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Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 17, 2009 11:14PM

It seems as if this country may be going the way of other authoritarian governments by eliminating a women's reproductive rights. I find it ironic that a conservative icon like Sarah Palin can get on TV and say how proud she was when her daughter chose to keep her child...and that she herself thought about her choices when she found out her aby wouldhave Downs Syndrome...but that she would take that choice away from other women.

It is certain that the Supreme Court alone has the power to preserve this most basic right that women fought long and hard for.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_re_us/us_abortion_poll

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 17, 2009 11:20PM

Just as someone used FUD (fear uncertainty and doubt) in another thread, this applies to you too; You do love to be sensational Vince.



Maybe if abortion had been legal in the 1950s, there would be one less retard named Vince on the internet; you should have been sucked out with an industrial vaccum.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2009 11:21PM by Furfur.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 18, 2009 12:21AM

seriously, you believe a poll that has such varied data? it's bullshit because it has such a small group they are polling.

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this thread is
FUD
.


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 18, 2009 01:30AM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2012 11:43PM by Alias.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 07:01AM

Correct..rights are rights! And the idea that afew human cells constitute a human life with all the rights and privleges under the Constitution is ridiculous.

Alias Wrote:
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> Vince wrote:
>
> "It seems as if this country may be going the way
> of other authoritarian governments by eliminating
> a women's reproductive rights."
> ______________
> Are you referring to China where there is a one
> child only law and female babies are thrown in the
> garbage?

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Junes ()
Date: May 18, 2009 07:22AM

Too bad no one can convince illegal aliens to exercise the legal right to abortion. Oh wait, that won't work, they are really Republicans in disguise.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: May 18, 2009 07:52AM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> And the idea that
> afew human cells constitute a human life with all
> the rights and privleges under the Constitution is
> ridiculous.

You should then at least be in support of moving back the legal abortion gestational stage to 22 weeks or earlier, as premature births as early as 21 weeks and a few days have developed to healthy adults. The current 26 weeks goes way into the modern viability period and well into fetal pain development.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:18AM

I protect the rights of women with my gun.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:23AM

conVince Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > And the idea that
> > afew human cells constitute a human life with
> all
> > the rights and privleges under the Constitution
> is
> > ridiculous.
>
> You should then at least be in support of moving
> back the legal abortion gestational stage to 22
> weeks or earlier, as premature births as early as
> 21 weeks and a few days have developed to healthy
> adults. The current 26 weeks goes way into the
> modern viability period and well into fetal pain
> development.


I admit to being a little extreme on this issue...but here is my opinion. I think the standard of "life" should be the same during the entry process as it is on the exit process..that is to say...I believe a person has the right to die when their life cannot be sustained without extreme or unusual medical intervention. Extreme or unusual means no resustitation...no tubes shoved down your throat...nothing forcing you heart to beat or your lungs to breathe. Same on your way in.

If I knew 100% that the timeframe for abortion on demand would never be contested prior to 21 weeks..except that abortion for the health and safety of the mother as well rape and incest cases would be on demand. Id take the deal.



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 18, 2009 09:28AM

Junes Wrote:
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> Too bad no one can convince illegal aliens to
> exercise the legal right to abortion. Oh wait,
> that won't work, they are really Republicans in
> disguise.


file.php?40,file=3517Vince(1) Wrote:
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> I believe a person has the right to
> die when their life cannot be sustained without
> extreme or unusual medical intervention. Extreme
> or unusual means no resustitation...no tubes
> shoved down your throat...nothing forcing you
> heart to beat or your lungs to breathe.


are you implying that a premature birth is an attempt at suicide?


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:01AM

> > or unusual means no resustitation...no tubes
> > shoved down your throat...nothing forcing you
> > heart to beat or your lungs to breathe.
>
> are you implying that a premature birth is an
> attempt at suicide?

