HomeFairfax General ForumArrest/Ticket SearchWiki newPictures/VideosChatArticlesLinksAbout
Off-Topic :  Fairfax Underground fairfax underground logo
Welcome to Fairfax Underground, a project site designed to improve communication among residents of Fairfax County, VA. Feel free to post anything Northern Virginia residents would find interesting.
A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Proud Virginian ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:03PM

I've had my flag for several years. I have it because as a Virginian, it's an integral part of my heritage. But, it has become clear now that some folks are truly bothered by it. Not my heritage it represents, but the hateful acts which have been done under it. Thus, I've come to the realization that that flag is not what my forefathers died for.

They didn't die for white supremacy. They didn't die for slavery. They died for their state: Virginia. They died for their general: Robert E. Lee, who freed his slaves long before many Northerners did. No, for him it wasn't about the preservation of slavery. His fight and my forefathers fight was for their state.

So, my Virginia flag is what I will now raise up high. I fly it for my forefathers who fought not for the Confederacy and Jefferson Davis, but for Virginia and Robert E. Lee. Sic semper tyrannus and God bless America.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: UMm9D ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:11PM

You should be ashamed of yourself you pussy. Go paint your house in rainbow colors.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:13PM

You should stick it up your ass and report back.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Date: June 27, 2015 09:19PM

Well done, One that does understand the reason so many men in gray fought. Their homeland against what they saw was northern aggression.

The drone haters hate will come back to them as their too stupid to understand anything unless they see it on Tweeter Or Twadder .

TWAD: Pimply faced stupid shit drones with a squishy weak face, no chin or spine. Goes along with the crowd of assholes being "Popular" or trying hard to be as they really are not , even in their asshole crowd. Drones believe anything Democrats tell them.

IF THEY CAN'T TAKE A JOKE...I'M FUCKED!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2015 09:19PM by Double Action Jackson.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:29PM

Slavery was tyranny. The north abolished tyrants.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: e4T3K ()
Date: June 27, 2015 09:45PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Slavery was tyranny. The north abolished tyrants.


The northern industrialist tyrants just wanted the niggers for themselves so they could work in their factories for slave wages and buy their shit.

Hey, kind of like today.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Date: June 27, 2015 09:45PM

> The north abolished tyrants

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And that's of course why the Civil rights Act of 1965 "Only applied to the South" Not the entire country GASP! Because the North had no "racist Stars and Bars" flag and everyone up there loved blacks so much they paid them the highest wages, gave them the best,the most important positions in business and had them over every Sunday for Chicken dinners?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/27/2015 09:47PM by Double Action Jackson.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Charlie Daniels ()
Date: June 27, 2015 10:18PM

Take time to read and understand carpetbaggers. Interview with Charlie Daniels

I was born in 1936, a mere 71 years after the Civil War ended, when the South was looked upon by what seemed to be a majority of the Northern States as an inbred, backward, uneducated, slow-talking and slower-thinking people, with low morals and a propensity for incest.

This was in the days before television, and about all the folks up North knew about Southerners was what they heard. There were a lot of people who took great pleasure in proliferating the myth, and some still do it to this day.

As you might suppose, people in the South bitterly resented this attitude of superiority, and in some quarters the words “damn” and “Yankee” became one word. And a somewhat fierce type of Southern pride came into being.

The Confederate battle flag was a sign of defiance, a sign of pride, a declaration of a geographical area that you were proud to be from.

That’s all it is to me and all it has ever been to me.

I can’t speak for all, but I know in my heart that most Southerners feel the same way.

I have no desire to reinstate the Confederacy. I oppose slavery as vehemently as any man, and I believe that every human being, regardless of the color of their skin, is just as valuable as I am and deserves the exact same rights and advantages as I do.

I feel that this controversy desperately needs to be settled without federal interference and input from race baiters like Al Sharpton. It's up to the individual states as to what they allow to be a part of their public image. What the majority of the people of any given state want should, in my opinion, be their policy.

Unfortunately, the Confederate battle flag has been adopted by hate groups – and individuals like Dylann Roof – to supposedly represent them and their hateful view of the races.

Please believe me when I say that, to the overwhelming majority of Southerners, the flag represents no such thing, but is simply a banner denoting an area of the nation and one's pride in living there.

