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Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Expert historian ()
Date: June 15, 2015 11:14PM

When Colonel Sanders (of KFC fame) served in the Confederate army, in which battles did he partake?

I know he was wounded at Chancellersville, but was he present at Gettysburg?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Experter Historian ()
Date: June 15, 2015 11:44PM

His wound at Chancellorsville was only superficial, and he was back in the saddle at Gettysburg. He fought bravely in Longstreet's Corp. and survived Pickett's Charge.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: All true, all true ()
Date: June 15, 2015 11:50PM

It was, in fact, Pickett who inspired Sanders' future as a retauranteur.

Realizing the South was defeated, as Pickett and Sanders trudged away from the battlefield, they began contemplating life without slaves. Pickett rhapsodized about the wonderful fried chicken his slave girl, 'Mamie', made, and how hard it would be to get along without.

Harlan suggeted that Pickett himself could learn to fry chicken. Pickett just shook his head in wonder and amusement; 'Imagine - a white man cooking fried chicken! Wouldn't that just beat all!'

But Harlan put his head to the problem, and the rest is history. Harlan opened up his first chicken stand, and some accounts indicate that Pickett occasionally worked there as a cashier...

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: And A Footnote ()
Date: June 15, 2015 11:58PM

Remember, because Kentucky was a Union slave state, the people there held their slaves until well after the Confederacy surrendered. So Col. Sanders went home to Kentucky and worked his salves round the clock to get his restaurant off the ground. And that right thar is the truth!

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Chucker Reynold ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:00AM

He developed his original recipe when his wife suggested he fry the chicken in negro bath water at the end of they month before the slave owners dumped it out. It saved him time from having to go and find oil from the slaughterhouses, and it cooked the chicken much faster and provided the flavoring we all enjoy today.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: True enough ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:01AM

He pioneered the business moddle that has served the fast food industry well to this very day. (If he were still alive, I promise you, this $15 min wage buisness would cause him to start another Civil War.)

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: That's just gross ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:06AM

Chucker Reynold Wrote:
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> He developed his original recipe when his wife
> suggested he fry the chicken in negro bath water
> at the end of they month before the slave owners
> dumped it out. It saved him time from having to go
> and find oil from the slaughterhouses, and it
> cooked the chicken much faster and provided the
> flavoring we all enjoy today.


The falvoring was a modification of the spice mixture RE Lee always had on his morning grits.

Fun Fact - the day of Pickett's charge, Lee's cook was sick, so a substitute cook was called in. The sub put too much spice on the grits, but Lee was too proud to admit they were too hot for him. His resulting indigestion distracted him, causing the rebs to lose the campaign.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Legend Has It ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:12AM

Legend also has it that Col. Sander approached Lee about lending his name to the enterprise. But Sanders also wanted a $100,000 investment from Lee, and Lee just wasn't convinced that chicken seasoned with negro bath water would prove to be a successful recipe. Lee always regretted his decision.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: The cole slaw was significant ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:17AM

Sanders wanted to infiltrate the Northerners' diets with Southern Cuisine, in a long term effor to sway their cultural sensibilities.

He WAS going to inlcude chitlins and/or grits in his now legendary box lunches, but Gen Longstreet advised that this would be way too obvious.'Hell, Harland', he rumbled, 'even a stupid Yankee's gonna know you're feeding him Southern grub when he seees pig guts in there.'

So, they decided a nice, Southern cole slaw would be much more subtle, and therefore more effective in the long term.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: They did NOT use nego bath water ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:22AM

Legend Has It Wrote:
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> Legend also has it that Col. Sander approached Lee
> about lending his name to the enterprise. But
> Sanders also wanted a $100,000 investment from
> Lee, and Lee just wasn't convinced that chicken
> seasoned with negro bath water would prove to be a
> successful recipe. Lee always regretted his
> decision.

That's a northern lie.
The only direct involvement Lee had was to provide his mother's famous biscuit recipe. Lee was quite busy with his own job as carnival barker to get involved in restauranteering.

His direct quote was,'War is Hell, but it still beats working in food service.'

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: History Buff ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:28AM

Lee never worked as a carnival barker. That was a rumor started by Sanders when Lee refused the $100,000. It was Grant who was the carnival barker.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Southern Fare ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:51AM

Actually Lee never knew that negro bath water was used to fry the chicken. Lee didn't know shit about frying altogether. He was too busy with his pastry and biscuit recipes (which Col Sanders later stole). It was discovered later on that Lee's money was even a hoax.

Sanders was only a Major at the time he discovered his chicken recipe. He got promoted after General Jackson and his troops visited the camp one hot July day and tried his chicken. Jackson was quoted as saying, " Any man who dun can cooked chicken like this shall done weared the emblem of Colonel."

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: No, no.... ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:55AM

Grant worked as a bouncer after the war (he'd always wanted a bar gig). He then became a terribly corrupt politician, setting an example the GOP has followed assiduously ever since.

Sanders was not hurting for money - Bill Quantrill's family needed to launder all the money the family patriarch had stolen on his Northern raids, so they considered Sanders' fried chicken venture to be a Heaven-sent opportunity.

Lee did, in fact, work briefly as a carnival barker, then as an auctioneer, and finally as an alligator wrestler, before finally settling down to more sedate pursuits.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Santa Anna ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:57AM

Sanders was a deceitful man. He was negotiating with me to merge with Taco Bell right under General Lee's nose.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: please get this straight ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:00AM

The ONLY connection Lee had with KFC was to provide the secret family biscuit recipe. Oh, he DID give one of his CSA uniforms to Col Sanders - it's the one Sanders wore to his dying day.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Chihuahua Mexico ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:04AM

Taco bell came to be after the Mexican-American war. In 1850 it was traded for the New Mexico Territory. The seasoned beef recipe was eventually sold to the Purina Foods company in 1904.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Civil War Buff ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:07AM

But the story takes still another strange twist. Sanders was still with the Army of Northern Virginia in April of 1865 when Lee surrendered his army to U.S. Grant. When lee finally realized all was lost, he sent a message through the lines to Grant asking for a truce to discuss the terms of surrender. Grant however, was still angry because Lee has refused his own request for a ease-fire at Cold Harbor to collect his wounded. Lee's request was refused and his aide returned to camp.