No I m merely suggesting that the current state of medical care for a wanted premature baby not be used to decide when another female is allowed to have an abortion. This year..medical science can save prematures at 21 weeks..next week...19 weeks...it's a moving target. I suppose some day babies may be gestated in a pod...e.g. as in the Matrix...so at that there would be no such thing as a non-viable premature baby.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 12:51PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Correct..rights are rights! And the idea that
> afew human cells constitute a human life with all
> the rights and privleges under the Constitution is
> ridiculous.
>
>
Those few human cells have the potential to become a human. Following the normal course of nature. Thats the debate. Not the cells themselves.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 12:56PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Correct..rights are rights! And the idea that
> > afew human cells constitute a human life with
> all
> > the rights and privleges under the Constitution
> is
> > ridiculous.
> >
> >
> Those few human cells have the potential to become
> a human. Following the normal course of nature.
> Thats the debate. Not the cells themselves.


You framed the issue perfectly..."potential" human life is not human life. Even under the constitution...all men are entitled to "life" not "potential life". Thank you I couldnt have said it better.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: conVince ()
Date: May 18, 2009 12:59PM

> I think the standard of "life" should be the same during the entry
> process as it is on the exit process..that is to say...I believe a
> person has the right to die when their life cannot be sustained
> without extreme or unusual medical intervention. Extreme or unusual
> means no resustitation...no tubes shoved down your throat...nothing
> forcing you heart to beat or your lungs to breathe. Same on your
> way in.

It should be legal for a woman to order the death of a newborn with a birth defect that is normally treatable, but without treatment would result in death, on the basis of abortion rights? The mother declares the newborn's choice of right to die?

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 01:10PM

Im not sure what your questions are.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 01:13PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > Correct..rights are rights! And the idea
> that
> > > afew human cells constitute a human life with
> > all
> > > the rights and privleges under the
> Constitution
> > is
> > > ridiculous.
> > >
> > >
> > Those few human cells have the potential to
> become
> > a human. Following the normal course of nature.
>
> > Thats the debate. Not the cells themselves.
>
>
> You framed the issue perfectly..."potential" human
> life is not human life. Even under the
> constitution...all men are entitled to "life" not
> "potential life". Thank you I couldnt have said
> it be

The Potential is still there to become a human but that freedom for growth into life would be taken away by outside forces. IE the mother. The mother's choice ends when She lays down and proceeds to pursue happiness through intercourse. If she ends up with a baby then that baby should be allowed to come to term and pursue its own happiness Ie LIFE.



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:07PM

I think a woman should have the right to an abortion up to the point where the fetus can live outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life. A group of cells lumped together is not life.

The "potential" for life argument is bullshit. Technically, each sperm and each egg has the potential for life. Masturbation is abortion if we're discussing potentials, not actualities. Every time a woman's body drops an egg, it's abortion if she doesn't get pregnant.

Furthermore, I believe that only women should have the right to vote on this topic. Men might have a say in it in a relationship, but at the end of the day, it is ultimately a woman's decision to go through the process. Who am I to make a decision about something I will never experience?

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:14PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I think a woman should have the right to an
> abortion up to the point where the fetus can live
> outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life. A
> group of cells lumped together is not life.
>
> The "potential" for life argument is bullshit.
> Technically, each sperm and each egg has the
> potential for life. Masturbation is abortion if
> we're discussing potentials, not actualities.
> Every time a woman's body drops an egg, it's
> abortion if she doesn't get pregnant.
>
> Furthermore, I believe that only women should have
> the right to vote on this topic. Men might have a
> say in it in a relationship, but at the end of the
> day, it is ultimately a woman's decision to go
> through the process. Who am I to make a decision
> about something I will never experience?


because you have the potential to become a father and get hit with Child support. Thus my argument that this choice shit begins and ends when dick is inserted in Vagina and sperm spews forth and sperm meets egg and creates life. END of choice. If you cant do the 18 years time dont do the crime.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: WhyUWant2RapeMe ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:20PM

I totally agree as long as we can make decisions on the other side.

If an old person (or a whole group of them in a hospital) cannot live unassisted (oxygen tank, blood pressure medications, etc) then we as a society should be able to say "look, the taxpayer dollars put to the last year of life is 30% of Medicare and we should be able to stop that." That way we can save money.