I know there will be those who will take these words of mine, try to twist them or call them insincere and try to make what I've said here some kind of anti-black racial statement, but I tell everybody who reads this article, I came up in the days of cruel racial prejudice and Jim Crow laws, when the courts were tilted against any black man, when the segregated educational system was inferior and when opportunities for blacks to advance were almost nonexistent.

I lived through the useless cruelty of those days and did not get my feelings out of some sensitivity class or social studies course, but made my own decisions out of experience and disgust.

I hold no ill feelings and have no axes to grind with my brothers and sisters of any color. The same God made us; the same God will judge us; and I pray that He will intervene in the deep racial divide we have in this nation and make each person – black or white – see each other for what we truly are, human beings. No better, and no worse.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: GrandCentralStation ()
Date: June 27, 2015 10:20PM

Double Action Jackson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > The north abolished tyrants
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> And that's of course why the Civil rights Act of
> 1965 "Only applied to the South" Not the entire
> country GASP! Because the North had no "racist
> Stars and Bars" flag and everyone up there loved
> blacks so much they paid them the highest wages,
> gave them the best,the most important positions in
> business and had them over every Sunday for
> Chicken dinners?

They moved them to northern states for cheap labor. How do you think NYC wound up with all those blacks? They didn't miracle themselves there.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Date: June 27, 2015 10:50PM

Of course the Civil Rights Act applied to the entire country, the way some of these people are acting those in the north never used the N word. And blacks there never were in "The Struggle" But of course as Democrats they are Hypocrites and now are on the happy P.C gutless band wagon to get rid of Confederate symbols after 150 years as they are so "Pure".

Leave the memorials of the southern people alone, you can't change history no matter how hard you try.

Yes blacks in Charlestown are upset and mad about the killings of 9 good people at the hands of a maniac who posed with a flag of the south, and they have a right to their grief, but it does not change anything and there's no relief to be had with getting rid of a memorial flag to men who fought 150 years ago as the true haters will hate on , On both sides.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Mike O'Meara Show Fan ()
Date: June 27, 2015 10:56PM

Double Action Jackson Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> > The north abolished tyrants
>

So did John Wilkes Booth, a great American hero.

> --------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------------
> And that's of course why the Civil rights Act of
> 1965 "Only applied to the South" Not the entire
> country GASP! Because the North had no "racist
> Stars and Bars" flag and everyone up there loved
> blacks so much they paid them the highest wages,
> gave them the best,the most important positions in
> business and had them over every Sunday for
> Chicken dinners?


''In the North, the Nigger's a Negro, you see he's got his dignity. Down here we're to ignorant to realize that the North has set the Nigger free.''

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Fuck Niggers ()
Date: June 27, 2015 11:17PM

'
Attachments:
ConfederateHistoryMonth2.jpg

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Cotton ()
Date: June 28, 2015 08:22AM

You have been brainwashed

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: haha. ()
Date: June 28, 2015 08:27AM

,
Attachments:
1435398353681.jpg

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: op has no spine ()
Date: June 28, 2015 09:48AM

Op contradicted himself in his subject title. If you were a proud flag owner than you would keep it. By getting rid of it shows your ashamed of it. And you stated that your getting did of it because of what people think. Do you always follow the crowd? Are you that weak? The flag was the battle flag of northern va. An army led by a man who freed his slaves in 1862. Freed because of an agreement he made with them five years prior. Are you going to trash the american flag too? There are many who are offended by it and see it as a symbol of the great satan. The Virginia flag is more offensive. It shows a guy standing over a guy he just murdered. The only flag in existence in the world that promotes violence. Political correctness is making this country spineless

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Proud Virginian ()
Date: June 28, 2015 11:12AM

op has no spine Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Op contradicted himself in his subject title. If
> you were a proud flag owner than you would keep
> it. By getting rid of it shows your ashamed of it.

Not ashamed, but rather concerned that others see it as a symbol of violence against them and would misunderstand what it symbolizes to me. Not unlike how the swastika has had it's meaning perverted. The symbol is seem by some people who follow Hinduism, Buddhism, etc. as a symbol for luck and fortune. Unfortunately, many people see it as a symbol of hate. The same has happened to the flag.

> And you stated that your getting did of it because
> of what people think. Do you always follow the
> crowd? Are you that weak? The flag was the battle
> flag of northern va.