When Lee was told of Grant's refusal he somberly told his aide "I know what must be done...please send for Col. Sanders, and ask him to bring a bucket of that fried chicken of his". When Sanders appeared, Lee explained the situation ; Sanders nodded silently and handed the chicken to Lee. Lee then sent his messenger through the lines again, this time carrying the bucket (16 piece) of that finger lickin' good fried chicken. When he reached Grant's headquarter's, he handed the chicken to Grant and said "General Lee sends his compliments". Grant then accepted the chicken and agreed to meet with Lee.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Col Sanders was uninvolved ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:08AM

Chihuahua Mexico Wrote:
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> Taco bell came to be after the Mexican-American
> war. In 1850 it was traded for the New Mexico
> Territory. The seasoned beef recipe was eventually
> sold to the Purina Foods company in 1904.

He was focused on KFC and (soemwhat more clandestinely) on his fledgling Chikc-Fil-A venture.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: There is more here ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:14AM

Mr. Iglesio Hut immigrated to America from Italy in 1839, during the industrial revolution. His small New York pizza franchise patient was eventually purchased with a check, signed by a Col Sanders.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: big mistake ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:20AM

Mr. Hut's mafia cousin, the infamous Jabba, was not happy with the terms of the purchase, and as he controlled the importation of the spices necessary for the Col's famous recipe, would go on to make Sanders' life very difficult.

Fortunately for all, Hut would eventually interfere with Frank Sinatra's career, and Frank's buddies left a severed horse head (contrary to popular myth, it was not the head of Gen Lee's loyal horse Traveller) on Hut's bed. Hut wisely took the hint, and retired to Florida.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Perceptive move on Lee's part ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:28AM

It is now well known that when Grant sent Sherman through Georgia, the primary mission was to get a hold of the Colonel's secret recipe. Grant could NOT get enough of that chicken!

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: fact of the matter ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:39AM

Despite the historic rumors, there is simply no food which southern folk to this day find more enticing than fresh, young, farm-raised chicken, lightly breaded, and fried to perfection in negro bath water, then placed in a red and white cardboard bucket. Long live the Colonel.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Cg ()
Date: June 16, 2015 06:32AM

You galoots are too funny. Much more entertaining than the Pagan MC galoots.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Michelle-O ()
Date: June 16, 2015 06:41AM

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Bill.N. ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:14PM

I know you are just having fun with this, but "Col." Sanders was actually born up north a couple of decades after the Civil War.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Famous ()
Date: June 16, 2015 12:30PM

Legend Has It Wrote:
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> Legend also has it that Col. Sander approached Lee
> about lending his name to the enterprise. But
> Sanders also wanted a $100,000 investment from
> Lee, and Lee just wasn't convinced that chicken
> seasoned with negro bath water would prove to be a
> successful recipe. Lee always regretted his
> decision.


Lee wanted to concentrate on his own Chicken Empire. While he had some minor success, it could not compare to the good Colonel's fortunes.

https://www.leesfamousrecipe.com/

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Sheila Jackson-Lee ()
Date: June 16, 2015 01:01PM

Famous Wrote:
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> Legend Has It Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Legend also has it that Col. Sander approached
> Lee
> > about lending his name to the enterprise. But
> > Sanders also wanted a $100,000 investment from
> > Lee, and Lee just wasn't convinced that chicken
> > seasoned with negro bath water would prove to be
> a
> > successful recipe. Lee always regretted his
> > decision.
>
>
> Lee wanted to concentrate on his own Chicken
> Empire. While he had some minor success, it could
> not compare to the good Colonel's fortunes.
>
> https://www.leesfamousrecipe.com/

WTF you talkin' bout? That white motherfucker done stole my recipe.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Huey ()
Date: June 16, 2015 07:11PM

Best. Thread. Ever. Exactly how was Grant connected to Boosterthon?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Grant's involvement... ()
Date: June 16, 2015 08:42PM

The ever-corrupt Grant colluded with Lee to required KFC to be the only food available at any Boosterthon activity.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: the real controversy ()
Date: June 16, 2015 09:06PM

revolves around whether General Buford was involved (he wanted to 'northernize' the South by opening up hamburger franchises.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Douglas Southall Freeman ()
Date: June 16, 2015 09:22PM

Do your research people –there was more to it than the surrender negotiations:

Gordon [Gen. John B.] rode out to meet his adversary. Sheridan [Gen. Philip] was as anxious as Custer had been to receive the bucket of chicken prepared by Gordon’s legendary quartermaster and cook Harland Sanders. Shown the message from Lee to Gordon, the Federal [Sheridan] suggested that firing cease on both sides and that the two forces withdraw to agreed positions while they waited for a report of the outcome of the conference. Orders were dispatched immediately. Firing quickly ceased. The two Generals dismounted.

“We have met before, I believe,” Sheridan began brusquely, “at Winchester and at Cedar Creek in the Valley.”

“I was there.”

“I had the pleasure,” Sheridan pursued, “of receiving some chicken from your cook, consigned to me through your commander, General Early.”

Gordon read in Sheridan’s tone a certain exultation, and he could not refrain from answering: “That is true, and I should now reveal to you that our grand strategy was to demoralize your entire army by demonstrating how vastly superior our gastronomic prowess truly was. In the weeks that followed all the efforts of your people were engaged in attempting to replicate Cook Sanders recipe. When that failed efforts to infiltrate spies into our camps and foolish direct assaults on our commissaries were then hurriedly made. The war was prolonged by at least several months with this devious introduction of the fried chicken seasoned with Sander's secret blend of 11 herbs & spices."

Freeman, D. (1944). Lee's Lieutenants, A Study in Command, Gettysburg to Appomattox (Vol. 3, p. 735). New York: C. Scribner's Sons.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: all true, all true ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:08PM

As was pointed out earlier, Thw underlying purpose of Sherman's march through Georgia was to find the Colonel's original recipe.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC also a critical field ration ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:13PM

Colonel Sanders cleverly added a pinch of MSG to his spice mix, which served as a stimulant to the troops before battle. The Union clearly held the advantage at The wilderness and the reb soldiers despondently through down their rifles in preparation for surrender.

But the Colonel walked among the ranks of beleaguered soldiers, ordering each to put out his hand, into which he sprinkled his special spice mix. The soldiers gathered in a circle around Sanders, who told them to eat the powder. Then, he smiled shyly, winked at the men, pointed toward the oncoming Union forces, and famously uttered. "Fry them.'They did.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC Buff ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:25PM

If it not generally covered in the textbooks, but the Civil War was not fought over secession, or slavery, or states rights. There was one cause and one cause only; Kentucky Fried Chicken. Nor is that all; the immediate cause of firing on Ft. Sumter was also Kentucky Fried Chicken. Here is what the history book don't tell you.