Because as a society with our medical advances, if we have the ability to sustain life we should mistake that for the obligation to do so. leave that shit to the religious people, I want my dollars protected and I have the right as a taxpayer to order the withdrawal of medications and treatment on those old people. Or at least withdraw public funding.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:27PM

WhyUWant2RapeMe Wrote:
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> I totally agree as long as we can make decisions
> on the other side.
>
> If an old person (or a whole group of them in a
> hospital) cannot live unassisted (oxygen tank,
> blood pressure medications, etc) then we as a
> society should be able to say "look, the taxpayer
> dollars put to the last year of life is 30% of
> Medicare and we should be able to stop that."
> That way we can save money.
>
> Because as a society with our medical advances, if
> we have the ability to sustain life we should
> mistake that for the obligation to do so. leave
> that shit to the religious people, I want my
> dollars protected and I have the right as a
> taxpayer to order the withdrawal of medications
> and treatment on those old people. Or at least
> withdraw public funding.


When the time comes I want to be the person to pull your plug and feeding tubes away.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Date: May 18, 2009 02:31PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It seems as if this country may be going the way
> of other authoritarian governments by eliminating
> a women's reproductive rights. I find it ironic
> that a conservative icon like Sarah Palin can get
> on TV and say how proud she was when her daughter
> chose to keep her child...and that she herself
> thought about her choices when she found out her
> aby wouldhave Downs Syndrome...but that she would
> take that choice away from other women.
>
> It is certain that the Supreme Court alone has the
> power to preserve this most basic right that women
> fought long and hard for.
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_re_us/us
> _abortion_poll


If Roe V. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there would be nothing to prevent more liberal states from passing laws allowing abortion at the State Level. But it won't be overturned tomorrow.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:38PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> because you have the potential to become a father
> and get hit with Child support.
> Thus my argument
> that this choice shit begins and ends when dick is
> inserted in Vagina and sperm spews forth and sperm
> meets egg and creates life. END of choice. If you
> cant do the 18 years time dont do the crime.

What you're talking about is "personal accountability," which I agree is horribly lacking in this country.

Rape, incest, genetic defects, and all the "legitimate" reasons to get an abortion should not be overshadowed by people who use it as a form of birth control.

Finally, I would MUCH rather see a lot of clean, safe abortions instead of a bunch of bastard children who are more than likely going to grow up and be a drain on society. If there weren't already 6 billion people on the planet, I would feel differently.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:39PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> It seems as if this country may be going the way
> of other authoritarian governments by eliminating
> a women's reproductive rights.

authoritarian governments arent ruled by elected officials. The US government is ruled by ELECTED officials. Voters elect our officials, some of whom vote for officials to represent a woman's right to choose or to outlaw abortion. We do NOT live under an authoritarian government.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:48PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It seems as if this country may be going the
> way
> > of other authoritarian governments by
> eliminating
> > a women's reproductive rights.
>
> authoritarian governments arent ruled by elected
> officials. The US government is ruled by ELECTED
> officials. Voters elect our officials, some of
> whom vote for officials to represent a woman's
> right to choose or to outlaw abortion. We do NOT
> live under an authoritarian government.


Any government that takes away a women's reproductive freedom is authoritarian. Democracies in their purest form are nothing more then the supression of the mnority by the majority.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:49PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> Judge Crater Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > because you have the potential to become a
> father
> > and get hit with Child support.
> > Thus my argument
> > that this choice shit begins and ends when dick
> is
> > inserted in Vagina and sperm spews forth and
> sperm
> > meets egg and creates life. END of choice. If
> you
> > cant do the 18 years time dont do the crime.
>
> What you're talking about is "personal
> accountability," which I agree is horribly lacking
> in this country.
>
> Rape, incest, genetic defects, and all the
> "legitimate" reasons to get an abortion should not
> be overshadowed by people who use it as a form of
> birth control.
>
> Finally, I would MUCH rather see a lot of clean,
> safe abortions instead of a bunch of bastard
> children who are more than likely going to grow up
> and be a drain on society. If there weren't
> already 6 billion people on the planet, I would
> feel differently.