Wrong, the Tennessee Battle Flag is the flag in question. The Army Of Northern Virginia's battle flag is square as opposed to rectangular. And, it was still just their battle flag. Not the flag of the state who's sovereignty they were fighting to protect from Northern invaders.

> Are you going to trash the american flag too? There
> are many who are offended by it and see it as a
> symbol of the great satan.

They're not my fellow Americans, I don't care what they think. And there are many in the US how see the US flag as offensive, but not nearly as many as those who see the de facto Confederate flag as such.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: WilliamT.Sherman ()
Date: June 28, 2015 04:15PM

Confederates = traitorous slavers.

That's who they were and that's what they did. They took men, women and children from Africa to the United States and put them to work against their will. They bred and sold these men, women and children. And then when the Federal government told them to stop, they took up arms against their own government.

Traitorous slavers.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: I Luv Bacon ()
Date: June 28, 2015 04:33PM

why take the time to learn history when you can just make it up
Attachments:
Fb-IWillKeepMyFlag.jpg
obama_swastika.jpg

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 04:49PM

WilliamT.Sherman Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Confederates = traitorous slavers.
>
> That's who they were and that's what they did.
> They took men, women and children from Africa to
> the United States and put them to work against
> their will. They bred and sold these men, women
> and children. And then when the Federal government
> told them to stop, they took up arms against their
> own government.
>
> Traitorous slavers.


And then hundreds of years later dumb rightards want to call that heritage.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: I Luv Bacon ()
Date: June 28, 2015 04:57PM

what?
Attachments:
Figures.png

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 05:09PM

Yeah tard and only 1.6 percent of Americans are carpenters too. They're families still facilitate carpentry. They help and manage thr family business whoever the owner. Carpentry is an accepted form of business in society as well. Society has to deem it acceptable.

Do you understand what I'm trying to explain rightard?

The.fact that 1.6 percent of people were registered slave owners is actually a very large number.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 05:16PM

1.6 percent of lets say 63 million total people in the south would mean over 1 million people where registered slave owners.

Take into account that they may have average 3-4 slaves per slave owners. The numbers were astronomical and rising.

Let me tell your dumb racist rightarded ass something that will influence you.

If slavery wasnt stopped and southern greed and brutality wasnt stopped. There would be more blacks in America today dipsgit.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: will everything confed. be baned ()
Date: June 28, 2015 05:17PM

I know there is a "Rebel Flag" brand of toilet tissue, 2 ply type, Will that be banned also? That was my favorite.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 05:18PM

And we all know you don't wish there were more blacks in America today do you? Exactly so thank the north and stfu.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Vexxxed ()
Date: June 28, 2015 08:30PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1.6 percent of lets say 63 million total people in
> the south would mean over 1 million people where
> registered slave owners.
>
> Take into account that they may have average 3-4
> slaves per slave owners. The numbers were
> astronomical and rising.
>
> Let me tell your dumb racist rightarded ass
> something that will influence you.
>
> If slavery wasnt stopped and southern greed and
> brutality wasnt stopped. There would be more
> blacks in America today dipsgit.


Gerry, you are such a complete dumbass. The pic read "of US citizens" and you changed that to just the south.

All your numbers are fucked and your rant is total bullshit.

After you've read up on your new country's history, try starting your next rant with "if the north didn't own all the slave ships, there'd be virtually NO Africans in this country." Your head might explode from telling the truth but it would be the truth.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 08:51PM

I dont think these dumb ass racists realize that if the Confederacy won there would be even more blacks in America. They're that stupid. You have to put it in black and white, excuse the pun, for them to look at something differently even when its in accordance to their backwards beliefs.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 28, 2015 09:05PM

Imagine if the south won and was able to double the slave population. Let's just say there was aparthied all the way until the 1990's. We would been a shitty country. Never would have been able to fight Hitler or the soviets would be the predominant global power today. And African Americans would out number whites and take over with the fall of aparthied like South Africa.

Being an aparthied state we may have aligned with Hitler. We would of been Nazi's maybe.

Whatever the case, you rightards have no idea what that flag would have done to the trajectory of the greatest country that world has ever seen. Yet you reject this great nation and its proud flag for a rebel flag of slavery and greed.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Date: June 28, 2015 09:11PM

Ya the south lost and now we have more Illegals in here. Is that some kind of a win?? Only for Democrat politicians, not Democrats or anyone else.