After the Southern States had seceded and formed the Confederates States of America, Ft. Sumter was still in control of Union military forces. The forces were commanded by none other than Major Robert Anderson, a native Kentuckian and boyhood friend of Harlan Sanders. A tensions mounted, Maj. Anderson devised a brilliant, but devious plan. Through flag of truce, he extended an invitation for Harlan Sanders to act as an unofficial diplomat and dine with him at the Fort. Anderson knew perfectly well that Sanders was trying to launch his chain of restaurants and that Sanders would likely offer to bring bring an ample supply of KFC for the troops. The plan worked to perfection and Anderson sprung the trap! After dinner, Anderson explained to his troops that if the South were permitted to secede, the KFC they so loved would no longer be available to them! Incensed, the troops issued an ultimatum to Sanders; either the recipe or you are now the first prisoner of war.

For his part, Sanders was the unwitting victim of san elaborate ruse, and he steadfastly refused to surrender his secret recipe of what was then 9 different herbs and spices. So he remained a prisoner! When the hour for Sanders return passed, PGT Beuargard issued a final ultimatum; release Harlan Sanders (he was still a civilian at the time) by 4:00 AM, or the Fort will be fired upon.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Another factoid ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:32PM

The rebel anthem 'Dixie' was oringally about the little paper cups in which Col Sanders served sweet tea to go with his fried chicken.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: OFC ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:45PM

Obama Fried Chicken. Chinks wov it.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: The Lost Cause ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:50PM

True fact about the Civil War: "The Lost Cause" originally referred to the Northern efforts to capture Sanders original fried chicken recipe. It failed and later to cover up the embarrassment (exacerbated by the success of KFC in the northern states) some Yankee historians concocted the modern myth of the South's Lost Cause.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: It's a good point ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:52PM

I think a lot of the mean-spirited vindictiveness of Reconstruction arose from the North's frustration at not being able to acquire/emulate the original recipe.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: wondering? ()
Date: June 16, 2015 10:58PM

Is it true that Harland Sanders great-grandfather created the recipe during the hard times at Valley Forge? I read on the internet once that "Light-Horse" Harry Lee had a camp cook with the last name of Sanyders (variant of Sanders?) who was from South Carolina and had a memorable 6 herb-and-spice fried chicken recipe. Saynders also survived Valley Forge and crossing the Delaware and my research shows he moved to Kentucky in the early 1800s. Coincidence?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Quite possible! ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:01PM

The seventh ingredient, MSG, had not been discovered yet. It was teh MSG that made KFC so particularly savory, (and reb soldiers so invincible at The wilderness).

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Civil KFC Buff ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:16PM

In Ken Burns marvelous 1992 documentary "The Civil War" narrator and Pulitzer Prize Winning Historian David McCulough repeated the often told tale that the Battle of Gettysburg began because Confederates wanted to seize a supply of shoe. Modern scholarship has revealed, of course, that it was a supply of KFC the underfed Confederates were after.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Korean War vet ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:22PM

I seem to recall a Sanders in MacAuther's hq cooking staff. He would teach the locals how to fry a chicken without the 7 herbs and spices, thanks to this we now have Bon Chon chicken.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: More Rumors ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:27PM

I am not altogether certain, but it is said that there was a stowaway on the Mayflower who prepared delicious fried chicken with a single herb and only 2 spices. That stowaway ended up marrying into a Virginia family that later migrated west. So it is possible...

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: The original spice ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:32PM

Was brought back to Europe by a Crusader.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Surrender Terms ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:38PM

It is fairly well known that when he met with Lee at Appomatox, Grant permitted the Confederates to keep their horses and personal sidearms. But the bastard confiscated their KFC and replaced it with standard U.S. Army rations. That act caused bitter feelings that took over a century to subside...

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Little known fact ()
Date: June 16, 2015 11:41PM

Surrender Terms Wrote:
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> It is fairly well known that when he met with Lee
> at Appomatox, Grant permitted the Confederates to
> keep their horses and personal sidearms. But the
> bastard confiscated their KFC and replaced it with
> standard U.S. Army rations. That act caused bitter
> feelings that took over a century to subside...

This was how the South discovered jello

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: blackandwhite ()
Date: June 17, 2015 12:25PM

Civil War Era photo of Col. Sanders.
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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Jubal Early ()
Date: June 17, 2015 03:16PM

Experter Historian Wrote:
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> His wound at Chancellorsville was only
> superficial, and he was back in the saddle at
> Gettysburg. He fought bravely in Longstreet's
> Corp. and survived Pickett's Charge.

Later, he accidentally wounded Longstreet at the Wilderness in May '64.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Mick ()
Date: June 17, 2015 03:33PM

More Rumors Wrote:
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> I am not altogether certain, but it is said that
> there was a stowaway on the Mayflower who prepared
> delicious fried chicken with a single herb and
> only 2 spices. That stowaway ended up marrying
> into a Virginia family that later migrated west.
> So it is possible...


It was at the end of this westward migration, in San Francisco actually, that the Virginia family met up with the Chinese General Tso, and collaborated on a chicken recipe that became very popular with the western people.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: I Declare ()
Date: June 17, 2015 03:38PM

But I thought that Col.Harland Sanders was a Union sympathizer? In fact, he supplied both Mary Surratt's tavern in Maryland and her boarding house on H Street in Washington DC with a steady supply of herbs and spices. Surratt's son, John may have slipped in coded notes to John Wilkes Booth via sacks of spices.

Mary Surratt was hung. Was Colonel Sanders?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Civil KFC Buff ()
Date: June 17, 2015 04:11PM

I don't mean to be a nuisance, but the above photograph is not a of Col. Harlan Sanders, but of his twin brother, Brigadier General Huckelby Sanders. As you can plainly see, General Sanders is wearing a U.S.A. uniform, not a C.S.A. uniform. Colonel Sanders served in Kemper's Brigade. Pickett's Division, Longstreet's Corp., Army of Northern Virginia. But there is more to the story.

General Huckelby Sanders went by the name of "Popeye", and it exactly what you think. After the war, Huckelby Sanders was offended by the segregation in the KFC restaurants owned by his brother he, and vowed to provide the newly freed African-American population a chicken establishment of their own to enjoy. A place where they could, you know, hang-out and eat the fried chicken without being treated like second class citizens. And so the "Popeye's" franchise was born.....

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Lub dat chickin ()
Date: June 17, 2015 04:12PM

More Rumors Wrote:
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> I am not altogether certain, but it is said that
> there was a stowaway on the Mayflower who prepared
> delicious fried chicken with a single herb and
> only 2 spices. That stowaway ended up marrying
> into a Virginia family that later migrated west.
> So it is possible...

That stowaway was known as Popeye. He later sailed down the coast to the Louisiana territory.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Coincidence ()
Date: June 17, 2015 04:14PM

1 minute apart :)

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: stonewall jackson ()
Date: June 17, 2015 05:04PM

Few know the details behind the early Roy Kroc/Col. Sanders collaboration.