OMG!!!!!! We agree on something.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: oaktonmom ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:50PM

GASP

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:51PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-
>
> Any government that takes away a women's
> reproductive freedom is authoritarian.
> Democracies in their purest form are nothing more
> then the supression of the mnority by the
> majority.


Yes and the US is NOT a pure democracy. The Founding fathers also stated they were helping protect the minority from the tyrany of the majority. Much like the England they had fled.

Oaktanmom, Can I make a house call?



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:51PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > It seems as if this country may be going the
> way
> > of other authoritarian governments by
> eliminating
> > a women's reproductive rights. I find it
> ironic
> > that a conservative icon like Sarah Palin can
> get
> > on TV and say how proud she was when her
> daughter
> > chose to keep her child...and that she herself
> > thought about her choices when she found out
> her
> > aby wouldhave Downs Syndrome...but that she
> would
> > take that choice away from other women.
> >
> > It is certain that the Supreme Court alone has
> the
> > power to preserve this most basic right that
> women
> > fought long and hard for.
> >
> >
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090515/ap_on_re_us/us
>
> > _abortion_poll
>
>
> If Roe V. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there
> would be nothing to prevent more liberal states
> from passing laws allowing abortion at the State
> Level. But it won't be overturned tomorrow.


That just isnt true. You think the religious right having won a MAJOR defeat to a women's right to privacy will stop there? No way....

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 02:55PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> -
> >
> > Any government that takes away a women's
> > reproductive freedom is authoritarian.
> > Democracies in their purest form are nothing
> more
> > then the supression of the mnority by the
> > majority.
>
>
> Yes and the US is NOT a pure democracy. The
> Founding fathers also stated they were helping
> protect the minority from the tyrany of the
> majority. Much like the England they had fled.
>
> Oaktanmom, Can I make a house call?


Correct...but you said any elected govt could not be authoritarain..that just isnt true. An elected gove that doesnt respect the rights of the minority...a govt not dedicated to upholding the rights of the minority to be unalianably true certainly can be authoritarian.

Making a women have a baby she doesnt want..is authoritarian.

Adolf Hitler was elected into office.



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Date: May 18, 2009 03:07PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
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> >
> >
> > If Roe V. Wade were overturned tomorrow, there
> > would be nothing to prevent more liberal states
> > from passing laws allowing abortion at the
> State
> > Level. But it won't be overturned tomorrow.
>
>
> That just isnt true. You think the religious
> right having won a MAJOR defeat to a women's right
> to privacy will stop there? No way....


The only way the Christian Right can accomplish something that threatens abortion on the state level is for the Supreme Court to determine abortion at any level is murder. Even Scalia won't go that far, saying that the Constitution protects "persons" and that you aren't "a person" until you are born.



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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 03:12PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
-
>
> Adolf Hitler was elected into office.


Good thing Adolf Hitler wasnt aborted then, Or you wouldnt have him as the be all and end all argument gap fill in.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: TheMeeper ()
Date: May 18, 2009 03:37PM

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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> -
> >
> > Adolf Hitler was elected into office.



Hitler was actually appointed Chancellor of Germany as part of a political power-sharing agreement, not thru democratic elections.




Obligatory on-topic post: women should have the right to choose and religious pro-life people should go fuck themselves.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 18, 2009 04:24PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> I think a woman should have the right to an
> abortion up to the point where the fetus can live
> outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life.


im going with when there is synaptic brain activity, it stops being a lump of cells and is alive. when a person has no synaptic brain activity they are not alive. even the pope defined death that way, so i think it can be applied to life.

that's my two gold bars. (pff... you people and your puny two cents.)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Date: May 18, 2009 04:29PM

TheMeeper Wrote:
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> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Vince(1) Wrote:
> > -
> > >
> > > Adolf Hitler was elected into office.
>
>
>
> Hitler was actually appointed Chancellor of
> Germany as part of a political power-sharing
> agreement, not thru democratic elections.
>
>
>
Yes, but Nazis garnered enough votes in the Parliamentary process to force Hindenburg to deal with Hitler, so technically the Democratic process played a role.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 04:41PM