>And we all know you don't wish there were more blacks in America today

And what are you wishing for? More blacks?? Ill admit I like being with my "own people" white folk , but hey! So do blacks and anyone else, Spanish, Koreans, Eskimos, Arabs, but that does not make anyone racist. And what the hell is a "racist" Anyway? Some one that a liberal does not like? .. Ok I will agree with "What's his name Roof". But he's also a maniac and a coward to do what he did. I don't hate people but I do see things I dislike and don't agree with and so does everyone else!

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Contards are Retards ()
Date: June 28, 2015 09:15PM

I Luv Bacon Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> what?


Yeah slavery was just a minute issue back then, small problem that was gonna die out anyway. Let's just ignore that the subject of slavery dominated politics for the first 80 years of this country. It was a minor debate.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Date: June 28, 2015 10:17PM

I just figured out what a "racist" is .A person who hates others because of race, but the term has been bastardized by liberals as a "SCARE WORD". To scare people from speaking their minds on issues within the framework the founders provided us, The Bill Of Rights and the 1st Amendment when the speaker of the words is not a true hater but simply disagrees due to disgust seen occurring by others in everyday life.

IF THEY CAN'T TAKE A JOKE...I'M FUCKED!

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:04PM

Proud Virginian Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I've had my flag for several years. I have it
> because as a Virginian, it's an integral part of
> my heritage.

What other customs or traditions specific to your Virginian heritage do you participate in?

I hear the "heritage" defense everywhere, but I think people are confusing "heritage" and "history." For example: the Holocaust is not Jewish heritage, because you don't see them walking around with yellow Stars of David. It's a part of Jewish history. Jewish heritage would be coming from a Jewish family, observing Jewish holidays, eating Jewish food, etc.

So, if it's your heritage, what else is as important as this flag to you?

--------------------------------------------------------------
13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:19PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah tard and only 1.6 percent of Americans are
> carpenters too. They're families still facilitate
> carpentry. They help and manage thr family
> business whoever the owner. Carpentry is an
> accepted form of business in society as well.
> Society has to deem it acceptable.
>
> Do you understand what I'm trying to explain
> rightard?
>
> The.fact that 1.6 percent of people were
> registered slave owners is actually a very large
> number.


Just so we understand each other Gerry. You are saying that 1.6 percent of a specific population is a large number. Ok, that's cool. We'll go with your logic.

28.75% of the black population is on welfare. That's a huge number vs 5.13% of the white population.

Ok Gerry, go ahead and tell me how 1.6% of a population is a very large number but 28.75% of a population is somehow not a large number.

29 million people are on welfare
- 39% white: 11,661,000
- 38% black: 11,362,000

According to en.wikipedia.org
- US population: 313,544,041
- White: 72.4%: 227,005,885
- Black: 12.6%: 39,506,549

Math:

Whites: 11.661,000 / 227,005,885 * 100 = 5.13%
Blacks: 11,362,000 / 39,506,549 * 100 = 28.75%

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:26PM

Yeah, but you're missing the point. I'm trying to debate you in racist terms. If slavery wasn't abolished by the North and the greedy confederacy wasn't put down. That 11 million you speak of would be 30, 40 or 50 million.

If you hate blacks why do you support the flag that wanted to keep importing them which is the reason they are here today?



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/29/2015 07:27PM by Gerrymanderer2.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerry is Butthurt ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:26PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1.6 percent of lets say 63 million total people in
> the south would mean over 1 million people where
> registered slave owners.
>
> Take into account that they may have average 3-4
> slaves per slave owners. The numbers were
> astronomical and rising.


WRONG...again

Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That's right: a tiny percentage.

In fact, the overwhelming percentage of the African slaves were shipped directly to the Caribbean and South America; Brazil received 4.86 million Africans alone! Some scholars estimate that another 60,000 to 70,000 Africans ended up in the United States after touching down in the Caribbean first, so that would bring the total to approximately 450,000 Africans who arrived in the United States over the course of the slave trade.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:28PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah, but you're missing the point. I'm trying to
> debate you in racist terms. If slavery wasn't
> abolished by the North and the greedy confederacy
> wasn't put down. That 11 million you speak of
> would be 30, 40 or 50 million.
>
> If you hate blacks why do you support the flag
> that wanted to keep importing them which is the
> reason they are here today?