Roy Kroc was one of Col. Sanders' earliest employees. He started as a fire-tender, that is, responsible for tending the elaborate kettle drum/open-fire spit in which the Colonel cooked all the chickens in his burgeoning and lucrative fried chicken business in North Kentucky. This is the way the Civil War soldiers ate all game and chicken in the field and how, of course, Colonel Sanders learned and honed his technique.

Roy Kroc was a bugle boy in the Civil War and so carefully observed chicken and meal preparations. Roy quickly automated the kettle drum spit operation, moved it all indoors and took that proprietary knowledge with him to open his very first McDonalds Hamburger Restaurant.

In honor of a fallen comrade, Roy Kroc named his happy clown mascot Ronald McDonald.

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Posted by: Stonewall again ()
Date: June 17, 2015 05:15PM

I stand corrected. It was Ray Kroc not Roy Kroc. my bad.

That reminds me of Roy Rogers. That man rode in one day to taste some of Col. Sanders fine, delicious fried chicken. Trigger and Roy were tired from a long ride from wherever to wherever in KY, so Trigger got to eat a trough full of some leftover "crumbs" that the Col usually fed to his farm animals. Roy Rogers, ever the jokester, decided that he'd sample whatever his horse was eatin'

Roy liked the crispy, crunchy spicy crumbs so much that he told Col Sanders to stop throwing the crumbs away and top the chicken with in. Together, the Col and Roy dumped all the crumbs back into a fryer, coated the pre spiced chicken and a legend was born! The delicious crispy outside with the seven secret spices that makes KFC Truly KFC!

Roy Rogers remembered the secret spices when he was approached by Marriott Corp. to open a chain of burger restaurants called...RoyRogers.

The Seven Secret Spices are; cumin, salt, pepper, garlic, cayenne, oregano, onion.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Colonel Fried Chicken ()
Date: June 17, 2015 05:32PM

"I stand corrected. It was Ray Kroc not Roy Kroc. my bad.

That reminds me of Roy Rogers...."

lol...

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: blackandwhite ()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:30PM

My apologies... I should have realized that was not the photo for Harland Sanders. Clearly that is a Yankee uniform. This is the civil war era photo of Harland "KFC" Sanders. He aged well.
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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC Truth ()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:38PM

Quoting from the book, The Great Chicken Raid of '62:

"Colonel Sanders rode in silently through the ranks with just a handful of men. By the end of the night, he had rounded up some 10,000 chickens, 6 enlisted men, and a major. It was later learned that President Lincoln remarked, 'I don't mind to lose a major, I can always make a major. I just can't stand the thought of losing so many chickens."

Colonel Sanders then used those 10,000 chickens to experiment, at first using 12 herbs and spices. But then someone suggested he drop the chicory, and a legend was created.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: I Luv Bacon ()
Date: June 17, 2015 06:52PM

halal certified
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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC Civil Buff ()
Date: June 17, 2015 08:22PM

blackandwhite Wrote:
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> My apologies... I should have realized that was
> not the photo for Harland Sanders. Clearly that
> is a Yankee uniform. This is the civil war era
> photo of Harland "KFC" Sanders. He aged well.


Well played Sir, well played...

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: History Student ()
Date: June 17, 2015 09:24PM

Stonewall again Wrote:
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> The Seven Secret Spices are; cumin, salt, pepper,
> garlic, cayenne, oregano, onion.

Is it not true that the underlying reason to invade Cuba during the Spanish American War was to secure good land for growing pepper and oregano for the nascent fast food industry?

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Posted by: Colonel Sanders buff ()
Date: June 17, 2015 09:55PM

Yes. During that same war, the US also seized the Phillipines, hoping that the tropical climate would be conducive to the production of chicken feed.

Colonel Sanders' meddling in Asia may have catalyzed the Chinese Boxer rebellion.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Original Recipe ()
Date: June 17, 2015 09:57PM

History Student Wrote:
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> Stonewall again Wrote:
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>
> >
> > The Seven Secret Spices are; cumin, salt,
> pepper,
> > garlic, cayenne, oregano, onion.
>
> Is it not true that the underlying reason to
> invade Cuba during the Spanish American War was to
> secure good land for growing pepper and oregano
> for the nascent fast food industry?


As official record has it, no onion was used on the "original" recipe. That flavor was created by boiling the chicken in week-old negro bath water. Onion was later the replacement, once onion farming became more widespread in the US and the industrial revolution brought vegetable oil refineries. KFC does call it the original recipe because it is what they have been using since Colonel Sanders became officially incorporated in the early 1900's.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Shogun ()
Date: June 17, 2015 10:33PM

Colonel Sanders buff Wrote:
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> Yes. During that same war, the US also seized the
> Phillipines, hoping that the tropical climate
> would be conducive to the production of chicken
> feed.
>
> Colonel Sanders' meddling in Asia may have
> catalyzed the Chinese Boxer rebellion.


While this is true, is does not represent the earliest date at which Col. Sanders chicken had an influence upon international affair, particularly events in Asia and the Pacific. For when Commodore Perry sailed to Japan to open negotiation on a trade treaty with the U.S., among the gifts of goodwill he brought was a bucket (again, 16 piece) of Col. Sanders finger lickin' good fried chicken.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: historyan ()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:34PM

>It was at the end of this westward migration, in San Francisco actually, that the Virginia family met up with the Chinese General Tso, and collaborated on a chicken recipe that became very popular with the western people.

>Colonel Sanders' meddling in Asia may have catalyzed the Chinese Boxer rebellion.

Sanders' role in catalyzing the Boxer Revolution is often still misunderstood today. While the Militia United in Righteousness (Yihetuan), known in English as the "Boxers", were disturbed by the spread of Western cuisine and influence in their homeland, they were more disturbed by the fact that both General Tso's Chicken and Kentucky Fried Chicken (both were popular in China at the time) are seasoned with old Negro bath water. In fact, in June 1900, the Boxers converged on Beijing chanting the slogan "support Qing government, exterminate the foreigners, and stop using negro bath water to season chicken." The mere fact that both styles of chicken are Western in origin may or may not have had a role in the uprising, although it is certain the Chinese were upset with the practice of the seasoning method advocated by both Sanders and Tso.