WashingTone Locian Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
>
> > >
> > >
> > > If Roe V. Wade were overturned tomorrow,
> there
> > > would be nothing to prevent more liberal
> states
> > > from passing laws allowing abortion at the
> > State
> > > Level. But it won't be overturned tomorrow.
> >
> >
> > That just isnt true. You think the religious
> > right having won a MAJOR defeat to a women's
> right
> > to privacy will stop there? No way....
>
>
> The only way the Christian Right can accomplish
> something that threatens abortion on the state
> level is for the Supreme Court to determine
> abortion at any level is murder. Even Scalia won't
> go that far, saying that the Constitution protects
> "persons" and that you aren't "a person" until you
> are born.


I think you underestimate the impact of overturning Roe vs Wade...a little dated but still applicable

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/26/AR2008092602833.html

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 18, 2009 04:46PM

I believe in partial-birth abortions...sometimes birth defects/genetic disorders are not seen until the last minute. Cerebral palsy, Down's Syndrome,Fetal Alcohol, etc. It is much more humane to abort these infants than it is to have them live.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 04:54PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> I believe in partial-birth abortions...sometimes
> birth defects/genetic disorders are not seen until
> the last minute. Cerebral palsy, Down's
> Syndrome,Fetal Alcohol, etc. It is much more
> humane to abort these infants than it is to have
> them live.

Well...while partial birth abortions garnish little support..I do think it was a travesty that the law outlawing them didnt even give the health of the mother as a reason to have one. The government should never inject itself between you and your doctor.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:06PM

Vince(1) Wrote:
I find it ironic
> that a conservative icon like Sarah Palin can get
> on TV and say how proud she was when her daughter
> chose to keep her child...and that she herself
> thought about her choices when she found out her
> aby wouldhave Downs Syndrome...but that she would
> take that choice away from other women.
>

yes it was a test if faith and she stayed true to her faith when she found out the baby was down syndrome positive and kept the child. There is no irony unless she aborted the child, which she did not.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:11PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think a woman should have the right to an
> > abortion up to the point where the fetus can
> live
> > outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life.
>
> im going with when there is synaptic brain
> activity, it stops being a lump of cells and is
> alive. when a person has no synaptic brain
> activity they are not alive. even the pope defined
> death that way, so i think it can be applied to
> life.
>
> that's my two gold bars. (pff... you people and
> your puny two cents.)

I wouldn't go by that standard. Half of the people on this board are a pretty good indicator that lots of people walk around with absolutely no brain activity.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:25PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
-------------------------------------------------------
> I think a woman should have the right to an
> abortion up to the point where the fetus can live
> outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life. A
> group of cells lumped together is not life.
>
> The "potential" for life argument is bullshit.
> Technically, each sperm and each egg has the
> potential for life. Masturbation is abortion if
> we're discussing potentials, not actualities.
> Every time a woman's body drops an egg, it's
> abortion if she doesn't get pregnant.
>
> Furthermore, I believe that only women should have
> the right to vote on this topic. Men might have a
> say in it in a relationship, but at the end of the
> day, it is ultimately a woman's decision to go
> through the process. Who am I to make a decision
> about something I will never experience?


Agreed! I'm pro-life for MYSELF, but believe that every woman should be able to make their own decision. It's a hard choice to make, but sometimes it's the best choice. These religious nuts need to shut their hole. They aren't going to financially or emotionally support the mother or child, so they have no right to dictate what she chooses to do.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Gravis ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:28PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Half of the
> people on this board are a pretty good indicator
> that lots of people walk around with absolutely no
> brain activity.


touche! ("too shay?" LOL)


"the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish."095042938540

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:36PM

I've gotta a question to ask...why does it seem the poorer the family, the more children they have? Everyday I pass bus stops with mothers that have three or four children.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: MrMephisto ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:37PM

Because they don't have money to spend on entertainment, and fucking is free.