That's dumb. I don't hate blacks. I'm just showing you FACTS which prove your argument to be incorrect.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:30PM

Yeah well that 338,000 is 40 million today. You tards hate them and fly the flag that fought to keep bringing them in. Makes a lot of sense, you bunch.

The history was racist that's why you promote it but it was counterproductive to white supremacy and exclusivity.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/29/2015 07:32PM by Gerrymanderer2.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:31PM

How do you make the argument that blacks are disproportionately welfare cases per capita their demographic but then say you got nothing against blacks. lol. The point of those facts is to belittle blacks as a group.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:35PM

If the Confederacy had won the United States would have no longer been a white majority country decades ago. You can thank the north for saving you from yourselves.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:35PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yeah well that 338,000 is 40 million today. You
> tards hate them and fly the flag that fought to
> keep bringing them in. Makes a lot of sense, you
> bunch.
>
> The history was racist do you promote it but iy
> was counterproductive to racial purity.

Tard? You're being a little mean. I never said I hate blacks. You have been brainwashed into thinking that Republicans hate blacks. I think people who lean right just want to work, live, and not be forced to pay for something they had no part in. Everyone knows that slavery was bad. Banning a flag sure isn't going to get rid of racism...from either side. Keep in mind Gerry that there are plenty of racist blacks out there too. They have no reason to hate the large majority of whites. But they do...because the left keeps fanning the flames and telling blacks that the white guy is holding them back. It's an unfair characterization. It's rude. It's offensive. And I wish there were a way to BAN that attitude.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: red dot sale ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:35PM

Superman gave Gerry his red dot when he got a but on his forehead

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:36PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> How do you make the argument that blacks are
> disproportionately welfare cases per capita their
> demographic but then say you got nothing against
> blacks. lol. The point of those facts is to
> belittle blacks as a group.

No. The point was to show you that 1.6% is not that big of a number ;)

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: praying to my cow ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:38PM

Lib-turd motto
Freedom is the ability for us to tell you how to think under penalty of law

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:39PM

praying to my cow Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Lib-turd motto
> Freedom is the ability for us to tell you how to
> think under penalty of law

Instead of hating on Gerry, I'm actually trying to have a civil discussion (for once)

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:40PM

1.6 as slave OWNERS. Ownership is always represented small.

Of the restaurant food industry of 50 million Americans 0.5 percent are owners. 50 million Americans still work in that industry.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:41PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1.6 as slave OWNERS. Ownership is always
> represented small.
>
> Of the restaurant food industry of 50 million
> Americans 0.5 percent are owners. 50 million
> Americans still work in that industry.

Gerry, did you read THIS?

Between 1525 and 1866 (that's more than 300 years), in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:42PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 1.6 as slave OWNERS. Ownership is always
> represented small.
>
> Of the restaurant food industry of 50 million
> Americans 0.5 percent are owners. 50 million
> Americans still work in that industry.

388,000 slaves in more than 300 years

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:45PM

I need the specific numbers of total population in slave owning areas to make an assessment on how much slavery took place per person or owner.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: history is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:46PM

Reposting the history lesson for comprehension purposes:

Between 1525 and 1866, in the entire history of the slave trade to the New World, according to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade Database, 12.5 million Africans were shipped to the New World. 10.7 million survived the dreaded Middle Passage, disembarking in North America, the Caribbean and South America.

And how many of these 10.7 million Africans were shipped directly to North America? Only about 388,000. That's right: a tiny percentage.

In fact, the overwhelming percentage of the African slaves were shipped directly to the Caribbean and South America; Brazil received 4.86 million Africans alone! Some scholars estimate that another 60,000 to 70,000 Africans ended up in the United States after touching down in the Caribbean first, so that would bring the total to approximately 450,000 Africans who arrived in the United States over the course of the slave trade.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:50PM

The simple slave count difference is irrelevant without factoring the historical reasoning for it. The point still escapes me since any amount of slavery was wrong.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:51PM

If the point is we weren't as bad as others. We used less slaves. My answer is two wrongs don't make a right.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:55PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I need the specific numbers of total population in
> slave owning areas to make an assessment on how
> much slavery took place per person or owner.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross/history/how-many-slaves-landed-in-the-us/

---------

http://www.africanamerica.org/topic/did-black-people-own-slaves

In a fascinating essay reviewing this controversy, R. Halliburton shows that free black people have owned slaves "in each of the thirteen original states and later in every state that countenanced slavery," at least since Anthony Johnson and his wife Mary went to court in Virginia in 1654 to obtain the services of their indentured servant, a black man, John Castor, for life.