As a sidenote, many upper-end dining establishments located in Manila now prepare chicken adobo using a slight amount of negro bath water mixed with the traditional soy sauce, vinegar and coconut oil typically associated with this dish.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: L Armistead ()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:39PM

I am sick and tired of this site and the ridiculous things that people post here. Of course KFC was not around during the civil war. It was started just after, with the name Klan Fired Chicken, as they were cooked over burning crosses. Get your history straight folks, next thing you'll tell me is that Abe Lincoln WASN'T shot by John Wilkes 'Popeye' Booth after a failed endorsement of his family's chicken franchise.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Too, too funny ()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:41PM

In fact, in June 1900, the Boxers converged on Beijing chanting the slogan "support Qing government, exterminate the foreigners, and stop using negro bath water to season chicken."



lololololol!

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: I am way confused ()
Date: June 17, 2015 11:56PM

I thought the assertion of the use of negro bath water was found to be a slanderous attempt to besmirch KFC on the part of Howard Johnson, who was trying to dominate the Southern restaurant business.

clarence Darrow famously (and successfully) argued before the Supreme court that this form of libel could not be construed as free speech. At least that's what was taught to us in our (government-supplied) history textbooks.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Howard failed ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:19AM

I am way confused Wrote:
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> I thought the assertion of the use of negro bath
> water was found to be a slanderous attempt to
> besmirch KFC on the part of Howard Johnson, who
> was trying to dominate the Southern restaurant
> business.
>
> clarence Darrow famously (and successfully) argued
> before the Supreme court that this form of libel
> could not be construed as free speech. At least
> that's what was taught to us in our
> (government-supplied) history textbooks.


Howard Johnson was a yankee liberal from Massachusetts. His restaurant didn't become profitable until the 1930's. It was short lived because the majority of military troops preferred KFC to the Howard Johnson meatloaf and clam strip offerings; both issued in war rations at the time. Howard Johnson was known for his many slanderous retorts against the Colonel, but Mr. Johnson had no knowledge of the prior use of negro bath water seasoning. Only two people who even knew that secret were still alive by then; one of them was the Colonel.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Cold War History ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:20AM

In addition to swiping A-bomb secrets for the Russians, the Rosenbergs also attempted to steal KFC's secret recipe at the behest of their Communist Masters. This proved to be their downfall, as the Colonel's crack security forces (organisationally descended form the Confederate Home Guard) immediately halted their plot, captured them both, and at the completion of their investigation handed the traitors over to the FBI. The KFC connection was hushed up so as not to damage civilian morale during the early Cold War.

Colonel Sanders was apparently quite tickled that the Rosenbergs were fried.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Still confused ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:29AM

Howard failed Wrote:
>
>
> Howard Johnson was a yankee liberal from
> Massachusetts. His restaurant didn't become
> profitable until the 1930's. It was short lived
> because the majority of military troops preferred
> KFC to the Howard Johnson meatloaf and clam strip
> offerings; both issued in war rations at the time.
> Howard Johnson was known for his many slanderous
> retorts against the Colonel, but Mr. Johnson had
> no knowledge of the prior use of negro bath water
> seasoning. Only two people who even knew that
> secret were still alive by then; one of them was
> the Colonel.


Well, if he was a liberal, I find it strange that scholl textbooks paint such an ugly picture of him. Or was he simply so vile that educational administrators aren't even going to try to rehabilitate him?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Eventual ne ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:38AM

Still confused Wrote:
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> Howard failed Wrote:
> >
> >
> > Howard Johnson was a yankee liberal from
> > Massachusetts. His restaurant didn't become
> > profitable until the 1930's. It was short lived
> > because the majority of military troops
> preferred
> > KFC to the Howard Johnson meatloaf and clam
> strip
> > offerings; both issued in war rations at the
> time.
> > Howard Johnson was known for his many
> slanderous
> > retorts against the Colonel, but Mr. Johnson
> had
> > no knowledge of the prior use of negro bath
> water
> > seasoning. Only two people who even knew that
> > secret were still alive by then; one of them
> was
> > the Colonel.
>
>
> Well, if he was a liberal, I find it strange that
> scholl textbooks paint such an ugly picture of
> him. Or was he simply so vile that educational
> administrators aren't even going to try to
> rehabilitate him?


His roadside hotel chain, which was later inherited by his son HB, served as the locale for many of the smuttiest and controversial affairs in congressional history...But that is entire topic altogether.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Ohhhhhhhhh. GOTCHA! ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:44AM

HB has a dirt colelction, hmm?
Anything on the Clintons? Or Dennis Hastert? Maybe even the Reagans?
(If you're uncomfortable responding on a public forum, I totally get you - the NSA would pounce on us.)

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: No Secret ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:52AM

Ohhhhhhhhh. GOTCHA! Wrote:
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> HB has a dirt colelction, hmm?
> Anything on the Clintons? Or Dennis Hastert? Maybe
> even the Reagans?
> (If you're uncomfortable responding on a public
> forum, I totally get you - the NSA would pounce on
> us.)


Its right in the history books. Read about Watergate some time.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Watergate! Thanks for mention! ()
Date: June 18, 2015 12:55AM

Very apropro, as today happens to be the anniverary of the breakin.

Apparently, the burlgars were sloppy as they were running late, due to G. Gordon Liddy's insistence on stopping for KFC on the way.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Back on Topic ()
Date: June 18, 2015 01:22AM

This thread, although interesting, seems to be getting a bit off topic. It is my understanding that Colonel Sanders was a highly decorated Civil War hero, tactical genius, and leader of troops prior to starting the successful chicken franchise that we know of today. Some history buffs have gone so far to claim that he made the rank of General prior to retiring from the fight.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: well, it is relevant ()
Date: June 18, 2015 01:41AM

While the Civil War provided the perfect growth medium, if you will, for the rapid flourishing of KFC, some of these comments do serve to show how the Colonel went on to influence world affairs into the 21st Century.

But in fact, Sanders did NOT seek the rank of General, magnanimously suggesting that his fellow Colonels (Motors, Electric, and Dynamics) be elevated to that exhalted position in his stead, as he merely wished to be a humble purveyor of chicken.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Civil War Buff ()
Date: June 18, 2015 01:59AM

In fairness, the specific title of the thread does indeed confine itself to the Colonel's Civil War service. Still, the Colonel and his chicken had such a profound impact in world affairs that it is very easy indeed to stray off-topic.