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13 4826 0948 82695 25847. Yes.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:39PM

MrMephisto Wrote:
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> Because they don't have money to spend on
> entertainment, and fucking is free.


Too bad the offspring aint.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:42PM

Furfur Wrote:
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> I've gotta a question to ask...why does it seem
> the poorer the family, the more children they
> have? Everyday I pass bus stops with mothers that
> have three or four children.

Besides lack of entertainment...for people with little savings...children are the ultimate old age insurance policy. The more you have the more likely it is someone will be able to take care of you in old age.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Melissa ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:43PM

Government Cheese!
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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 05:50PM

Gravis Wrote:
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> MrMephisto Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > I think a woman should have the right to an
> > abortion up to the point where the fetus can
> live
> > outside of the womb, unassisted. That is life.
>
> im going with when there is synaptic brain
> activity, it stops being a lump of cells and is
> alive. when a person has no synaptic brain
> activity they are not alive. even the pope defined
> death that way, so i think it can be applied to
> life.
>
> that's my two gold bars. (pff... you people and
> your puny two cents.)


Synaptic brain activity begins between 5-6 weeks after conception...way too early in the process. The fact is no one knows exactly when life begins or ends. It's all a matter of opinion...some more educated opinions then others...but still opinions.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Judge Crater ()
Date: May 18, 2009 06:01PM

Vince(1) Wrote:

>
> Besides lack of entertainment...for people with
> little savings...children are the ultimate old age
> insurance policy. The more you have the more
> likely it is someone will be able to take care of
> you in old age.


I wish yours would wheel you away from the keyboard. I rue the day you got that free AOL disk in the mail.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 06:55PM

Judge Crater Wrote:
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> Vince(1) Wrote:
>
> >
> > Besides lack of entertainment...for people with
> > little savings...children are the ultimate old
> age
> > insurance policy. The more you have the more
> > likely it is someone will be able to take care
> of
> > you in old age.
>
>
> I wish yours would wheel you away from the
> keyboard. I rue the day you got that free AOL
> disk in the mail.


Im glad someone realizes I dont pay for AOL.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 18, 2009 07:00PM

No you dumb fuck. That just means you got the installation disc for free. Monthly charges are not included. Dumbass

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: twotimemom ()
Date: May 18, 2009 10:04PM

My views on this issue have changed drastically since I was a raging liberal in college. I was outraged that "men" could dictate what choice I might have. After twenty years and two trouble free, amazing pregnancies, I believe that there are definitely situations that warrant abortion, but it absolutely should not be used as birth control. And late term abortions should occur only in certain situations. Having run the gamut of opinions on this, I really do understand all the positions. Unless you have experienced a sonogram and witnessed the heartbeat and tiny limbs that exist pre-late term, it is tough for you to argue when life begins.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 18, 2009 11:00PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2012 11:36PM by Alias.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Furfur ()
Date: May 18, 2009 11:07PM

The same reason I know you are a total fucking faggot.

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Vince(1) ()
Date: May 18, 2009 11:09PM

twotimemom Wrote:
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> My views on this issue have changed drastically
> since I was a raging liberal in college. I was
> outraged that "men" could dictate what choice I
> might have. After twenty years and two trouble
> free, amazing pregnancies, I believe that there
> are definitely situations that warrant abortion,
> but it absolutely should not be used as birth
> control. And late term abortions should occur only
> in certain situations. Having run the gamut of
> opinions on this, I really do understand all the
> positions. Unless you have experienced a sonogram
> and witnessed the heartbeat and tiny limbs that
> exist pre-late term, it is tough for you to argue
> when life begins.

Well stated by a women who had two children when she ready, willing and able to raise them! I too have 2 daughters...and there is nothing I will fight for more then their right to control their bodies...their reproductive rights. Lots of things "shouldn't happen" in this world...however that is no reason to restrict or criminalize the act.

P.S. I bet you had boys!

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Re: Reproductive Freedom
Posted by: Alias ()
Date: May 18, 2009 11:33PM

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/28/2012 11:35PM by Alias.

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