And for a time, free black people could even "own" the services of white indentured servants in Virginia as well. Free blacks owned slaves in Boston by 1724 and in Connecticut by 1783; by 1790, 48 black people in Maryland owned 143 slaves. One particularly notorious black Maryland farmer named Nat Butler "regularly purchased and sold Negroes for the Southern trade," Halliburton wrote.

-----------------

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100430231028AA1E4dp

Some eight million whites lived in the slaveholding states.
As of 1850 only 26 percent of Southern white families owned slaves
The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

---------------

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4p2956.html

The standard image of Southern slavery is that of a large plantation with hundreds of slaves. In fact, such situations were rare. Fully 3/4 of Southern whites did not even own slaves; of those who did, 88% owned twenty or fewer.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:58PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> If the point is we weren't as bad as others. We
> used less slaves. My answer is two wrongs don't
> make a right.

I don't disagree. But I also feel it's been blown out of proportion. People seem to think that the US was the slave country and that whites owned blacks. Both are incorrect. The US was not as bad as other countries and blacks in the US owned slaves too. Again, not a reason to say it was ok. But just putting things in perspective. I posted links for you to read if you care to learn a little bit about real US history. I assume PBS is a reliable source. ;)

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 07:59PM

4.8 percent of southern whites. Damn, and you're saying that was minimal? There isn't a single profession today with that much percentage of the population.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:03PM

Damn, it was big business back then. No wonder they took up arms. It was the livelihood of the south.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:04PM

4.8 percent and 388000 slaves. That means there couldn't have been more than 8 million southern whites at the time.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:04PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 4.8 percent of southern whites. Damn, and you're
> saying that was minimal? There isn't a single
> profession today with that much percentage of the
> population.

Gerry, look at the time frame. In 300 (three hundred) years of slavery. AGAIN, I'm not saying any of it was ethical. I'm just saying that history is far better than the image that has been portrayed.

I can't say anything else.

It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.
Mark Twain

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:07PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> 4.8 percent and 388000 slaves. That means there
> couldn't have been more than 8 million southern
> whites at the time.

Yes true

Some eight million whites lived in the slaveholding states.
As of 1850 only 26 percent of Southern white families owned slaves
The census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, (Even if all slaveholders had been white) (Even if all slaveholders had been white) (Even if all slaveholders had been white) that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:08PM

I understand your point. And I understand the times were different. And I understand humanities history with imposing slavery and servitude historically and even today.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:09PM

The Confederacy was still treason and shouldn't be celebrated.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: math is your frenemy ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:10PM

Gerrymanderer2 Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> And I understand humanities
> history with imposing slavery and servitude
> historically and even today.

Even today. Ain't that the truth.

Anyway, I gotta jet. Good having a normal discourse with you.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: Gerrymanderer2 ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:12PM

Indeed.

Options: ReplyQuote
Re: A Proud Confederate Flag Owner: Who's Getting Rid Of It
Posted by: LockedAndLoaded ()
Date: June 29, 2015 08:51PM

Good chat

Options: ReplyQuote


Your Name: 
Your Email (Optional): 
Subject: 
Attach a file
  • No file can be larger than 75 MB
  • All files together cannot be larger than 300 MB
  • 30 more file(s) can be attached to this message
Spam prevention:
Please, enter the code that you see below in the input field. This is for blocking bots that try to post this form automatically.
 **     **   *******   **     **   ******    *******  
 **     **  **     **   **   **   **    **  **     ** 
 **     **  **           ** **    **        **        
 **     **  ********      ***     **        ********  
  **   **   **     **    ** **    **        **     ** 
   ** **    **     **   **   **   **    **  **     ** 
    ***      *******   **     **   ******    *******  
This forum powered by Phorum.