Now then, there is no mystery as to the Colonel's rank; it was in fact Colonel. The confusion originates in the fact that his twin brother Huckelby did, in fact, attain the rank of Brigadier General in the Union Army during the war (this was briefly discussed earlier in the thread). But there is still another reason for the confusion as to the rank of Colonel Sanders. During the retreat following the Battle of Gettysburg, Col. Sanders was captured by Union forces. Colonel Sanders, however, successfully concealed his true identity, and he was sent to Point Lookout Maryland as a prisoner of war. He made a bold and daring escape on Christmas Eve, and returned to his unit shortly after the two week Holiday break. For his daring, escape there was talk of Sander being awarded a Brevet promotion, but it never came to fruition. When the war was over, Harlan Sanders was a Colonel.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: One Instance ()
Date: June 18, 2015 02:19AM

It was once told that Col Sanders, at the young rank of Sergeant, once disarmed an entire tribe of Sioux Indians. He was ambushed by the tribe while on lookout. They buried him alive up to his kepi, along with his horse, to be found later by the confederacy. Sanders somehow gained consciousness, finding himself deep under the earth. Upon a firm kick of his stirrups, he emerged from the soil with his horse. He then tactfully disarmed the entire tribe before taking their chickens.

This heroic incident was reenacted in the 1983 movie, "Lone Wolf McQuade", starring Chuck Norris and David Carradine.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Southern History ()
Date: June 18, 2015 08:36AM

In a little known side note to the Appomattox Campaign in the closing days of the Civil War for the Army of Norther Virginia, Colonel Sanders was part of a foraging party looking for rations for the Confederate Army in their retreat from Petersburg. A communication foul up had left the Army marching for days without proper rations.

Sanders came upon a small Union Quartermaster detachment and quickly captured their stocks. It included U.S. Grant's baggage, which famously went missing, causing him to arrive at the eventual surrender wearing muddy boots, no sword, and wearing a simple private's tunic. Sanders quickly found that the supplies captured included no food except several hundred pounds of potatoes. Quickly checking Grant's bags for any intelligence, he came upon one of Grant's whittling projects. It was a wooden spoon, not quite finished, with several jagged points still to be whittled down. Sanders instantly saw it's potential use.

Pressing on to Farmville, where Confederate rations were being sent from Danville, Sanders arrived to set up his kitchen. Boiling the potatoes and mashing them, Sanders has the slaves in his kitchen begin copying the unique spoon he found in Grant's baggage. As the famished Conferderate soldiers lined up for their long awaited rations, they were treated to the Colonels original recipe chicken. Grabbing some discarded tins, the cooks began passing out the mashed potatoes along with the a whittled copy of Grants unique spoon.

Thus the idea of the "side" and the "spork" were introduced to the world.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Chicken Bone fight at Manassas ()
Date: June 18, 2015 09:03AM

True facts about Col. Sanders exploits with chicken include: in an unpublished draft of “I Rode With Stonewall” (found in a Charles Town, WV KFC meat locker in 1968), Henry Kyd Douglas detailed an vignette from the Second Battle of Manassas; namely, that during the attack of the 24th NY at Deep Cut, Theron Haight - corporal of the 24th claimed that the rebels were also throwing chicken bones in addition to rocks when they so infamously ran out of ammunition. One chicken bone got stuck in Haight’s throat as he was shouting out to a wounded comrade.

Douglas claimed to have a letter from Haight in which he also wrote that the spicy flavor remaining on the chicken bone, “was more than enough reward to exchange for the rude fashion in which it was introduced to my palate.” He also claimed that he heard the rebels yelling to “bring up more of Sander’s chicken bones” from the rear. A number of Yankee soldier were wounded by sharpened bones from Col. Sanders refuse piles. Rumor had it that these wounds never got infected - which further spurred efforts to capture the secret recipe as some field hospital staff were certain they could use the rub on wounds to prevent infection.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: I'm crying ()
Date: June 18, 2015 11:10AM

Best thread ever!

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC Buff ()
Date: June 18, 2015 05:03PM

For those who may be interested, there is a very specific reason why, despite the extraordinary bravery exhibited by Col. Sanders during the Great Christmas Escape from Point Lookout, he was never promoted to the rank of General. It seems that Col. Sanders infamously earned the eternal wrath of Confederate Corp. Commander James Longstreet in an unfortunate incident which took place immediately before the Battle of Fredericksburg in December of 1862. So when the time came for Sanders promotion, Longstreet vindictively blocked it. Here's what happened on that fateful occasion.

Shortly before the battle, General Longstreet was surveying the deployment and strategic positioning of his army. As he consulted with his artillery commander Col. Porter Alexander, he expressed doubt as to whether Alexander would be prepared to repulse the full fury of the attack when it came. Col. Porter sought to reassure Longstreet and very famously replied, "General, a chicken could not survive in that field when I open on it". For his part, Col. Sanders was quietly lunching nearby (3 piece/w bisquit), and overheard the remark. He instantly took offense. "What the hell was that supposed to mean" he angrily demanded of Col. Alexander. Alexander was genuinely confused and replied "what was what supposed to mean"? Sanders, now in a state of near fury countered "don't give me that bullshit, you exactly what the fuck I'm talking about"!

Alexander tried to calm Sanders, and told him it was an innocent metaphor intended only to reassure General Longstreet that his artillery unit was fully prepared to counter the expected assault. But Sanders would have none of it, because he perceived Alexanders' remark as a snide insult regarding the method Sanders employed to slaughter his chickens: "I'll have you know that I slaughter my chickens in the most humane manner possible, and by the way, I don't see you refusing an extra helping; nope, I see you stuffing your fat face with all the chicken and bisquits you can get your grubby hands on"!

At this point Longstreet intervened and ordered Col. Sanders back to his unit. Sanders, now flirting dangerously with insubordination, shouted "you always take his side" and stormed off. The Battle itself was a huge victory for the Confederates, but the damage was done. Longstreet felt Col. Sanders conduct was extremely unprofessional, and though he did not file a report, he did vow that Sanders would never attain the rank of General.

By the way, what Sanders said regarding his methodology for slaughtering chickens was perfectly true. Three years before, in 1859, PETA had issued him a letter of approval for his methods. It was found among his personal papers when he died, at the age of 146, in 1980.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Maj. Appliance ()
Date: June 18, 2015 05:15PM

.
>
> But in fact, Sanders did NOT seek the rank of
> General, magnanimously suggesting that his fellow
> Colonels (Motors, Electric, and Dynamics) be
> elevated to that exhalted position in his stead,
> as he merely wished to be a humble purveyor of
> chicken.


