) I am registered here but have more fun this way.
I went to my units website and pulled up some photos for you. Trust me,
there were no "desks" in my world. That didnt come until after college and
a few years of working my up the ladder to Federal govt Department Manger. I
have no reason to bullshit anybody because I'm the sort who participates in things and not just daydreams like yourself. Tell ya what. Meet me at
Hooters sometime and I'll bring my photo album, DD-214, collection of
political buttons, and NRA-ILA membership card if you need proof.


Sleeping quarters:

http://oldspooksandspies.org/Photos/thomas-w/2-4B_Lai_Khe_337_D._Berger.jpg

Operations site:

http://oldspooksandspies.org/Photos/donaldson/85.jpg

That said, just how did you avoid the Draft anyway???????????

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 26, 2009 02:38AM

Vince, BTW, I forgot to tell you something. Out of 48 months Active Duty,
I was deployed overseas for 42. Thailand, Germany, Vietnam. Where the
Hell were you in those days? Pushing a grocery cart full of newspapers
around DuPont Circle and talking to yourself?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 26, 2009 04:24AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> never mind for the draft!


i too am interested in knowing what happened to you during the draft.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 26, 2009 10:16AM

Vince, We're still waiting for your response. Hmmmmm?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Alias: Making Room For Cocks, One Orafice At A Time ()
Date: May 26, 2009 11:33AM

Alias Wrote:
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> that’s because you'd prefer to have the
> military deployed here in Virginia..... to rid
> the state of guns ...

Alias,

Since you're the biggest cocksucking faggot Republican on this site, tell me exactly how the war in Iraq is working vs. the deficiencies. Better yet, compare the failed Republican strategy vs. the new plan to contract and shift resources to Afganistan. Go. And this time, pull the cock from your mouth before you type.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 26, 2009 07:31PM

Jerry Rubin Wrote:
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> Vince, We're still waiting for your response.
> Hmmmmm?


Keep waiting loser! I dont answer questions on command. Think what you want..you will any way. Just like you make up your own history.



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 27, 2009 06:19AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Jerry Rubin Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince, We're still waiting for your response.
> > Hmmmmm?
>
>
> Keep waiting loser! I dont answer questions on
> command. Think what you want..you will any way.
> Just like you make up your own history.


file.php?40,file=6775,filename=vince+is+
"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 27, 2009 10:26AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------

> Keep waiting loser! I dont answer questions on
> command. Think what you want..you will any way.
> Just like you make up your own history.

They weren't demanding an answer from you. But "Jerry Rubin" did share his history after you told him he had a desk job during Vietnam.

I would think you would reciprocate with your own info....


Here, I was an ELINT analyst in the Army from 2001 to 2007, now can you PLEASE tell us what you were doing in the 1960s and early 70s?

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 27, 2009 11:25AM

Furfur Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > Keep waiting loser! I dont answer questions on
> > command. Think what you want..you will any way.
>
> > Just like you make up your own history.
>
> They weren't demanding an answer from you. But
> "Jerry Rubin" did share his history after you told
> him he had a desk job during Vietnam.
>
> I would think you would reciprocate with your own
> info....
>
>
> Here, I was an ELINT analyst in the Army from 2001
> to 2007, now can you PLEASE tell us what you were
> doing in the 1960s and early 70s?

Furfur, I find Vince's habit of avoidance to be a dead give-away that he is
nothing but hot air in the first place. I also offered to meet with him and
provide all the proof necessary to back up my claims. Notice no response to
that one either. In fact, I've also noticed that he never provides any
personal experiences to back up ANY of his claims. Now I see where Dr. Fill
is headed.

Glad to hear you were in ELINT. Were you INSCOM? Devens? Those "palaces"
I posted from my units website were chock full of 98G20's and I'm still
in touch with a lot of them.

I was really surprised at how many vets are here on the FFxU. Ref
"Bored with Life" thread on "Thinking of joining military". But then again,
this is the DC area and there is an incredible concentration of ex-military
who either stay here after their hitch or as in my case, move here to take
advantage of the incredible job opportunities. Veterans Preference and a
Top Secret/Crypto security clearance opened a lot of doors for me back in
those days and still continues to do so. Im sure you know what I mean by
that one. There's nothing like CAT-III COMINT to get your blood
flowing. I miss it.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 27, 2009 11:43AM

Vince is in his late 50s, so he was doing something during the 1960s/1970s; I can't imagine what...

As far as your other question, my last assignment was Ft. Belvoir, so I just stayed in the area after my ETS.



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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:18PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> Vince is in his late 50s, so he was doing
> something during the 1960s/1970s; I can't imagine
> what...
>
> As far as your other question, my last assignment
> was Ft. Belvoir, so I just stayed in the area
> after my ETS.

I doubt if he can either.

Okay, I see where you've been. Back in my day, the Hq was at Arlington Hall.
It was a dreaded assignment because of all the Brass and parades. They had
to pull KP too and that really stunk. Glad I was never assigned there but
there were worse places.

Here's the ASA theme song. A satire for sure as the first KIA in Nam was
an ASA troop and the last troop killed in Nam was ASA as well. Perhaps
Vince would like to sing along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vP514a3k13U

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:27PM

Protesting doesn't really work. You could make change more readily and effectively voting. All protesting does is make yourself a big ole target for the po po to beat on.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 27, 2009 01:53PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Protesting doesn't really work. You could make
> change more readily and effectively voting. All
> protesting does is make yourself a big ole target
> for the po po to beat on.

OTOH, it can generate media publicity and raise funds if conducted properly.
Like minded folks are more likely to donate. Take Cindy Sheehan for example.
Nobody with a brain takes her seriously but she gets air time and money.

Its been my experience that those who are beat on by the po po were asking
for it in the first place. There have been some exceptions but also lawsuits
that net the victims big time in court. Wish I'd been there on Mayday of 70
and been arrested too. Two of my friends got $10,000.00 and laughed all the
way to the bank. (Wear a helmet)

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 27, 2009 05:39PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Protesting doesn't really work. You could make
> change more readily and effectively voting. All
> protesting does is make yourself a big ole target
> for the po po to beat on.

Once your issue is on the ballot...or a nominee reflecting your opinion is on the ballot fine! But to get publicity..get momentum for an issue....demonstration of some type is the only way to get it there.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 27, 2009 05:51PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Protesting doesn't really work. You could make
> > change more readily and effectively voting.
> All
> > protesting does is make yourself a big ole
> target
> > for the po po to beat on.
>
> Once your issue is on the ballot...or a nominee
> reflecting your opinion is on the ballot fine!
> But to get publicity..get momentum for an
> issue....demonstration of some type is the only
> way to get it there.

or you could lobby congress and the reps that are already there.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Jerry Rubin ()
Date: May 27, 2009 06:10PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Protesting doesn't really work. You could make
> > change more readily and effectively voting.
> All
> > protesting does is make yourself a big ole
> target
> > for the po po to beat on.
>
> Once your issue is on the ballot...or a nominee
> reflecting your opinion is on the ballot fine!
> But to get publicity..get momentum for an
> issue....demonstration of some type is the only
> way to get it there.


Vince, We're still waiting for your answers to above questions.

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: § ()
Date: May 27, 2009 06:25PM

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Re: Does Protesting Make A Difference?
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 27, 2009 06:25PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> demonstration of some type is the only way to get it
> there.


money is far more effective.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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