I respectfully need to interject that my great great grandfather was Major Matiq Appliance (family lore suggests that since the surname was French, it was said as App-play-onns). He was a comrade and boyhood friend of Harlan Sanders and they served together briefly. However, Maj. Appliance received an honorable discharge when he had difficulty recovering from dysentery. Maj. Appliance was treated by Clara Barton herself at Fairfax Station.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: FFVdt ()
Date: June 18, 2015 05:19PM

Colonel Harland David Sanders[a] (September 9, 1890 – December 16, 1980) was an American businessman, best known for founding fast food chicken restaurant chain Kentucky Fried Chicken (now known as KFC) and later acting as the company's goodwill ambassador and symbol.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Antietam Tour Guide ()
Date: June 18, 2015 05:20PM

I'd love to tell you the real story behind the Lost Order - Special Order 191. Let's just say it was a cover story that Lee's lost plans were wrapped in cigars... or that it was actually Lee's lost plans (what is 1+9+1 and how many secret ingredients are in the KFC recipe????)... unfortunately my personal safety would be jeopardized by revealing all - it's been kept under wraps by the Illuminati Freemasons and those New World Order folks still have a vested interest to keep the story from coming out.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: blackandwhite ()
Date: June 18, 2015 05:23PM

FFVdt Wrote:
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> Colonel Harland David Sanders[a] (September 9,
> 1890 – December 16, 1980) was an American
> businessman, best known for founding fast food
> chicken restaurant chain Kentucky Fried Chicken
> (now known as KFC) and later acting as the
> company's goodwill ambassador and symbol.

Who you gonna believe? Wikipedia or expert internet historians?

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: 3KMkd ()
Date: June 18, 2015 07:33PM

I teach AP History, hence the hidden name. There is just SO MUCH that the history textbooks leave out. I am glad to have all of this information that I can copy and give to my students next school year so they will know the WHOLE TRUTH. By the way, I have read several times in here of the surrender of Lee to Grant. Not true. I have always taught that Appomattox was where General Grant finally accepted General Lee's terms for a cease fire, as long as Lee also threw in a 16 piece bucket of finger lickin' good, and a biscuit. And that is how Colonel Sanders helped bring about the end of The War of Northern Aggression.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: colsanders ()
Date: June 18, 2015 10:07PM

This attached photo - previously unidentified - is thought to be a post-war photo of Col. Sanders at the 1913 Gettysburg Reunion/Pickett's Charge reenactment. Sanders was known to be quite fond of his fried chicken and he appears to be reclining after an afternoon of consuming mass quantities of the "Finger-Lickin' Good" stuff.
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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Sanders and Longstreet ()
Date: June 18, 2015 11:07PM

Its' true that Sanders had an explosive temper, which undoubtedly proved very trying for General Longstreet, who had enough on his plate with Lee's sometimes eratic orders. Sanders would later battle with the corporation that took control of KFC, declaring that their potato gravy was 'sludge', and not fit to bear his likeness.

Does anyone hapen to know anything about the original gravy recipe? Or the KFC gravy history? The current product is fairly lackluster, while I imagine the Colonel exacted quite high standards in its production.

Also, at what point did the rapprochement between Sanders and Gen. William T. Sherman occur? I know that, at the end of the war, Sanders was furious at what he quite justifiably considered the savage treatment of Georgia and South Carolina at Sherman's hands. But later, the two became quite good friends. Sherman's son Clay even presented Sanders with a piano from his store. Folks who knew Sanders in his later years recount how coveted a privilege it was to be invited to a sing-along at Sander's estate, with the Colonel happily banging away at the keyboard.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: KFC and The Manhattan Project ()
Date: June 19, 2015 12:10AM

I'll need someone with a better physics background to elaborate on the technical details, but I think we should at least touch on KFC's contributions to the development of the atomic bomb.

When the US was laboring to produce an A-bomb during World war Two, huge research establishments were created out in the sticks in Tennessee, New Mexico, and Hanford.
Providing wholesome yet savory food for all the workers in these far-flung areas was an immense challenge, especially given that many of the leading scientists were foreigners who were not fond of the standard American chow.

The Colonel was ready to deploy franchises wherever Uncle Sam might need them, and could be said to have been the Chief Chef of America's A-Bomb project. Some folks may even recall KFC's 'Twangy' chicken recipe, developed especially at the request of Szilard, Oppenheimer, Fermi, and Teller.

Now the technical part of this story begins: Those who design nukes understand that, in setting off a nuclear device, the control of neutron flux is critical - if too many get through, or if too many get absorbed at the wrong time, your nuke does not work. In 1944, this challenge seemed daunting, if not insurmountable. Nothing the physicists tried seemed to work!

And yet, one day, while running a test, the techs cried out in amazement - The neutron flux was perfect! Fermi was baffled. He exclaimed 'We did nothing different! This test wasn't even about flux control - it was just to calibrate some new equipment! WTF?!?'

They carefully dissassembled the experimental apparatti, and discovered that, while eating lunch in the lab (against the rules, BTW), the notoriously slovenly Edward Teller had spilled gravy from his KFC mashed potatoes all over the prototype detonator. The gravy had served as a perfect flux modulator!

While technicians would later perfect more sophisticated flux control (still based on the molecular dynamics of the gravy), the earliest A-bombs,including those dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, actually contained six to eight ounces of KFC gravy in the nuclear core.

So, KFC gravcy helped end WWII, and gave the US a commanding lead in the Cold War.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Secret gravy ()
Date: June 19, 2015 03:49AM

Not sure about what the gravy ingredients developed into after the industrial revolution brought common hydrogenated fats into the mainstream equation. The original gravy used much of the remaining negro bath water that the chicken was fried in, along with some spices from Britain. To thicken that gravy up, Col Sanders used a special mixture of starches made from dried corn that he traded from a Cherokee medicine man in exchange for gin. Unfortunately, the medicine man died of liver cirrhosis during the latter half of the war, so the Colonel was no longer able to obtain that starch. That gravy-less period stirred certain outrage among the troops, and threatened the Colonel's reputation. He later developed his own version of the starch by using dried potatoes.

Yet a greater mystery was where he got his chickens. There was something very very special about his chickens.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Pie Eating ()
Date: June 19, 2015 07:29AM

Colonel Sanders was known to be especially fond of his West Point classmate, Colonel Angus, who has dated Colonel Sander's sister, Dixie May. Sander's sister was known throughout the South for her pie, which Colonel Angus devoured every chance his got. He was even known to flip the pie over and lick the backside of the pie, it was so good. Colonel Angus convinced Dixie May to reduce the fluffy topping on her pie, so it was just a narrow strip down the middle. Colonel Sanders would often see Colonel Angus leaving the Sanders plantation, licking his fingers, and thus the term "Finger Lickin' Good" came to be.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: THe KFC Brand ()
Date: June 19, 2015 04:05PM

The history of the famous KFC bucket has too often gone ignored. People forget that for the first 5 years of Col. Sanders operation, his carry-out business was very unexceptional. This is largely because carry-out orders were simply tossed into a paper bag. Three piece, 8 piece, even 16 and 21 piece take-out orders were tossed into a paper bag! The effect this had threatened the entire business. More and more people wanted to dine-in, but the restaurants were small and long lines followed. Things had reached a crisis.

All that changed after, March 9, 1962. Most historians regard this date as the date the modern navy was ushered in, inasmuch as it was in the date that the two mighty iron-clad vessels, the USS Monitor and the CSS Virginia, did battle. But for Harland Sanders, it had an entirely different meaning.

Col. Sanders witnessed the battle, and was fascinated by the rotating turret atop the Monitor. 'A cylindrical tank!' he exclaimed to himself. "That's it"!
He immediately went to work on the color scheme, and by May, 1862, satisfied customers were happily hauling away their carry-out orders in a bucket!

There was, however, one final complication.John Ericcson, the man who designed the USS Monitor, casually walked into a KFC restaurant in Richmond Virginia some years after the war and became immediately incensed upon seeing the KFC buckets. After his attorney issued a cease and desist letter to Sanders, who ignored it, he instituted litigation against Sanders for patent infringement. But the lawsuit was to no avail. The Court held that Ericcson's patent was specific to its use as an operational turret, and that the patent did not embrace or extend to cover the simple geometric shape of a cylindrical tank. The KFC Bucket was safe.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: birth of the drive-thru window ()
Date: June 20, 2015 04:09AM

On a visit to J.F. Hillerich's woodworking facility to explore a marketing campaign with the nascent Louisville Slugger, Sanders took the longer scenic route on a carriageway through Louisville's new park system. Some say his love of the outdoors was topped only by his love for his famous chicken recipe.

The city's new parks and carriageways were designed by the esteemed Frederick Law Olmsted, the country's leading landscape architect after the War Between the States. Sanders marveled at how the carriageways were separated from the pedestrian pathways by bridges and ramps--this was very futuristic and efficient--and wondered if this idea could translate to his business model of the mass distribution of fried chicken parts to growing legions of impatient, hungry white workers of all social strata and their families.

Inspired, later that evening he piled up the food on his dinner plate, using the uneaten mashed potatoes and cornmeal for a bonding agent, to build a scale model of the fried chicken food stand of the future with a "drive-thru," a term he coined himself. It was to be a wood-frame food stand with outhouse and iconic bucket sign, and a dedicated lane for the horse and buggy that was separate from the walk-up window.

With the now two modes of queuing up for his famous grub profits quintupled!! Despite the rise in popularity of the electric streetcar, growing private automobile sales in the following decades cemented Col. Sanders' position at the top of the fast-food, fried chicken empire. The rudimentary yet visionary architectural model from that fateful night is cryogenically frozen and on view today at the KFC museum in Corbin.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Troo story ()
Date: June 20, 2015 10:49AM

Col. Sanders and his men had to keep a fast pace to get to the Battle of Manassas in July 1861. On that particular ride, Maj. Arby caught up with him, with an exhausted horse that had foamy sweat all over it. Col. Sanders said that he knew Arby had pushed his steed hard, because it was covered in what he called 'horsey sauce'.

Arby would remember the day for the rest of his life, not only for witnessing Sanders taking on an entire regiment of Yankees with his bare hands, but also for the name that would put Arby's on the map.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: History of the bucket ()
Date: June 20, 2015 03:07PM

There is more to the story about the bucket that that delicious chicken was served in. Initially the buckets were made of tin like most other containers of the era. Col Sanders sent a spy up north to gather the latest intel on tin manufacturing. He wanted a tin bucket that was strong enough to deflect shrapnel and the lead balls fired from Union service rifles, so troops could still enjoy their chicken meals during the heat of battle.

A southern tin manufacturer initially accepted the bid to produce 500 tin buckets to Colonel Sanders' specification. It was a great success in more ways than the Colonel planned. Several of Lee's troops found these buckets did such a great job at protecting their chicken rations, that they began utilizing the buckets as helmets. Several battles were won and many southern heroes survived the war due to this new found innovation.

It doesn't stop there. These buckets eventually evolved into the cardboard containers we know of today. As they have evolved, many superstitions have come along with them. Some believe they have magical powers. Many a customer have brought their KFC orders home to find that their 8 piece order had magically multiplied into a 9 or 10 piece order.

Brian Patrick Carrol, a struggling guitarist in the late 1980's, was drunk one night during band practice. He placed an empty KFC bucket upon his head, as a joke while the band was playing a Lynard Skynard cover. He suddenly and magically knew every power chord and riff ever written and could play with each one absolute speed and precision. Within 10 years he was known as one of the best guitarists of all time and now wears the bucket on his head to every show.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Col. Sanders at Gettysburg ()
Date: June 20, 2015 03:53PM

Though it is still very hotly disputed among Civil War historians, the following is, in fact, an accurate account of Col. Sanders efforts during Pickett's Charge at Gettysburg.

Sanders was a regimental commander in Kemper's Brigade, and his regiment occupied the extreme left of his Brigade, which was on the right flank of General Garnett's Brigade. Together with Armisted's Brigade, this constituted the strength of Pickett's Division. As the attack commenced, Pickett's Division performed a series of left obliques (as depicted in the 1993 movie). However, during these movements Sanders had his regiment march too far too the left, and completely passed the soldiers from Garnett' Brigade, suddenly finding themselves interspersed with troops from Pettigrew's Division. In the ensuing confusion, Sanders ordered a halt to reorganize. When he did, Private William Fletcher, a soldier in Fry' s Brigade, famously shouted "move on cousins, you are drawing the fire our way".

Ultimately Col. Sanders was able to correct his error and continue the attack, though it was repulsed at great loss. Years later Sanders confessed that during the march forward he became distracted because he was lost in thought while carefully reviewing the Emmitsburg Road and decideding whether or not it would be a suitable location for a KFC.

There is now bristling KFC less than half a mile from where Sanders committed his tactical marching error.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Intereting cultural note ()
Date: June 20, 2015 06:59PM

birth of the drive-thru window Wrote:
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> Inspired, later that evening he piled up the food
> on his dinner plate, using the uneaten mashed
> potatoes and cornmeal for a bonding agent, to
> build a scale model of the fried chicken food
> stand of the future

Steven Spielberg paid homage to Col Sanders' use of excess mashed potatoes for model building in his epic film 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind'. When the Richard Dreyfuss character became obsessed with Devil's Tower, and began building models of it, he built his first model, while sitting at the family dinner table, out of mashed potatoes.

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Re: Colonel Sanders' Civil war Service
Posted by: Fucking niggers lie ()
Date: June 20, 2015 07:53PM

I guess all you idiots are Fairfax County public school grads.

The Civil ended in 1865.
Harland Sanders was born in 1890.
Some dumb nigger started the KFC rumors.
Smart white people shorted the stock and got rich.
Niggers kept on being niggers and are broke.

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